View Full Version : No Partizan Belgrade???????????


vwserb
14-10-2003, 03:54:AM
what is EA's problem they do not put in partizan belgrsde or any serbian team not even the national team booooooooooooooo on Ea i refuse to buy it.........


can someone tell me if this is true?????

Paul
14-10-2003, 06:04:AM
I feel your pain... its emanating from you :rolleyes:

I'm sure its not the end of the world.

FKPartizan
14-10-2003, 06:13:AM
I can't believe it either you at least have to have all CL teams

Voltaic Borusse
14-10-2003, 06:15:AM
There's another thread about this. :rolleyes:

FKPartizan
14-10-2003, 06:16:AM
we made the two threads at the same time I think

Savo
14-10-2003, 06:24:AM
Partizan isnt in the game :| ?

FKPartizan
14-10-2003, 06:32:AM
nope, it's bulls**t:kader:

Savo
14-10-2003, 06:34:AM
ahhh .. picke su :(

francis81
14-10-2003, 08:19:AM
I'm ecuadorian , I think Patizan is a good team , it has to be in fifa 2004

FKPartizan
14-10-2003, 10:19:AM
see ea, worldwide apeal and yet you still spit on them.:kader:

Marty
14-10-2003, 10:32:AM
Dont worry i'll make your Partizan Kit !;)

brejc
14-10-2003, 11:08:AM
Originally posted by francis81
I'm ecuadorian , I think Patizan is a good team , it has to be in fifa 2004

I'm Croatian, I think they're ****, and can't wait to see them get embarassed against Real.

FKPartizan
14-10-2003, 11:55:AM
Originally posted by Marty
Dont worry i'll make your Partizan Kit !;)

Thanks! that would be cool, my only prob. is I use ps2, but I think alot of people would want it if you made it.:)

FKPartizan
14-10-2003, 12:00:PM
Originally posted by brejc
I'm Croatian, I think they're ****, and can't wait to see them get embarassed against Real.

how well will the Croatian team do in the CL? oh, wait...........

THERE IS NO CROATIAN TEAM CHAMPIONS LEAGUE!!!!

but what difference should it make that you are croatian? soccer is the universal sport and goes beyond ethnic differences. I wouldn't cheer against a croation team based only on the fact that I am Serbian.

FKPartizan
14-10-2003, 12:06:PM
hey vwserb get rid of that flag. Nema crzena zvezda veshe, me nismo communists. my spelling in Serbian is awful I know but I hope you know what that means.

simcut
14-10-2003, 12:11:PM
oh so sorry EA forgot to include that mongolian premiership.... how can you expect EA to please absolutely everyone? bloody ridiculous.

brejc
14-10-2003, 12:16:PM
Originally posted by FKPartizan
how well will the Croatian team do in the CL? oh, wait...........

THERE IS NO CROATIAN TEAM CHAMPIONS LEAGUE!!!!

but what difference should it make that you are croatian? soccer is the universal sport and goes beyond ethnic differences. I wouldn't cheer against a croation team based only on the fact that I am Serbian.

First of all, I don't know why you would bring up the fact that there is no Croatian team in the CL, I never even mentioned a Croatian team, all I did was give my OPINION, calling a team **** DOESN'T mean I am cheering against it, it just means what I think of the team, for example, I think San Marino is ****, but I would've loved to see them beat Sweden, cause the poor bastards haven't won a game in their history. So why you would bring up a Croatian team or mention ethinc differences really blows my mind.

brejc
14-10-2003, 12:19:PM
Originally posted by simcut
oh so sorry EA forgot to include that mongolian premiership.... how can you expect EA to please absolutely everyone? bloody ridiculous.

Beautifully put simcut, about time someone tries to shut these babies up.

Marty
14-10-2003, 12:21:PM
No problem I'll make Partizan as soon as I make Boca Juniors
I am a fan of Partizan!


Volim !!!!! Partizan !!!!
crno bele boje!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paul
14-10-2003, 12:29:PM
Originally posted by simcut
oh so sorry EA forgot to include that mongolian premiership.... how can you expect EA to please absolutely everyone? bloody ridiculous.

