http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1115282,00.html

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Your thoughts if reports are correct?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/3317429.stm

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BBC

to be honest i dont think he has been:(

http://www.cnn.com

Morning Rob. :ewan:

BREAKING NEWS U.S. forces capture a number of wanted Iraqis in Tikrit, possibly including former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, U.S. officials say. Identities still being confirmed.

I don't think he's been captured, unless we see some video evidence.

Don't forget the amount of fake "lookalike's" he has.

Morning :ewan:

I wonder what he looks like

are we taking bets on which member will be first to dispute this, give me the latest odds fellows.

....that was a bad joke :p

"Important" News Conferance at 12:00GMT (An hour and 25 minutes from now).

la la la...lookalike...hehe :crazyboy: yeah thats interesting...what the hell would he be doin in the country? i mean wouldnt he have fled?

Well, they've got his son's DNA already.

Reuters are saying the report is emanating from an Iraqi Kurdish group based in Tehran.

BBC World Serivce news has only placed the story seconf on its radio broadcast news, so until it is confirmed, I guess it is just speculation.

Would be a coup for the americans if they got him now though, would take some of the attention away from the Hallburton overcharging...

Watching Sky News now.

What if it is him, what would liberals say?

and would Conservitives celebrate with beers?

Listening to it now Aaron.

this news is spreading like wildfire :confused:

It's the biggest story of the year alongside the actual Invasion.

Well im gonna take a dump. :ewan:

By the time I get back, this thread will be 5 pages long. (H)

thanks for sharing shokz :rockman: :(:lui: :gavin:

the whole world wanted to know that, aye. (H)(Y)

OMG this is great news. Just checked all the news channels and it's all the same. FANTASTIC!!! (H)

the news is spreading like wildfire, expect it to be 35 pages long after today

Greatest thing to hit the internet since MS Blast.

:evil:

or even me, for that matter

No.

:(

I've set User CP to show 40 replies a page. :p

I have had that since, ever?

lets put a link into this thread from a sig

Unnamed US Defence Official: We think we may have him.

Sky News.

Listening to welsh rap (H)

The guy's got about 20 million look-a-likes, how are they gonna tell who they captured. Plus they can tell you what they want anyone, maybe it's just a big conspiracy to cover up the alien invasion from last night in Kuwait and the spaceship conference in Baghdad, it's all a big cover up I tell ya.:rolleyes: :p

Philler....you just ruined my betting thing, man. :p

TONY BLAIR CONFIRMS CAPTURE OF SADDAM HUSSEIN!

SKY NEWS

Originally posted by shokz
TONY BLAIR CONFIRMS CAPTURE OF SADDAM HUSSEIN!

SKY NEWS

Tony Blair yeah. Hmm...believe Tony, the same guy who said he had nothing to do with the leaking of Dr. David Kelly's name and all that.

Never believe a politician because they all talk through their arses:D

Tony "T blizzle" Blair

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1115282,00.html

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Tony Blair has confirmed that former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has been captured alive in his home town of Tikrit.


Reports say Saddam was "dug out of a cellar" from a house in a poverty-stricken area during a raid by US forces, backed by Kurdish troops.

DNA test's confirmed.

Originally posted by shokz
DNA test's confirmed.

Oi Saddam. Gives a bit o' yer wee will ya:p

"Piss here Saddam, it's over"

:funny:

meh............who gives a damn.

Saddam = F*CKED!

by a guy named Bubba?

That'd be nasty.

yeah just watching the news :D

i never expected such a non-violent capture to be honest. I thought it would be a shootout or something worse.

DNAs confirmed ... so theres some hard evidence.

Finally !

now what ? take him to trial ? I hope his execution is carried out on PPV. I want to see BLOOD .......... MUAHHAHAHA

But if he really is captured there isn't a lot they can do expect charge him with the murder of a few million and alledged hiding of weapend and what not. Somone might want to point out to Bush that International laws are a little different to the Texas laws, so it's not like they can execute Sadman Insane

Let's drown him with american life.

Yash, can you change the title of Reportly to Confirmed?

They gonna execute him??? They may as well execute bush as well then, his troops have killed about 50,000 civillians........John Howard should piss off too.

aye... (:/) unfortunately

looks like a few million life sentences is on the cards.

They have to execute him or the threat of him used in a terrorist situation as a political prisoner would be to great.

... Like in James Bond .. :crazyboy:

can we keep him, to piss liberals off?

They're funny when they're pissy.

i dunno whether to watch the intercon cup or news :(

The News will be on all day.

no. The news will be on for a week.

i'd be very surprise if this thread doesnt reach 30 pages in 24 hours,

anyway, watched the news, the government havent issued an official statement yet i hear

yeah thats coz Bush is probably asleep (H) :p

Im watching BBC live on the net.

whats the link for bbc live on the net?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/ - Big Link on the Website.

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Anyone seen the footage of him getting caught in his cellar with a fake beard on?

They found him and shaved his beard off lol.

Skinny elderly man with a long grey beard.

:ewan: Bye Bye Saddam!

hope its true, this day would mark one of the biggest days in the alliances history

good lord

this stuff just has to happen at night :f***: :f***:

****in inconvenient saddam :f***:

here's the confirmation speech coming up!

You can bet EA would make something out of this when they do the next C&C. :p

yeah...

:o :rolleyes:

saddam was wearing a fake beard.... stylish

it be funny if bush comes on in 5 minutes and say "sorry, it's not him" :crazyboy:

Wasn't he supposed to be dead? :mrpimp:

us media says lots of things :confused:

A lot of rumours were going around....maybe its one of his look a likes that died?? They cant prove anything till they've got the results of the DNA test.

wot're they gonna do with him? make him work at macdonalds? :p

damn I hate US media...........

in a cellar in a town 15km south of tikrit...

he hid in a hole, 8 to 10ft away from the house (what a dumbarse), and thought he might be able to get away, he was wearing a fake beard.

he was shown to former leader type ppl from the "former" iraqi regime, and clearly indentified.

how exciting :o

Nice. You got owned.

