PES 3 for PC is the only other Soccer game i ahve ever played in my life. I have only played FIFA up till this year since 97, I have owned every version and watched them add one or two features here, and take out 5 features each year so you can buy the next years version and hope it will be an improvement. I just downloaded the PES 3 PC demo after receiving my FIFA 2004 PC copy, playing it for 5 minutes, uninstalling it and snapping both CD's in 2 and my eyes have been opened.

The football game of my dreams is here. When are they releasing PES 3. Enough is enough. At least the NBA Live team and NHL and Madden improve each year, the FIFA team has ******* lost it, how can you not save replays? How can you not configure your gamepad. This is the year 2003, what the hell

i think that the fifa team needs 2 or 3 years pause and a new programmer-team (mmmhh maybe japanese??) before launching their next football game.

i have played fifa 2004 PC and its really sh1t made in worst (!) quality ...
the only footballgame for soccer fans is PES3 now and if konami gets enough sales, then PES4 and PES5 (:crazyboy: ) will also be released on PC ... cant wait for next year !!!!!!!!:rockman:

agree

and they will need a better image after they will loose it in the next months ...

you can't save replays in 2004???? I am so glad PES3 demo was released...I have seen the light and it shines gloriously on my back!!!!

This year EA will truely get their asses kicked.

http://www.soccergaming.tv/forumdisplay.php?forumid=59

Fifa 2004 is imo the worst FIFA yet, in terms of gameplay. PES3, here I come!

the sad thing is sooo much was expected of 2004 especially after 2003...oh well...thank God for Konami

i am so tired of EA
everything they do since 98 is ****
NO FU g RAin or any weather effects
and i dont know how many other problems are in that game


my money this year is going to konami

Yes, and people give them the benefit of the doubt every year & they keep messing around with people's trust.

Those guys are the Scientology of the gaming world: They always keep smiling, even when their pants are on fire.

I was just thinking about all the people who downloaded the game and cancelled their pre-order one or two days before the release. I really would like to know the number of pre-orders and the actual shipped games, hehehe :)

One other funny thing is that there's a level-of-detail setting which is all messed up (the distance to which a lower detailed model/texture gets displayed).

They made all those detailed faces and earrings, ponytails (like beckham), wrist bands, etc. And they are only visible when playing in max zoom or in cutscenes.

So basically they wasted hours of work on that, lol!

over in the ea forums there are sooo many threads like this one.. i wonder why ea doesnt react !!! the game must be a joke. they make 2 steps forward but 5 steps backward .. its just shi* !!! :kader:

Just read my sig...and EA stop stealing candy from kids who dont know ****...:f***:

EA ruined the SG FIFA 2004 forum, let alone the game, look at the place, its a joke compared to what it was when the demo came out. :evil:

:evil: :evil: :evil:

Having played PES3 PC demo I have to say that it is the second worst PS->PC port I've seen, the first being ISS3. And having now played FIFA I have to say that the game is great. Only things that I don't like in FIFA are the blatant mistakes in player evaluation.

<unconstructive>dumbass</unconstructive>

Originally posted by hollowi
Having played PES3 PC demo I have to say that it is the second worst PS->PC port I've seen,

wrong metal gear solid is the worst one.

laughs at the cheap quality control of fifa.

Originally posted by hollowi
Having played PES3 PC demo I have to say that it is the second worst PS->PC port I've seen, the first being ISS3.

You are SO wrong. This is not a bad port at all. You just need a fast system to run it. And that is not because it is a bad port, it's just that kind of system hungry game. If you have a decent system, it runs perfectly. Metal Gear Solid, GTA3 are 2 ports that were far worsely done than PES3. And what's more, this is just the demo you are playing - you can't make this judgement call without having played the full version. It will be far more polished and stable than the demo.


Originally posted by hollowi
And having now played FIFA I have to say that the game is great. Only things that I don't like in FIFA are the blatant mistakes in player evaluation.

Oh dear. Really not much i can say to this. I pity you.

