Please post your views on the above topic.
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http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/frown.gif I hate to imagine this but, the capital of Belgium and Europe, for the early part of Euro 2000 this capital of European soccer will be overwhelmed by a British mob. http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/frown.gif

I don't think ALL English fans are hooligans- Hooligans are definately not your passionate British fan who cries during promotion/relegation matches-they are people who make channel-cross in to Europe just to stir trouble. http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/frown.gif

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It is usually England "fans" that riot when there is rioting to be done. The real fans are disgusted by this (as the real Arsenal fans were in Denmark last month). Scottish "fans" fight - but usually only against English fans. I've never heard of Welsh or Northern Irish fans rioting.

I don't know that you can severly limit it even, really. You can arrest them, you can put limitations on their future travel that would curb numbers but there's only so much that the courts can do.
We don't have as many close, local rivalries between professional franchises in North America and there's a certain resentment from fans towards players anyway because of the ungodly sums of money they make. Therefore, less passion about a franchise and very little sports hooliganism. But the same developmentally stunted, testosterone-and-beer fuelled twits are just as common here -- they simply look for their targets in bars and nightclubs instead, or they join street gangs. I think it's just a natural progession for a lot of people who've had such a generally crappy life that they don't know any better. They need a sense of belonging and at the same time an outlet for their anger. Kind of sad, really.

The best (and only) way of dealing with (any, not only English) hooligans and trouble-makers is sheer force. An "example" should be made in Euro 2000 - Maximum penalties on any trouble-maker, on any offence. Just Nail 'em to the wall, toss the first trouble-makers into jail for 5 years, and that should probably make people stop this nonsense.

I know this seems a bit harsh, but all the other methods have failed.

Does anyone remember that French police officer in 98, Daniel Defoe or something, that was almost killed by hooligans? Has anything really changed?

The first thing I’m going to say here is, please, please get it right! Prashanth, Britain is an island made up of four countries, which are Scotland, England, Northern Ireland and Wales. Therefor when you talk about English hooligans don’t refer to them as British. I’m sorry but this really pisses me off! I’m Scottish and I have to say that we pride ourselves as ambassadors for our country. Scottish fans in the World Cup generally win the "best behaved supporters award" (it's the only thing we do win http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif )but it's a sad reflection on the game that they actually have such an award.

Schumacher, you are probably right. We do fight but only against the English and that is nothing to be proud of either. There are idiots everywhere and when you put enough people together it’s inevitable that the idiots will make themselves visible. Sad but, oh so true. I lived in England for ten years and some of my very best friends are English and although I always have a dig at them there is no malice intended.

As far as what should be done with the trouble makers, well it’s an open and shut case as far as I’m concerned they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law,but you have to catch the culprits first,which is very difficult. There is no excuse for it. We have to remember that our children also enjoy sport and should never be exposed to the violence that sometimes comes with it. It’s funny how I can go to sporting events here in Australia (Rugby League, Union and Aussie rules) and never see any problems, even though the fans of both sides are seated together. It’s something about football, and I don’t understand it.

Let’s just hope that Euro 2K goes off without a hitch and we can all enjoy it for what it is, a outstanding spectacle and a brilliant advertisement for the greatest game in the world.

Regards and good luck to all the participants. (Well, Scotland didn't make it, did we? http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/frown.gif )


[This message has been edited by Mark (edited 06-08-2000).]

[This message has been edited by Mark (edited 06-08-2000).]

Ok, ok, I made a mistake. I was born in England myself. http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif "England fans" would have been the correct term. Sorry guys!!>>espicially to Mark.

Post your views pls!!!

Turkey are just as bad as English Hooligans.
Look at those 2 killings not long ago. Two English fans stabbed! I would watch out for Turkish fans too at the Euro tourny.

Prashanth, no worries mate. you were born in England the eh? You should no better http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/wink.gif.

uuh. let's not drag that up again. http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/cool.gif Hooliganism is hooliganism, it don't matter who starts it. It'd be nice if we all could put an end to it.

Anyway, everyone have a great weekend!!

There are virtually no football fans who want to cause violence. Many hooligan groups simply infiltrate groups of fans and are the catalyst for violence. Combat 18 is a good example.

Also be careful where you use the word British. There are four British provinces, each of which play international football.

To Mark>>>We need more people like you to abolish hooliganism! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif
Have a great day!!

Fan segragation creates as many problems as it solves, it creates the mob mentality, the us vs. them kind of atmosphere, we have Yankees vs. Mets right now in NY and everyone is intermixed and very few fights.

What to do is stop selling alcohol at the games and before games, and second severe penalties like jail time for 5 years for riot. I heard they will put bans on people going to games for 10 years what a joke, they should rot in jail for 10 year instead.

I belive the Dutch and Belgians will imprison troublemakers. I also belive that after they have been imprisioned in Holland or Belgium they will be sentanced again under English law, and imprisioned again. That's what's happening here

Yeah, those "creatures" should be nailed and prevented to go to a stadium FOR LIFE!!!
They actually enjoy fighting and hurting people, they don't care if it's football or softball.

They need their tribe and other people like them whom to fight with. When there isn't anybody else around they just hurt any living thing... or just anything, like windows, cars, trains, trees... so on

Stadiums in Holland and Belgium will have prison cells to retain any hooligans.

DAMN...don't be so stupid, there's only one way out...DEATH PENALTY!!! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

I'm really surprised Belgians causing trouble in their own capitol - that surprises me, and most Belgians I expect (58% of Belgians thought Euro 2000 was the new single currency!)