45th minute, cross from de la cruz, put into net by vassell. nice 1-0 up just b4 half time. or so i thought. i look at score and it hasnt registered.............. i go on to lose the match 1-0 and go out of cup. was not happy.................

Prehaps it was called offside or something it hasnt happened to me well at least to my knowledge

Yeah, we would know about a score changer, unless you are well into the future. What year you in?

happened to me too... scored a goal, halftime, went to make a sub, and lo' and behold they magically scored during halftime... im in year 2006

Well im starting the 05-06 season now ill watch out for it

im half way through 1st season. its internet play................... i was wonderin wether it was just the ref blowing up for half time but he shouldnt do it just as the balls crossing the line. either way, its not right..............

It was a problem that occured in the last game maybe they forgot to remedy the problem before releasing the source code

Wot do we hav our selvz here? A...bug? :o

yeah, maybe one like the injury bug i was on about, but that was just dismissed with comedy.

TROD.

Yes. Comedy is good.

2 bugs that we found... hmmm I suppose there will be another EP? Any newz about a new EP from SI forum members?

They told me to die in hell.

U should ask them, maybe they want to join u. Oh wait, forgot, they are already there :crazyboy:

are u sure u r not playing the cm4 beta demo :confused:

dont be a tit, its 03/04 full game................

Hmmm, you made a sub.

The way CM's match engine works (and the reason why it takes up so much freaking space and time) is that it generates the match before the game starts, so you're really watching a 'tape' of the game. However, whenever you go to make a substitution or a tactical change, it re-simulates the rest of the game from that point, so that the user has 'control' of the match.

There must be something that forces the game to nullify the goal.

This was a HUGE problem in CM4, though it was usually positive and gave me 2 goals half the time!:P :crazyboy:

Looks like 01/02 is still the King :)

This was already what I hated in CM4, I remember I was leading 5-1 in my deciding CL match, but then I made a sub, and after that it was 1-1 and it ended like that, I replayed that match:kader:

This was fixed in Cm4 after some EPs.

I know, but that was before the EP's..........

A new EP is being worked on. Releasedate unknown. It will be the final EP for 03/04, as they'll be working on EHM with the complete staff after that.

but i didnt make any subs, changes or anything. i just watched the ball fly into the net and then they awer walkin away for half time. i expected a 1-0 scoreline to appear but it didnt. it didnt disapear, it just didnt appear. neither did any offside decision or anything else to tell me why it wasnt allowed.

The goal must just not have registered? Was the flag up?

nope. no flag or any explanation of why it didnt register

Originally posted by rpvankasteren
A new EP is being worked on. Releasedate unknown. It will be the final EP for 03/04, as they'll be working on EHM with the complete staff after that.

EHM?

Eastside Hockey Manager, their new game: an icehockey manager built on the CM3 engine.

Not interesed in icehockey anyway :p

Originally posted by ralfwiggum
but i didnt make any subs, changes or anything. i just watched the ball fly into the net and then they awer walkin away for half time. i expected a 1-0 scoreline to appear but it didnt. it didnt disapear, it just didnt appear. neither did any offside decision or anything else to tell me why it wasnt allowed.
I once got the Half Time whistle just as Tuncay rounded the keeper. :kader:

then i can only assume that the ref blew the whistle just as the ball crossed the line.............. which is bollox cos a few games later, i played man utd and was 6-5 up and the ref played over a minute and a half over the 5 mins of injury time and they scored. he then blew the whistle even b4 i had the chance to kick off again and i drew the game 6-6.................. biased, shi't refs or a bug? not sure............... either way, i wasnt happy about either decision..............

thats prolly realistic, the ref wanted United to win. i hope they recitify ALL THE MAJOR bugs in this next EP, and if they dont, it better not be the last EP or i'll pissed, thats 2 CM's in a row i spent money on and i expect a polished game as good as CM3 nad 01/02 02/03 etc

They had many bugs too. akk the games in the Cm3 series. I dont even remember how many games I had to stop after all these silly error msgs. I dont find the game buggy (yeah I go t the game!) only small bugs almost unnoticeable, that every game has

kewl, i just hope i dont experience this crashing bug some ppl are talking about. i'd be pissed off, but i dont know if 'i'll make it to season 2008. i hope i do though. and i hope that score changing bug doesn't screw me over. i can't wait to get managing again tho, after the heartache of cm4 :(

Lemme preface this by saying I am a soccer referee in the USSF.

A referee may stop the game for the half or the full time at any point when he feels the time for that period has elapsed. It's not bollocks or a bug if a referee blows for the half a minute into stoppage after saying there would be four.. or if he blows just as you start to chip the keeper. There is no LOTG that states the ball must be in a non-aggressive position.

Now.. whether or not that ref should get future assignments is something completely different.. but simply blowing the whistle while an attack is going on is not necessarily a bug.

RC-Leopard

Very true, but there are rules and agreements. A game in the Belgian cup is being replayed, because the winning team had scored a goal from a throw-in, given away for injury-treatment, before the treatment had actually taken place. Of course the FA could do nothing against it, but the winning team has asked for the replay themselves, and the FA has agreed.

Well, I would imagine that FIFA and the IFAB would have something to say to the Belgian FA then. If no LOTG were violated, no matter how crappy the play was, there is no reason that a game should be replayed.

Doing things like this piss me off. If the refs have their authority taken away from them at a whim, why should they officiate to the best of their abilities?

