I went into my local GAME store the other day to pre-order PES3 on the basis that you get a playable demo (I fancied an appetiser before the main course). Unfortunately my local one doesn't do it yet. So, anyone else out there got the GAME playable demo... what do you think?

I've played it @ GAME, it played very well...balanced anyway.

The animations are great.

I only played 1 game for like 2 mins or summort, so I'll play again 2day and try and get a better idea of how it's playing. :)

You can pre order it only for ps2 or for pc too?

i don´t know nothing about a demo but i´m waiting for it:rockman:

I played 2 more games 2day it was great! VERY hard to break the defence, but it was on a default of 5 stars without changing.

The A.I is VERY clever, but I have 2 problems with this game:

- CPU players’ are amazingly accurate in front of goal!! :eek:
- Every time the CPU was going to score the game had a slight pause. :(

A very good football simulation overall.

By the way the demo teams were England VS Argentina...

Originally posted by nickclubman
- Every time the CPU was going to score the game had a slight pause. :(


i also noticed this :(

i also noticed that there is a pause every time you press to shoot......oh what a surprise, just long enough to let an AI guy run across to block the shot :rolleyes:

Nick , you know as well as anyone it takes months to get used to the newest KCET game :) Judging by the "EVERY time the cpu scored..." this year is no different :p
Personally though 4 star ML is just right for me with WE7 ML, maybe I'll bump it up to 5 once I get a star studded team together but at the mo its very challenging, 3nil defeats to celtic and liverpool consecutively.

Hopefully they'll release a demo for PC......

I can get used to the game, I DID get used to it, but the CPU just scored so easily. :eek:

EDIT: I am crap at this game, lol, but when the CPU got in front of goal it was mostly a goal every time. :( I guess I'm just sh*t, lol and that pause thingy really stops the flow of the game. I'm sure they'll fix it, I'm 100% sure of this. :rockman:

Nick.

Originally posted by culo
i also noticed this :(

i also noticed that there is a pause every time you press to shoot......oh what a surprise, just long enough to let an AI guy run across to block the shot :rolleyes:

Yer, unfortunately this is how KCET implements 5 star mode...but when you watch a premier league match the amount of blocked shots is pretty realistic.

yeah, it's not so much the fact that shots get blocked...that's realistic

it's the fact that you can have 6 or 7 yards of space, press shoot, delay delay delay, oh look, the shot got blocked...

it's just too obvious and spoils the game

I hope they release a PC demo during October or there will be some serious rioting! :f***:

Originally posted by nickclubman
Every time the CPU was going to score the game had a slight pause. :(



mm, that version is supposed to be the final, and it still stutters... that sucks :kader:

I still haven't been able to get my mitts on the playable demo of PES3 though.

The playable demo isn't supposed to be final version I don't think, but it almost is. There's about a month-month and a half until release so that should be enough time to sort out the stutters. I've played many demo's of games in the past and just about every one of them has changed between the demo and the release version.

The stuttering was the one thing I was worried about. I watched some vids of it and didn't really notice until some of you said that the game pauses when the ball crosses the line for a goal. Then I watched the video again and there it was (I just thought it was the video before). Hopefully the game will flow smoothly in the final version, it would be unprofessional to leave such a thing in a game, even one that is as good (otherwise) as the PES series. I'd still get it though. :D

Originally posted by culo
yeah, it's not so much the fact that shots get blocked...that's realistic

it's the fact that you can have 6 or 7 yards of space, press shoot, delay delay delay, oh look, the shot got blocked...

it's just too obvious and spoils the game

can't speak for WE7 but this is something that annoyed the hell out of me with PES2... you have a clear, wide open corridor in sight, you charge up and shoot and -- surprise! -- some AI defender comes out of nowhere and blocks it...

i think in PES1 it was just too easy to shoot and score so next game around they go all the way to the other end of the spectrum... ah, well, game designers...

lets see if we have a demo on october

this is so funny, i dont know if any of you go on the CM forums ever (i dont recongize any names), the same things where said before CM4 was released, we all said they would have got rid of all the problems and slowdown etc. ........ But they didnt, and THAT was also the BETA demo.

TROD.

I'll be in GAME tommorow to try out that PES3 England V Argentina competition.

Can't you also get the demo for £2?

Originally posted by TOON ARMY
I'll be in GAME tommorow to try out that PES3 England V Argentina competition.

Can't you also get the demo for £2?
Yeah. You pre-order the game for £1.99 (****, I'm sound like a Game sales rep! arghhh!!!), and they give you the demo. You take the demo home and play it as much as you like and after the match you get a code. You take that code into your Game store and that's you qualifying score for the competition.

Originally posted by TROD
this is so funny, i dont know if any of you go on the CM forums ever (i dont recongize any names), the same things where said before CM4 was released, we all said they would have got rid of all the problems and slowdown etc. ........ But they didnt, and THAT was also the BETA demo.

TROD. Hey bro,

One difference but

Si Games and Eidos is a shambles as of late.