I am disappointed the Mongolian Premiership not being in the game :(

FKPartizan
14-10-2003, 12:42:PM
Originally posted by simcut
oh so sorry EA forgot to include that mongolian premiership.... how can you expect EA to please absolutely everyone? bloody ridiculous.

mongolian premiership........hmmm don't remember hearing someone in the forums asking for that one. My point is PUT ALL THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE TEAMS IN THE GAME. If there is a starting point for choosing teams that should be it. I don't want the whole league, only the one team, Partizan who are one of the better sides in european soccer. so don't get in a hissy fit b/c People expect Partizan to be in the game b/c we have a very valid point.
"bloody ridiculous":crazyboy:

brejc
14-10-2003, 12:49:PM
Originally posted by FKPartizan
Partizan who are one of the better sides in european soccer. so don't get in a hissy fit b/c People expect Partizan to be in the game b/c we have a very valid point.
"bloody ridiculous":crazyboy:

Now THAT is Bloody Ridiculous

pennington10
14-10-2003, 01:15:PM
It is dumb to put a team as worthless as Sunderland in the game but not have Partizan. I know I am just an upset Toon fan but what has Sunderland ever done. The weren't in the CL this year that is for sure.

FKPartizan
15-10-2003, 12:39:AM
you've got a point, how can you justify putting over 90 english squads yet not have all CL teams in the game.

bantam
15-10-2003, 12:47:AM
ea well come on lads Patizan are a great team think taribo west play for em, well come on though i had to suffer alot without bradford in fifas!!!

Arsenal_fc
15-10-2003, 12:53:AM
who cares partizan suck

shokz
15-10-2003, 12:54:AM
Originally posted by Arsenal_fc
who cares partizan suck

If you don't care, why bother wasting your time.

SID7
15-10-2003, 01:03:AM
Hmm... its f*cking ridicolous that all CL-teams aren't in the game.

If i have to be honest i'd rather have Partizan, Red Star and Dinamo Kiev in the game than all of the South American clubs.

More Eastern European/Balkan teams in FIFA, please.

If Partizan shouldn't be in the game then why should the Geordie cúnts that lost to Partizan?

NUFC going down :rockman:

Punkt
15-10-2003, 01:19:AM
Originally posted by simcut
oh so sorry EA forgot to include that mongolian premiership.... how can you expect EA to please absolutely everyone? bloody ridiculous.

yes but didn't forgot the 4654564 english teams...
i personally prefer all CL teams instead of carlisle or hull...

bantam
15-10-2003, 01:23:AM
ahm ea are mucking up abit o alot of tuff, teams such as partizan and the teamlist being reduced!? well lads i had to survive all the fifas! (exlcude 00 and 01) without bradford

SID7
15-10-2003, 01:25:AM
Originally posted by Punkt
yes but didn't forgot the 4654564 english teams...
i personally prefer all CL teams instead of carlisle or hull...

I wouldn't :D

Nationwide > All CL-teams >>>>>>>>>> South American whingers/ref-beaters :D

SID7
15-10-2003, 01:27:AM
And why isn't the Welsh nationalteam in the game?
They have a remote chance of qualifying for Euro04

Punkt
15-10-2003, 01:30:AM
Originally posted by SID7
And why isn't the Welsh nationalteam in the game?
They have a remote chance of qualifying for Euro04

i think they have team to beat Russia. :)

FKPartizan
15-10-2003, 01:31:AM
Originally posted by SID7
And why isn't the Welsh nationalteam in the game?
They have a remote chance of qualifying for Euro04

the should be in the game as well after their stunning run in europe (I should know, they they got second place by just one point over the Serbs)

SID7
15-10-2003, 01:39:AM
Originally posted by Punkt
i think they have team to beat Russia. :)

I forgot who they were up against so i was playing it safe :D

Wales :rockman:

SID7
15-10-2003, 01:41:AM
Originally posted by FKPartizan
the should be in the game as well after their stunning run in europe (I should know, they they got second place by just one point over the Serbs)

Hehe, i actually feel a bit sorry for Serbia-Montenegro, they do have a couple of great players and they also have the history(even though Yugoslavia is no more)

FKPartizan
15-10-2003, 01:53:AM
they have had a bit of a fallout in the past few years. They're in that stage where some of the best players have retired and many of the brightest stars in the country are still on the U-21 and U-18 teams. But I love to see squads like Wales come in and suprise everyone, I'm a big fan of underdogs.

