Both are briliant....
But who is ur choice?

I haven't seen Kaka yet.

haha.. been waiting for this comparison.. i think i'll keep quiet first.. wait for people's oppinions :)

Hook me up with some Kaka vids Shevy. (H)

got msn? add me at jani_rul3z@hotmail. com

and the vid on ur avatar sure is weird.. haha.. who was throwing who?

Kaká

Kaká!! (H)

come on dudes.. give ur reasons!

I chose Kaká cos Cristiano plays for a crap club. Happy now? :rolleyes:

good reason JJ.. haha..

kaka, simply cus he's impressed me more.

Kaka. Even though his name means crap, he plays the exact opposite. Ronaldo is a good show and all, but lacks substance. Kaka entertains and gets the job done. We know Ronaldo wasnt getting the job done because he is not starting.

Just put it this way. Kaka has been hailed as Brazil's golden boy of his generation. This kid's not chopped liver folks.

I dont think Ronaldo's not starting because he aint good.. I think Fergie wants to lessen the hype.. That kind of publicity is never good for a player..

how about qaresma ricardo who plays for barcelona?

Ok well they are all good young players but i choose kaka over ronaldo becuz well hes the better player as simple as that. I mean they guy can do everything EVEN SCORE which ronaldo has failed to do. I havent seen kaka played in the serie A but i seen highlights and well hes superb. Ronaldo show off too much and goes down too easy like a little p*ssy, i mean theres nothing wrong with showing off but if you score and set goals up while showing off then thats even better for you but ronaldo cant do that. And its a shame im calling this kid ronaldo too lol:kader:. Also, that quaresma guy its good too, great dribbler i rather watch him play than kaka and christiano becuz he got moves and great entertainer if your into that kinda stuff like me. But kaka is a better all round player than all of them.

Diego is also better than christiano ronaldo

i say Quaresma over both
better rounded

Ronaldo, of course :) .

Kaka, because he's not a diver, because he knows when to pass and when to dribble, because he plays for the team not for himself, and because he's a better all round player.

Dont forget Ronaldo is a few months into 18 years old, Kaka is older

that last statement looks like its aimed at someone else.. hurm.. who..? :crazyboy:

ronaldo to me is way better :p he s faster and does great ive seen kaka but hes not that great plus ronaldo is only 18 right now kaka is 20+ this is a pretty dumb comparison i prefer also many other young brazilians more than kaka like diego,robinho,adriano etc.

also most of you have never seen cristiano ronaldo play only a few times for manchester united.Also most of you hate manchester thats why you hate cristiano ronaldo. To me Quaresma is better than any of those young players hes a great midfielder, used to love watching him play for sporting, hes good at free kicks, he passes the ball great and smart, he has great moves and a lot of speed and also got a great shot. But i dont know why you can compare cristiano ronaldo to kaka when cristiano ronaldo gets to be kaka's age right now, he will be a smarter and player and most likely better than kaka.

isn't kaka a good three years or so older than ronaldo? i dunno if you can really compare the two. and to say that ronaldo isn't as good because he's not starting or isn't getting the job done...well that's because ferguson's watching out for the youngster and making sure he gets broken into slowly.

Originally posted by bbranco10
also most of you have never seen cristiano ronaldo play only a few times for manchester united.Also most of you hate manchester thats why you hate cristiano ronaldo.

Its also the same situation with you, you have prolly never seen Kaká play at all or either you hate Milan and I dont blame you for the last one but, ur Portuguese.. Of course u'll say ur player is better than a Brazillian! :)

I dont hate Cristiano Ronaldo, and who knows that he will be better than Kaka when he hits he's earlier 20's? He might become a superstar or a flop, Kaka is a self established players and is a super star already. I think it would be better to compare C. Ronaldo to Diego.

well hey most of have either seen one player a lot and not seen the other that much or vice versa but we can agree that they are going to be 2 great players.

I chose Kaka as well... already scored his 1st goal in the most defensive league in the world, and has been cracking defences since week 1... well almost all defences :confused: (H)

is it safe to say that milan/brazil fans will say kaka is better and united/portugal fans will say ronaldo is better?

you took the words right outta my mouth..

I'm not saying Ronaldo's a bad player... he's amazing as well, but when it comes to what each have accomplished, it's pretty obvious Kaka's better... replacing Rui Costa isnt exactly an easy task, and he's done it with flying colours

and about Ronaldo... who's he on the bench for? Darren Fletcher? :|

Originally posted by JJ
I chose Kaká cos Cristiano plays for a crap club. Happy now? :rolleyes:
Uh Huh. If Man Utd are crap then Liverpool must be reeeal low. Anyways, I say Kaka DUH! Kaka is a more established player than Ronaldo. I mean, it's really a dumbass comparison to make. Ronaldo is just a promising teen who can turn good or go bad. Kaka is already a professional poised player.

I could really give a flying monkeys who is better, comparing someone in his late teens with an established superstar is wrong.

Kaka Is world class, but neither players deserve a vote due to the age difference.

Filling Rui Costa's boots is nothing compared to filling David Beckham's boots.

Ronaldo will have just as much pressure than Kaka.

If anyones going to do another Kaka/Ronaldo thread, you might aswell just do a "Ronaldo or Cristiano Ronaldo" thread. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by shokz
Filling Rui Costa's boots is nothing compared to filling David Beckham's boots.

Ronaldo will have just as much pressure than Kaka.

You might aswell just do a "Ronaldo or Cristiano Ronaldo thread. :rolleyes:


very well said

do they even playthe same position?