I don't think McDonalds employs people with facial hair.

saddam was meant to be "talkative" and "co-operative" :confused:

the u.s. seemed to learn from some of thier previous mistakes by taking thier time to announce this.

the flushed him out good.

wtf........ i thought they said it was a fake beard :rolleyes: :kader:

He still can't work at McDonalds, he has a moustache.

i guess he could shave :confused:


anyway..... the us is now regurgitating exactly what they said when they invaded :rolleyes:

Saddam, before the shave, and after. :p

Originally posted by Al Pacino
He still can't work at McDonalds, he has a moustache.

your comments are really annoying atm.

Yep just saw the video presentation from the press conference. It was just unbelievable when they showed the first pictures of his medical inspection. The press just went wild. :)

He looks like Super Mario in that picture. :D

those reporters are a crazy bunch of ppl...

:D

Originally posted by Mishkin
He looks like Super Mario in that picture. :D

Luigi. (H) :rockman:

We're all know what Bush's main campaigning focus will be for the next elections. And he'll probably fool most Americans with it again:kader:

with notable exceptions (no, i am not talking about you moron), most Americans are dumb :$:p

Originally posted by PhiLLer
We're all know what Bush's main campaigning focus will be for the next elections. And he'll probably fool most Americans with it again:kader:

yah.... forget about the fact that we lied in saying that there were WMD....... we successfully invaded Iraq, killing 10,000 innocent civilians, and caught sadam.

VOTE BUSH!

:crazyboy:

Something has occured to me about the pictures of Saddam.

Aren't these pictures parading a prisoner?

As an ex-Red Cross member I can tell you that parading prisoners in public is illlegal under the Geneva Human Rights Convention.

The US could be in big trouble for this!

well ppl bitch if there is no proof

now you bitch that there is.

:rolleyes:

get off your high horse and go arrest america sherriff jackie.

here here!!

they only showed him for proof.

and its obvious they chose careful pictures to show (e.g. medical examination).

so theres nothing really inhuman about the whole situation, which is what they would like to be thought of the pictures shown.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39633000/jpg/_39633805_saddam66.jpg
hmmm :rolleyes:


http://tn.coolhomepages.com/chp/images/logos/pringles.gif

its not just Seaman who looks like the pringles legend :rolleyes: :crazyboy:

i wonder if they found cigars in his bunker :confused:

saddam looks like a retired man.

hmm a man knows when hes beaten

Originally posted by monkeyhappy
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39633000/jpg/_39633805_saddam66.jpg
hmmm :rolleyes:


http://tn.coolhomepages.com/chp/images/logos/pringles.gif

its not just Seaman who looks like the pringles legend :rolleyes: :crazyboy:

i wonder if they found cigars in his bunker :confused:


mwahahaha :evil: :funpost: nice post that :D

Originally posted by monkeyhappy
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39633000/jpg/_39633805_saddam66.jpg
hmmm :rolleyes:


http://tn.coolhomepages.com/chp/images/logos/pringles.gif

its not just Seaman who looks like the pringles legend :rolleyes: :crazyboy:

i wonder if they found cigars in his bunker :confused:

:funpost:

anyway finally hes been captured i thought hed never get caught :(

man he needs a shave

cool

congrats iraq:)

Originally posted by Paul
well ppl bitch if there is no proof

now you bitch that there is.

:rolleyes:

get off your high horse and go arrest america sherriff jackie.


I didn't ask for any proof!

i simply put it across that they MIGHT be breaking international law by parading a prisoner in public.

THINK B4 U SPEAK!

I sadly have to doubt this. he has too many lookalikes

Originally posted by ttwellman
I sadly have to doubt this. he has too many lookalikes

They say its definately him because they checked his DNA against his sons'.

Now we can go find Osama

Originally posted by jackie4
I didn't ask for any proof!

i simply put it across that they MIGHT be breaking international law by parading a prisoner in public.

THINK B4 U SPEAK!

The Geneva Convention does have something about not showing prisoners of war in the media. I think the USA just released the pictures to prove that we caught Saddam. If the USA said that Saddam was captured but didn't show any pictures, than no one would believe us.

this is the biggest news in 2003 hands down.

Look at all those Iraqi people celebrating on the streets, I wonder what the pro-Hussein people will do after this :confused:

I know this is off-topic and only UK people will get this but I hope BBC1 have blanket coverage of this story all night tonight.

WHY?

Because then the Sports Personality of the Year will be cancelled and we Scots won't have to listen to a load of nonsense about rugby again . :D ;)

according to CNN, they did a DNA test and yes, Saddam is the one captured
They also showed a video of him being inspected by a soldier.
Saddam looks like a bum.

Man i have a bad feeling, Bush will get re-elected in 2004 :kader: :(

Originally posted by jackie4
I know this is off-topic and only UK people will get this but I hope BBC1 have blanket coverage of this story all night tonight.

WHY?

Because then the Sports Personality of the Year will be cancelled and we Scots won't have to listen to a load of nonsense about rugby again . :D ;)

:funpost: :funny: But im english so i hope itll go on to the small and insignificant BBC 2!

Finally they caught him......now its time for Osama:D

Originally posted by Moron
Man i have a bad feeling, Bush will get re-elected in 2004 :kader: :(

I hope so.......

Originally posted by sebastian_ncfc
to be honest i dont think he has been:(

That is what i thought but the footage and reports are true and i 100% believe he is captured!

Now we can start freeing the Iraq people from terror.

Holy ******* ****. I'm watching a bunch of arab americans dance in the streets on Fox News (yeah yeah, but you know they won't cover anything else, so since I just got up this is the place to start).

Alright here's my thoughts, what the hell. Capturing Saddam means our mission is done? We've completed our mission? That's what one guy just said and hopefully most people don't think that. America isn't leaving Iraq now and capturing him really doesn't do much. It's a nice symbol, but nothing's going to change in Iraq just because Saddam is captured.

I believe it though, even though I know about the body doubles, I saw that picture and immediately said "they got him."

They will never get Osama....everyone gave up on trying to find him, besides unlike Saddam Osama and Mullah Omar have a worldwide network of support,caves,hideouts, and tons of cash, most of the Islamic world is in support of him because unlike Saddam he makes himself look like the last true hero of the muslim world......RUN OSAMA RUUUUUUN ,THE FEDS ARE HERE!!

