I expected a lot from the game, but it doesnt differ from pes2 , whats wrong with konami? They should just concentrate on making fighting games. Cannt they make a game that differs from previous versions?

I don't know what's wrong with YOU but it is so much better than pes2. I agree its not perfect with little nuances left to clear up but its that much more realistic and the computer ai is that much talented to give a challenge.
Up till this version I was still playing the ps1 version of pes2 since that is what I preferred most ;)

i do not think it differs that much, cos it seems very similar. player movements, shooting style, tackling, and the gamwplay, is also the same as pes2

Because it`s very hard to improve something that`s nearly perfect ( gameplay ), but as you can see Konami slowly improve on their player`s graphics, stadiums and licenses.

I don't know what game you're playing but PES3 is an big improvement on PES2 in ALL area's. Just because it looks similar doesn't mean its the same.

Originally posted by liljames
I expected a lot from the game, but it doesnt differ from pes2 , whats wrong with konami? They should just concentrate on making fighting games. Cannt they make a game that differs from previous versions?

Quit the drugs kid...its hazardous kid...muaha

PES3 > PES2

The improvment from PES2 to PES3 is greater than what existed bewteen PES1 to PES2.

I love this game.

its a flaw , because we expect moree from konami, and u all knw this.

don´t forget that the ps2 has limited graphic and processor capabilities

the improvement is HUGE....totally different game, more real, volleys, passing etc. where do you start?

Originally posted by AcillateM
don´t forget that the ps2 has limited graphic and processor capabilities

limited graphic capabilities, yes. limited processor capabilities, no. ps2's processor is very advanced, even for today's standarts, the problem is that it's gfx processor is weak and uses the main processor, and that's what is limiting the ps2. ;)

btw pes3 is a big improvement over pes2!
:)

I didn't have PES2 ,

i had pes on PSX, and now went straight to PES3 on PC a,d it's brilliant, i just gotta get some controller adapter 'caus playing with keyboard sucks....

Anyone have such an adapter ?

i think so that pes3 its mutch better then pes2.

this guy is just an idiot altogether for saying that

i too think that PES3 is a vast improvement over PES2 in many areas (animation, graphics, CPU play, options, licences), but why not allow a dissenting opinion without calling someone an idiot?

Originally posted by liljames
its a flaw , because we expect moree from konami, and u all knw this.
??
I expect Konami to create the best football game available. PES3 is the best football sim there is (by far).
How much more can we expect?

pes3 is awesome
period

PES 3 is definetly the best football game out there!!!!!!! Nothing comes close. PES2/WE6 was already near perfection, and PES3 has achieved perfection.

PES3 may look like very similar to PES2 at the first glance, but as you get deeper in the game, you realise that the similarities are only skin-deep.

Firstly, the player models have actually been improved. They're more athletic, a bit of a cross between the stickmen of PES1 and the stocky Neanderthals of PES2. The faces have been made more true-to-life, especially for the players playing at the licensed teams(Juve, Milan, Lazio, Roma, Feyenoord, the Japanese and Korean national teams). There is a wider range of animations, though admittedly the standard running animation does look retarded from some angles. Notice that when you are sprinting and try to change direction, the player sticks his inner arm out slightly and swerves his torso so as to maintain balance. This was not present in previous games, to the best of my knowledge, and adds to the realism of the game even more. There are more animations for trapping the ball, and the new flicks and tricks have blended into the game seamlessly without ever making the game look arcadish. Konami have to be commended for that.The number of national and club teams have also improved, and finally Konami have given us an unlockable free transfer option.

The gameplay almost hits the nail on the head in terms of the opposition AI. While in PES1 you would be outmuscled in midfield and in PES2 you could rule the middle but find getting into the penalty area a bit more challenging, in PES3 you have to work harder than ever to get anywhere past the halfway line. Every team plays to a different plan, and in some games you will find it easier to score by stretching the opposition on the wings, while in others you may have to resort to long balls or a more patient, passing game. Your success depends on you playing to your strengths, rather than playing to a 'money-move' - a routine that results in a goal 99% of the time. One gripe with the general flow of the game has to be its pace. It's just a little bit too quick for my liking, though it's not too bad at all. It still feels like a football match, except the footballers have been having too much coffee in the pre-match.

The keeper AI seems to have been downgraded for this version, perhaps because they were slightly unrealistic in the previous versions, pulling off some superman saves. it's a bit too easy to go around a keeper now, but you don't get many one-on-one situations in this game, unless you're VERY good at it, so usually you have defenders in to cover you and throw you off your shot.
That brings me nicely on to the next aspect of the gameplay - the shooting system. Personally, I'm still getting used to the system, because it's so different from PES2. Perhaps it's just me, or maybe Konami have made a fundamental change to the shooting, or perhaps it's just more exaggerated now than it was before. The pace with which the power bar fills up is determined by:
1) The player's shooting stats
2) The player's balance at the time of taking the shot
3) The time the player has had to line up the shot i.e if you're taking a first time shot, the power bar fills up more rapidly than if you have had a lot of time on the shot.

The number of trick moves has also increased. You can fake a shot and immediately chip the keeper, you can use the backward dribble to fool oncoming defenders, the 360 degree spin is in the game, so are nutmegs, jumping over slide tackles, chips, overhead flicks, you name it and it's there. As I mentioned earlier, these tricks do not serve to make the game unrealistic.