At the moment Kaka is the better player, but who knows in a few years Christiano could be one of the best players in the world.

Ronaldo is definitly better, but there's another player that is even better...RICARDO QUARESMA from FC Barcelona. He's the future nº1 of the WORLD:rockman:

Taking everything into consideration including their ages, Ronaldo. Yea yea, Kaka CAN be good, but I've really only seen him do well against Inter, aside from that he's been sub-par to his team-mates, IMO.

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
Taking everything into consideration including their ages, Ronaldo. Who would have expected that :crazyboy:

IMO currently Kaka is the better player out of the 2, this guy is fantastic, can pass, cross, shoot the whole shaBANG... Cristiano can also do it all, except he hasn't really been scoring... IMO who knows? Cristiano Ronaldo might be an even better player by the time he reaches his 20's, he is still young and inexperienced.... though currently Kaka rulez:rockman:

i dunno why everyone's hating on ronaldo not having scored yet. it's only been like eight games or so into the season and it's not like he's out there starting and playing the whole 90 minutes.

anyways, give ronaldo some time and let him settle in. kaka seems to have done that with milan so far. but i think this is an unjust comparison between the two players.

Ronaldo is younger than Kaka. the brazilian is better but i think ronaldo will have a brighter future.

Kaka, as of now, is an all-around better footballer. He was incredible for Brazil during the Gold Cup in the summer and he already scored for Brazil when they beat Colombia 2-1 I believe. But of course, you have to take into consideration that Cristiano is younger. Kaka is better right now. Down the road, who knows.

Kaka because he has allready shown results with goals and assists. Ronaldo has only won a penalty with a dive. :D

Definetely Kaka.

Kaka is brilliant.

I can't believe so many Man U. fans voted Ronaldo. You know Kaka is better why you vote Ronaldo? To make your club look good?

he actually won a penalty in the 1st game he played with united. And has already made good crosses that United players missed (I remember one was a scandalous miss by solsjkaer I think)

like what someone said earlier, the better comparison is between kaka and quaresma.

almost everyone on this thead has said Kaka , yet the votes tally up as 18 to 16 in favor of Kaka...wtf ?


dumbass manU fans :nape:

I have no idea who said Kaka and voted for Ronaldo, but I will go with Portugal fans here and say Ronaldo. Again i didn't see much of Kaka, because i don't want to pay extra 10 dollars a month, just to watch italian league. I heard that he is good and i saw some pretty good assists by him, but i go with Ronaldo, because he is younger, already more known than Kaka, people say he goes down too easy, well would you not try to foul an 18 year old kid, so diggs past you infront of thousands of people, not only once? Plus Ronaldo may be not that great passer, but it's for now and for me he is great, because i have never in my life so a United player with such dribbling skills. Let United win the game, with Scholes and Ruud combining and for Ronaldo, all he needs to do is just dribbles past defenders a couple of times, with his stepovers and that will be enough to keep me happy all week. I mean sure United do score beautiful goals, but Ronaldo's dribbles alone make the game WAY more interesting. Like that Charlton game that would suck without him.

So i got no choice but to go with Ronaldo.

Kaka is SO MUCH BETTER.
Cristiano is only popular because he's the only player in the premiership who can step over dribble successfully...cristiano has not impressed me at all....
KaKa is older, maybe thats why he's better...but theres no doubt...Kaka is the next big thing. He impresses in Italy, he's starting over Rivaldo (maybe thats not saying much) and Rui Costa..
He's the man!
sometimes he gets a little ball hog crazy....but when he doesnt, he's sweet....
he's the next Ronaldinho, for sure!....

Kaka is alot better and established. He knows when to pass and when to dribble. Not taking anything away from Ronaldo but he is in-experienced and a bit silly sometimes. Both are great players but i would say Kaka is a bit better:)

Right now Kaka is definitely better. (Y)

Originally posted by IceBlu
almost everyone on this thead has said Kaka , yet the votes tally up as 18 to 16 in favor of Kaka...wtf ?


dumbass manU fans :nape:
Did some of you guys ever consider that not everyone who vote post in the thread? :| Please think about that before unleashing your venom people.;)

how can Help? say that Ronaldo has shown more than Kaká?? Almost everyone in this thread who chose Kaká would give the reason that maybe its because he is older is more extablished.. But I wonder how people say this too.. Extablished? This is his first season in Europe.. And he's cracking the though Serie A defences.. Totti said this : "Kaká plays with excellent simplicity thus being very effective".. Ronaldo, on the other hand is the total opposite.. But I haf to agree with some saying that Ronaldo will be a star in the future.. Yea, he will.. But with 3 years age difference to Kaká, by the time both of them are at their peaks, it would be simpler to compare them.. And I still think Kaká would triumph over Ronaldo again :)

at the moment...kaka gets my vote.... ronaldo just played senior football last season compared to kaka..so this debate is not really appropriate...

KAKA, Ronaldo is a show - off, :kader: thinks he is the best, can't even get a starting position

He can't get a 'starting position' because he's 18 you tool. He cant play every game or else he'll be burnt. Give the guy a freakin break for freaks sake. Was Zidane lighting up the footballing world at 18????:rolleyes: Almost every thread involving a Man Utd player just invites some kind of negative feedback and it's annoying. And he can afford to show off because he has the talent to show. I'd much rather someone who can dribble past defenders rather than face one, do some half arsed jiggle, then have to turn and get forced back under pressure. If ya'll wanna hate him fine, but he's making and will make more money than you'll ever make, he's getting more girls than you'll ever get and he's more talented than you'll ever be so boo...