Originally posted by sebastian_ncfc
to be honest i dont think he has been:(

Haha. I went to bed at 4 am when the first reports were coming in and I was pretty sure he was captured by the evidence.

"Kurdish sources report capture of Saddam" and also they had video of US Army soldiers smoking cigars and taking pictures--something had to be up.

I just saw videos when he was being examined by doctors, i almost laughed to death:funny:

http://www.clublaugh.com/item.php?id=703&sort=title

MISSION: INCOMPLETE



WMD anyone? :confused:

Originally posted by Moron
MISSION: INCOMPLETE



WMD anyone? :confused:

id love a few :rockman:

:$

Originally posted by Moron
MISSION: INCOMPLETE



WMD anyone? :confused:

Haha. I'm giving you that one bud. ;) So true...

Anyone feel sorry for him?:( :( :(

umm..no

here is a theory: maybe the americans paid someone loads of money to make a replica person of sadam..they added lots of makeup , plastic surgery..etc..

they maybe made a deal wit sadam...USA was emberassed for not capturing him in such a long time

http://www.muniee.com/images/saddam.jpg

Originally posted by DIOUF11
Anyone feel sorry for him?:( :( :(

Not a chance.

Anyway, I am surprised they took him alive. Any trial that occurs will be very interesting indeed. He spent most of his time in power being supported, militarily, politically and financially, by the very same countries that toppled him, so I expect he will use a trial to showcase as much information as he can. The WMD issue no doubt will be coming home to haunt the Bush admin now they have him.

Well I guess the silly season of christmas can commence with Bush making as much mileage out of this as possible. But there will be a few in the administration with concerns over exactly what Saddam will have to say about them and their past dealings, and pretty soon we will also see that capturing Saddam will have little impact on the continuing attacks on coalition forces.

Because they are not the acts of pro-Saddam forces, they are the acts of a fully fledged resistance. They don't want Saddam back, they just want the americans out.

I'm writing a brief article on this right now actually. Basically saying the same things you're saying.

Speaking of articles, Rhizzy...:rolleyes: :D

Originally posted by northstar
http://www.muniee.com/images/saddam.jpg

That's a good look for him:funny:

Damn. Didn't expect to see this when I woke up today. :o

i saw this right before i went to bed before it was confirmed but when i woke up this morning i turned on the telly and i saw "SADDAM CAPTURED" on like every channel... i still can't believe it! :o

life in prison or can we publicly execute him? :evil: i say we have some fun with him first.. like put him in the ring w/ mike tyson. :crazyboy:

punishment: life wit michael jackson

yea some head butting and ear biting would be nice:funny:

I doubt he will be executed if he is tried in front of an international tribunal. After all, the only democratic country that allows capital punishment is the United States. :rolleyes: What did Milosevic get? But seeing how we want to do things our way all the time, maybe he would.

Nuremburg...

Originally posted by Horatiu
Nuremburg...

Key note: That was over 55 years ago. France was still using the guillotine. :rolleyes:

Or better Yet



Life with MORON :o :crazyboy:

Originally posted by Moron
Or better Yet



Life with MORON :o :crazyboy:
:|

You think they caught a look-a-like? Why would a look-a-like be hiding in a hole in the ground with 2 ak-47's?

Anyway, a small victory for the United States.

Anyone think anything should be added? It's really short.

To be published at www.freechoicemedia.com


Mission Incomplete: WMDs Anyone?

So our intelligence proved they can actually find someone. During a raid just outside Saddam Hussein’s hometown of Tikrit, they found the old stinker and former Iraqi leader dug in a camouflaged hole. The king of spades has been found, spurring President Bush to state, “A dark and painful era is over. A hopeful day has arrived.”

That seems to imply that the fighting is over now. Hell no. I don’t think Saddam was the mastermind behind the continuing attacks against United States (the most recent attack reported yesterday, I am now having trouble finding at CNN’s webpage). Unless of course that “rat in a hole” as one US official described it was capable of plotting all these attacks, they’re not going to stop. The non-stop coverage of the capture of Saddam Hussein is only a morale victory for troops, American citizens and some Iraqi people. The implications of the capture will be minimal in Iraq. He has been out of power for seven months yet soldiers continue to die every day. His “era” or reign was over the moment he was out of power and his terror then moved into the hands of organized loyalists.

An article in the Chicago Tribune asks, “Will he lead to bin Laden?” The question that should be asked now is whether he will lead to weapons of mass destruction. After all, the WMD are the reason we justified invading Iraq, on the claims that we were certain Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.. The weapons that after about seven months of occupation, we still have not found. It’s a key point now to ask the question to the former leader, “Where are the weapons?” And if he says that Iraq had none, will we be told? Most likely not because as far as we know now, he could, god-forbid, be speaking truth.

Originally posted by Joe
I doubt he will be executed if he is tried in front of an international tribunal. After all, the only democratic country that allows capital punishment is the United States. :rolleyes: What did Milosevic get? But seeing how we want to do things our way all the time, maybe he would.

Just to put u right the 4 nations of the UK still have capital punishment for treason.

Originally posted by Joe
Key note: That was over 55 years ago. France was still using the guillotine. :rolleyes:

Its no better than any other forum of capital punnishment. :p

Yeah, I know that and burning the Queen's Shipyards or something?

it seems that Bush got his xmas present early

Originally posted by northstar
Its no better than any other forum of capital punnishment. :p

I agree. I was just saying that's how outdated the Nuremburg Trials are today.

:D

(For publishing at Free Choice Media. Comments, additions anyone? Still short.)

Mission Incomplete: WMD Anyone?

So our intelligence proved they can actually find someone. During a raid just outside Saddam Hussein’s hometown of Tikrit, they found the old stinker and former Iraqi leader dug in a camouflaged hole. The king of spades has been found, spurring President Bush to state, “A dark and painful era is over. A hopeful day has arrived.”

