The agent of Raul has confirmed that Chelsea offered a staggering €100 million (£70 million) for the Real Madrid striker during the summer.
Gines Carvajal, who also looks after the interests of Michel Salgado, made the relevation whilst speaking to radio station Onda Seis.

Raul, 26, is currently on the verge of opening talks with Real over a new contract, and Carvajal insists that despite the West Londoners' interest in his client, the Spanish international hit-man will extend his stay at El Santiago Bernabeu.

"Raul is ready to re-sign, because he wants to re-sign, although it is certain that Chelsea offered Real Madrid €100 million for him," declared Carvajal.

The staggering size of the sum offered by Roman Abramovich-backed Chelsea would have represented a world record transfer fee, eclipsing the £46 million paid by Real for Zinedine Zidane.

Carvajal went on to reveal that Salgado's future at the reigning Spanish champions was not as clear-cut as that of his team mate.

The agent stated that Real were desperate to retain the defender's services, and that the player himself was keen to stay, but added that the club's initial contract offer was not to Salgado's satisfaction.

While hinting that he was hopeful a compromise could be reached to keep the former Celta Vigo star in Madrid, Carvajal acknowledged that the player would be prepared to move on if his demands were not met.

"Michel Salgado wants to continue at Real Madrid, but not at any price," he went on.

"If the renewal is not possible we will have to go to another place."

Carvajal insisted that the only official contract offer he had received for Salgado had come from Real, but conceded there was widespread interest in his client - who becomes a free agent at the end of the season.

"Last year we had offers from a European team, but Real always denied that he could leave.

"We now have an offer from Real Madrid that is not totally to our satisfaction, but I give my word that we have not had any other firm offers for Michel Salgado, not from Chelsea, and not from any other club that isn't Real Madrid.

"Florentino Perez (Real Madrid president) wants Salgado to stay. I know that he has made a big effort and, though I don't know if he will make another, it's certain that he wants him to stay."

Real have already stated that they do not want Salgado's contractual situation to become a drawn out saga, and a definitive answer on whether the defender does stay is expected by the start of next week.


that russian guy filthy rich... ask him to donate some money to us..... that's like 1 cent to him...

OMG....:eek: :rolleyes:

I was wondering when someone would post this

heres the link http://www.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,31-1108589,00.html

raul ain't going anywhere.

Yeh evened if they offered over his release clause he still wouldnt leave

there needs to be some sort of f*ckin restriction. you can't just go about buying any player under the sun just because you can - its just wrong. How do u expect smaller clubs to compete ?

this isn't right for football.

F*ck Roman.

****ing ridicules!

To much money involved in football:kader:

I have no problem with it. And they're Arsenal's rivals.

It'll fall apart in time.

Chelsea already have good strikers. Raul isn't needed with Chelsea IMO. For that amount you can buy the whole PSV squad:eek:

Originally posted by IceBlu
there needs to be some sort of f*ckin restriction. you can't just go about buying any player under the sun just because you can - its just wrong. How do u expect smaller clubs to compete ?

this isn't right for football.

F*ck Roman.

Man, Parma fans say this about Juve. I understand the 'problem' but what can really be done.

BTW Raul's buy-out fee is that much isnt it? I remember hearing stories about it during the CL knockout round last year.

Excellent. :)

with 100 u can buy lots to replace raul. damn.

Meh, Raul is soo good but Chelsea could do with another Defender
Nesta or Maldini for half or less then that

This is crazy :crazyboy:

it just simple matter of offer and demand.
there might be a lot of demand for Raul but in the of offer don't think Real will let their captain go.

But if there's ever a player in Europe worth that much...its him

That is just plain stupid IMO... For one thing we already have plenty of top quality strikers and for another we could buy other players of such quality for much less:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Alistair
we could buy other players of such quality:rolleyes:

who's in ur head with SUCH QUALITY?:rolleyes:

Chelsea is stupid if tehy buy raul...they already have good striker and if they gonna buy something they should buy MF or DF....anyway lucky for chelsea on getting billionaire.....

Originally posted by ryan_goal
who's in ur head with SUCH QUALITY?:rolleyes: Kezman come off the top of my head.

Originally posted by northstar
BTW Raul's buy-out fee is that much isnt it? I remember hearing stories about it during the CL knockout round last year.

Nah its more like 168 mil or something like that:D maybe Roman will offer that much next time:rolleyes:

lol
yeah once that transfer window is open again ... they'll have to hire Stewards or Special security guards to stop roman from getting his checkbook out all the time.

Originally posted by Rob
Kezman come off the top of my head.

Kezman and Raul the same quality? :rolleyes:

**** Roman - He is cancer to the word "Competition".

Originally posted by PSVFOREVER
For that amount you can buy the whole PSV squad:eek:

Lol. :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny:

someone tell abramovich that football is played with 11 players in the field only...:crazyboy:

Originally posted by IceBlu
there needs to be some sort of f*ckin restriction. you can't just go about buying any player under the sun just because you can - its just wrong. How do u expect smaller clubs to compete ?

this isn't right for football.

F*ck Roman.

so if people dont like this, why dont you say anything about fiorentino perez and real madrid???????
i think they have done the same thing for the past years buying zidane ronaldo and beckham....isnt it the same????
oh but i forgot that real is the best so nothing is wrong with that!
what about competition???? i said the same goes for real too

Originally posted by IceBlu
there needs to be some sort of f*ckin restriction. you can't just go about buying any player under the sun just because you can - its just wrong. How do u expect smaller clubs to compete ?

this isn't right for football.

F*ck Roman.

yea that would be nice not to make amricanized but a salary cap would be nice, if not in the next few years hes gonna have all of real madridsplayers and all the superstars of the fricking world :kader: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by claupastore
so if people dont like this, why dont you say anything about fiorentino perez and real madrid???????
i think they have done the same thing for the past years buying zidane ronaldo and beckham....isnt it the same????
oh but i forgot that real is the best so nothing is wrong with that!
what about competition???? i said the same goes for real too


i've said that about Madrid on more than one occasion n00b ;) :p

its only a matter of time until he gets bored.. and egos start fuming with too many superstarts on the bench.

Its only a matter of time before he makes an attempt at van Nistelrooy and Henry.

The man, in my eyes, is trying to kill off Competition in the Premiership.