Originally posted by hollowi
Having played PES3 PC demo I have to say that it is the second worst PS->PC port I've seen, the first being ISS3. And having now played FIFA I have to say that the game is great. Only things that I don't like in FIFA are the blatant mistakes in player evaluation.
Seeing as what we're playing is most likely a leaked press beta, it runs brilliantly. I was going to ask if you were using an mx card but after using the search you have an fx5900(why?) which will run the game perfect once you've adjusted your display properties...don't tell me you've never had problems getting a PC game to run.

Judging from the howling coming from SG's and Ea's fifa forums there's plenty other mistakes than just player evaluation.

Originally posted by hollowi
And having now played FIFA I have to say that the game is great.

I think you need your eyes evaluated matey(No pun intended). :evil:

lol .. i wonder these people who say fifa is great and pes is bad ...
i mean where do you live? behind the moon? everyone can tell you the BIG difference between pes3 and fifa2004 in two minutes playing the games..
i dont understand hollowi saying pes3 is a bad port, only because his system is not able to run the game fine.. look for the requirements of the game on the konami website .. you need a directX8 graphics card (no gf2 or gf4mx!!!) and win xp (has a frame limiter - win98 doesnt have any!!) ...
inspite of all these little things i think everybody is free to play the game he wants to, so hollowi plz play fifa further and stop to post about things which you dont know good enough!:kader:

Well, just because McDonalds sells millions hamburgers each year with exactly the same look and taste, doesn't mean that it's a quality product.

I guess there are two kinds of people: those who want to be told what to do/play/eat and those who wanna find out for themselves at the 'risc' of actually enjoying themselves ;)

FIFA 2004 is more like a port, especially as there's a folder in the directory structure called "memcard"... I wonder where that comes from (H)

BTW I had some official news from Konami about the PC release date - it's 14th November...

Konami does official news now?
Still think our method of making sh1t up at random is much more fun :)

I don't know how the final version of PES works but at the moment it seems like they gave a 12-year old geek a box of candy so he would make the port. I mean, when you push down button as fast as you can, the menus scroll only two down. Then the game... First match runs as it should, and so does the second. But the third match takes speed turns, first it runs normally, then suddenly it starts working at 150% speed. Then it surprises you by running at 75% speed. The more games are played, the more often these speed changes occur. I last saw a game running at overspeed in 1998 as I played some '87 Starwars game. Konami over 15 years beyond PC development? I had now to keep 1280x1024, AA 8x, AF 8x and nVidia presets to Quality (high performance, performance, quality, from fastest to slowest) for the first game to run decently. And if I used high quality settings in PES, no matter the resolution or anti-alias settings, it was always like the players were running in water.

FIFA, as opposite, does not have these problems. EA aren't as footballwise but at least their coding is superb. As EA provides us the notorious Creation Centre this year, those flaws can be fixed. And what comes to the \memcard, why shouldn't it be there? How hard do you think it is to make a folder called "save". It's there because the game is developed for multiple platforms and it makes developers' life easier.

I use the video card because I needed a good card in summer and as I'm going to army next summer I didn't want to buy a card I have to change.

I give you MGS, you're perfectly right there... It was impossible to play it. As most of the people don't know ISS3 for PC, it looked like a 1994 PC game and controlling the game was mostly luck. Makes you wonder what they mean by Konami's famous ability to port games. Games like MGS and ISS3? I think a better word would be infamous.

And I understand those PS2 users who say FIFA suck PES rock, because I haven't heard one good word about FIFA04 for PS2. About the control rant, I wouldn't know. I use a Logitech Dual Action and I have to tell ya it's pinpoint accuracy in FIFA, haven't used it with PES. I was overly confused with those two analogue sticks at first as I have ever played PS for half an hour or so, total, but now after some 5 hours' session of FIFA I start to have a somewhat good control of my players.

If Konami are willing to get hold of even 10% of PC football market with PES I'd say they have LOTS AND LOTS of work to do from the demo until the full version. I have not given my final call just yet but FIFA's value has grown a lot in my eyes, after horrible last year's edition and somewhat bulky demo. PES demo, however, was about as bad as FIFA03's. They will need to work 24/7 until the release if they want PES to be succesful on PC. Maybe it's time for EA to start developing a 100% PC game (which is easy to port to Box) and let Konami have the PS2 market?