Arsenal_fc
15-10-2003, 03:21:AM
"Keown is a diving wanker"
you a bit jelous of arsenal or summing your name sucks and your sig is just ****in stupid get a life
:f***:

recain
15-10-2003, 03:37:AM
Dynamo Kiev!!!! The best team in Eastern Europe!!! And it is not in the game:f***: WTF.EA team List had 3 Polish teams, and no polish teams even got in the Chempions League!!! Why there is no Dynamo????

FORZA DYNAMO!!!:f***:

brejc
15-10-2003, 03:43:AM
Originally posted by SID7
Hehe, i actually feel a bit sorry for Serbia-Montenegro, they do have a couple of great players and they also have the history(even though Yugoslavia is no more)

Correction there mate, S&M have absolutely no history at all, unless you want to count the unforgetable 6-1 loss to the Dutch team in Euro 2000, Now EX-YUGOSLAVIA, has the history you're thinking of, When all the Croatians, bosnians, and slovenians were a part of the team(Prosinecki, Boban, Jarni, Suker, Boksic).
Enough of my history lesson, but I just had to clear up the confusion.

SRB
15-10-2003, 04:33:AM
this is bogus... leaving out partizan. come on man they beat newcastle at home and tied porto... they should include all CL teams in the game because they are the proven teams in the world. and yes suker is right S&M have virtually no history. but then again the balkans are a very messed up and its hard to understand. were coming back though... 06 is our year :D im still very dissapointed about EA's decision though...

Savo
15-10-2003, 04:34:AM
Originally posted by brejc
Correction there mate, S&M have absolutely no history at all, unless you want to count the unforgetable 6-1 loss to the Dutch team in Euro 2000, Now EX-YUGOSLAVIA, has the history you're thinking of, When all the Croatians, bosnians, and slovenians were a part of the team(Prosinecki, Boban, Jarni, Suker, Boksic).
Enough of my history lesson, but I just had to clear up the confusion.

First of all .. you have 19 posts .. and you are acting like the owner of these boards by coming in and saying sh*t .... BTW Partizan does not suck .... if they sucked .. they wouldnt be in the Champions league now .. would they dumb as$ ? and about S&M ... We have a bunch of talented players in the A team and the U-21 team .. We will see in 2006 .. who will be luaghing then

SID7
15-10-2003, 04:41:AM
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wheed007
15-10-2003, 04:41:AM
hey croatian pedercino stfu cause croatia has no teams in CL so keep cheering for foreign teams u fag

SID7
15-10-2003, 04:45:AM
Originally posted by Arsenal_fc
"Keown is a diving wanker"
you a bit jelous of arsenal or summing your name sucks and your sig is just ****in stupid get a life
:f***:

What relevance does this have to the thread?
I haven't forgot the Totti-incident where your so-called "hardman" dived, how "hard" is that?
Therefore i call the monkeyman a diver.

I'm not letting you have more threadspoiling-enjoyment, by responding further to your rubbish posts, so don't bother writing more of that shíte.

SID7
15-10-2003, 04:51:AM
Originally posted by brejc
Correction there mate, S&M have absolutely no history at all, unless you want to count the unforgetable 6-1 loss to the Dutch team in Euro 2000, Now EX-YUGOSLAVIA, has the history you're thinking of, When all the Croatians, bosnians, and slovenians were a part of the team(Prosinecki, Boban, Jarni, Suker, Boksic).
Enough of my history lesson, but I just had to clear up the confusion.

Well there is still a couple, like Dejan Stankovic(one of my favorite players), Danko Lazovic and Mateja Kezman(Who sadly seem to be a bit too big for his boots, and def. need a bollocking)

Savo
15-10-2003, 04:52:AM
this thread is about Partizan and fifa ..... would u guys take this fight to PM's ? thanks

Savo
15-10-2003, 04:53:AM
Originally posted by SID7
Well there is still a couple, like Dejan Stankovic(one of my favorite players), Danko Lazovic and Mateja Kezman(Who sadly seem to be a bit too big for his boots, and def. need a bollocking)