I dont really give a **** if The Premiership is in a better financial position than the rest of the world.

that offer makes me feel like im taking Crazy Pills. :gavin:

Originally posted by IceBlu
i've said that about Madrid on more than one occasion n00b ;) :p

oh ok:crazyboy:

this is f*****g crazy. I wonder what RM will do

i dont think Raul is going anywhere.. unless Florentino comes out and says he wants to sell. Is not like he needs money..

Originally posted by Lennon
this is f*****g crazy. I wonder what RM will do

let me guess....
theyll do the same thing that chealse wants to do.
buy all the stars from around the world.
next season theyll try to buy a star defender (they need it) like nesta or somebody else

Originally posted by claupastore
let me guess....
theyll do the same thing that chealse wants to do.
buy all the stars from around the world.
next season theyll try to buy a star defender (they need it) like nesta or somebody else

oh wait... they already been doing that... Ronaldo, Zidane, Beckham, Figo....

Jealousy.

Unless you really expect me to believe that Juventus and Manchester United fans care about the small teams and if so I didn't see the outrage when United spent a crap load on RvN, Veron and Ferdinand, or when Juve spent 20+ million on Buffon and another 20+ million on Nedved.

They don't hand out trophies in October so quit whining and look forward to your respective teams' big name signings when the transfer deadline is over and think of ways you can somehow justify how 30 million pounds spent on a human being is OK but more than that and you've suddenly drawn the line and are some crazy Russian businessman.

And Chelsea fans - smile, you lucky gits! :)

What is the point of buying another striker when they have mutu and crespo? :kader: they have a good enough strikers in fact their whole team is just nearly perfect. anyway i dont thing raul will want to leave real.

Its only a matter of time before chelsea try to buy nedved :rolleyes: :kader:

Originally posted by Neutral LFC
Jealousy.

Unless you really expect me to believe that Juventus and Manchester United fans care about the small teams and if so I didn't see the outrage when United spent a crap load on RvN, Veron and Ferdinand, or when Juve spent 20+ million on Buffon and another 20+ million on Nedved.

They don't hand out trophies in October so quit whining and look forward to your respective teams' big name signings when the transfer deadline is over and think of ways you can somehow justify how 30 million pounds spent on a human being is OK but more than that and you've suddenly drawn the line and are some crazy Russian businessman.

And Chelsea fans - smile, you lucky gits! :)

oh please dont make me laugh :D
me? jealous of real madrid????
omg
i do care about small teams, so what juventus bought 3 big names 3 years ago (buffon(which came from parma, not a big team)nedved and thuram), since then NO MORE BIG NAMES IN JUVENTUS all young players like miccolli di vaio maresca camoranesi and so on and so forth. now your gonna tell me that juve is the same as real madrid??? then you are on crack man

Originally posted by X-Ter

Its only a matter of time before chelsea try to buy nedved :rolleyes: :kader:

they already tried, no luck on doing so

Originally posted by Neutral LFC
Jealousy.

Unless you really expect me to believe that Juventus and Manchester United fans care about the small teams and if so I didn't see the outrage when United spent a crap load on RvN, Veron and Ferdinand, or when Juve spent 20+ million on Buffon and another 20+ million on Nedved.

They don't hand out trophies in October so quit whining and look forward to your respective teams' big name signings when the transfer deadline is over and think of ways you can somehow justify how 30 million pounds spent on a human being is OK but more than that and you've suddenly drawn the line and are some crazy Russian businessman.

And Chelsea fans - smile, you lucky gits! :)

Jealousy? No. If we were really "Jealous" as you say we are, we would be mocking Real Madrid every chance we get, but I sure as hell don't.

You forgot to mention Liverpool :rolleyes:

Houllier has spent over £100m mark during his time at Liverpool - BBC Website.

Originally posted by X-Ter
What is the point of buying another striker when they have mutu and crespo? :kader:

This was the beginning of the summer, i heard about it when in turkey, which was between the 18th jul and the 27th July, so then they didn't have Mutu or crespo :)

Originally posted by claupastore
oh please dont make me laugh :D
me? jealous of real madrid????
omg
i do care about small teams, so what juventus bought 3 big names 3 years ago (buffon(which came from parma, not a big team)nedved and thuram), since then NO MORE BIG NAMES IN JUVENTUS all young players like miccolli di vaio maresca camoranesi and so on and so forth. now your gonna tell me that juve is the same as real madrid??? then you are on crack man

So tell me WHAT the FUNDAMENTAL difference between big teams like United, Liverpool, Juventus and so on spending MILLIONS of pounds on players is ANY DIFFERENT from Real Madrid and Chelsea.

The whiners here say it is because Chelsea are buying 'everyone' this season - they were bought by a billionaire who is trying to improve the team - where is there a rule that says you can only buy 'X' amount of players per season? Then people complain that money like 70 million pounds is crazy money - what is the difference between 30 million and 70 million in the grand scheme of things - 99% of clubs out there can afford NEITHER amount and I would love someone to come on this forum here and justify how a human being is worth 30 million but NOT 70 million.

This anti-Chelsea and anti-Real sentiment, JUST because they buy players is rediculous because there is NO LOGIC and no logical arguments regarding them - instead it's just fans of teams who are full of millionaires complaining that another bunch of millionaires have MORE millionaires joining them.

Do you think Teams in Serie C have NO PROBLEM with Juventus or Roma spending money but put their hands on their hips and shake their heads at Chelsea and Real Madrid? All four of those teams are out of their leagues financially. This is like Steve Jobs complaining that Bill Gates is 'too rich'.

AND FINALLY,

I would rather teams like Real Madrid and Chelsea spend their millions on PLAYERS that improve the team and make their fans HAPPY than teams that keep the money to appease shareholders or to line the pockets of already rich owners.

If Bill Gates bought Liverpool you best believe I would bloody well expect him to spend money on us like there's no tommorow.

Originally posted by shokz
Jealousy? No. If we were really "Jealous" as you say we were, we would be mocking Real Madrid every chance we get, but I sure as hell don't.

You forgot to mention Liverpool(we had this before :rolleyes: )

Houllier has spent over £100m mark during his time at Liverpool - BBC Website.

Yes, but I have NEVER complained about any of these teams spending money. If you check my previous threads about this subject I have mentioned Liverpool as well. Liverpool's max. transfer fee was 11 million pounds - but that's still a REDICULOUS amount of money and that's why I don't open my mouth and b!tch about another bunch of millionaires spending MORE money and I sure as heck don't pretend that I'm complaining out of some altruistic care for smaller teams.