As I said in EA's forum, FIFA vs PES is like Maradona (or Ronaldinho from still playing ones?) vs Nesta (ok he was the first defending defender that popped in my mind). PES is boring basic football without any flashiness, although it's basic football at its best. FIFA is a bit more flashy in everything, starting from soundtrack although it may not be as accurate in every detail.

dam long post anyway fifa suck pes rocks.


life is simple people make it complex!

hollowi: Boring, basic football?
If you mean that PES concentrates on the mechanics and strategies of football while FIFA's main concern is the superficial gloss of the sport then yes I agree. Boring? Far from it. I don't get the Maradona/Nesta analogy as the football you can create with PES is much more exciting than the static contrived mess that is FIFA(ok not as bad this year but still not worth bothering with).

To sort out your problems run with aa & af off at 60 hz with v-sync on(grab rivatuner) and you'll have no speed up/slow down problems, as long as windows and other drivers are up to date.

while playing first read specs, second solve the already wide known problem before you play. (This is often issue in toady's PC gaming,e.g bf 1942 requires you to a lot of issuse before you even play it). Third understand what you are downloading.

you complain is like a noob having a 386 computer and trying to play fifa 2004.

Also yes konmai is responsible for its port game, but different department is responsible for its different port game. You cant generalize.

I can also can said this from the demo knomai's value has grown a lot in my eyes, after horrible last times MGS port edition and somewhat confusing controls. PES demo, however, was different. Using the settings in windows, I dont need 30 minutes to figure which button is /_\, [ ], O, etc . I also know all the basic moves at the start of the game. Look at the fifa retail beta version. My jaws still droping what a great effort with so much fiancial support.

A load of people are trash talking PES3 on the PC just because it's a port and they still have the debacle that was ISS3 still in their minds.

ISS3 was very lousily ported over to the point where it even looked for a memory card and the game wouldn't play smoothly even on my PC. Yet PES3 on the other hand is different. OK, so the menu interface looks rather rough because of the port and the PS2 button images are still there, but in-game, it's a different ball game altogether.

Has anyone seen the UI in FIFA 2004? It's very jagged, like as if it was ported (whoops I said it again) (H)

But people don't see it that way... :(

ISS3 has DirectIP/Lan(Unlike FIFA 2004) :evil:

FIFA 2004 is just like sweetcorn(corn on the cob), it dont digest well when you go for a **** tbh.

I have my biggest doubts the foking demo we got was meant be officially released to the public. Meaning, KCET wasn't concerned with the stability issues as much as they would with the final product.

We've got all of our demo's thru this dude (thankyou dude) who's ever friend happend to have a copy of the demo. Wow, very official. (Perhaps he was a KCET rep. distributing the demo in the most subtle way... No)

Think... common sense tells you.

:)

Originally posted by witon
you complain is like a noob having a 386 computer and trying to play fifa 2004.

Wow. So it's now my bad that I have a top notch puter and Konami didn't think anyone would have anything over 1GHz Celeron and GF2 Pro? I understand the limited capability of human brain but do you really think Konami have good coders if they can't make a game work with every computer? Typical idiotism from a fanatic who cannot realise the facts. Their value has grown in my eyes too, but it's easy to grow from zero. And what do ya have to think about in those buttons? Normally, I think, you have a list of controls. I'm also horrified at PES's way to have two different settings. I choose 1280 @ windows and in the game it's suddenly 640? WTF is that? They have a lot to learn about PC business in just one month.

AcillateM's post was very constructive thanks a lot for it.

Perth, thanks for the tip. Anyhow, I won't be watching a 60hz screen because it's flickery thus it damages the eye (and is impossible to watch for more than half an hour). Konami probably know that every single half decent gamer uses higher hertz rates so they either fix it or die with it. Oh, and vsync can be turned on from Windows. I agree FIFA being a bit superficial but you must've heard about Football Fusion. TCM was pretty decent already last year and if it has any improvement it'll be great, nothing like CM4 but combined with FIFA's gameplay it'll be superb. I'm very eager to try the FF, whenever TCM is out.