Konami are pure class ;) :mrpimp: (H)

Originally posted by monkee
Yeah. You pre-order the game for £1.99 (****, I'm sound like a Game sales rep! arghhh!!!), and they give you the demo. You take the demo home and play it as much as you like and after the match you get a code. You take that code into your Game store and that's you qualifying score for the competition.

Yeah thats it

I went into Game today and they told me they hadn't got it in but it would be available tommorow. :kader:

I played it some more and as a FIFA fan, I can still say the gameplay is damn incredible...

Just hate that pause, it's so annoying. :kader:

Any news on a pc demo??

I got my copy of the demo today and played about 20 games and only scored twice. Iv had about 10 scoreless draws im finding it hard to break down Argentinas defence but im loving the game.
The puase before the ball hits the back of the net is hardly noticable well not on mine anyway and it only rarelly happens.
What a buz you get when u finally score a goal iv never got that from playing fifa.
At first i didnt think there was much difference between pes2 and this one but the more i play it the more i notice the changes, the pass's u can pull off r mindblowing u have total control over where the pass go's.The cross field balls iv been pinging with beckham r a football gamers dream.
Its been a long time since i played pes 2 but i know this game has
improved a lot on pes2
I didnt think football on a computer could be so good

Also u only get half a game on the demo so u dont get a lot of time to score

Originally posted by alan.wthomson
I didnt think football on a computer could be so good

u have pc demo????? or its just a mistake??

i think it's a mistake??

hes talking about the ps2 version, that was sure a mistake

Sorry i should have said console dont think there is a pc demo

correct no pc demo at least yet.

wuts the point october 17th....worth the wait...

Originally posted by ImmUniTy
Hey bro,

One difference but

Si Games and Eidos is a shambles as of late.

Konami are pure class ;) :mrpimp: (H)

hey rob, dint see you. lol

What you say is correct, Konami rarelly make bad, bugged games, and if they do theres no way back for the PS2 version (as in EP's).

I played the Demo in game on Friday, i was well impressed, played two games before i went (they started giving me dodgy looks, were gonna throw me out i presume). Played very well, a little slowdown but im sure that will be corrected.

The defence was very hard to breakdown but with a few slick passes and some long ones from Beckham, Owen got a few.

Very impressed.

TROD.

I got the demo yesterday and have played about 10 games.

In no particular order are my first thoughts on it.

Far more detail in the faces, big chunky legs like fifa.

Subtle animation changes are fantastic. Movement is far less blocky than before and little touches and extra player movements are excellent.

More colourful, not half b&w like before.

Your player doesn't freeze during CPU throw ins, which always bugged me.

Players seems larger in relation to the pitch size. in PES2 the pitch was too big, now it's a little too far the other way, but better.

Sliding tackles result in more free kicks conceded.

During play, a dirty tackle results in a yellow card (which flashes up) whilst not breaking play. Would be better if after the play, the ref actually showed the card (which doesn't happen). Better than PES2 where foul went unpunished though.

Crowd is improved, thought not perfect.

The commentary . . . well Konami have learned nothing here I'm afraid.

The 50/50 tussles are more realistic and more hard fought.

Fast players don't run off into the distance, like PES1, and don't really get away from the player, like PES2, instead, pace is far less a factor. No more Rebrov and Shevchenco "pace only" goals anymore.

Yeah, it stutters as a shot is taken. My guess is that it's audio related and will be ironed out. It's too buggy a bug to be left in.

Where this game (engine-wise) wins over PES2 is that the little bitty, scrappy, bobbly, messy plays are more a part of the game and you feel that you have to fight for EVERYTHING.

I didn't score until game 8 or something; it's much harder to break them down. Its harder to get a chance also.

The weakers players will find it harder (but, the demo is only on 5 star, so that could change) in a 5 star PES2 to 5 star PES3 comparison.

Better players will find it more demanding but ultimately more rewarding.

It's all in the subtle changes, that I can best describe as "finer play resolution".

An improvement for sure.

I think the demo works on NTSC.

I don't have NTSC to test, but on entry is says which system do you wish to use, andd it performs a test.

I was able to play on either.I have a cheese box and it may allow NTSC, or NTSC doesn't work and the menu is misleading.

If I had NTSC and wanted PES3, I'd risk trying to get hold of it, but then you probably have Winning Eleven anyway and don't care.

Thought I'd mention it.

Also, to add, I've just been fiddling with a few moves deliberately to see how they play.

It's possible to shake off a defender by turning and turning until you shake him off.

Best of all, you can run in front of a defender, even though he can catch you, he fails to get the ball and does that stumbling thing, but, DOESN'T foul you (not every time anyway, and they often get booked when they do). Like every time you get away in PES2 and then get hacked from behind just as you were about to shoot. How many thousands of times has that wound me up.

Headers seem more fair and evenly fought, rather than first there first served.

Crowd sounds are better but the mixing is awful. If your team misses, you get the "oooh"s, then screams turn into whistles, then their goalie passes to a defender, then its like a ghost town, then your fans scream like mad again when you get the ball. Hmmm. Hopefully that'll be fixed.