That seems to imply that the fighting is over now. Hell no. I don’t think Saddam was the mastermind behind the continuing attacks against United States (the most recent attack reported yesterday, I am now having trouble finding at CNN’s webpage). Unless of course that “rat in a hole” as one US official described it was capable of plotting all these attacks, they’re not going to stop. The non-stop coverage of the capture of Saddam Hussein is only a morale victory for troops, American citizens and some Iraqi people. The implications of the capture will be minimal in Iraq. He has been out of power for seven months yet soldiers continue to die every day. His “era” or reign was over the moment he was out of power and his terror then moved into the hands of organized loyalists.

An article in the Chicago Tribune asks, “Will he lead to bin Laden?” The question that should be asked now is whether he will lead to weapons of mass destruction. After all, WMD are the reason we justified invading Iraq, on the claims that we were certain Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. The weapons that after about seven months of occupation, we still have not found.

It would be would be ironic if Hussein will be charged for crimes against humanity but not any WMD related charges. If this is the case, this logic is against the United States Constitution anyway. We invaded a country on the assumption (yes, that’s all it was) that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, not for the reason that Saddam was threatening his own people. That was just added on for a little bit of frosting. If the American people don’t buy the mass destruction thing, they do know he is a bad man who must be stopped. But assumptions of possession of WMD would be nothing in US law. You can’t be convicted on assumptions. You need evidence. I guess we figure that even though we haven’t found WMD, we’ll just bust him in something else even though it may not be the reason we invaded Iraq.

It’s a key point now to ask the question to the former leader, “Where are the weapons?” And if he says that Iraq had none, will we be told? Most likely not because as far as we know now, he could, god-forbid, be speaking truth.

Originally posted by Rob
:D

Hahaha well funny :funny:

Originally posted by Rob
:D

:funny:

Saddam's an idiot... should've just killed himself when he had the chance, then the US wouldnt win.. but then again, maybe he has a master plan.. like he has a bomb implanted in his small intestine, and when/if they bring him to the US, he presses a part of his body where the detonator's lodged and he explodes! :o :confused:

Yuck. That would be messy. :crazyboy:

he didn't kill himself cuz he's a PUSSY. and yet he urges others to go out and fight and die for "freedom"...

:confused:
Killing himself would be the easy way out IMO.

I still cant believe he has surrendered. he's too ****in stubborn to surrender that easy. I hate that ****in bastard. Go to hell SADDAM...

Originally posted by m3th0d
yet he urges others to go out and fight and die for "freedom"...

er, I think you are confusing him with Bush... :confused:

Whoopy doo.............. Saddam is caught.......... They found the evil dictator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What a load of bull****. He may be caught, it might be true, but this has little to no relevance. There are still no WMD. Now that Saddam is caught will the US war machine be creating excuses to go on incursions into other countries with leaders who are not really nice guys?

This sends a message to Tony Blair and John Howard - do not make yourself an ally of the United States. 15 years afterwards they will come for you and hunt you down.

I can see a similar thing with Musharaf in Pakistan. His shady politics, I mean military coup to get into power may see him be attacked in 15 years time.:rolleyes: How can Musharaf be an ally for freedom and peace, and Saddam an enemy.







It stinks, it always has, it always will.


































LONG LIVE SADDAM!:hump:

Originally posted by JTNY








It stinks, it always has, it always will.


































LONG LIVE SADDAM!:hump:




I feel your pain BROTHER!!! :rockman:



NO BUSH 2004 :rockman: :D

Originally posted by rhizome17
er, I think you are confusing him with Bush... :confused:

what i meant was that saddam urges his people to be martyrs and to go out there and blow themselves up while he just kicks it in his little "spider hole", lmao. he should've just shot himself or at least fought back and died like a man.

Originally posted by m3th0d
what i meant was that saddam urges his people to be martyrs and to go out there and blow themselves up while he just kicks it in his little "spider hole", lmao. he should've just shot himself or at least fought back and died like a man.


Ah..... which world leaders who commit troops to war do not send out troops and expect some to die and do not themselves join the fight?

Died like a man....? Come on.:rolleyes:

Now I am missing out on the cricket because of some news special on Saddam's capture. Nice and biased.

"Cowering in a hole......"
"Freedom and hope......"
"Death, Terrorise.........."


:kader: :kader:

"Little talk of the illusive WMD, Saddam is enough...":kader:

EDIT: Now they showed interviews from CNN of Americans ont he streets in America.
"Hiding in a hole with a million dollars... show what a coward he really was."
"It is good, we caught another one... I support George W"

Then this stupid newsbreak showed that same old picture of Saddam handling the swords.

Then Bush comes up, saying some jargon along the lines of, how it symbolises that the US will stop the men in the middle east who will rather kill than accept liberty.:kader:

I figure I can escape this trash and watch the cricket, but it just pulls you back in.:kader:

Originally posted by JTNY
Now I am missing out on the cricket because of some news special on Saddam's capture. Nice and biased.

"Cowering in a hole......"
"Freedom and hope......"
"Death, Terrorise.........."


:kader: :kader:

"Little talk of the illusive WMD, Saddam is enough...":kader:

EDIT: Now they showed interviews from CNN of Americans ont he streets in America.
"Hiding in a hole with a million dollars... show what a coward he really was."
"It is good, we caught another one... I support George W"

Then this stupid newsbreak showed that same old picture of Saddam handling the swords.

Then Bush comes up, saying some jargon along the lines of, how it symbolises that the US will stop the men in the middle east who will rather kill than accept liberty.:kader:

I figure I can escape this trash and watch the cricket, but it just pulls you back in.:kader:

yeah its ****tin me up the wall...cmon its day 4 here we want to know whats going on!! damn goddamn news stories...if i miss bits of the cricket im going to be pissed. i mean this news has been all over the tv...we dont need to hear the same **** repeated 20 times over...

:wootman:

They took of sports to show it?

It should be on the news channels only.

first of all let me ask this. the US has been talking over and over and over about breaking the geneva conventions when the American troops were shown on video basically just being questioned. but now saddam is showed getting a flea and lice check and shaving and this isnt breaking any geneva conventions?? that is just inhumane. i dont like the damn guy but he is a human too and he has rights also. why does the US get to break the laws and conventions but no one else cant?