Originally posted by manufan
Almost every thread involving a Man Utd player just invites some kind of negative feedback and it's annoying.

this guy's negative in general, so you might as well ignore him.

Originally posted by manufan
If ya'll wanna hate him fine, but he's making and will make more money than you'll ever make, he's getting more girls than you'll ever get and he's more talented than you'll ever be so boo... That may apply to most people here, but I guarantee you, im not one of those people.

Originally posted by PScott
That may apply to most people here, but I guarantee you, im not one of those people.


Well you know we gotta doubt that when you got 770ish posts in this forum in only a few months, wouldnt you have anything better to do ;)

i feel that :crazyboy:

I think both players have everything to prove. I've seen hundreds of young players doing a good season and then fade away to oblivion. The difference between the Zidane's, Roberto Carlos' and Figo's and these two kids is that the vets have been there for years and years.
Their consistency makes them world class. Ronaldo has been impressive last season and now with ManU at times, Kaka has had some great games this season too, but that means almost nothing to me.
We'll talk again once they battled through a couple season at the highest level, faced serious opposition on a regular basis and, above all, been tested under huge pressure in a major tournament final stage.

Originally posted by INFESTA
I think both players have everything to prove. I've seen hundreds of young players doing a good season and then fade away to oblivion. The difference between the Zidane's, Roberto Carlos' and Figo's and these two kids is that the vets have been there for years and years.
Their consistency makes them world class. Ronaldo has been impressive last season and now with ManU at times, Kaka has had some great games this season too, but that means almost nothing to me.
We'll talk again once they battled through a couple season at the highest level, faced serious opposition on a regular basis and, above all, been tested under huge pressure in a major tournament final stage.

I agree with you...when i lived in Venezuela i saw a lots of Brazilains games, and Káká made great games, and others not so great. C. Ronaldo , i think plays in a diferent position, he's a winger, not an attacking midefielder. They are both great players, but C.Ronaldo has better chances because he plays in a League taht is better for creative players, while Italian League is more deffensive-like, that can kill Káká progression as a soccer player:rolleyes:

Originally posted by IceBlu
almost everyone on this thead has said Kaka , yet the votes tally up as 18 to 16 in favor of Kaka...wtf ?


dumbass manU fans :nape:

I have not even voted, neither deserve the vote.:sleep:

Originally posted by northstar
Kaka because he has allready shown results with goals and assists. Ronaldo has only won a penalty with a dive. :D
You sire are a ****ing moron. When someone TUGS your shirt and you fall it's called a penalty not a dive you dip****. And I suppose ****ing stumping some of the best defenders in the English league is nothing? Setting up possibly the only beautiful crosses I've seen happen during the English league is nothing? Kaka has done NOTHING since he came to Milan, and no one can honestly say different he only did well in the Inter match. And he only has to replace Rui Costa, and I say only, because Rui Costa is already 30, and at a team like Milan it's only time before he goes, and Kaka gets the spot regardless, and as you've seen with Ronaldo he will actually need to battle for his position.

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
Kaka has done NOTHING since he came to Milan, and no one can honestly say different he only did well in the Inter match. And he only has to replace Rui Costa, and I say only, because Rui Costa is already 30, and at a team like Milan it's only time before he goes, and Kaka gets the spot regardless, and as you've seen with Ronaldo he will actually need to battle for his position.

WTF are you on about?? Kaká has done nothing? Did you watch him againts Ancona? Ajax? Or even the Inter match??? Okay, I agree that age is a factor but you are not dissing Kaká based on valid reasons.. Come on man.. You are very, very biased.. You are Portuguese, I know.. So you should know Rui Costa.. You think replacing him is easy? You know how he just glides past defenders? Someone who benches BOTH Rui Costa AND Rivaldo is not some ordinary player.. You can defend C.Ronaldo but saying Kaká has done nothing for Milan is just.. Whatever..

You both are biased. :p

Biased? I didnt say I dont like C.Ronaldo.. I didnt say anything bad about him.. I just like Kaká more.. :)

Currently I prefer Kaká I think he is amazing but Cristiano is still young and can improve so its a hard decision, but right now I would stay with Kaká

I think both of them should't be compared... i mean they play in different positions you know ? It's like comparing Figo to Rui Costa !... I admit Kaka has a better passing ( not crossing ) ability, though Ronaldo is a better dribbler, but their abilities are diferent, that's why they play in diferent positions. And i'm not even talking about their age... BTW i think Shevchenko-[7] is not being biased...

Cristiano ronaldo can beat kaka on one on one lol. he would just fly by him.:rockman:

Ronaldo has a greater burdon by being the long-term replacement for Becks who has moved on.... Kaka is just replacing someone who is still there and strong.... and positions do vary.... you dun expect wingers to score more goals than attacking mids...... and maybe, im a little bit biased to say that italian football is miles slower than epl....which is the most entertaining league.... italian serie a bores me to sleep....:sleep:

Originally posted by fifafanv1
Ronaldo has a greater burdon by being the long-term replacement for Becks who has moved on.... Kaka is just replacing someone who is still there and strong.... and positions do vary.... you dun expect wingers to score more goals than attacking mids...... and maybe, im a little bit biased to say that italian football is miles slower than epl....which is the most entertaining league.... italian serie a bores me to sleep....:sleep:

your comments bore me to sleep.... :sleep:

Originally posted by fifafanv1
im a little bit biased to say that italian football is miles slower than epl....which is the most entertaining league.... italian serie a bores me to sleep....:sleep:
Yeah right...the Spanish league is much more entertaining

Originally posted by Shevchenko-[7]
how can Help? say that Ronaldo has shown more than Kaká?? Almost everyone in this thread who chose Kaká would give the reason that maybe its because he is older is more extablished.. But I wonder how people say this too.. Extablished? This is his first season in Europe.. And he's cracking the though Serie A defences.. Totti said this : "Kaká plays with excellent simplicity thus being very effective".. Ronaldo, on the other hand is the total opposite.. But I haf to agree with some saying that Ronaldo will be a star in the future.. Yea, he will.. But with 3 years age difference to Kaká, by the time both of them are at their peaks, it would be simpler to compare them.. And I still think Kaká would triumph over Ronaldo again :)
I didn't. I said that i have seen more from Ronaldo, then from Kaka, because i can't watch italian league, so i only see his assists and goals. Read my post again.

So we can all agree that it is not fair to compare Kaka and Ronaldo so here we go

Diego vs. Ronaldo
Quaresma vs. Kaka

BTW who ever said that Ronaldo is faster than Kaka didn't really watch the Gold Cup.

Quaresma is a winger too right?

I SAID RONALDO IS FASTER THAN KAKA AND HE IS!!!!! lol

KAKA is a superstar while C.Ronaldo is a diver and a tw*t who plays for one of the dumbest club in the world

I totally agree with the last part.. haha

Originally posted by senght
KAKA is a superstar while C.Ronaldo is a diver and a tw*t who plays for one of the dumbest club in the world

:rolleyes: * sigh *

Ignore it, its called jealousy, only because Man United can pay for a new stadium if they needed one without putting themselves hundreds of millions in debt.

For me....they both are good....but if i'm asked to choose, i'll say kaka. Ronaldo is a great player and have briliant skills but he is not mature and he have to built some weight so he will not fall down easily and some og the *ARSEs* say he is diving....
No comments for Kaka, he is perfect!:)

Originally posted by senght
KAKA is a superstar while C.Ronaldo is a diver and a tw*t who plays for one of the dumbest club in the world
The average age on these forums must be 12 years. Well let me explain something to you sunshine. Man Utd are the dumbest club. So dumb, that they won more European titles than Arsenal, won more premiership titles than arsenal. Beat Arsenal more times. Have a bigger and better stadium than Arsenal. Have more money than Arsenal. Have a bigger fanbase than Arsenal. Are classier than Arsenal, who were happy to scrunt for a draw at old trafford may I add. So can it.

damn MU are dumb!

Originally posted by Shevchenko-[7]
damn MU are dumb!
Of course, AC Milan are dumber at the moment.;)

Originally posted by Shevchenko-[7]
damn MU are dumb!

Oh...didn't u know ManUtd is a club and have no brain and u say it is dumb.....err....may i know who is dumb here...?:rolleyes:

Try to have a moral attitude called R.E.S.P.E.C.T
I do respect other club, *dumb*!!!

fu(k you! you must be even dumber! :kader:

Someone comes here and say anything bad about C. Ronaldo and the portuguese (no offense of course) gets all cracked up and pissed off. No need to that. And what Ronaldo did? He got a penalty, and give me the % of his beautiful crosses that turned into goals. Kaka played well against Ancona, and the 2nd goal was made by him in like 80%. He played pretty well all games except for the Perugia one IMHO, against Ajax he played good football, Milan looks faster with him. Against Lecce he made a assist to Rui costa, whom hit the post and later Milan scored in the same play. He put Maldini one on one with the keeper and again he didnt score, and he made an assist to Tomasson who scored Milan's 3rd goal. Against Inter Milan he scored one and suffered the foul for the 1st goal. I'm backing up my opinions Hugo Viana, how Kaka didnt do nothing? He's done more for Milan than C. Ronaldo could ever dream of. You should back up ours too, and i'm not biased, i'm just a Milan fan who watched 90% of their games this season. I also watch EPL highlights and i know that C. Ronaldo is a good footballer, but all i saw was good dribbling, beautiful crosses (and most of them werent converted into goals, i can cross, and i can cross beautifully but if someone doesnt score, either it means they cant score because they're crap or they cant score because the beautiful cross was only "beautiful and not effective) and a penalty, that IMHO opinion was a dive. Dont need to get pissed off, and dont come here telling me that it wasnt a dive, you wont change my opinion about it being a dive or not.;)

excellent post grunger!

Thanx.;)

Originally posted by Grunger0x
Someone comes here and say anything bad about C. Ronaldo and the portuguese (no offense of course) gets all cracked up and pissed off. No need to that.

Well hey your brazilian and youre saying all this crap about kaka. Also Ronaldo is a winger and kaka plays in the middle. Kaka has a better chance of scoring. Also if you think Ronaldo dives so much watch some of those games over again. Every defender doesnt want to get emberassed by am 18 year old so they foul him.(H)

I didnt say he dives. I said i think the penalty he got against Stuttgart was a dive. And i didnt get pissed off at no one, im just stating the truth, if i thought C. Ronaldo was better than Kaka i would've said that.;) I'm sure he's hunt down by defenders, like Kaka is. Kaka can play as a winger, and C. Ronaldo can play as a AMC.