Is money 'ruining the game' - yes, but it's been doing so for the past 20 years and not with Chelsea or Real Madrid - rather than looking at clubs, look at TV contracts....

look, the article states that raul's agent confirmed that chelsea wanted him during the summer, and that may have been before they signed crespo and mutu. and this is his agent saying this...it's obviously a ploy to real to tell them up their ante.

with that said, raul isn't going anywhere. but i'm sure if roman wanted to, he would pay raul's clause out fee, which is around 180 million. roman doesn't care if he's got 4 quality strikers. he just wants another big name pet to go along with the rest of his litter.

Originally posted by Neutral LFC
Jealousy.

Unless you really expect me to believe that Juventus and Manchester United fans care about the small teams and if so I didn't see the outrage when United spent a crap load on RvN, Veron and Ferdinand, or when Juve spent 20+ million on Buffon and another 20+ million on Nedved.

They don't hand out trophies in October so quit whining and look forward to your respective teams' big name signings when the transfer deadline is over and think of ways you can somehow justify how 30 million pounds spent on a human being is OK but more than that and you've suddenly drawn the line and are some crazy Russian businessman.

And Chelsea fans - smile, you lucky gits! :)


the reason Juve splashed out cash that season was bcoz Zidane was sold for that record fee.

You don't see them buying a new team overnight.

Last seaon, Legrottaglie and Appiah were the only significant buy as Miccoli and Maresca were owned by Juve already.

I do care about smaller teams - maybe not all of them, but quite a few.

The club isn't even Chelsea anymore - its a buch of foreign players wearing blue jerseys. Its just not right. Juve, ManU and Milan weren't built overnight like Chelsea. Its been years and years of steady progress and not just a Russian bastard playing Football Tycoon with his club.

i have nothing negative to say about roman. he's obviously doing great things for chelsea, and their fans must be excited. it's a free market in soccer...just like baseball. if you're not going to have a salary cap, then it's survival of the fittest. like the yankees...they can buy the best players every year and buy their championships.

but like what ice said, chelsea isn't chelsea anymore. it's a collection of all stars put together. teams like real, united, milan have always had the backbone of home grown talent. but i dunno...some of you chelsea supporters will just say i'm one of those whiners. but cheers to chelsea, let's just when it is before roman gets bored with his pets.

plus chelsea over spend every year, which leaves them in debt, so they REALLy didn't deserve this

heh, why is it only fans of other rich teams bitching?

Chelsea bought Melchiot for relatively cheap before Roman arrived, ditto for Desailly and Gallas, their captain John Terry was from the youth system, and Carlo Cuddicini was plucked from Serie C which is a heck of a steal. Hasselbaink was bought a few years ago, as was Gudjohnsen, Lampard and Gronkjaer - those are quite a few players listed there that WERE NOT bought this year. And many of those players are in the starting line-up - clearly, Chelsea's squad building process didn't occur in a single year.

But of course, I'm using logic so I'll stop.



Can anyone tell me;

a) Why it is WRONG that Chelsea can buy so many players in one season.

b) What do you want to do about it (what should the new rule be for the maximum number of players you can buy in a season and what is the limit for the transfer value of those players)?

c) Now justify, logically, your answer for b).


That's all I'm asking for, just some logic and some reasoning as to why there is hostility if people aren't jealous or afraid, which they say they're not.

Please answer the questions, especially b & c - because I'm not being a smart ass, I just really want to know what people are thinking here.

The main reason Football leagues were started was to improve the quality of their domestic players by incorporating foreign talent.

Now its just a bunch of foreign players who want to make big bucks.

Juve's core has always been Italian and a few foreign players to plug in the gaps.

Del Piero, Miccoli, Di Vaio, Maresca, Tacchinardi, Ferrara, Legrottaglie, Zambrotta, Birindelli, Pessotto, Buffon, Conte, Mirante, Chimenti. - all Italian... and i haven't taken Camoranesi into consideration. Milan, Roma etc have a lot of Italian players too.

on the other hand, Chelsea have what... Lampard and Joe Cole ?

thats just sad.


if anyone starts saying stuff like "the EPL is the best coz of Chelsea" he deserves a kick in the nuts. Almost every player is an import - its just ex Serie A and La Liga players exhibiting their talent. Chelsea as a club has nothing to do with it.

ahem and france.

Originally posted by Amika
OMG....:eek: :rolleyes:

ahahaha! :X :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny:

We already have a thread on this I believe. :mrpimp:

http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?threadid=75463

and john terry, and wayne bridge

I think it's sad Chelsea only have 6 Englishmen on the team, and half of them barely play. Chelsea are hogging all of the Star-Studded talent. They are greedy sons of bitches and Roman is an insecure **** for thinking he can play God by purchasing any player he wishes. There should be a rule against this. It's sickening. It ain't about footie anymore, it's all about how much money you can spend by bringing in all of the Star-Studded talent onto one team. It sad, some of these English clubs can't even rely on their English-born players. Chelsea should be called All-Star United or something, this is horrible for footie.

The EPL would be **** without foreighn players as oppose to the Italian and Spanish leagues who can do without foreighn players.

Chelsea are going to have problems on their hands very soon. Too many big personalities will be sitting on the bench. Plus, Ranieri is a complete wanker and is bound to p*ss someone off with all the team-tinkering he loves so much.

Originally posted by IceBlu
The club isn't even Chelsea anymore - its a buch of foreign players wearing blue jerseys. Its just not right. Juve, ManU and Milan weren't built overnight like Chelsea. Its been years and years of steady progress and not just a Russian bastard playing Football Tycoon with his club.

I have to agree with u on this because i have been reading a football history book since completely the beginning of football in 1989 i believe or somewhere near that. It has literally everything on english clubs exactly what they got up to every season, the world cups f.a cups, chapions leagues, uefa cups everything apart from the other leagues in europe.

And I see that chelsea are hardly mentioned in the book but man u, arsenal, real madrid, juventus and all those good teams right now are mentioned all the time. i realise that all those good and famous teams are always the best in their leagues and it will stay like that. Some teams do go down but most are really good.

So i doubt chelsea will win the league they might end up second or third but never first

Originally posted by IceBlu
The main reason Football leagues were started was to improve the quality of their domestic players by incorporating foreign talent.

Ice,

Bro, PROFESSIONAL Football Leagues were started to MAKE MONEY, that's why they built stands, that's why they sell tickets, that's why they pay the players and the coaches, and that's why they have huge TV deals.