Because nobody wants lice...and he was in the ground, there's bugs there.

Originally posted by Ljungberg08
Because nobody wants lice...and he was in the ground, there's bugs there.

read the post....i said in front of cameras which is degrading a former leader of a country no matter how bad he was.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by m3th0d
what i meant was that saddam urges his people to be martyrs and to go out there and blow themselves up while he just kicks it in his little "spider hole", lmao. he should've just shot himself or at least fought back and died like a man.

And one could say Bush urges his people to go out and fight wars while he kicks back in the oval office.

Anyway, put yourself in Saddams shoes. He definitely knows he won't be executed. At worst he will get a trial and a very long prison sentence. And even better, a trial that will be broadcast live on international television. And that is his chance to embarrass the americans one last time, because he has a deep personal knowledge of the assistance he was given by the americans throughout the seventies and eighties... information that the current administration has tried to keep hidden. After all, it was Rumsfeld who negotiated the deal for the stuff used to gas the kurds in Northern Iraq. Speaking of which, did you know that an investigation at the time undertaken by the Americans concluded that it was the Iranians who deployed the chemical weapons? My, how spin can change things.

And Sukur, we have reached a phase where the americans don't give a damn about international laws and treaties. They have got away with Guantanemo, they have got away with breaking weapons treaties, etc. etc. They think they can make the rules up as they go along, cos noone can stop them.

Originally posted by JTNY

What a load of bull****. He may be caught, it might be true, but this has little to no relevance. There are still no WMD. Now that Saddam is caught will the US war machine be creating excuses to go on incursions into other countries with leaders who are not really nice guys?

This sends a message to Tony Blair and John Howard - do not make yourself an ally of the United States. 15 years afterwards they will come for you and hunt you down.


yeah thats real ignorant. But if you want ignorance how about this... since our president/govt is so evil why dont someone liberate us?? I mean thats what your saying isnt it? I mean everyone talknig about Bush is worse than Saddam or Bush is gonna be the next Hitler. Some of yall need to grow up. Talking about 15 years we will hunt down our allies... ok whatever. And how does capturing Saddam have no relevence? I mean When we couldnt find him everyone was like why cant they find Saddam or wheres Saddam? Now since we found him its no relevence..... some people make me laugh

It is irrelevant as far as the Iraqi reistance goes. But it is relevant for propaganda purposes. I personally can't wait to hear the details of all the meetings between Saddam and Rumsfeld, all the forms of collusion the americans have had with him since 1958. Lets see if Bush tries to keep him quiet until after the election, or if Saddam suffers a 'mishap' and 'accidently dies' before he can go on trial. Another Ruby, anyone?

Originally posted by LilPlayaJosh
yeah thats real ignorant. But if you want ignorance how about this... since our president/govt is so evil why dont someone liberate us?? I mean thats what your saying isnt it? I mean everyone talknig about Bush is worse than Saddam or Bush is gonna be the next Hitler. Some of yall need to grow up. Talking about 15 years we will hunt down our allies... ok whatever. And how does capturing Saddam have no relevence? I mean When we couldnt find him everyone was like why cant they find Saddam or wheres Saddam? Now since we found him its no relevence..... some people make me laugh

Well, because most people who think our regime is evil are against war in the first place. That's the first argument I could make there. And the reason they say we will be hunting down our allies fifteen years from now is because we're doing that now. I personally didn't care if we couldn't find Hussein or that we found him now. Good job, we caught an 'evil' (oh, how that word is tossed around) dude, yes. I'm sure he'll spew some pretty juicy information, but I bet it will be downplayed to hell by the US government and media. Oh yeah, have we found the reason why we went into Iraq in the first place? No. It's also funny that it took the United States and the world's best intelligence seven months to find him.

Anyway, I need to study for final exams, dammit.

It doesnt matter what Bush did or didnt do. The left wing doesnt care, they will find something to complain about. Just like when Clinton was in office, the right did the same thing. And in this case, the extreme left wing individuals are worthless. I dont even waste my time on their bull****.

Originally posted by JTNY
Ah..... which world leaders who commit troops to war do not send out troops and expect some to die and do not themselves join the fight?

Died like a man....? Come on.:rolleyes:

you're missing my point... saddam brainwashed his people into thinking he was some kind of mythical figure who was fearless and strong. now his people he urged for to die are seeing americans picking at him while he just sits there helpless.

but yeah i know where u and rhizome stand on this issue... and i can see how easy it is to see this whole iraqi conflict as bush's personal vandetta. didn't he say he was gonna get revenge on sadam after that assassination attempt on his dad in 94? :crazyboy:

Originally posted by xxxFLYERxxx
It doesnt matter what Bush did or didnt do.

Oh it does so matter. Come on, if Saddam goes to a trial where the US are running the show, it will be a joke. Would you allow a murderer to be tried by his accomplice? Would that be fair on the victims?

No, I bet you wouldn't. Bush, or rather his old man and his mates, have been pals with Saddam for a long time. Rumsfeld described Saddam as a 'man of peace'. Now if these same guys are going to preside over a trial, there is no way it can be taken seriously.

m3th0d, I don't see the war as a personal vendetta. The war was planned from as long back as 1997 when Rumsfeld Wolfowitz et al were pressuring Clinton to invade Iraq. This war is just one step of many in an attempt to establish US hegemony and dominance acrss the globe.

YEA!!


SADDAM TELL THE TRUTH IN TRIAL!!!!


THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!! :rockman:

Originally posted by rhizome17
No, I bet you wouldn't. Bush, or rather his old man and his mates, have been pals with Saddam for a long time. Rumsfeld described Saddam as a 'man of peace'. Now if these same guys are going to preside over a trial, there is no way it can be taken seriously.

But would a mate kill a friend's sons and force a mate to go into hiding? I don't buy that one, sorry. When did Rumsfeld describe Saddam as a 'man of peace' and if you can find that, I would like the entire quote.

Originally posted by Sukur54
read the post....i said in front of cameras which is degrading a former leader of a country no matter how bad he was.:rolleyes:

He deserved it...hell, i'd do the same to Bush.