Our U-21 team has a lot of talented players .. like Vidic, Delibasic, Lazetic, Disljenkovic .. which might get a chance to even play at the next world cup (H)

brejc
15-10-2003, 05:08:AM
Originally posted by Savo
First of all .. you have 19 posts .. and you are acting like the owner of these boards by coming in and saying sh*t .... BTW Partizan does not suck .... if they sucked .. they wouldnt be in the Champions league now .. would they dumb as$ ? and about S&M ... We have a bunch of talented players in the A team and the U-21 team .. We will see in 2006 .. who will be luaghing then

Oh my apologies, I didn't know I was supposed to be a loser with no life and write 3500 posts in order to state my opinion, and thaks for showing us all what a big loser, with no class or brains you are, i mean your argument has absolutely nothing to do with my post. Go get some kind of an education and then try wasting my time with such stupid arguments

P.S. the moderators should really make a new rule: If your IQ is below 40, you can't write anything on this forum, this would really keep morons like Marko and Savo off these forums

brejc
15-10-2003, 05:10:AM
Originally posted by SID7
Well there is still a couple, like Dejan Stankovic(one of my favorite players), Danko Lazovic and Mateja Kezman(Who sadly seem to be a bit too big for his boots, and def. need a bollocking)

of course mate, I never said there wasn't any:D

Savo
15-10-2003, 05:12:AM
Originally posted by brejc
Oh my apologies, I didn't know I was supposed to be a loser with no life and write 3500 posts in order to state my opinion, and thaks for showing us all what a big loser, with no class or brains you are, i mean your argument has absolutely nothing to do with my post. Go get some kind of an education and then try wasting my time with such stupid arguments

P.S. the moderators should really make a new rule: If your IQ is below 40, you can't write anything on this forum, this would really keep morons like Marko and Savo off these forums

I have no life ? Thats why all the moderators on SG have almost over 4000 posts ? Dumb As$

Oh .. And PS .. youre the one who needs an education .. and get a life .. rather then coming on a forum to make fun of other Cultures and cause Havoc for no reason

SRB
15-10-2003, 05:13:AM
ah... just cuz he has a lot of posts means he has no life...? its really hard to try and block all the racism in your posts. S&M suck right now? We beat Wales TWICE and tied italy. come on man.We have good players too. Back on topic u say that Partizan is ****, k thats your opinion. What a lot of people here are trying to say that since Partizan made it into CL, they should be included, and that's a good assessment because right now they are one of the better teams in europe, and why include all of the english teams and not add a good european contender?

brejc
15-10-2003, 05:24:AM
Originally posted by wheed007
hey croatian pedercino stfu cause croatia has no teams in CL so keep cheering for foreign teams u fag

Now I won't be rude like Marko was, I'll just add a small remark and wait for him to get banned.

Congratulations, you're right there is no Croatian teams in the CL, I don't know whoever mentioned Croatian teams but you seem to bring them up anyway. So just to shut you up forever, I would like to remind you of a day in 1997, it was a beautiful July 30th when Dinamo beat Partizan, geee, what was it again, I believe it was 5-0.

And damn, I didn't know cheering for foreign teams turns you into a homosexual, any more of you people experience that transformation?, cause ****, i've been an AC fan for a long time, I should've sucked every cock in this world already, if your theory was true.

Savo
15-10-2003, 05:26:AM
Originally posted by brejc


Congratulations, you're right there is no Croatian teams in the CL, I don't know whoever mentioned Croatian teams but you seem to bring them up anyway. So just to shut you up forever, I would like to remind you of a day in 1997, it was a beautiful July 30th when Dinamo beat Partizan, geee, what was it again, I believe it was 5-0.



Typical Croatian ... Living up the olden days ... U have got to let go of 97, WC 98 ... Its past .. Its over .. And it probobaly wont happen again (H)

SRB
15-10-2003, 05:29:AM
since you seem to like talking about the past so much, lets remind ourselves the last time dinamo played partizan, and injured our start player on purpose, injuring him for 5 months, and then youre player punched delibasic in the face. but no that wasn't enough, your fans also ran on the field when dinamo scored the second goal which made the refs stop the game. come on man why dont you ever post the bad things not only how ya'll won.

brejc
15-10-2003, 05:30:AM
Originally posted by SRB
ah... just cuz he has a lot of posts means he has no life...? its really hard to try and block all the racism in your posts. S&M suck right now? We beat Wales TWICE and tied italy. come on man.We have good players too. Back on topic u say that Partizan is ****, k thats your opinion. What a lot of people here are trying to say that since Partizan made it into CL, they should be included, and that's a good assessment because right now they are one of the better teams in europe, and why include all of the english teams and not add a good european contender?