RC

Well, the referee did nothing wrong, but couldn't do anything against the way of action. Therefore the club asked for a replay, as the score wasn't fair to the other team. Nothing against the ref in my opinion.

Nothing against the ref, no.. but it does cheapen the effects of the LOTG. If the actions of a game that are completely within the laws are cause for reversal, what about those actions that a ref takes in accordance with the laws? What's next? FAs deciding that they don't like certain referees decisions and therefore ordering replays? Or , if Man U loses Rio for 2 years, what happens if the FA orders all Man U's games replayed? Champions league included?

Referees have it hard enough out there without having to worry about whether or not FAs will overrule their decisions and their choices. I'm just afraid that this will mean FAs will get to pick and choose what results they like best... a future that is NOT good for footy.

RC

In Holland, bans start when they are decided to be given. That's either on tuesday of each week, or, if the player/team decide to appeal, the tuesday a week after.
I don't know about the English FA, but the way they are handling this affair with Rio, and the way they handled the Man U vs Arsenal thing, takes/took way too much time. If they decide to scratch he matches Man U played with Rio, any fool, who appeals against that decision, could have that decision overthrown.

Originally posted by rcleopard
Lemme preface this by saying I am a soccer referee in the USSF.

A referee may stop the game for the half or the full time at any point when he feels the time for that period has elapsed. It's not bollocks or a bug if a referee blows for the half a minute into stoppage after saying there would be four.. or if he blows just as you start to chip the keeper. There is no LOTG that states the ball must be in a non-aggressive position.

Now.. whether or not that ref should get future assignments is something completely different.. but simply blowing the whistle while an attack is going on is not necessarily a bug.

RC-Leopard

so blowing the whistle just as the ball crosses the line is right is it?!? if ur a ref and this is wot u think, no wonder we need video evidence!! its an unwritten rule that play isnt in an offensive position. that why most decent refs, blow up whent the ball is in the middle of the field or being held in the corner......................

That's exactly what I'm saying. If the FAs are allowed to require replays on games for events that DO NOT violate any LOTG or any competition committee ruling, then its all over. You can have FAs deciding to replay matches for whatever reasons they see fit.. making up those reasons as they go along. Oops. I didn't like the rain in this game. It's replayed. Ooops. I thought this play was passively offside. Replay. Throwing the ball into the goal on an injury is unprofessional. Replay. You know what else is unprofessional? Running the score up to 5 or 6 goals and continuing to press the attack when the win is all but inevitable. Maybe those games should be replayed too? Or what about excessive goal celebrations? Should that be grounds for replay?

See where I'm going with this? If the FAs are allowed to automatically declare a replay based on arbitrary occurances that do not violate the LOTG, we are on a slippery slope that will end with every goal being video reviewed, every attack being video reviewed for offsides, and every referee miked up to be in direct contact with the FA. The day that happens is the day I'm out of the biz.


RC

so blowing the whistle just as the ball crosses the line is right is it?!?

Whether its right or not is not the question. It's LEGAL. It's been done in footy past. Would I do it? No. But not because the ball is in an offensive position but because I am incapable of being exact. In some leagues, though, where they keep the clock by computer, Yes. The game MAY end with the ball right on the line. And that is right.

There is no unwritten rule/law. If time is up, time is up. Whether or not that gets you anymore assignments is a different story, but by the LOTG, you do nothing wrong, even if you stop it on the line. Law 5 gives the referee SOLE authority over the time.

RC

Originally posted by rcleopard
If the FAs are allowed to require replays on games for events that DO NOT violate any LOTG or any competition committee ruling, then its all over.

They don't do it in CM, and they didn't request the game to be replayed in the example I gave. FAs don't do that. BUT: if they are asked nicely, by the winning team, if the game could be replayed, because of unfair proceedings leading to the win, why not consider it?

Becuase how long until the losing team gets the right to ask too?

RC

its common sense. if a ref blows the half/full time whistle just as the ball crosses the line then thats unfair to the team who rightfully should hav/did score. then maybe a replay of the game should be considered if that decision stood. iv NEVER seen a game where thats happened and if u can show me one, il eat my hat. and im not sayin just as the shot is taken. that could be understood, debatable, but could be understood. im talkin about the ball being physically 1mm away from the goal line. so its physically in the air travelling accross the goal line as the the ref blows for half time. and not allowing the goal.................

I believe there was a world cup game years back where this happened. It's happened in various league games. In one game that I observed, there was three minutes of stoppage. After about four minutes, completely in one team's PA or close to that, the CR decided enough was enough. He managed to blow the whistle just as the ball was entering the goal. That would have leveled the match. It did not.

Unfortunatly, sometimes, when time is up, time is up.

RC

Originally posted by rcleopard
Because how long until the losing team gets the right to ask too?

RC


They don't have that right, as no rules were broken (your argument). They have to hope for some professionalism from the opposing side. Don't get me wrong, I do agree with you, but to allow the losing side to make such a claim, the rules have to be adapted. Do you see that happening? I don't.

Originally posted by rcleopard
I believe there was a world cup game years back where this happened. It's happened in various league games. In one game that I observed, there was three minutes of stoppage. After about four minutes, completely in one team's PA or close to that, the CR decided enough was enough. He managed to blow the whistle just as the ball was entering the goal. That would have leveled the match. It did not.

Unfortunatly, sometimes, when time is up, time is up.

RC

thats crap. no ref would blow up just as the ball is crossing the line. sunday league or world cup.......................

maybe not in a world cup, but I've seen such a thing b4