Hey i need help with my strikers putting their chances away.

I hate drawing 1-1 when ive had 15-18 shots on target compared to their 1,2 or 3. You know what i mean?

What can i do in training to get the best out of the players taking their chances? What stats on the coaches do i look for to assign to shooting?

This pic is a perfect example of the **** i have to put up with, oh the frustration. Feyenoord even had 10 men. :rolleyes:

i have that too , cant do nothing about i guess

get strikers with at least 17 finishing? :confused:

maybe train them in shooting... or alter the striker's instructions and leave them forward for everything?

yeah, just the obvious really, change the tactics maybe, nope for some better luck.

TROD.

O.K, I think I can help you with this. I can suggest a couple of things.

Firstly in the with the ball section of your tactics move your strikers in front of the centre of the goal, and possibly bring an attacking midfielder up also for a line of three (see screens below).

Second, I would be interested to know which strikers you have. I personally don't think that the players finishing stat. is the answer. When buying forwards I always look at the history of the player. A player can have a sh*t-load of 20s in his stats line-up, but if the guy has scored 6 or 7 goals from 30 appearances in the last two years, then he isn't the guy your team needs. If a guy has reasonable to high stats AND a good history, chances are he'll bang them in for you also. Untested youngsters with very few games in their history are worth giving a run to sometimes though. Nikiforenko, Tsigalko and Richard Gomes (apparently) may be some players for you. A long-winded reply I know, but I hope it helps. :)

striker placement.....have your strikers placed about here for incoming balls to this area from anywhere.

Without support from the attcking mid.

Kop Kid, very nice indeed, thanks for the help.

Yeah im in 2035, so everyone is a regen.

Also, forr the instructions you have provided, is that for every tactic, or just the one you have? And is it still strong defensively?

Originally posted by John_Arne_Riise
Kop Kid, very nice indeed, thanks for the help.

Yeah im in 2035, so everyone is a regen.

Also, forr the instructions you have provided, is that for every tactic, or just the one you have? And is it still strong defensively?

The screenshots were just to show you where the strikers (and sometimes attacking mid) are usually placed in my tactics when the ball comes into that area (top-middle box) from any other. Just those two or three players. It is just for 'with the ball', so shouldn't make a difference to your defence as you can still place the players anywhere you wish when the opposition has it. The strength of your defence will depend more on how you place your entire team in 'without the ball' situations in and around the pitch.

With 22 shots to 0 (in the screenshot) it seems to me that your general tactics are pretty damn solid though and possibly all that you need to do is click on 'with the ball' on your tactics screen, then click a square on the pitch followed by the top middle box, and put your strikers in the positions on the screenshots I posted. Repeat the process through all the squares, so that whenever the ball comes into the top middle box, from anywhere on the pitch, your forwards will be in that position. Obviously the attacking midfileder will be substituted with a third forward if you play three up front. I hope that clears it up for you.

Also, yes I do have my forwards placed in that area when the ball comes into it in pretty much all my tactics, and always seem to score a lot of goals over a season ( 95 lowest league goals. 134 highest).

I've heard getting your striker to mark the keeper helps but I've also heard that you shouldn't do it cause it causes to many offsides

Well, I don't really see it as marking the keeper, more like having the 6 yard box covered when balls come in. I've never really had problems with offsides. I get a couple now and then, but when compared to the goals in gets for me its a good trade-off.

I'm not claiming that it is the ultimate solution, just putting down what worked for me over to bypass the missed opportunities problem. I must say though that it has been pretty consistent, over several seasons and with different forwards.

BTW Liam, I was having a look at some of your work in the menubar thread (downloaded the Liverpool one for later ) have to say, your stuff is really good. If you ever have some time on your hands and not much to do I would really love a Plymouth menubar. As you can probably see from my screenshots, I have the graphic art skills of a gerbil, so mine suck. No pressure of course. :)

Originally posted by The Kop Kid
striker placement.....have your strikers placed about here for incoming balls to this area from anywhere.
hey thanx for the tips, i tried that tactic and played 12 games and i did score in every game atleast 2 goals :D
dunno if its the tactic of my players but i will just let it that way .

Originally posted by Liam_Best
I've heard getting your striker to mark the keeper helps but I've also heard that you shouldn't do it cause it causes to many offsides

yeah, used to do that with Mellor, i had him mark the keeper, in one game he scored 2, had 6 offsides before being injured in the 80th min.

the problem isnt just about offsides, you also seem to get loads of injuries, HONESTLY, ive tried it loads of times, its like a bug.