If you are saying that FIFA's gameplay is superficial, then fine by me but I can't take it very seriously. I mean, the new off the ball control is just great. Only problem in it is that it's so damn accurate, you hardly ever miss a ball.

Shokz, FIFA will have Direct IP and LAN play patch, probably before the release and certainly soon after it.

JJ, as I said, FIFA's UI is made like that because it comes on several platforms. Ok it's very PS-like but it's all the same if you use the analogue stick and X button or arrow keys and enter. If you ask me, at least. It's another story if it's a big effort to get into the game.

And I don't care about how finalised the game is or isn't, as I said earlier, I haven't drawn my conclusion just yet but atm PES seems ****e.

I don't really know how "unofficial" the demo was as big gaming magazines and sites had it on their front page. Wouldn't it seem a bit odd if they were giving the demo out if it wasn't meant that way. It's all the same if they ripped the evaluation versions of the games they got and shared them on the main site... As I've heard there are some legal problems with policies like that...

And unofficial or not, they will have to hurry a lot, since the game shipment was only a month away when the demo came. Seems they have a lot of coding still left. Also they will need to learn a lot about computer gaming business.

By the way, who of you (Especially AcillateM) has even played FIFA's PC full version?

Originally posted by hollowi
JJ, as I said, FIFA's UI is made like that because it comes on several platforms. Ok it's very PS-like but it's all the same if you use the analogue stick and X button or arrow keys and enter. If you ask me, at least. It's another story if it's a big effort to get into the game.

And I don't care about how finalised the game is or isn't, as I said earlier, I haven't drawn my conclusion just yet but atm PES seems ****e.

I don't really know how "unofficial" the demo was as big gaming magazines and sites had it on their front page. Wouldn't it seem a bit odd if they were giving the demo out if it wasn't meant that way. It's all the same if they ripped the evaluation versions of the games they got and shared them on the main site... As I've heard there are some legal problems with policies like that...

And unofficial or not, they will have to hurry a lot, since the game shipment was only a month away when the demo came. Seems they have a lot of coding still left. Also they will need to learn a lot about computer gaming business.

By the way, who of you (Especially AcillateM) has even played FIFA's PC full version?

Tell us how much EA have paid you to say that, because from what I make of your statement, it sounds very biased.

Your comment about the UI in FIFA is utter nonsense - FIFA 2003's UI was fine, no jagged images anywhere, and that game was made on all platforms, so you can't pull a fast one over my eyes, I've seen it all before.

Notice how FIFA 2004's UI is navigated mostly with a control pad, and that the mouse pointer looks as if it was drawn in M$Paint... it has the words "PS2 Port Over" written all over it.

Another one who's taking it up the backend from EA.
I was eating spuds with some beans for my dinner earlier and them beans had more intelligence between them than you have in your entire, thick, clogged up brain of yours.

Originally posted by hollowi

By the way, who of you (Especially AcillateM) has even played FIFA's PC full version?

WHSmith were selling it early, I got it yesterday, copied it, took it back today. :ewan:

Bloody shocking, I'm still recovering from the excitement of walking back into WHSmith to get my refund, the girl at the till werent there today, the rep behind the desk gave me a funny look though as if they were not supposed to sell it?, well I know where to get my games a few days earlier in the future then. :confused: :ewan: They did the same thing Championship Manager 4 the week that was due out, sold it 2 days before its actual release. :)

JJ yea as I said, I don't care if it's controlled with gamepad or keyboard. AS LONG AS IT WORKS. Unlike PES's.

Yawn... :rolleyes:

Hey everyone I can see right through his brain - he's hollow inside! (H)

Originally posted by JJ
Yawn... :rolleyes:

Hey everyone I can see right through his brain - he's hollow inside! (H)

Rofl.

i seriously dont get all these eternal arguments
if you play both games you'll just see that pes3 is quite simply the better game
if you dont like it or if you are a masochist or something play fifa... if you cant save replays or redefine controls, its ok, these are features

EA has technology,but knows little about football

hollowi : So you won't watch a movie on TV for more than half an hour ;)
Agreed you can't read text off a screen @60 hz but for gaming and zoning out watching the box, it's fine.
There's a problem with the installer. Install to the default directory and then setting program works fine.(all covered a couple of times already, you could probably change the registry keys instead of reinstalling)

Seriously, are you an EA rep? If not you gotta try and filter those ads out a bit more.