The SOLE PURPOSE of Serie A or the EPL is not to improve the quality of the national team - it's to make money.

And you're still skirting around the issue, o.k. so Chelsea don't have that many English players (except for Lampard, Terry, Cole, Bridge and Johnson - 6 of them) - what does that have to do with Abramovic spending lots of money? You're jumping from point to point here, and it's not just you but a lot of people in this thread - just solidify a logical argument that has to do with Chelsea spending lots of money - and the best way to do this is to ANSWER those three questions I posed before.

And Ice, c'mon Nedved does a little more than 'plug in the gaps' - he's bloody amazing. [but I digress]

Originally posted by X-Ter
And I see that chelsea are hardly mentioned in the book but man u, arsenal, real madrid, juventus and all those good teams right now are mentioned all the time. i realise that all those good and famous teams are always the best in their leagues and it will stay like that. Some teams do go down but most are really good.

So i doubt chelsea will win the league they might end up second or third but never first

Okaaaay, that is a very snobby way of looking at things. So what, other teams aren't allowed to come up, aren't allowed to have ambition? They're supposed to accept their place as a second tier team? Good thing the world doesn't work like that, otherwise the poor would just stay poor...wait...most of the time they do.....

Btw, you seemed to have ignored the club that's won the most English League Titles and the English club with the most European Cups....


Btw, please don't think I love Chelsea here, I don't, but I do like some of their players (esp. Mutu and Jimmy) and I give major props to Roman for spending money because unlike other private owners (like Doug Ellis) he is a FOOTBALL FAN and he's putting his money into making his team better. Those who say they wouldn't do the same thing if they were in his position are either lying, don't like winning or just aren't football fans.

Originally posted by Neutral LFC
Ice,

Bro, PROFESSIONAL Football Leagues were started to MAKE MONEY, that's why they built stands, that's why they sell tickets, that's why they pay the players and the coaches, and that's why they have huge TV deals.

The SOLE PURPOSE of Serie A or the EPL is not to improve the quality of the national team - it's to make money.

And you're still skirting around the issue, o.k. so Chelsea don't have that many English players (except for Lampard, Terry, Cole, Bridge and Johnson - 6 of them) - what does that have to do with Abramovic spending lots of money? You're jumping from point to point here, and it's not just you but a lot of people in this thread - just solidify a logical argument that has to do with Chelsea spending lots of money - and the best way to do this is to ANSWER those three questions I posed before.

And Ice, c'mon Nedved does a little more than 'plug in the gaps' - he's bloody amazing. [but I digress]

i dont know about EPL and la liga, but seria A wasnt started to make money as you said, go and read a book of football history as i've done and then youll learn that it wasnt always like it is today. when the italian league started in the final years of the decade of 1890, stadiums didnt had stants and there was no TV in case you didnt knew that. it was just young boys that organized themselves to play the sport they loved. now, young boys still play the sport they love but big bussines man just worry anout ruining their dream.
you dont see the italian league trying to buy all the stars every summer as opposed to other leagues. we worry a lot about our young teams, specially juventus milan roma and inter.
those teams spend lots and lots of money creating camps for young players all around the world and they dont worry about buying a big star every summer just becuase they want to and cuz they have the money.
Juventus spends tons of money doing charity and stuff like that and they dont worry about buying and buying.

Originally posted by BVD-BorussDort
There should be a rule against this. It's sickening. It ain't about footie anymore, it's all about how much money you can spend by bringing in all of the Star-Studded talent onto one team. It sad, some of these English clubs can't even rely on their English-born players. Chelsea should be called All-Star United or something, this is horrible for footie.

Okay, we seem to be getting somewhere, so you want a RULE AGAINST THIS - okay,

Gimme the Rule.

Tell me it - lay out some hypothetical laws and your reasoning for them. That's what I'm asking for.

Originally posted by BVD-BorussDort
The EPL would be **** without foreighn players as oppose to the Italian and Spanish leagues who can do without foreighn players.

I did not know that Aimar, Roberto Carlos, Ronaldo, Zidane, Beckham, Nihat, Kovacevic, Kluivert, Figo, Nedved, Trezuget, Tudor, Shevchenko, Rui Costa, Seedorf, Chivu, Emerson, Nakata, Lopez, Conceicao, Recoba and so on were either Spanish or Italian.

What next, you gonna tell me Rosicky, Koller, Mahadavikhia, Makaay, Santa Cruz, Ailton, Micoud, Amoroso, Pizzaro, Franca, Basturk, and Ewerthon are German?

It's an INTERNATIONAL GAME, get used to it. Diversity is cool.

Originally posted by claupastore
i dont know about EPL and la liga, but seria A wasnt started to make money as you said, go and read a book of football history as i've done and then youll learn that it wasnt always like it is today. when the italian league started in the final years of the decade of 1890, stadiums didnt had stants and there was no TV in case you didnt knew that. it was just young boys that organized themselves to play the sport they loved. now, young boys still play the sport they love but big bussines man just worry anout ruining their dream.
you dont see the italian league trying to buy all the stars every summer as opposed to other leagues. we worry a lot about our young teams, specially juventus milan roma and inter.
those teams spend lots and lots of money creating camps for young players all around the world and they dont worry about buying a big star every summer just becuase they want to and cuz they have the money.
Juventus spends tons of money doing charity and stuff like that and they dont worry about buying and buying.

Okay,

1)That's why it was STARTED - I know you're not naive to think that's the reason why it continues to this day.

2)Chelsea are not in Serie A, so why again is Abramovic a 'Russian Bastard'?

3)Answer my three questions - I'm NOT being a smart ass, I think this is a good topic but people need to solidify their 'anger' against Chelsea into something that makes some sense and has a smidgen of logic.