Originally posted by sebastian_ncfc
to be honest i dont think he has been:(



stupid me:f***:

damn he was ugly wen they foundim....nothin how i expected , huge beard grey hair.....yuck:crazyboy:

Originally posted by sebastian_ncfc
stupid me:f***:

damn he was ugly wen they foundim....nothin how i expected , huge beard grey hair.....yuck:crazyboy:

Yeah, because we all judge male leaders on how attractive they are. :rolleyes:

Joe: especially AHNULD!

Social-psychological voting is what it's called.

Originally posted by Joe
Yeah, because we all judge male leaders on how attractive they are. :rolleyes:

:D great post joe :evil:

Originally posted by rhizome17
Would you allow a murderer to be tried by his accomplice? .

Because its you, Rhizome, i dont know if its Bush or Saddam you're talking about.

And I was saying, it doesnt matter what Bush does in regards to the liberals.

Now that Saddam has been captured, its Osama Bin Laden Time~~:rockman:

well maybe as u r located where osama lives, maybe you could help out :rolleyes:

Its Secret~~;)

Originally posted by Joe
But would a mate kill a friend's sons and force a mate to go into hiding? I don't buy that one, sorry. When did Rumsfeld describe Saddam as a 'man of peace' and if you can find that, I would like the entire quote.

Course you would, when the mate is no longer useful and if anything detrimental to your ambitions in the region.

Take a look here, http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/, scroll down to the section 'Shaking Hands With Saddam Hussein', download the pdf's and get reading. They are all declassified documents from the National Security Archive, and contains the notes of meetings between Rumsfeld, Tariq Aziz, and Saddam Hussein in the early '80's. There is a whole bunch of stuff on how Reagan removed Iraq from the list of states sponsering terrorism :|, how he ensured the US could start exporting 'equipment' to Iraq, how they all knew about Iraqs deployment of chemical weaponry. Basically, they hang themselves with their own words.

Originally posted by JTNY
Ah..... which world leaders who commit troops to war do not send out troops and expect some to die and do not themselves join the fight?

My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

wtf is wit all this death penalty bull****..... killing him would only lower the west to his level... :rolleyes:

Yeah thats what i thought...Maybe he can be the new Iraqs first ever prisoner, and just be sentenced to life?

He'd be broken out of prison in a year......:rolleyes:

Bush has already lowered the west to his level

So if hes not gonna get death or life, what is it gonna be?

whatever happened to slobodan milosevic (sp?)...

well that's what sadam will be having. ;)

Last time I heard, Miloševic was being done for war crimes...

Glad they captured him and all because now he can face trial for his crimes.

Like rhizome though I'm also interested to hear what he has to say (if he does) about the US/UK/etc. involvement in helping him commit the attrocities that they used to gloss over the fact that we went to war against them based on suspicion of WMDs.

Quick question though as a thought occurred to me.

All this talk of him being tried under Iraqi law... While I agree that he should be tried by the people against whom the attrocities were committed 100%, I now have a cynicism against any motive our govts use for anything as they obviously feel that we can be lied to, and I'd be interested to hear any truthful comments from the past 12 months. This leads to scepticism as to why Saddam should be tried under Iraqi law when people like Milosevic, amongst most other captured dictators, have been tried in International courts.

I realise that the USA does not recognise International courts (probably because they'd be in breach of most of the laws anyway, and would also be unrepentant, as they appear to deny any involvement with anything ever (they'd say slavery never happened if they thought they could get away with it)), but my gut feeling is that if Saddam implicates the US/UK in an International court it would be impossible to cover up and blame 'The Western judicial process'. Where as if he does it in Iraq, then if it isn't easily swept under the carpet, and I doubt much effort will be made to investigate any claims that may be made.

I mean, I heard on a BBC Interview last night some 'silver fox' with moustache (can't remember his name now), imply that the US doesn't care what the other Arab nations think of what should be done with Saddam anyway because, 'they don't offer fair elections or trials' (that's all of them, every Arab nation - or at least every one in the Arab league!!!) (Bit rich coming from US after it's last election debacle) I just thought that he could not say anything like that without being either racist or obnoxious.

he looks like santa!

I'm assuming even if he's given life in prison he'll be some martyr (well sort of) for those against the United States.

Violence leads to violence. :|

Originally posted by AcillateM
he looks like santa!

Found this browsing some other forum.

Originally posted by monkee
Glad they captured him and all because now he can face trial for his crimes.

Like rhizome though I'm also interested to hear what he has to say (if he does) about the US/UK/etc. involvement in helping him commit the attrocities that they used to gloss over the fact that we went to war against them based on suspicion of WMDs.




And what he has to say about the French, the Germans and Russians who at some point all helped Saddam so its not just the USA that had one time helped Saddam. All yall do is find stuff to go against America yet yall overlook any other countries involvement with the same situation.... I mean some of yall are critical of the US no matter what. I mean yall overlook the positives and exagerate the negatives. I mean I know some stuff the govt is doing is questionable but that goes the same for most govt's around the globe the US is just the only country that is on everyones news channels, over here the news channels rarely talk about what other countries are doing unless its about something the we are also involved in. And Rhizome what do you mean about global domination? you are exagerating so much Bush would never do that and you know it. Thats a pretty stubborn comment. Let me guess Bush is the next Hitler... lol ok

Originally posted by LilPlayaJosh
And what he has to say about the French, the Germans and Russians who at some point all helped Saddam so its not just the USA that had one time helped Saddam. All yall do is find stuff to go against America yet yall overlook any other countries involvement with the same situation.... I mean some of yall are critical of the US no matter what. I mean yall overlook the positives and exagerate the negatives. I mean I know some stuff the govt is doing is questionable but that goes the same for most govt's around the globe the US is just the only country that is on everyones news channels, over here the news channels rarely talk about what other countries are doing unless its about something the we are also involved in. And Rhizome what do you mean about global domination? you are exagerating so much Bush would never do that and you know it. Thats a pretty stubborn comment. Let me guess Bush is the next Hitler... lol ok