Football Fusion? The coupling of a bug ridden mess of a manager game(going by track record) with a decidedly average football game. Excuse me while I contain my enthusiasm.

OTB? Lemme guess, it lets you create brilliance. Sorry, there's no brilliance there, just a half-arsed cop-out by the FIFA team. Actually no, it is brilliant. The programmers, realising they have pathetically shoddy AI a couple of months from release, come up with the idea "let's make the player control the AI runs, that way they'll be too busy trying to focus on 2 people at once to notice that there is no AI !".
It's a stop gap solution to fix their programming deficiencies which their marketting team has brilliantly turned into "feature".

A game is ****e to you and in need of alot of work if the menus have playstation symbols? (keyboard and controller work fine for me in menus)
I think a football game is ****e and in need of alot of work if the best thing you can say about it is that it is better than FIFA03.

man, this guy really socked it to us.....



nah :)

Perth you probably suppose I don't know **** or then you yourself don't. PC monitors and TV screens are based on different technologies and you watch TV screen 5 metres away while watching PC monitor half a metre away. And 60 hz/vsync = 60 fps, which is oh too low. Anything under 72 seems a bit laggy.

Now that we've changed topics to Frames Per Second why don't you take a look at FIFA's awesome FPS rate:rolleyes:

Yes even on a television set, which normally runs at 25fps, you can see FIFA's FPS stuttering badly...

Excuses excuses... :rolleyes:

hollowi

if you like fifa play it, andif you don´t like pes don´t, is that so hard.
i respect that you like fifa, but don´t tell that is better then pes.

Originally posted by hollowi
Perth you probably suppose I don't know **** or then you yourself don't. PC monitors and TV screens are based on different technologies and you watch TV screen 5 metres away while watching PC monitor half a metre away. And 60 hz/vsync = 60 fps, which is oh too low. Anything under 72 seems a bit laggy.
Wrong. Computer monitors and televisions both use CRT technology, the only difference being the TV actually has 1/2 the refresh rate of a TV (progressive scan). Also the flickering image of a 60hz monitor is much more noticable from 10m away.

60 fps is "oh too low"? Don't wanna call you an FPS whore or anything but 60fps is plenty for smooth animation and great visuals. There is no way you can reasonably say that the best console games are running "oh too slow".
Like philler, I wish I could get 60fps outta the fifa demo. Fraps is telling me I'm getting 45-50fps but the screen is judderin' all over the place.

Doh. I meant that while computer monitors draw every frame, TV just fades a screen over another so it's smooth at low FPSs. I think you know that TV broadcasts are @ 24 FPS (or around there), but still it runs perfectly smoothly. Ok, 60 FPS is tolerable but not at 60 hz. It's just painful to watch 60 FPS.

And if you look TV 10 metres away you'll notice no flickering. If you look it at 10cm, you'll definitely notice it. Probably this is due to the difference in the blend mode.

The games are the better, the higher FPS you have. Also you gain more control over the game. Now I have to leave to watch a UCL game.

Television broadcasts are always 25 FPS, and it's a known fact that the human eye cannot detect anything over 60 FPS, or something like that, so it doesn't really matter.

Go and watch your UCL game, it might make you realise what real football is... :rolleyes:

BTW folks PES3 PC is out 21st November now, instead of 14th... :(

wHAT WHERE!?? 21?!!!!!

Well... I'm glad I said I hadn't made my mind yet. The first full version was working but was bitchy, the controller profiles didn't stay, etc.. But anyway it was delightful. The patched version, well, I have to say it's the Heaven of Footballing, although the demo was the 4th level of footballing hell. It excels FIFA in every single aspect, in my opinion even the graphics -- only thing EA has is the license (which doesn't really matter as you can download a patch to PES). Actually, only thing EA has are the changing banners :o And It's not worth hours of agony :p