I don't know where you're picking up the racism, and to tell you the truth, I don't think S&M suck right now, it's really hard to say any team sucks nowadys, there's new surprise every year, Croatia in '98, Korea(well pretty much that whole WC) in 2002, and many teams now for 2004, and I agree with you, all the CL teams SHOULD be included, but it's been said earlier that EA has trouble licensing those teams, and it ticks me off when people cry about a game because one team wasn't included, I really didn't mean to offend anyone by my opinion, but this thread has somehow turned into a war, so I hope the mods close it

SID7
15-10-2003, 05:31:AM
Ah, i guess its my turn to ask you guys to "solve the matter in PMs", would ya? :D

Even if Partizan Beograd were shíte(which they aren't) that doesn't change the fact that they have qualified for the European Champions League, and therefore should participate in FIFA 2004.

But i assume the decision to pick South American teams over Champions League-teams have been taking, due to the fact that South American-teams are more popular in the US than teams like Dinamo Kiev, Lokomotiv Moskva and Partizan Beograd.

Popularity in the US = Money
Popularity in Eastern Europe/The Balkans = Less money
And thats economy, the creator of football apartheid.

brejc
15-10-2003, 05:31:AM
Originally posted by SRB
since you seem to like talking about the past so much, lets remind ourselves the last time dinamo played partizan, and injured our start player on purpose, injuring him for 5 months, and then youre player punched delibasic in the face. but no that wasn't enough, your fans also ran on the field when dinamo scored the second goal which made the refs stop the game. come on man why dont you ever post the bad things not only how ya'll won.

Your question is answered in the quote i was refering to.

Savo
15-10-2003, 05:35:AM
Originally posted by SID7
Ah, i guess its my turn to ask you guys to "solve the matter in PMs", would ya? :D

Even if Partizan Beograd were shí´¥(which they aren't) that doesn't change the fact that they have qualified for the European Champions League, and therefore should participate in FIFA 2004.

But i assume the decision to pick South American teams over Champions League-teams have been taking, due to the fact that South American-teams are more popular in the US than teams like Dinamo Kiev, Lokomotiv Moskva and Partizan Beograd.

Popularity in the US = Money
Popularity in Eastern Europe/The Balkans = Less money
And thats economy, the creator of football apartheid.

Thats a good post .. They dunt know how much fans Partizan or Zvezda or Dinamo Kiev fans have .. o well .. well be in there sooner or later .. latez

brejc
15-10-2003, 05:40:AM
Originally posted by SID7
Ah, i guess its my turn to ask you guys to "solve the matter in PMs", would ya? :D

Even if Partizan Beograd were shíte(which they aren't) that doesn't change the fact that they have qualified for the European Champions League, and therefore should participate in FIFA 2004.

But i assume the decision to pick South American teams over Champions League-teams have been taking, due to the fact that South American-teams are more popular in the US than teams like Dinamo Kiev, Lokomotiv Moskva and Partizan Beograd.

Popularity in the US = Money
Popularity in Eastern Europe/The Balkans = Less money
And thats economy, the creator of football apartheid.

You're right, soccer is turning into a business nowadays(at least her in NA, from what I can tell) and it's bound to ruin the game if it keeps up this way, and yeah, the reason those teams are only popular in Europe is because all they show here on TV is Manchester United or Real Madrid, ppl here are being brainwashed as to what to like.

SRB
15-10-2003, 05:44:AM
yea true... if they dont wanna put them in thats EA's opinion. I think all CL teams should be put in but then thats my opinion. As i see it i think EA's opinion matters more so i will shut up... hopefully they will include us in the next one. As for brejc, im trying to show you that the same team you pride on beating partizan is the one that flat out started a wrestlingg match on the terrain the last game. You cant tell me thats right.

brejc
15-10-2003, 05:59:AM
Originally posted by SRB
yea true... if they dont wanna put them in thats EA's opinion. I think all CL teams should be put in but then thats my opinion. As i see it i think EA's opinion matters more so i will shut up... hopefully they will include us in the next one. As for brejc, im trying to show you that the same team you pride on beating partizan is the one that flat out started a wrestlingg match on the terrain the last game. You cant tell me thats right.

hmmm, Dinamo was leading 2-0 in the 68th minute, yet they're the one's who started the fight, makes a lot of sense:confused:

SRB
15-10-2003, 06:44:AM
see i tried to end this and u keep bringing it up. Dinamo was leading 1-0, then when they scored the second goal, the Dinamo supporters ran to the Partizan supporters and tried to start a fight. Also, all through the match Dinamo was starting crap, first injuring Ivic for 5 months, for NO REASON, then a Dinamo player blatantly punched Delibasic in the face and got nothing for it. Its what happened so dont pride yourself on Dinamo...

FKPartizan
15-10-2003, 09:04:PM
Originally posted by SID7
Ah, i guess its my turn to ask you guys to "solve the matter in PMs", would ya? :D

Even if Partizan Beograd were shíte(which they aren't) that doesn't change the fact that they have qualified for the European Champions League, and therefore should participate in FIFA 2004.

But i assume the decision to pick South American teams over Champions League-teams have been taking, due to the fact that South American-teams are more popular in the US than teams like Dinamo Kiev, Lokomotiv Moskva and Partizan Beograd.

Popularity in the US = Money
Popularity in Eastern Europe/The Balkans = Less money
And thats economy, the creator of football apartheid.

I wouldn't say thats 100% true b/c I'm from Chicago and there are about the same number of eastern europeans as there are south americans and ifthey appeled to both sides I think they would make alot more money.

FKPartizan
15-10-2003, 09:12:PM
hey assh0le$ stop your bitchin this entire forum and myself are sick of all your crap. This forum is about Partizan and other CL teams not in the game. Damn! this is why the country split up to begin with! b/c f***kers like you guys won't shut up! Thats it just leave it at that and go back to the forum topic!
:kader:

theCRO
15-10-2003, 10:14:PM
why the ethnic intolerance?

Partizan should be in the game, they're in the Champs league (for now) so EA messed up.

Partizan is in the champs league, no Croatian teams are this year.

Croatia has a chance for Euro after our WC appearence last yer, S&M misses both tournaments, and is in the history books for a 6-1 Euro brubbing, and playing the Azeri's in the first win in that nation's history :)

SID7
15-10-2003, 10:19:PM
People of the world, unite! :)(and more importantly, get back on topic)

brejc
16-10-2003, 03:34:AM
Originally posted by FKPartizan
Damn! this is why the country split up to begin with! b/c f***kers like you guys won't shut up! :kader:

You OBVIOUSLY need to get yiour history straight about why the country split up, but I won't get into that because this is a soccer forum.

hey assh0le$ stop your bitchin this entire forum and myself are sick of all your crap. This forum is about Partizan and other CL teams not in the game.Thats it just leave it at that and go back to the forum topic!


And I'm sick of geeks like you making threats and cursing over the internet, you're obviously an immature 12 year old. And just for the record, I never let a moron have the last word.

SID7
16-10-2003, 04:36:AM
And now you've had the last word, lets get back ON topic, ffs.

brejc
16-10-2003, 04:40:AM
Originally posted by SID7
And now you've had the last word, lets get back ON topic, ffs.

i agree

Paul
16-10-2003, 05:10:AM
5 pages on and you're still complaining that a team isn't in the game...

good god, only on the internet :rolleyes:

Limberopoulos21
16-10-2003, 05:10:AM
This forum isn't about CL teams nor Partizan, only this thread.

Short answer to topic- If you don't like it, then don't buy it and if you still want the game, then just add it in yourself or let editors do it. There's no point in continuing to argue, EA can't get every team in the game.

vwserb
17-10-2003, 07:25:AM
jedi te svi govna osim moj grobari!!!!!!!!!!!

brejc
17-10-2003, 10:47:AM
Originally posted by vwserb
jedi te svi govna osim moj grobari!!!!!!!!!!!

jebem ja tebi mater u po picke.

pusi mi kurac i ti i tvoji grobari

Glorious
17-10-2003, 01:59:PM
Yes it is hard to include ALL the best teams in the best leagues in the world but they have to have some left out which is a big shame. Partizan Belgrade is a great side and my Grand father was a partizan during the second world war fighting evil Hitler so I like Partizan Belgrade in S&M.


They should have them in the side even if i am a Macedonian! :p :)