" I give major props to Roman for spending money because unlike other private owners (like Doug Ellis) he is a FOOTBALL FAN and he's putting his money into making his team better"

thats true, but i think that a better way to make your team better (not in the present but in the long run) is to spend the freakin money in the youth teams!!! and not in stars that will stop playing in a manner of years. youth team is the future but some people just dont care about that and keep buying every star they want because they look good or like Real Madrid that bought beckham because he was going the sell lots of jersey, thats just stupid. can you tell me that real need that guy??? i dont think so. did they needed ronaldo?? no, they they needed zidane? probably not, but they just want to have the best team ever and thats what i dont like. and dont think that i dont like real, i watch all their games and i enjoey it, but it just aint right

"a) Why it is WRONG that Chelsea can buy so many players in one season.

b) What do you want to do about it (what should the new rule be for the maximum number of players you can buy in a season and what is the limit for the transfer value of those players)?

c) Now justify, logically, your answer for b)"

a- its ethically wrong for me to take a crappy team and spend all my money in it to make it the best or something like that (money that had nothing to do with chelsea, just like real got all that money from the government).

b- i dont want to do anything about it nor i want a new rule, i just wonder how can a real madrid fan or chelsea fan be so excited of that happening? they didnt do anything to win all of that money, it just came along, i guess you can call it luck.

c- just did

Stop the Bitching peoples. Do you really think your opinion is going to change the world? and change Roman's mind and approach.

Also there happen to be teams who have also bought 11 players during the summers in the past years. Whats wrong with Chelsea doing it to a bigger extent?

For 1/10th of a billion dollars you could friggen buy your own soccer league!

Originally posted by claupastore

a- its ethically wrong for me to take a crappy team and spend all my money in it to make it the best or something like that (money that had nothing to do with chelsea, just like real got all that money from the government).


How is it 'ethically' wrong to do so. Ethically is a strong word and I think you should back that up rather than just throwing the term out that. You say it's money that had NOTHING to do with Chelsea - erm, that's money belonging to their OWNER - that has EVERYTHING to do with Chelsea.

Why is it unethical? Is it then unethical to then, as a business owner, buy a struggling cornershop and then put money into it and making it successful? Why is that unethical?

As for Real, get your fact's straight, they SOLD their training ground to get that money, they didn't get money for free.

"As for Real, get your fact's straight, they SOLD their training ground to get that money, they didn't get money for free."

yeah, money that came from the govt!

the money that their president has wasnt made while he was president, he already had it and brought it to buy stars.

ill give you an example to explain why i think its unethical:
lets say i suck at boxing ok? ok. now, let say that you are the best at boxing, ok? ok. now, before i didnt had any money, and now i got this guy that with his own money offered my all this kind of drugs to improve my performace without me doing a thing and now i can beat you up. did i did right? i dont think so

now i know that your gonna say, well abramovich aint givin any drugs to his players....my point is that he is bringin all of this great stars that can make a crap team a champion team. thats why i , and im saying I, dont think that its right. im not saying that you should say im right, cuz in this case as in many others theres no right or wrong.

ok heres what i have to say about all this -

People have worked hard for years to make certain clubs what they are today. Hundreds if not thousands of people work behind the scenes at each club.

The money these clubs have accumulated have come ofver a period of time due to these people.and suddenly a Russian with nothing bette to do, comes up and makes all that look wee in comparison. He is spending money that isn't Chelsea money - not football money.

I can understand if he started off conservatively and then build on every year and made a strong club ... but this is just sickening.

just wath i've been trying to say but this neutral doesnt get it :crazyboy:
another reason why its unethical!!!!!

Originally posted by Neutral LFC
As for Real, get your fact's straight, they SOLD their training ground to get that money, they didn't get money for free.

actually the way real madrid sold that piece of land was quite shady.

Someone just deleted my post on this page.

yeah :| i was just reading that ! :kader:

Originally posted by Jedi Mind Trick
actually the way real madrid sold that piece of land was quite shady.

it was but lets not get into that to not piss people:rolleyes:

IceBlue, how come someone deteled it? :|

Originally posted by BVD-BorussDort
Someone just deleted my post on this page.

yeah WTF!!!!
at least i read it lol but seriously someone is messing up with this

Originally posted by IceBlu
He is spending money that isn't Chelsea money - not football money.
Not to mention it's probably dirty money as well.

Originally posted by BVD-BorussDort
IceBlue, how come someone deteled it? :| f*ck knows ! .... and who deleted it ... it was a good post ..

just write it again if possible i guess.


Originally posted by Run DMB
Not to mention it's probably dirty money as well.


agreed

Originally posted by Run DMB
Not to mention it's probably dirty money as well.

probably from the russian mafia:o

Originally posted by claupastore
it was but lets not get into that to not piss people:rolleyes:

shhh!...

First, I don't appreciate person(s) deleting my post. What I said was totally valid and relevant to the topic. I’m not sure who did it, but whoever did is a daft-prick.

Originally posted by Neutral LFC
Okay, we seem to be getting somewhere, so you want a RULE AGAINST THIS - okay,

Gimme the Rule.

Tell me it - lay out some hypothetical laws and your reasoning for them. That's what I'm asking for.


A rule on how much money you can spend per season, perhaps? Or, a rule on the amount of players you can purchase per season. I think this would be fair, and certainly give under-achieving teams a shot at purchasing star-players.

Originally posted by Neutral LFC
I did not know that Aimar, Roberto Carlos, Ronaldo, Zidane, Beckham, Nihat, Kovacevic, Kluivert, Figo, Nedved, Trezuget, Tudor, Shevchenko, Rui Costa, Seedorf, Chivu, Emerson, Nakata, Lopez, Conceicao, Recoba and so on were either Spanish or Italian.

What next, you gonna tell me Rosicky, Koller, Mahadavikhia, Makaay, Santa Cruz, Ailton, Micoud, Amoroso, Pizzaro, Franca, Basturk, and Ewerthon are German?

It's an INTERNATIONAL GAME, get used to it. Diversity is cool.

You've totally mis-read my post. I have no problems with diversity, I think it's great too, but their should be a fine line between having a certain amount of foreign players on one team. Roberto Carlos, Ronaldo, Zidane, Beckham, and Figo are minorities when you take into consideration that they are on a Spanish team that is comprised of 17 Spaniards. All of the other players you've mentioned are all minorities in there respective German, Italian, and Spanish clubs. Chelsea are a club that are comprised of foreign stars with only 6 Englishmen. That’s pretty sad, I might add.

as for a rule about limiting a number of player a team can buy in the offseason, it not only gives smaller and under-achieving teams a chance to stay competitive or buy player, but it allows them to KEEP their own players. for example, if i were an everton fan, i'd be scared that a team like chelsea would offer a load of cash for rooney with no qualms, and it's not like everton's a small team either.

anyways, this whole argument is the same thing americans are having about baseball. salary cap? or no salary cap? the yankees have been doing this for years...but i have never seen anything like what roman and chelsea have been doing.