I won't waste time on the commentary, only because I turned it off immediately after getting the game, so it would be unfair to comment.

Originally posted by wheed007
this guy is just an idiot altogether for saying that


i dont blame you, well if u cannt use ur number 6 then whats the use of me posting or visiting this forum?

my argument is that the game does not differ from pes2, it still feel the same.

Read my post more closely. You'll see that I have mentioned a large number of changes from previous games.;)
Konami have kept the basic feel of the game the same to provide a feeling of continuity for long-time players of the series. The basic control patterns, the menus, etc. However they have made a lot of subtle changes to the gameplay that make it a challenge to play again. Besides, why fix what isn't broken? The gameplay is excellent, and really only needs a few minor tweaks here and there to make it resemble a real football match. It's as close as anyone has come, so IMO changing the 'feel' of the game is a poor option.

Originally posted by VraiDiouf
PES 3 is definetly the best football game out there!!!!!!! Nothing comes close. PES2/WE6 was already near perfection, and PES3 has achieved perfection.

so we don't need a PES4, do we? or what comes after perfection?

the game is very good, but there is still lots of room for improvement, in my opinion at least.

Originally posted by man united forever
Perhaps it's just me, or maybe Konami have made a fundamental change to the shooting, or perhaps it's just more exaggerated now than it was before.

I feel that this is one area where Konami have fallen over. The time taken to line up for a shot and actually shoot is far too long when you compare it to the time a COM player can take to move into a position (from a relatively long distance) to block a shot.

Strikers want to line up perfectly and get everything just nice before shooting. In the real world it simply isn't like that, with reaction type shots making up a respectable percentage of goals!

However, it just needs tweaking as some of the gloss on these bits is amazing, like seeing a striker glance up at the goal as he receives a pass before taking a shot (Huygens does this really well :) )

Originally posted by SkuzzbaG
I feel that this is one area where Konami have fallen over. The time taken to line up for a shot and actually shoot is far too long when you compare it to the time a COM player can take to move into a position (from a relatively long distance) to block a shot.

hallelujah... at least one other person who has noticed that... when i started a "too many blocked shots" discussion a few days ago the fanboys said this was "nonsense", and "no, it's so realistic" and "it happens all the time.. just watch a real match"... well, watch a real match tomorrow and count how often a shot is blocked... (i am not saying it has to go in...)

It's so funny that very year when a new version comes out people claim it's so "realistic"...no matter how much the shooting engine has changed... in PES1 virtually no shot from just outside the box got blocked and most actually got in... "Realistic!".. in PES2 the magic blocking started.. "Realistic!"... this year the blocking is even more exaggerated.. "Realistic!"... next year Konami will maybe finally balance it out, but no matter how the result, i am sure someone will claim how "realistic" it all is, even if that meant that all previous versions are rendered "unrealistic" posthumously, so to say...

besides that, there is no doubt that the game has vastly improved. the biggest improvement for me is that the CPU does actually play combination football and not just blast pixel perfect passes upfield all the time as it did in PES2. the speed is still a tad too fast for my taste... but i am sure some find it "realistic"... ;-)

cramping alot of defenders in the box to make it more difficult to score is nonsense

Originally posted by simakperrce
hallelujah... at least one other person who has noticed that... when i started a "too many blocked shots" discussion a few days ago the fanboys said this was "nonsense", and "no, it's so realistic" and "it happens all the time.. just watch a real match"... well, watch a real match tomorrow and count how often a shot is blocked... (i am not saying it has to go in...)

It's so funny that very year when a new version comes out people claim it's so "realistic"...no matter how much the shooting engine has changed... in PES1 virtually no shot from just outside the box got blocked and most actually got in... "Realistic!".. in PES2 the magic blocking started.. "Realistic!"... this year the blocking is even more exaggerated.. "Realistic!"... next year Konami will maybe finally balance it out, but no matter how the result, i am sure someone will claim how "realistic" it all is, even if that meant that all previous versions are rendered "unrealistic" posthumously, so to say...

besides that, there is no doubt that the game has vastly improved. the biggest improvement for me is that the CPU does actually play combination football and not just blast pixel perfect passes upfield all the time as it did in PES2. the speed is still a tad too fast for my taste... but i am sure some find it "realistic"... ;-)

The delay between the human pressing the shoot but and the player actually preparing to shoot is unnaturally long and this delay does not occur when you pass the ball around in the middle of the pitch...only when you shoot. When the player does finally get round to kicking the ball, the actual backswing is also unaturally long. What makes it stand out more is that the players run around too fast anyway...then you press shoot and it's like slow-motion. AI defenders can often close down spaces of about 6 or 7 yards from the time you press shoot to the time the player actually kicks the ball. I see nothing realistic in that. I see it for what it is...a mechanism to make up for deficincies in the AI and to make sure you don't score too many goals. Currently, the AI simply isn't good enough to outwit a human so relies on these numerous tricks to give itself a better chance. It's a necessary evil.

Unfortunately, it detracts from the overall experience and also acts as a reminder that it's just a computer program.

Good points(display name) but as u said continuity, wont u get tired of that, from a diferent piont of view, with no stong changes in gameplay.cannt they revamp the entire engine, because we already know what to expect, and thats why I said it doenst differ