Originally posted by Grunger0x
Someone comes here and say anything bad about C. Ronaldo and the portuguese (no offense of course) gets all cracked up and pissed off. No need to that. And what Ronaldo did? He got a penalty, and give me the % of his beautiful crosses that turned into goals. Kaka played well against Ancona, and the 2nd goal was made by him in like 80%. He played pretty well all games except for the Perugia one IMHO, against Ajax he played good football, Milan looks faster with him. Against Lecce he made a assist to Rui costa, whom hit the post and later Milan scored in the same play. He put Maldini one on one with the keeper and again he didnt score, and he made an assist to Tomasson who scored Milan's 3rd goal. Against Inter Milan he scored one and suffered the foul for the 1st goal. I'm backing up my opinions Hugo Viana, how Kaka didnt do nothing? He's done more for Milan than C. Ronaldo could ever dream of. You should back up ours too, and i'm not biased, i'm just a Milan fan who watched 90% of their games this season. I also watch EPL highlights and i know that C. Ronaldo is a good footballer, but all i saw was good dribbling, beautiful crosses (and most of them werent converted into goals, i can cross, and i can cross beautifully but if someone doesnt score, either it means they cant score because they're crap or they cant score because the beautiful cross was only "beautiful and not effective) and a penalty, that IMHO opinion was a dive. Dont need to get pissed off, and dont come here telling me that it wasnt a dive, you wont change my opinion about it being a dive or not.;)
LOL, bro that was the stupidest post I've seen in this thread...:)
BTW: saying Kaka has done everything for Milan you could dream of is almost an insult to past Milan players, and even current Milan players. And besides, it's funny how you don't mention that Ronaldo played good against Bolton and Arsenal, which are 2 tough fixtures, my god, you say Kaka did good against Lecce? Someone call Pele and tell him Kaka is better. Christ, single-handedly the dumbest comments of this thread. Scoring doesn't make the player, unless you're a little fat ass Brazilian fart with a big forehead. Besides Ronaldo's job is to support goals, he'll score them when he damn wants them to. But of course you forgot to mention Man U's "Pass it to Nistel" strategy, haven't you? When you've actually seen Ronaldo play come back and talk ****, till then jerk off to the picture of Kaka's unibrow on top of your computer.

Originally posted by Grunger0x
I didnt say he dives. I said i think the penalty he got against Stuttgart was a dive. And i didnt get pissed off at no one, im just stating the truth, if i thought C. Ronaldo was better than Kaka i would've said that.;) I'm sure he's hunt down by defenders, like Kaka is. Kaka can play as a winger, and C. Ronaldo can play as a AMC.
What are you smoking? Ronaldo has NEVER in his career played as an AMC not even back at SCP...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Shevchenko-[7]
WTF are you on about?? Kaká has done nothing? Did you watch him againts Ancona? Ajax? Or even the Inter match??? Okay, I agree that age is a factor but you are not dissing Kaká based on valid reasons.. Come on man.. You are very, very biased.. You are Portuguese, I know.. So you should know Rui Costa.. You think replacing him is easy? You know how he just glides past defenders? Someone who benches BOTH Rui Costa AND Rivaldo is not some ordinary player.. You can defend C.Ronaldo but saying Kaká has done nothing for Milan is just.. Whatever..
When has he benched Rui Costa then tough guy? He did **** all against Ajax, **** ****ING ALL, against Ajax, he sucked like a 2 dollar whore. But go on and tell me more about how Ronaldo has done nothing for Man U, he's had better games then Kaka, and even more of them. And also Rivaldo can't be benched he was benched the minute he came to Milan you douchebag.

I guess we're just going to have to wait till Athena 2004 or when milan plays againt manu.

I say Kaka did more for Milan than C. Ronaldo could ever dream of doing for Man Utd. It was what i meant. About the AMC comment forget about that, i was just saying that thinking about CM, just forget about that. And Kaka didnt do good against Lecce? He made 3 assists in that game, the problem is that only one was converted, but he put his team mates in front of the goal 3 times. Kaka isnt better than Pele and will never be. Also, i didnt say that scoring make the player, i said that the goal he scored just proves that he had done something for Milan, and you just stated the opposite of it. Bolton are tough fixtures? Oh my goodness they're facing relegation, Man Utd played home and C. Ronaldo came in when United was winning comfortably 2-0, and he did quite well, some nice dribbling, stepovers and the likes. But that was against Bolton. Against Arsenal he did well, sometimes he made the gunners defenders look silly, but the game ended 0-0 and apart from his dribbling and passing, what did he do to change the scoresheet (and i dont mean goals). And after the jerk off to Kaka comment, i dont feel the need to continue this argument, you have no right to say about my post being dumb or not after writing shít like that. Good night. I dont feel this comparison is quite right too, Kaka is older and doesnt play in the same position as C. Ronaldo.

lol, you make me laugh, are you a comedian my silly little brazileiro friend? If the shoe fits eh? lol

If Nistelerooy can't get a goal, that's automatically Ronaldo's fault? Stop following football now... go and join andrew, just do it right now. You said that because Ronaldo didn't score that he didn't do squat at Man U, is what you said, it's funny how you Brazilians can contradict yourselves so confidently. :)

I dont remember saying he didnt do squat. I remember saying that he's a good dribbler and crosser, that his crosses werent converted into goals (which CAN be his fault, OR NOT) and that Kaka has done more to Milan than him.