A great feature of the improved animations is that your defender makes little stabs at the ball. Feet and legs respond better to play, which makes for greater realism.

You can play same player (i.e. Michael Owen) all game. A bit like two (human) player, same team, except you can do it by yourself.

The ball is lobbed too high during normal play. Long passes are lofted into the clouds a little (a bit fifa).

All four "special play" buttons can be used, rather than the three (and one auto) in PES2. All four icons are shown on screen

When your player fails a tackle, he is able to respond quickly, and doesn't look lost for 10 seconds first.

Sliding is more effective when intercepting a pass.

The worst thing, and I hope this is ironed out, is that once your player has sprinted the first few paces, he has feet of clay, which makes dashing off quite hard. Space is found by "shaking off" the marker rather than running away.

Anyway, hope that helps. I may not actually go back to PES2 (at least for a long while), I'm just going to play the demo for a bit, I think.

More more football like.

I managed to get my hands on the playable demo last night. My biggest worry is that I will play the demo so much that the buzz you get from playing the real game the first time will be gone. With that in mind I've resolved to play the demo as little as possible, if I play it at all between now and the official release.

But the game plays well and is a lot more challenging than PES2. I've probably played 20 games with 1 win. Starting off I scored a goal in my 2nd game and it was a scrappy goal to say the least. Then I didn't score again until game 20 and 2 came along resulting in my only win (2-1). :D The shots look a lot more realistic.

The animation flows fantastically especially in transition between moves and the player likenesses have been improved a lot too.

The cpu's defending has much improved making it much harder to fashion good shooting opportunities and you feel a great sense of achievement when you finally do break through and get a goal.

Crowd noise. Brilliant. In my first game I played it through the animations at the start and you could hear the announcer talking (announcing the game's beginning I presume as the crowd starts to kick-up). You see the players chatting and fidgeting in the tunnel. Out comes the flags, followed by the players. A huge roar goes up at their enterance. Quite a realistic sound imo.

The crowd effects in the first game after the entrance scene were very good. When you went to 'go to next match' after finishing the game though you didn't get the entrance scene and the crowd went silent quickly after a big fuss.

2 gripes. Occasional slowdown, not really noticable though. Momentary pause when the ball crosses the goal line. It's not really a problem but is like a scratch on an otherwise polished surface. They should take this out of the final version though (hopefully). Still a great game despite these 2 things as they don't effect it's playability.

During play, a dirty tackle results in a yellow card (which flashes up) whilst not breaking play. Would be better if after the play, the ref actually showed the card (which doesn't happen). Better than PES2 where foul went unpunished though.

That's not a booking, that is the ref showing the advantage being played.

I've restrained myself from getting the demo as i don't want to know what to expect when i get the game itself.

There is one thing i will ask, i know the demo is between England and Argentina so do you hear the England fans chanting like they do in real life? and which footy ground is used in the demo?

There is one thing i will ask, i know the demo is between England and Argentina so do you hear the England fans chanting like they do in real life? and which footy ground is used in the demo?

. . . er that's two things.

Instead of hearing "III-UUU, III-UUU", it sounds more like "Eng-land, Eng-land". Much clearer.

The stadium is "Red Cauldron" (I know, sad) which one can only assume is Old Trafford.

The crowd sounds quite realistic on the first play but can go very quiet after that if you choose to 'play the next match' after completing it. You hear them chanting Eng-land, like they do in real life as John said (you will be quite impressed at the difference in the crowd from PES2 - PES3)

As for the stadium it is, in fact, Anfield. I haven't been to Anfield mind but I think it is from the square commentary box in the corner of the ground (it looks nothing like OT :) ), and on one of the Union Jacks in a different corner I noticed it said 'You'll Never Walk Alone'.

OK thanks (Y)

Role on the 17th

To clarify: are you guys saying this demo may be NTSC compatible and that we poor saps in the U.S. might be able to play on non-modded PS2s?????

As anyone in the U.S. ordered the demo and verified this?

I run my PS2 through a cheese-box (VGA to PAL converter) and into my PC monitor, so my test may not be perfect.

My Demo, on boot up of game, says before anything else;

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Current Video Mode : PAL 50Hz

- Start Game
- Test NTSC (60Hz)
- Set Video Mode to NTSC (60Hz)
- Set Video Mode to PAL (50Hz)
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I've done the test on all options and they work.

My cheese-box can probably handle NTSC so it COULD be working on NTSC. The only other option is that the menu option is misleading, which I doubt.

It says "Demo Only - Not for resale" in about 15 different Euro languages. Some of these guys must use NTSC.

I'd risk it.

Anyone know how Americans can get a copy of this demo?

Video Mode and Region Coding are two different things. ;)

Even if the demo/full game can run in the NTSC mode, doesn't mean the discs has the necessary boot code to boot on a U.S./anyother system. (100% sure it doesn't) :crazyboy:

yeah, you're right Jumbo. Very, very likely ain't gonna work on U.S. systems. No big deal, but would have been worth the few bucks to get the demo and kick the tires a bit.