Noone (well, not me anyway) is saying that the French and the Russians and whoever else don't have links with Saddam that are as dodgy as the USA's. In fact, an argument could be made that it is precisely because Saddam was awarding oil contracts to the French and Russians in the past decade (to go into effect should the sanctions end), thereby freezing the US out of the second-largest oil reserves on the planet, was part of the reason the US was so eager to prosecute the war. Heck, Rummy admits as much in his 1997 correspondence with Clinton :| The purpose of Rumsfeld's visits in the early 80's was to negotiate deals regarding the Aqaba pipeline (go to the site I mentioned ealier in this thread and there it is, all in his own words, notes taken at his meetings with Aziz and Hussein :|)

Add to this the fact that it is the US and the UK who prosecuted this war. Most of the rationale in the buildup had to do with the proposition that Saddam had WMD. Now not once in Bushs rhetoric did he admit that deals struck under Reagan and Bush Snr. actually provided Saddam with the means to build and deploy WMD. Not once did he say that Rumsfeld was in Baghdad the very day that the UN came out against Iraq's use of WMD against Iran. The fact is, if you are going to prosecute a war, you better make sure your side is ship-shape before you go about accusing others. Rumsfeld has a skeleton in his closet and its name is Saddam. When questioned in 2002, Rumsfeld said the purpose of his visits in the 80's was to complain about Iraqs use of chemical weapons. Well why the hell do his own personal notes show they talked about everything BUT chemical weapons. Pipelines? - check. US assistance for the war against Iran? - check. Removing Iraq from the list of states sponsoring terrorism? - check. Increasing trade with US businesses? - check. Delivering a personal message of support from Reagan? - check.

And then the US refused to support a resoution from the UN condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons :| Smells like hypocrisy to me. Fact remains, Saddam can quite legitimately call up Rummy and Bush the Senior as a defence witness. Wouldn't that be great. :rolleyes:

As for global domination - here is a little tip. Type "Project for a New American Century" into google. What you will find is a website with a number of publications covering how the US should ensure its position of sole global superpower, based on financial and military might. How the US should intervene in states they regard as inhibiting this might. How the US should act in order to secure access to oil reserves. How the US should act to ensure the spread of US hegemony and influence across the globe.

The authors of these publications? Just about everyone involved with the current administration. And when you read them, you will be amazed at how much of their doctrine is being put into practice under Bush Jnr. The best thing is, noone can accuse me of posting left wing propaganda - it is so much more tasty when the fools spell it out themselves. Nothing 'stubborn' about my comment at all when you place it alongside the facts.

And if you read my posts, you will see I am one of the few who has never said Bush is the next Hitler :rolleyes:

I typed in "project for a new american century" and looked around the site for a bit, but I havent seen anything actually written or quoted by anyone from the current bush adm. But can you please tell me atleast one specific publication that is a actual member of the current Bush Adm., because I didnt look through everyhting so I probably missed it.. I appreciate it

If I didn't know any better I'd say it IS Santa

Originally posted by LilPlayaJosh
yeah thats real ignorant. But if you want ignorance how about this... since our president/govt is so evil why dont someone liberate us?? I mean thats what your saying isnt it? I mean everyone talknig about Bush is worse than Saddam or Bush is gonna be the next Hitler. Some of yall need to grow up. Talking about 15 years we will hunt down our allies... ok whatever. And how does capturing Saddam have no relevence? I mean When we couldnt find him everyone was like why cant they find Saddam or wheres Saddam? Now since we found him its no relevence..... some people make me laugh

The basis of this illegal incursion was that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Powell stated at the UN and the crazies also stated that Saddam that Iraq possessed weapons that were not only of mass destruction:rolleyes: but also able to be mobilised and deployed within 45 minutes. In addition there were the totally farcical reports that Saddam was sharbouring Al Qaeda which there is no evidence of.

It is true, Saddam was a heinous and murderous dictator. He did brutalise his people. As the weapons of mass destruction have yet to be found, supporters of the war have made reference that the US have removed an evil dictator, and that he gased the Kurds and the Iranians in the 80s. During this time Saddam was an ally of the US against Iran. His regime was already corrupted and he remained a dictator yet was an ally of the "freedom and peace loving US". Surely the vast sources of US intelligence knew about this at the time.

Saddam's capture is of no relevance as it does not justify the war at all. If the basis of the war was Saddam's removal, will the US be staging incursions into all other countries with rather shady regimes?

Originally posted by LilPlayaJosh
And what he has to say about the French, the Germans and Russians who at some point all helped Saddam so its not just the USA that had one time helped Saddam. All yall do is find stuff to go against America yet yall overlook any other countries involvement with the same situation.... I mean some of yall are critical of the US no matter what. I mean yall overlook the positives and exagerate the negatives. I mean I know some stuff the govt is doing is questionable but that goes the same for most govt's around the globe the US is just the only country that is on everyones news channels, over here the news channels rarely talk about what other countries are doing unless its about something the we are also involved in. And Rhizome what do you mean about global domination? you are exagerating so much Bush would never do that and you know it. Thats a pretty stubborn comment. Let me guess Bush is the next Hitler... lol ok

People like rhizome are arguing with ppl half their age... what do you expect.

Just like rhizome (and others, just so he doesn't feel isolated), the media NOW focuses on the bad things about the war on iraq, the media fails to focus on some of the good things that have come out of this incursion, even if the primary goal hasn't been completed.

"The uncovering of Saddam's mass graves is likewise barely mentioned. Nor are the big protests in Iraq against the terrorist "resistance". Nor are the polls that show Iraqis feel better off having been liberated, and don't want US troops to leave for at least a year."

Originally posted by LilPlayaJosh
I typed in "project for a new american century" and looked around the site for a bit, but I havent seen anything actually written or quoted by anyone from the current bush adm. But can you please tell me atleast one specific publication that is a actual member of the current Bush Adm., because I didnt look through everyhting so I probably missed it.. I appreciate it

Go back to the documents on Iraq and the Middle East from 1997-2000. There you will find articles by John Bolton and Paul Wolfowitz.