Originally posted by Grunger0x
I dont remember saying he didnt do squat. I remember saying that he's a good dribbler and crosser, that his crosses werent converted into goals (which CAN be his fault, OR NOT) and that Kaka has done more to Milan than him.
Wow now you're turning your vows of discredit into vague little statements, nice one!
:)

Calm down, Hugo-45-Viana. Grunger0x was just stating his thoughts in a correct manner. If you don't agree, fair enough, but don't use the offensive language. If you can't help the rude manners, then SHUT UP! :kader:

Oh, and he's right on most of what he said. Still, I stay with what I said: both kids have still a lot to show, bcs half a season means nothing compared to greats like Zizou, Figo or R. Carlos...

Originally posted by INFESTA
Calm down, Hugo-45-Viana. Grunger0x was just stating his thoughts in a correct manner. If you don't agree, fair enough, but don't use the offensive language. If you can't help the rude manners, then SHUT UP! :kader:

Exactly.. Using offensive language for no real reason.. We are talking about football here.. And everyone has their opinions, but I dont remember calling you names or nothing..

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
Wow now you're turning your vows of discredit into vague little statements, nice one!
:)
What vague little statements? The one were i said Kaka did more for Milan than C. Ronaldo did for Man Utd? Saying that one player did more than another one doesnt mean that the another one didnt do anything at all. You should stop following football, not me, i'm not a comedian and i try to back up my points, you come here, tell me to jerk off to Kaka, tell me i'm a comedian and says something without proving it, i mean, you look pretty pissed off in your comments just because we're having an valid argument about who's better, just calm down. Next time you can try to argue, not to offend other people, you look like a 12 year old kid sometimes dude.

Originally posted by Grunger0x
What vague little statements? The one were i said Kaka did more for Milan than C. Ronaldo did for Man Utd? Saying that one player did more than another one doesnt mean that the another one didnt do anything at all. You should stop following football, not me, i'm not a comedian and i try to back up my points, you come here, tell me to jerk off to Kaka, tell me i'm a comedian and says something without proving it, i mean, you look pretty pissed off in your comments just because we're having an valid argument about who's better, just calm down. Next time you can try to argue, not to offend other people, you look like a 12 year old kid sometimes dude.
Hmn, last time I checked something along the lines of "Can be his fault(OR NOT!!!)" was vague, if that isn't considered vague in your opinion, please slap yourself. You make it seem like you've never watched him play. "Yeah you know the problem with this dude is that when he does this it might be his fault," it's like arguing about something you made up. When was I pissed btw? :rolleyes:

And of course Kaka has done more for Milan than Ronaldo, Ronaldo plays for MANCHESTER!:rolleyes: But, honestly JUST Ronaldo's debut has been lightyears ahead of all of Kaka's subpar performances.

It might sound vague but it's the truth dude, if someone can't score from his crosses, or the problem is the crosser, or the target man. And you cant deny that, sometimes it has been both. You told me to jerk off to Kaka, if you werent A BIT pissed then slap yourself. So what that C. Ronaldo plays for Manchester? Then i can understand that C. Ronaldo could be shining at Milan and Kaka warming the bench at Man Utd because it's Manchester? C. Ronaldo had a pretty impressive debut but its just one game, Kaka was MotM of the derby match plus he had some good displays for Milan.

Displays? He only did well against Inter, like I've said. Lecce doesn't count as good, I could fricken beat Lecce, and Ronaldo's debut was much better then Kaka's entire performances for Milan combined.

Performance wise maybe yes, but results wise, Kaka was more efficient. And Bolton doesnt count as good also.

is it just me or has this thread become grunger vs. hugo?

Its just you.:rolleyes: ;) J/k... you're probably right. I guess we should just agree to disagree anyway.

Originally posted by shokz
Filling Rui Costa's boots is nothing compared to filling David Beckham's boots.

Dude, are you on crack or something? Filling David Beckhams sarong and taking his place as the superstar/weirdo of the team is hard, filling his boots is something quite a few players could do.

kaka. his goal against columbia in the gold cup was awesome.

more and more people say Kaká but it is Ronaldo's votes which are increasing.. Haha

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
Displays? He only did well against Inter, like I've said. Lecce doesn't count as good, I could fricken beat Lecce, and Ronaldo's debut was much better then Kaka's entire performances for Milan combined.

what has Ronaldo done for United so far? dive for a penalty? do 473897342 stepovers that usually come to nothing?

saying Kaka hasn't performed well for Milan is like saying Beckham isn't popular in Asia :|

Originally posted by rony31
what has Ronaldo done for United so far? dive for a penalty? do 473897342 stepovers that usually come to nothing?

saying Kaka hasn't performed well for Milan is like saying Beckham isn't popular in Asia :|
Nah. It was more stepovers than that. I mean even i do that many after 1 hour in the park. j/k ;) .
From what i hear, Kaka did a lot so to say that he did nothing is stupid, but to say that Ronaldo did nothing is stupid aswell. The best thing he did is he alighted the Man Utd fans with his moves. And that's enough for me to call him a United superstar, especially after he was doing it succesfully with Arsenal a couple of times. He had some good crosses aswell. But i mean common he wasn't even a starter for a year, since his first starting debut for Sporting. So, you can't ask much from him. And people already know him better than Flethcer and compare with Giggs. Plus he is just 18 and has lots to learn, especially Fergie will teach him a hell of a lot. So maybe Kaka did better so far, but Ronaldo is 3 years younger, and still has lots to learn and he is already that well know. Plus United's midfield is a bit better than Milan's, that's why it's harder to get into the starting place.