You guys need to stop bitching. If they have the money and they want to spend it why not:confused: its tehre club desicion not yours. Also what is the perpose of winning things and getting money to BUY stuff for your club if there is a limit!? and last even if he spends that much his team is still not GREAT as all of you are saying. BJK beat them 2-0 so it shows they arnt that great.

Also Real Madrid sold there training ground for a lot of money:rolleyes:

Only people that read Barca newspapers and hear it from there say that the govt give them money, so get your facts stright next time;)

Originally posted by Jedi Mind Trick
as for a rule about limiting a number of player a team can buy in the offseason, it not only gives smaller and under-achieving teams a chance to stay competitive or buy player, but it allows them to KEEP their own players. for example, if i were an everton fan, i'd be scared that a team like chelsea would offer a load of cash for rooney with no qualms, and it's not like everton's a small team either.

anyways, this whole argument is the same thing americans are having about baseball. salary cap? or no salary cap? the yankees have been doing this for years...but i have never seen anything like what roman and chelsea have been doing.

Ok if Everton got a huge fee amount for Ronney and they accteped they would have a lot of money to BUY players so they could replace him if that happend.

Also with Yankees even thou they buy a lot they dont always win.;)

And last just cuz they have a team of "superstars" it dosnt mean they are unbeatable:)

Originally posted by TottiNZidaneR#1
You guys need to stop bitching.

im gonna bitch all i want and not gonna stop when you say so

if you dont like it then dont come to the forums and dont hear other peoples opinion.

if i want i could say that you are bitching for me to stop bitching!
thats what forums are, to bitch about stuff and to argue with people, of course, without pissing off people. just some good chat

Originally posted by TottiNZidaneR#1
Only people that read Barca newspapers and hear it from there say that the govt give them money, so get your facts stright next time;)

ok, im not gonna say its true or it aint, but if lots and lots of people talk about it, something wrong has to be going on there

Originally posted by claupastore
im gonna bitch all i want and not gonna stop when you say so

if you dont like it then dont come to the forums and dont hear other peoples opinion.

if i want i could say that you are bitching for me to stop bitching!
thats what forums are, to bitch about stuff and to argue with people, of course, without pissing off people. just some good chat


hahah thats the spirit ! :rockman: (H)

Any team that wants to spend money should look at this year's World Series where the NY Yankees lost to the Florida Marlins.

Yankees:

C Posada: Yankee System
1st Giambi: From Oakland (Nick Johnson from Yankee System)
2nd Soriano/Almonte? (farm system)
SS Jeter (farm system) & Enrique Wilson (Cleveland)
3B Boone (From Cincinnati)
RF Mondesi (from LA Dodgers)
CF Williams (farm system)
LF Matsui (from Japan)

Spent a ton of bread on pitchers:

Mussina (Baltimore)
Clemens (Bosox/Toronto; 300 game winner)
Wells (journeyman)
Contreras (from Cuba)
Pettite, Rivera (farm system)

That's the significants.

Look what Florida did against the high rollers; their transactions:

C Rodriguez (best acquisition from Texas. AWESOME W/PITCHERS & Defense. Has Gap 99 Power w/20 + HR a year)
1st Lee (farm system)
2nd Castillo (farm system)
SS Gonzales (farm system, not the Alex Gonzales from Toronto; this is a diff'rent one)
3B Lowell (farm system)
RF Encarnacion (from Cincinnati)
CF Pierre (from Colorado)
LF Conine (journeyman)

For pitching: Beckett, Penny, Willis, (top 3 from farm system STARTERS) w/Redman (Minnesota) & Pavano (Montreal) & RELIEVERS Fox (farm system?), Looper (farm system; CLOSER) Urbina (from Boston; helped CLOSING for stretch).

Only significant transactions were Rodriguez & Urbina IMPACTED THE SERIES. Pierre is a table setter, real young as is Encarnacion. Conine a helpful veteran journeyman.

And Willis and Cabrera came up from the Carolina Mudcats in Zebulon NC (equal to England Div 2 or other nations' 3rd Div) w/Cabrera being placed in CLEANUP same as the all world BARRY BONDS, SAMMY SOSA, ETC.

I guess its how you spend your money within the system.

wtf?

what football or soccer team is that???:crazyboy:

Chelsea last season with all their ENGLISH players came fourth and were able to go into the champions league. Now this season the russion SOAB came in and started buying players that were really good. I mean Manchester United gave away Veron to Chelsea and Beckham to Real Madrid and bought just Djemba-Djemba, Howard and Ronaldo. The other players he bought hardly ever play like Kleberson. Now Man Utd could have bought all those players that Chelsea bought, not sold Beckham and they still wouldn't have been in debt.

Now the point I'm trying to make here is that you can have the best team by buying the best players but there is another way. How did Fulham beat Man Utd this season? How did Leeds beat Arsenal last season? Do Fulham and Leeds have top class players like Real Madrid? NO. And they still beat those really good teams.

HOW? THEY PLAYED LIKE A TEAM. THEY WANTED TO WIN. So my point is that you do not need excellent players like Raul or Crespo (Yes you DO need them of course but thats not it) you need to play like a team. It's not completely money and good players, it's the fact that YOU NEED TO WANT TO WIN

Thank You for paying attention to my excellent lecture. :$

Originally posted by Jeff of NC
Any team that wants to spend money should look at this year's World Series where the NY Yankees lost to the Florida Marlins.

Yankees:

C Posada: Yankee System
1st Giambi: From Oakland (Nick Johnson from Yankee System)
2nd Soriano/Almonte? (farm system)
SS Jeter (farm system) & Enrique Wilson (Cleveland)
3B Boone (From Cincinnati)
RF Mondesi (from LA Dodgers)
CF Williams (farm system)
LF Matsui (from Japan)

Spent a ton of bread on pitchers:

Mussina (Baltimore)
Clemens (Bosox/Toronto; 300 game winner)
Wells (journeyman)
Contreras (from Cuba)
Pettite, Rivera (farm system)

That's the significants.

Look what Florida did against the high rollers; their transactions:

C Rodriguez (best acquisition from Texas. AWESOME W/PITCHERS & Defense. Has Gap 99 Power w/20 + HR a year)
1st Lee (farm system)
2nd Castillo (farm system)
SS Gonzales (farm system, not the Alex Gonzales from Toronto; this is a diff'rent one)
3B Lowell (farm system)
RF Encarnacion (from Cincinnati)
CF Pierre (from Colorado)
LF Conine (journeyman)

For pitching: Beckett, Penny, Willis, (top 3 from farm system STARTERS) w/Redman (Minnesota) & Pavano (Montreal) & RELIEVERS Fox (farm system?), Looper (farm system; CLOSER) Urbina (from Boston; helped CLOSING for stretch).