TROD.

I've never had any injury probs with the tactic at all. Did you push your forwards all the way up to the goal line? as you can see from the screens, my strikers are not the whole way up against the keeper. More edge of the six yard box. Maybe it depends on the strikers positioning stat, or some other factor like age. I just know that it's worked for me over several seasons and with different teams and players. I would though like to see some screenshots from people of their defence set-ups "without ball' as I want to concede less goals. :)

Its difficult to try and set up the with ball/without ball section, do you have any tips?? Since fiddling around, my chances on goal have become less, but i'm still winning 2-0, 2-1 etc, but the thing is, my attacking midfielders avg rating has dropped as well as their goal scoring.

I generally don't fiddle too much with the 'without ball' section. In my opinion though, and others may completely disagree, to get the best out of your team it is essential to make at least a few adjustments to the with ball section. As for specifics, It's hard to really offer anything as the game engine seems to be a fairly complex beast and changing one aspect can have an effect on others in a tactic. I can post some screens If you think it would be helpful, but that's about the best I can do.

Maybe TROD or Liam may be able to be more specific as they've been playing a lot longer than I have. If you are really desperate you could always download some of the tactics from the net and look at them. That helped me learn what worked in various parts of the field. :)

not a bad point that, downloading a few proven tactics can be a good idea, then you can look at the wibble/wobble screens and look how theirs differes from normal CM default tactics.

Put it this way, its impossible to make a super-tactic without using those screens, its better to have an experiment with a few things and see how stuff works out.

A sad... sad... thing it wasnt inluded in CM4


TROD.

Nice, i will keep those things in mind.

I tend to just put my forwards on intensive shooting training when they are struggling to score

yeah but sometimes its not just that, maybe they're confidence is low, maybe the service is parp.

Also, he talked about his Attacking midfielders, now, that could be anything since they play in the midfield where owt can happen.

Best thing to do is have a mess around, try changing lots of things. IT might kick start your team into action if you say.... drop your 2 best players, the others will feel they are under pressure to perform.. and... perform! stuff like that.

TROD.

Originally posted by TROD
yeah but sometimes its not just that, maybe they're confidence is low, maybe the service is parp.

Also, he talked about his Attacking midfielders, now, that could be anything since they play in the midfield where owt can happen.

Best thing to do is have a mess around, try changing lots of things. IT might kick start your team into action if you say.... drop your 2 best players, the others will feel they are under pressure to perform.. and... perform! stuff like that.

TROD.

Yep I agree. Although sometimes the fact that a striker simply stinks can stick out like a sore thumb just from seeing things like "but Keogh sends the shot wide" over and over again (I hope you're enjoying life at Barnet Keogh, you useless son of a bitch . WAHAHAHAH!!).
Now, where was I...oh yes, much of the time though I think it is positioning or other factors such as you mention, so intense shooting practice will have no effect whatsoever. In general I think it's pretty easy to figure out what the problem is just by looking at things like the shots on goal to shots on target ratio , how many of those shot on target your team is actually scoring, each individuals stats each match, etc. etc. Just common sense stuff really.

As for John Arne's attacking mid problem, and without seeing his tactics, I would probably push the whole midfield a bit further forward in all 'with ball' situations in the opponents half. What do you think?

yeah, looking and carefully analysing induvidual stats is a good idea. There might be something that is blaringly obvious, like your striker is having 2 passes a game. lol

also, never play your players on under 85%.

TROD.

I never play players with less than 97% :P I have a (rather) large squad, well only 40 players last time i looked, but i most are capable of playing in the first team.

Kop Kid, i will give that a try, see how it goes.

Originally posted by TROD
yeah, looking and carefully analysing induvidual stats is a good idea. There might be something that is blaringly obvious, like your striker is having 2 passes a game. lol

also, never play your players on under 85%.

TROD.

Yeah, agreed. I think not playing players under 85% is one of the few 'set in stone' steps to getting the best out of your players in the CM games.

i agree.. but like alex says, thats just a guideline, personally i dont like playing players under 95%, but for other players 85% is ok to start with.

TROD.

90% for me. Unless they're a key player.

Also, if we have played 120 minutes in a cup tie and have a game 3 days later, I abandon any training.