Giggs, Scholes, Keane and Fletcher are better than Rui Costa, Seedorf/Serginho, Gattuso and Pirlo? :| riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight... :rolleyes:

why are we guys comparing players who doesnt play in the same league....?with the exception of henry, any player that comes from serie a would have sucked in the epl.... crespo may have gotten a few goals, but they were all one touches...... if ronaldo was to go to serie a, he would be a legend there because of the slow footbore they are playing, if kaka plays in the epl, he would certainly struggle like veron because he is not used to the pace....some of you say that because of the gold cup, kaka is going to be great.... well, no player is great if the never play in spain or england...

you obviously havent seen Kaká play.. his pace and shooting is whats he's best at..

Originally posted by fifafanv1
why are we guys comparing players who doesnt play in the same league....?with the exception of henry, any player that comes from serie a would have sucked in the epl.... crespo may have gotten a few goals, but they were all one touches...... if ronaldo was to go to serie a, he would be a legend there because of the slow footbore they are playing, if kaka plays in the epl, he would certainly struggle like veron because he is not used to the pace....some of you say that because of the gold cup, kaka is going to be great.... well, no player is great if the never play in spain or england...

again you don't know what are you talking about... most serie A players doesn't want to move to EPL that doesn't mean that they will be crap playing in EPL... other successful example like, Dennis bergkamp who played for Inter before moving to Arsenal, Di Canio also is a very successful example, Marcel Desailly also played in serie a before if i'm not wrong and the list goes on...

yeap.. Desailly played for Milan and won the European Cup.. Like someone said earlier, Ronaldo is the only person who can do stepovers in the EPL.. Thats why he's so famous.. I mean, how many EPL teams actually play with a attacking midfielder (usually someone so damn good at dribbling).. In Milan alone, Pirlo, Rui Costa, Sheva and Kaká perform stepovers.. Others include Zanetti, Emre, Del Piero, Nedved, Davids and many, MANY more..

i was trying to prove grunger0x wrong....

in what sense?

Originally posted by fifafanv1
i was trying to prove grunger0x wrong....

apparently you don't have a single idea on what you are talking about.. how do you intent to prove other people wrong?:rolleyes: :kader:

:rolleyes: dun ask me... ricardo played well.... but no in-form player can be in-form forever.... maybe, we should compare le tallec and kaka as both play in the similar positions....

Originally posted by rony31
Giggs, Scholes, Keane and Fletcher are better than Rui Costa, Seedorf/Serginho, Gattuso and Pirlo? :| riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight... :rolleyes:
Yes, Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Kleberson, Solskjaer are better than Rui COsta, Seedorf/Serginho, Gattuso and Pirlo.

it is weird tho....who voted for ronaldo since almost all here say they prefer kaka? - me! :)

you must be smoking something illegal man..

:kader:

[a-lil-biased]Milan's midfield is rivaled only by Real's.. [/a-lil-biased]

Actually i am not, i never even smoked anything, because it only kills you.



BTW who only compares Milan midfield with Real's? Just because Milan won the CL by penalties doesn't mean that they have the top 2 midfield in the world. Their forwards may be a bit stronger than United's, because if you take both Schevchenko and Inzaghi, they will be better than Ruud van Nistelrooy, but United's midfield is stronger. If Giggs, Scholes and Keane went to Milan, they would be starters there, with Pirlo.

Originally posted by Help?
Yes, Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Kleberson, Solskjaer are better than Rui COsta, Seedorf/Serginho, Gattuso and Pirlo.
Soksjaer is better than Pirlo or Gattuso? Kleberson better than Seedorf, or Pirlo or Gattuso? Oh my goodness... In my opinion i think Giggs and Scholes could start for Milan, the other ones wouldnt make a difference. Not even Keane, i wouldnt want him playing for my team (Milan), i just cant stand him, so i would go for Seedorf. About fifa saying that no player is good if they dont play in England or Spain, please, spare me...

you can't stand keane? so you wouldn't want keane on your team because you can't stand him? or you wouldn't want him on your team because you think seedorf is better.

Both.

Originally posted by Help?
If Giggs, Scholes and Keane went to Milan, they would be starters there, with Pirlo.

wtf are you smoking, man? first of all, Keane would NEVER get chosen over Gattuso. second, Giggs wouldn't be as successful in the Serie A like in the EPL... look at Serginho, he plays the same style as Giggs, and he gets smothered when he gets the ball. third, Scholes wouldn't have any room to load up one of his powerful shots from 30 yards out in Italy because it's much more tight at the back. hence, no way in hell would any of those players be starters at Milan... MAYBE Giggs, but he wouldn't be very effective

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Originally posted by Pana8hnaikos
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Originally posted by rony31
wtf are you smoking, man? first of all, Keane would NEVER get chosen over Gattuso. second, Giggs wouldn't be as successful in the Serie A like in the EPL... look at Serginho, he plays the same style as Giggs, and he gets smothered when he gets the ball. third, Scholes wouldn't have any room to load up one of his powerful shots from 30 yards out in Italy because it's much more tight at the back. hence, no way in hell would any of those players be starters at Milan... MAYBE Giggs, but he wouldn't be very effective
and forth Giggs is better than Seedorf, Scholes is better than Rui Costa and Keane is better than Gattuso. Tell me if you want to know why, i just don't have enough time to explain it to you.

and i thought this thread was dead...

Please stop reading my mind.