Only significant transactions were Rodriguez & Urbina IMPACTED THE SERIES. Pierre is a table setter, real young as is Encarnacion. Conine a helpful veteran journeyman.

And Willis and Cabrera came up from the Carolina Mudcats in Zebulon NC (equal to England Div 2 or other nations' 3rd Div) w/Cabrera being placed in CLEANUP same as the all world BARRY BONDS, SAMMY SOSA, ETC.

I guess its how you spend your money within the system.

Who the hell watches baseball?...

Originally posted by claupastore
im gonna bitch all i want and not gonna stop when you say so

if you dont like it then dont come to the forums and dont hear other peoples opinion.

if i want i could say that you are bitching for me to stop bitching!
thats what forums are, to bitch about stuff and to argue with people, of course, without pissing off people. just some good chat

Ok, if this is your only response to my responses then plz stop talking. I have clearly won this debate if this is your only response to my whole post which you prolly didnt even read:rolleyes: go back and read my post you might, YOU JUST MIGHT get a little smarter then you are right now you dumbass.

Also just becuse a lot of people talk about doesnt mean ****. Real Madrid sold there training ground for a ****load of money. Next time you should go to a real source other then hearing what other people said about how Real Madrid got so rich.

Originally posted by shokz
Who the hell watches baseball?...

Its good to watch the highlights when they shows all the hits and stuff but if i watch the whole match it bores the hell outta me:kader:

Originally posted by TottiNZidaneR#1
Its good to watch the highlights when they shows all the hits and stuff but if i watch the whole match it bores the hell outta me:kader:

:funny: You make my laugh my arse off at times. :funny:

Originally posted by shokz
:funny: You make my laugh my arse off at times. :funny:

Well, at least i make someones days good..... at times:D

I think there are a lot of feelings in football, and someone like Roman who just arrives and thinks that he an buy anything with his money ... I don't like this kind of people. They reach to the top but they don't care what or how many peole the have sacrified to reach there. I don't like their values.

All this people who suports Roman, have you thought what may happen to chelsea when he gets tired of this toy?

In spain there's a argentinian rich man who has bought a club from 2nd div. I don't remember the name of the club but it's from a village very close to Madrid. Now alll the players and staff are argentinian, only argentinian (Of course many of them with EU passport). He hasn't bought big stars, maybe because he doesn't have so much money, but I think it the same. He bought a club as any of us can buy CM4, just to play.

Also another millionarie called Pitterman bought 1st div Racing Santander last season.

rich kids.... :rolleyes:



Originally posted by TottiNZidaneR#1


Also just becuse a lot of people talk about doesnt mean ****. Real Madrid sold there training ground for a ****load of money. Next time you should go to a real source other then hearing what other people said about how Real Madrid got so rich.


what do u mean by a "real" source? :confused:

usually when there's something dirty in a club, their rival's press explains it very well, while it's press tries to silenciate it.

So when you want to know how bad things are done in barcelona, read madrid press and believe only half of the things you're reading. This works the same in the other way round.

and btw, the selling of the trainig ground smells very very bad ... as i'm a barcelona supporter, don't believe me if you don't want to, but don't breathe when you're reading anything about that. All this was already discused long time ago, and I don't want to go into it.



In any case I think Madrid and Chelsea cases are different. Madrid doesn't belong to a single person and its future doesn't depent on how this person will wake up tomorrow. That's a problem Chelsea has, I think.

Madrid money comes from the club (or the gov... ;) ) and it's an effort of all its members (not shareholders) while chelsea money comes from a only person with very doubtfull reputation.

Originally posted by X-Ter
HOW? THEY PLAYED LIKE A TEAM. THEY WANTED TO WIN. So my point is that you do not need excellent players like Raul or Crespo (Yes you DO need them of course but thats not it) you need to play like a team. It's not completely money and good players, it's the fact that YOU NEED TO WANT TO WIN

Thank You for paying attention to my excellent lecture. :$

So you're upset that Chelsea are NOT doing what they should be doing to win? I'm not following here, so what you're saying is that you're main complaint against Chelsea and why there is such an uproar is because they are going about winning in a way that will ultimately be UNsuccesful? So why are you so upset, aren't you a Man U fan?


By the way, does anyone here have any reputable articles as to why Abramovic is a 'shady' character, apart from this 80s-esque paranoia of anything Russian.

Originally posted by panxoman
They reach to the top but they don't care what or how many peole the have sacrified to reach there.

Who has Abramovic sacrificed to reach the top? Who did he kill or maim to sign Crespo? I thought he paid MONEY to get these players.....money that Inter, Parma, Real, Blackburn and Southampton have now.

I'm sure many russian people would tell you what he has sacrified to pay all this players

Originally posted by shokz
Who the hell watches baseball?...

GO CUBS! :(

Originally posted by panxoman
I'm sure many russian people would tell you what he has sacrified to pay all this players

Unfortunately I don't know many Russian people, so can you please tell me what he has sacrificed and give me some reputable links to back it up. There are a ton of online news sources such as Reuters, CNN and so on where you could find info if Roman is indeed a nasty fellow.

Originally posted by IceBlu
there needs to be some sort of f*ckin restriction. you can't just go about buying any player under the sun just because you can - its just wrong. How do u expect smaller clubs to compete ?


Like Juve is a smaller club:)
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But I know what you mean. Just sounded funny. I actually think wage restrictions would be more important than transfer ones, as that is what outs the most burdon on smaller clubs, as clubs can MAKE money from large transfers. Most superstars start out at a small club.

I personally think there is nothing really wrong with trying to improve sth with money although I STRONGLY FEEL that Abramovic is doing it a bit excessively, that's cuz he has the money to do so.

Let's say you're a medium class someone that has just won the lottery (parallel to Chelsea being bought by Mr A. that has loads of money). What are you gonna do? Of course your will try to buy stuff(I'm not saying to use up all your money at once but you'll want to buy lots). New house with imported furniture...a couple of new imported European cars.....new clothes...etc.. You will want to make a name for yourself...(a bit of showing off etc). That's what Abramovic is doing at Chelsea. He just has loads of money and he's trying to create a good team that's why he is buying (although a bit excessively as I have mentioned before). He just wants to have an awesome team right now, that's not saying he won't invest in the youth. Of course he will, if not those people in the Chelsea management office will remind him about it. He's not trying to ruin Chelsea, he's just giving it a boost for the NOW instead of waiting a bit more.