Anyway, Vice President Dick Cheney is a founding member of PNAC, along with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz is the ideological father of the group. Bruce Jackson, a PNAC director, served as a Pentagon official for Ronald Reagan before leaving government service to take a leading position with the weapons manufacturer Lockheed Martin.

*yawn*

U.S is stupid :p

Originally posted by Paul

even if the primary goal hasn't been completed.

what was that again?

Originally posted by Paul
The uncovering of Saddam's mass graves is likewise barely mentioned. Nor are the big protests in Iraq against the terrorist "resistance". Nor are the polls that show Iraqis feel better off having been liberated, and don't want US troops to leave for at least a year.

Mass graves were mentioned in the media numerous times after the war had started. And I expect if any new ones are found, they will be reported also. I have seen plenty of footage of Iraqis protesting against resistance bombings. But since the US response usually kills more civilians than resistance fighters, it is no surprise that the resistance continues to build. As for polls, would be nice if you could link me some. And just because people realise thay are better off without Saddam, is not the same as people thinking they are well off with the US there. But until a decent Iraqi police force and/ or military can be created, then it isn't a surprise if people want US troops to stay, if they are the only ones able to maintain a semblence of order.

And anyway, such polls are meaningless unless broken down into regions. People in Tikrit are less likely to want foreign troops around than say, the Kurds or people in Basre.

Actually Paul I have done my own little research and come up with an interesting article regarding the polls apparently showing the results you state.

You see, there was indeed a poll that was quoted by Dick Cheney as showing that Iraqis did not want the US troops to leave in a year. Now, this was the first poll undertaken in Iraq, and it was done by Zogby International. You can find their site here http://www.zogby.com/index.cfm. So far so good. This was indeed the poll quoted as saying the things you yourself say.

Anyway, what is interesting is that one of the directors of the polling company, James Zogby, has published his own response to Cheney's comments. And you know what? He felt so strongly about Cheney's comments that he titled the article "How the Poll Results on Iraq Were Manipulated" :|. Thats right, the very man responsible for the poll has written here http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1022-12.htm about how Cheney misused the results. On the issue of wanting US troops to stay, for example:

"When given the choice as to whether they "would like to see the American and British forces leave Iraq in six months, one year, or two years," 31.5 percent of Iraqis say these forces should leave in six months; 34 percent say a year, and only 25 percent say two or more years.

So while technically Cheney might say that "over 60 percent (actually it's 59 percent) ... want the US to stay at least another year," an equally correct observation would be that 65.5 percent want the US and Britain to leave in one year or less.

Other numbers found in the poll go further to dampen the vice president's and the AEI's rosy interpretations. For example, when asked if "democracy can work well in Iraq," 51 percent said "no; it is a Western way of doing things and will not work here."

And attitudes toward the US were not positive. When asked whether over the next five years, they felt that the "US would help or hurt Iraq,"50 percent said that the US would hurt Iraq, while only 35.5 percent felt the US would help the country. On the other hand, 61 percent of Iraqis felt that Saudi Arabia would help Iraq in the next five years, as opposed to only 7.5 percent, who felt Saudi Arabia would hurt their country. Some 50. 5 percent felt that the United Nations would help Iraq, while 18.5 percent felt it would hurt. Iran's rating was very close to the US', with 53. 5 percent of Iraqis saying Iran would hurt them in the next five years, while only 21. 5 percent felt that Iran might help them.

It is disturbing that the AEI and the vice president could get it so wrong. Their misuse of the polling numbers to make the point that they wanted to make, resembles the way critics have noted that the administration used "intelligence data" to make their case to justify the war. " (taken from the article).

So basically, whoever you got your quote from, has not done his/her own research as to Cheney's comments.

So there you go.

Freaking A Rhizome. Where's your FCM article? You've written like ten in this thread alone. :p

Gimme an angle :( (:/)

45(little hovering o) :D

Was gonna reply to LilPlayaJosh, but there's no need to repeat what has already been said by others.

However, not once did I say that the 'anti-war' coalition did not help Saddam commit his attrocities, but neither does that take away from the fact that those that are against him now, were once very much for him, right down to the very people, in the case of some in the US administration. At least the UK govt can say that it was people like Thatcher that supported Saddam, and they are no longer the current UK govt.

Then there's US representatives ignoring and denying facts and figures which are printed (as fact) in US govt documents. I thought I alluded to that in my previous post but I'm not going to check because I can't be arsed. I guess, what I'm saying is that these are flagrent, audatious lies, that you have to be blind not to see and stupid not to get angry/embarrassed about. I haven't seen the French, when asked questions saying things like, 'you can't say that, you're a liar.'

Your govt likes to argue against it's own published facts, which it will recognise if it suits itself, and accuse others of lying when they are used against it. Amazing.

But then I guess you don't want to be accused of being unpatriotic if you question Dubya.inc

Originally posted by shokz
Found this browsing some other forum.


hehehe

Did anyone see the documentary with John Pilger? Last week on SBS, it had footage of Rumsfeld and Hussein shaking hands like the buddies they were.

Good God, the American (Administration) are morons. Wish bin Laden would bomb the White House. (With Bush in it). Only Bush, though. And maybe Rumsfeld.

That's not too cruel is it? :(

Originally posted by Torsten Frings
Did anyone see the documentary with John Pilger? Last week on SBS, it had footage of Rumsfeld and Hussein shaking hands like the buddies they were.

Good God, the American (Administration) are morons. Wish bin Laden would bomb the White House. (With Bush in it). Only Bush, though. And maybe Rumsfeld.

That's not too cruel is it? :(

:kader: :kader: :kader:

Originally posted by Torsten Frings
Did anyone see the documentary with John Pilger? Last week on SBS, it had footage of Rumsfeld and Hussein shaking hands like the buddies they were.

Good God, the American (Administration) are morons. Wish bin Laden would bomb the White House. (With Bush in it). Only Bush, though. And maybe Rumsfeld.

That's not too cruel is it? :(

Then there would be nowhere for the first female US president to go (H)

That video is available on the web too.

OK, OK, too harsh. Just lost control...Bush and his cronies just annoy me a bit. Sorry everyone.