I suppose thats how Jedi Mind Tricks work eh. :crazyboy: :(

*waves hand*

Padawan!. :o

Originally posted by Help?
and forth Giggs is better than Seedorf, Scholes is better than Rui Costa and Keane is better than Gattuso. Tell me if you want to know why, i just don't have enough time to explain it to you.

yes, Giggs is better than Seedorf, thats because Giggs has been a left winger all his career, while Seedorf started playing on the left last season

Scholes is NOT better than Rui Costa... he may be better at scoring goals and firing rockets, but Rui Costa's a much better playmaker, and you know it (although he is inconsistent :crazyboy: )

lastly, Gattuso is a million times better than Keane... he always gives 110%, and can make a tackle without breaking someones leg and ending their career :rolleyes: Keane is just a dirty bastard, he sucks, and he's extremely overrated by Man Utd fans

Giggs is faster obviously, but i like seedorf on the wing. Hes a smart player.

Gattuso is better that Roy Keane in just about every aspect.

Rui Costa and Scholes is a tough comparison, but Rui seems more composed, he has more of a presence on the field.

i'm not going to go as far as debating whether or not scholes is better than rui costa. judging from your posts, there's obviously no objectivity on your part. i like rui costa and wish that he'd find that consistency that makes him such a great player, but i'd rather take scholes on my part.

and for you to say that keane is just a dirty bastard who sucks and is extremely overrated shows your ineptitude and lack of judgement on the player, who is widely recognzed by the "footballing community" as more than what you've described him as.

ain't this thread is about kaka and ronaldo?
i saw some rui costa, gattuso, seedorf, scholes, giggs and keane here....:o :D

yeah, exactly.. :kader:

Originally posted by Jedi Mind Trick
i'm not going to go as far as debating whether or not scholes is better than rui costa. judging from your posts, there's obviously no objectivity on your part. i like rui costa and wish that he'd find that consistency that makes him such a great player, but i'd rather take scholes on my part.

and for you to say that keane is just a dirty bastard who sucks and is extremely overrated shows your ineptitude and lack of judgement on the player, who is widely recognzed by the "footballing community" as more than what you've described him as.
Exactly.


There is no way that Gattuso is better than Keane. Keane adds that spirit that no player has. Look at Ireland without Keane and listen to what Kerr said about him this week. Plus talking about somebody working 100%. Keane tries 100% aswell. It's just that Rony is also a Man City fan and Keane injuried a Man City player on purpose and destroyed his career. But it doesn't make Keane the dirties player, Vieira got more cards than Keane, plus KEane tackeled Haaland after Haaland almost destroyed Roy's career.

And if Scholes has more presence on the field, than Costa. Scholes came back from injury and after 15 minutes got 2 assists already. He is also been named as a player with one of the best talents in the world, which is irreplacable, by Henry and Shearer. And Scholes is being compared to Bryan Robson.

you are a Parma fan? if you are then its weird you dont watch Milan play.. :crazyboy: Otherwise you would at least speak some good about both Gattuso and Rui..

theres more important things to talk about: AC Milan-Lazio this weekend. Big game.

Nesta, Pancaro playing against their old teams. So is Albertini.

Originally posted by xxxFLYERxxx
theres more important things to talk about: AC Milan-Lazio this weekend. Big game.

Nesta, Pancaro playing against their old teams. So is Albertini.


i'll be a Lazio fan for a day (H) :rockman:

Albertini surely doesnt deserve being let out the team like that.. It aint nice..

Originally posted by IceBlu
i'll be a Lazio fan for a day (H) :rockman:

and I'll be an... Ancona fan for Saturday :confused: :| :( (H)

Originally posted by Shevchenko-[7]
Albertini surely doesnt deserve being let out the team like that.. It aint nice..
He may not deserve it, but he's just not good enough. That's life. You go away on loan and someone who's a better player comes in and replaces you, you can't expect the manager to take him out of the team just for you out of pity.:p

Originally posted by Shevchenko-[7]
you are a Parma fan? if you are then its weird you dont watch Milan play.. :crazyboy: Otherwise you would at least speak some good about both Gattuso and Rui..
I am not a Parma fan. I am a United fan.

only a Man Utd fan would think Keane is better than Gattuso :rolleyes:

Hmmm Gattuso is hard worker, but Keane is the brain of Man Yoo. I think he's better.

Originally posted by rony31
only a Man Utd fan would think Keane is better than Gattuso :rolleyes:

only a milan fan would want to make himself believe that.

Gattuso's the heart of Milan... he's always pumping up the fans and never gives up... Keane's dead at half time :|

Originally posted by rony31
Gattuso's the heart of Milan... he's always pumping up the fans and never gives up... Keane's dead at half time :|


please don't give me that ish. i'm being objective here, and i agree with you on gattuso being and inspirational player. but c'mon man. keane's as talismanic as they come. and don't give that bs about keane being dead at half time. you're comparing a 25 year old to a 32 year old...

straight simple...and the majority of the people will agree with me. keane is better than gattuso will ever be. stand up nucca.

and..judging by your foe icon, don't tell me your a city fan, bc that just makes you twice as biased.

why yes I am a City fan as well, thank you for noticing :crazyboy:

my arguments may be a bit biased, seeing as how I hate Keane's guts, but I still think Gattuso's better than him in every aspect

Originally posted by rony31
my arguments may be a bit biased, seeing as how I hate Keane's guts, but I still think Gattuso's better than him in every aspect

well that loses your credibility in this debate.

but i respect your opinion and i agree that gattuso is a good player. good luck against lazio.

heh... good luck against Leeds (Y) :)