Trust me Chelsea's youth system will improve with that kind of money...it's not just him making the decisions...there will be advisors and the manager.

And Chelsea is not exactly buying up the competition...the amount he paid for the players is unbelieveable.. and as someone said before those teams that sold to them can use that money to improve themselves in other ways...Sport competitions has become more commercially in the past 2 decades. It has grown from competition into businesses and Abramovic et al is just applying the business philosophy which is business competition (ruthless aggression).

P.S. I have a feeling that Abramovic is playing CM with Chelsea. Hehehe.. I would buy like him in CM if I had the money there for Arsenal...lol

In order of preference I'm an Ajax, Juventus, Barcelona and Arsenal fan (<--see I'm no Chelsea fan but I like them) in their respective leagues. There is no team that I really hate....I just like these more.

i made my point clear a long time ago, if neutral and tottinzidane dont get it, too bad, i wont bother to explain to them something that obvious. if they dont get it let them be. who caresand btw i nor anybody else has to backup their opions as neutral wants. because as its called, its just a freacking opinion not a fact!
if you dont like my opinion dont come and insult me, just dont read it and move to the next thread!

"Ok, if this is your only response to my responses then plz stop talking"

again your telling me to shut up? man something is really messed up in your head. so you come to a forum and tell people to shut the hell up and dont express whatever they want? then i wont say what you need to do.........

"I have clearly won this debate if this is your only response to my whole post which you prolly didnt even read"

ok like i care if you think you won the "debate"...hell, i didnt even knew somebody had to win it.
the response that i gave you was to the line that i quoted from you in case you dont know how to read a post. i dont care about the other stuff you said, cuz as i have my points you also have yours and i wont try to fight them cuz with some people its just a waste of time.

i dont f*cking care about real madrid or chelsea, they can do whatever they want as always. im just saying like the other guys that is not fair for the competition and the football....if you only care about making your team (altough it aint, but im sure youll be happy if your team got a president like the russian dude) a huge mine of gold, but the gold didnt came from you, just somebody that dumped it in your bank accounts, and then buying a bunch of stars with that money then go ahead and dont bother answering this post or do whatever you want...after all, its a f*cking forum and you and i can do whatever we want. so dont you ever tell me to shut up again

Originally posted by claupastore
i made my point clear a long time ago, if neutral and tottinzidane dont get it, too bad, i wont bother to explain to them something that obvious. if they dont get it let them be. who caresand btw i nor anybody else has to backup their opions as neutral wants. because as its called, its just a freacking opinion not a fact!
if you dont like my opinion dont come and insult me, just dont read it and move to the next thread!

Then perhaps you should not state your opinion as fact. And you can't bother to explain something 'that obvious' because it doesn't make any sense.

And I didn't insult you so no need to get all sensitive.

you didnt but the other guy did....
i know you know how to behave in here

Didn't Roman try to loan-off J. Cole to Lokomotiv Moskva? :kader:

i dunno if that was the team, but yea he did have the audacity to loan cole off to russia.

Originally posted by Neutral LFC
Unfortunately I don't know many Russian people, so can you please tell me what he has sacrificed and give me some reputable links to back it up. There are a ton of online news sources such as Reuters, CNN and so on where you could find info if Roman is indeed a nasty fellow.


All this money could be better used in his country where many people is starving or freezing, many services have to developed. If you want to find info about this you just have to look for information about social and economical situation in Russia.

If he wants to use his money, I think it would be better use it in more important things than a football club in another country.

Unless he only cares about his ego ... and that's what I don't like.

Sell Raul, buy 3 defender.

Originally posted by claupastore
what football or soccer team is that???:crazyboy:

The last sentence of what I wrote is where the point was made.

"A team that spends its money correctly within their system to acquire the right talent wins (no matter how the budget is)".

From the top of my head:

The $100 Million NY Yankees payroll (w/World Series toughened players) lost to the roughly $25 Million Florida Marlins baseball team (w/lots of young players). Think of it as Real Madrid losing the Champions League Final to Hansa Rostock (if for example Rostock spent their limited $ on Pele & Beckenbauer to shore up the offense/defense vs. the massive Real Talent).

Amen.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with what Roman is doing right now.

The underlying principle of FREE TRADE is that BOTH SIDES BENEFIT. If Blackburn are willing to sell Duff for 15 million, then they see themselves benefiting from the trade as well, though not necessarily benefiting on the football field. (Why would you purposely try to screw yourself over?) Having said that, I don't think its "unfair" or "Unethical" for Chelsea to get all these players, because other teams feel that they have benefited in some way by selling their players to Chelsea. They could use the extra money to buy other players, or improve their stadium, training grounds, etc.

To the person who said Roman should invest in YOUTH, and not stars: He is. He's already spent to build a new training ground for the youth team, so they no longer have to use the facilities of Imperial College

lol.........hehe
you dont see anything wrong maybe cuz you are a chelsea fan????:crazyboy:

i ont even care anymore about this:rolleyes:

Originally posted by claupastore
lol.........hehe
you dont see anything wrong maybe cuz you are a chelsea fan????:crazyboy:

i ont even care anymore about this:rolleyes:

well as a Chelsea fan obviously I'm glad to be getting all these good players. I'm just saying that its not "unfair" for Chelsea to buy all these players because the clubs who sell their players feel that they beneftted or at least are justly compensated from the trade as well.

It's plenty fair actually. If he has the money, let him spend.

Originally posted by cchow32
well as a Chelsea fan obviously I'm glad to be getting all these good players. I'm just saying that its not "unfair" for Chelsea to buy all these players because the clubs who sell their players feel that they beneftted or at least are justly compensated from the trade as well.

i know what you mean, and i never said its not fair for chelsea...
but i would never like (suppose my team wasnt as rich as juve is:crazyboy: ) that a guy would come to the team and spend all his money on buying stars just because he wants to build a great team. i dont think that thats how you build a great team, it needs a lot of years and effort, just like Chievo are doing, and they dont have any stars, but they play like a team. and seems to me that the russian guy doesnt care about all of that, and that to me is what football is all about, not about who has more money! that why i dont like what he is doing, but again , is not that i dont like chelsea:crazyboy: