I dont know where to start first, but I just need to say Im one of those FIFA series supporters who have bought the series from FIFA96. There are obviously ups and downs throughout, and I still miss FIFA98, ROTC98 and FIFA2003. In fact I missed them so much that I uninstall FIFA2004 and reinstall FIFA2003 (with a outsider patch though, sigh...)

FIFA2004 is a new lowpoint for EA really, and here's my list, which I suggest people to keep on adding...
1) extremely slow players
2) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easily
3) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfield
4) pinball like ball physics
5) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
6) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
7) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
8) banana like parabola for a shot
9) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
10) what kind of menu is that
11) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
12) team formation display, 8 players only?
13) slippery floor
14) poor research in every aspect of the game
15) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
17) Where is the instant replay recorder?
18) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
19) Poor highlight after the game
19) The list goes on...

In a nutshell, the gameplay sucks badly. Im really wondering what kind of amateur programmer EA employs. They probably rewrite every games every year, which sees gameplay (or without it) changes every year. Everytime I try to play it, I get more angry... I need enjoyment from a game, not loathe.

Of course there are something great about FIFA2004. Its graphics and audio is awesome. Motson and McCoist mumbles rubbish sometimes, but audio is not bad. The player's face, which looks still like a sculpture is good and its like a movie. Ah that's the point, EA is producing a movie or a sim from FIFA2004. They are not selling a game. EA is Electronic Arts, not Games. Maybe we're expecting too much from an amateur.

My wishlist for FIFA2005? I hope it'll never come out, and let others do the job for soccer gamers.

its seems impossible 2 score a free kick. the only 1s i av evr scored hit the ground be4 getttin 2 the goal and then bobblin ova the keeper. it is 2 hard 2 score and almost impossible 2 get a spectacular top corner goal frm a free kick

First it is easy to score from a free kick and second stop complaing. This is thread number one million on why you guys hate FIFA. None of these are new complants. You guys just bitch about the same the same things over and over than I bitch at you to stop bitching about it. Please I know Fifa is not the best game but I do not mind playing it and I am not alone on that statment. I would say in conclusion this post was Bitchin'.

Get the kashif jamal gameplay patch if you want good gameplay....

Originally posted by atchan
I dont know where to start first, but I just need to say Im one of those FIFA series supporters who have bought the series from FIFA96. There are obviously ups and downs throughout, and I still miss FIFA98, ROTC98 and FIFA2003. In fact I missed them so much that I uninstall FIFA2004 and reinstall FIFA2003 (with a outsider patch though, sigh...)

FIFA2004 is a new lowpoint for EA really, and here's my list, which I suggest people to keep on adding...
1) extremely slow players
2) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easily
3) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfield
4) pinball like ball physics
5) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
6) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
7) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
8) banana like parabola for a shot
9) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
10) what kind of menu is that
11) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
12) team formation display, 8 players only?
13) slippery floor
14) poor research in every aspect of the game
15) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
17) Where is the instant replay recorder?
18) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
19) Poor highlight after the game
19) The list goes on...

In a nutshell, the gameplay sucks badly. Im really wondering what kind of amateur programmer EA employs. They probably rewrite every games every year, which sees gameplay (or without it) changes every year. Everytime I try to play it, I get more angry... I need enjoyment from a game, not loathe.

Of course there are something great about FIFA2004. Its graphics and audio is awesome. Motson and McCoist mumbles rubbish sometimes, but audio is not bad. The player's face, which looks still like a sculpture is good and its like a movie. Ah that's the point, EA is producing a movie or a sim from FIFA2004. They are not selling a game. EA is Electronic Arts, not Games. Maybe we're expecting too much from an amateur.

My wishlist for FIFA2005? I hope it'll never come out, and let others do the job for soccer gamers.

best post since fifa2004 got out!

totally agree with you!

You forgot the lack of shinyness on the box.

i have the ps2 version of fifa 2004 , i think its a good game.Some minor problems but nothing more.There are too many people here that want the perfect game , and if it isnt, oh...all those complainments.Just play the game and have fun ;) .

And oh the free kick system , LOL.Easy as hell.Always the most beautifull goals.Though i think there might be some differences from the pc version and ps2 version.I mean the gameplay then.

My opninion ( from someone who just wants to have fun in a soccer game with nice graphics and nice gameplay) : its a good game.I still got fifa 2001 for the ps2.If you see how much EA improved the game from fifa 2001 and fifa 2004 . wow . i must say good job.

And i play fifa 2004 every evening with my brother who cant beat me most of the times , fun times :D :rockman:

FIFA2004 Disappointment List :

fifa 2004 itself
:rolleyes:

do you want to play a perfect football game?
grab a ball and go play with your mates
there will never be a perfect football game
fifa is good, has a lot of bugs and etc but its fun and thats what matters
cheers :ewan:

I've stopped playing this game since the day i bought it:kader:

There are two types of fifa player

1. The one who loves football, plays it all the time and gets home and just ones two play a more relaxing type, they dont (or atleast i dont) care what the gameplay is like as long as its great fun which'll last a while

2. Fat person who watches it on the t.v and thats there only real experience, they want to get as close to playing real footy as possible so they want fifa to be perfectly realistic. Lazy feckers

:funny:

Sooo true, its just a game, fantasy. I admit that we must complaim so that it evolves.

The only disapppoinment for me is
1. No creation center. WIth a veritile CC we can make the game a lot more fun.
2. NO Japanese team, and the korean team wastes too much space with their faces. and they are way overrated!

Another thing:
So much, so much, so much bugs at EA Sports Online!!!
I really think we should doubt about the skills of the team who made Fifa2004.
Though i dislike many aspects of the game i still keep playing it, hours after hours.

Cheers

that list sucked....for one the players are not slow...second...why on earth would anyone care about the highlights.

I dont see the point of starting this thread. Is to annoy EA?:rolleyes:

There are two types of fifa player

1. The one who loves football, plays it all the time and gets home and just ones two play a more relaxing type, they dont (or atleast i dont) care what the gameplay is like as long as its great fun which'll last a while

2. Fat person who watches it on the t.v and thats there only real experience, they want to get as close to playing real footy as possible so they want fifa to be perfectly realistic. Lazy

The day that konami and EA make a soccer game together maybe that will be the most perfect soccer game (no perfect at all)
There some points that dont like about Fifa but i still playing it:
A lot of bugs (Fix it for 2005)
Theres no ages you cant know if player is too old or what
and they dont make The CC, that really sucks!!!

So stop crying, anyway what you going to do?
Sue EA or what?

Sorry for the bad english

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, BUT nothing is perfect, especially a PC soccer game. I still like FIFA 2004, I continue to play it against the PC and online but I hope that EA takes a closer look and makes FIFA 2005 amazing. FIFA 2003 was a big improvement over FIFA 2002, but FIFA 2004 wasn't as big a step up over FIFA 2003. Hopefully the menus will be better, the goalkeepers will improve, the long range shooting bug will be fixed, the computer attacks will be more than just straight up the middle and the stadiums won't be as shadowy. I've already listed what I thought were improvements on another post. Overall FIFA 2004 isn't as bad as many people will make you think it is. It's better than most games out there.

u my friend... r a noob.. i say that with utmost respect and i will tell you why..

If this had been my FIRST day playing fifa 2004.. i WOULD HAVE TOTALLY AGREED WITH YOU.. BUT I DONT :) Why? well ill tell you why.. Ive played over 300 games online, mostly 6 minute games ( 12-15 total) and the more i play.. the better i get.. the more i win.. and the More i love fifa.

Im not bragging.. but everyone b4 me, and those who follow me.. either already love fifa, or are beginning to love fifa 2004. Its only common knowledge that when u are good at something, you have fun with it.. But when you arent good at it, you either criticize it or.. you get mad and slam your controller against the wall! This is not to be offensive to you.. it is to simply tell you that BASED ON EXPERIENCE i have hated this game on the 1st thru 3rd week. Ever since the 2nd month ive had this game.. Ive loved it more and more, hence.. i have been winning more and more. So my tip to you is.. PLAY THE GAME MORE AND GOOD LUCK :)

jes its not that bad

Originally posted by FF7
do you want to play a perfect football game?
grab a ball and go play with your mates
there will never be a perfect football game
fifa is good, has a lot of bugs and etc but its fun and thats what matters
cheers :ewan:

Idd. If you want the perfect game , grab a ball and go play soccer with maties.Though you need skills also to have fun (H)

I play soccer as much as i can.But its winter now , instead of snow there is too many raining around here :o

Originally posted by AcillateM
best post since fifa2004 got out!

totally agree with you!

but we've seen it a million times:rolleyes:

y dnt u all focus on the gd stuff bout fifa not jst all the bad stuff. and the bad stuff u say is reely lame, its jst the slightest tings.

1.Ppl who bring it home spending money and with hope...........has
every right to say his disappointment every time..............even if it is 1 billion times or more........:f***:

2. Those guys give suggestion " Do not play Fifa anymore and stop posting....." ..........here is my advice to them " Why u clever
guys read those posts?????????? u simply dont check those posts
and play the F***ing game like idiots every day".

No one is saying that EA should bring real Football...........but it is frustating to know..........when u cant add anything ........why
do u remove the good stuff.....

Here i think EA can easily do this stuff........if they at all thinks for
their customers..........

1.Players running like they are carrying a 9 month baby......dont u think it can be avoided?

2.CC vanished.............dont u think it can be avoided?

3.Net like still...............dont u think it can be avoided?

4.Skill move came down to 8 to 1 .....and it is impossible to perform.........whereas in Fifa2003.....it was ok and quite good...........they simply delete that......dont u think it can be avoided?

5.No replay saving............dont u think it can be avoided?

6.Poor highlights............dont u think it can be avoided?

7.No wing back,no offside button

8.And lot of stuff which EA could have easily put it as it is....

This time it has too far

fat boy

lazy

here's my list of recomendations for EA to improve for next time:

1. International tournies (World Cup and Euro 2004...but if there's a way to do them that i missed let me know)

2. the menus are annoying and clumsy to use, i spend half my time navigating the menus. i wish they could be cleaned up

3. Having lower divisions is a great idea, but not at the expence of other leagues (Greek, Turkish, Hungarian, Russian, Mexican, ect...don't try to tell me the Swiss league is that much better than the Greek or Turkish ones). That might just be me, but I think it adds a ton of depth to the game.

4. In keeping with that, in old versions of FIFA I could make my fav. leagues, but not now since there's no creation centre or customisation deal. Maybe EA will make one available online, but cmon...CC is crucial

5. Deepen career mode, clarify it, and make transfers less complicated. I still can't figure out prestige points, maybe that's just me, but it seems like it could be more straight-forward

That said, I'm having alot of fun with FIFA, there's alot that's great with it, but these are just some things I'd like to see for next time

this game is horrible :kader:

The game sucks big times ! ! ! After playing FIFA 2003 you would expect something better maybe not awhole lot but not what it has turned to.I played 2003 for so much its not even funny and I purchased 2004 2 days ago(Dec,24) and returned it today.So so dissapointed :mad: I just hope EA sports gets their shyt together and for 2005 have a beter game. I dont know why people get upset with what others say on here, after all its a message board,either you can read on post about the subject or you can move along.



PEACE.

THE PLAYERS ARE ALL TOO SLOW! I cannot stand it!

the other thing that really gets me mad, is the fact that MADDEN and NBA LIVE have creation centers, you can edit/create a player!

I THINK FIFA2005 NEEDS to have the creation center back ASAP.

Can you imagine if you can create guys like MARADONA, PELE, GARRINCHA, CRUYFF, PLATINI. and create a legends pool or a team. THAT'S total exicement!!!

I'll have to agree. Overall I love FIFA, but '04 has been a really big disappointment to me. I thought it might have just been me that was frustrated with this game, but after 2003 I was really expecting more from FIFA.

The graphics are great, the sound is great, but the game play leaves a lot to be desired and is really disappointing.

I suppose if I keep playing it will get better, but its so damn frustrating....

I dun really play much with FIFA 2004...I just play the friendly for mostly 2 to 3 matches>>>altho I can't said that I hate the game...but really is disappointing overall.. where's the referee and the linesman?? and I feel more comfortable when I keep taping the 'W' for sprint (like many previous FIFA version before)..rather holding the 'E' button for sprint..
However I really enjoy the great faces and all the realistic kits..stadium..and the atmosphere in the game

ironically..All that excited me is not the gameplay

FIFA series is just too inconsistent

Originally posted by Terminator X
There are two types of fifa player

1. The one who loves football, plays it all the time and gets home and just ones two play a more relaxing type, they dont (or atleast i dont) care what the gameplay is like as long as its great fun which'll last a while

2. Fat person who watches it on the t.v and thats there only real experience, they want to get as close to playing real footy as possible so they want fifa to be perfectly realistic. Lazy feckers


This is the most illogical post I've read this year. You've got it the wrong way round. People who like to play the game in real life want a realistic simulation to reflect what they enjoy in real life. People who never play the game and just couch out all the time aren't that bothered about gameplay because they have little correlation of the gameplay to real life situations.

I want to be able to play a game that reflects what happens in real life not some freaking fantasy game that is less like the real thing than the version that came out 6 years previously. FIFA 2004 may be a step on from FIFA 2003 but if I couldn't produce a game better than the one I made 6 years ago I'd fire my staff and hire some programmers who knew their ass from their elbow!

Oh, and Terminator X, before you come out with your all-encompassing "fat boy/lazy" comment, I run the 100m in 11.07, a mile in 4.53, 3 miles in 15.16 and play 12-15 hours of sports a week. You have to actually come up with a valid argument to support things you say, not rely on pathetic lame "fat/lazy" comments to back up your opinions!!!

PES3 is the answer to all this dont you agree Wolf ?

Originally posted by Axelforce
PES3 is the answer to all this dont you agree Wolf ?

Yep bro, could say that but then they ban you for suggesting an alternative, lol!!!!!

Seriously though, PES fanboy as I am, I sincerely wish EA would come out with a difinitive soccer sim. I think everybody should give EA one last, last chance and if FIFA 2005 has stuff missing that is just plain dumb, still hasn't got it's crap together then people should leave it well alone. EA, I freaking love you for the Madden, NHL and Golf games but soccer, you really don't have it together.

I can understand that some people have fun with FIFA 2004 and I respect that and the fusion with CM2004 is a great idea, no doubt. The big prob is though, even with the hardcore EA fanboys, FIFA 98 still ranks as the best title gameplay title and 6 years later, that just ain't right.

Anybody who wants to come over to the light, you know where we are!!!!!!!!!!!!1

For me they just kill it off,
when there are no leagues to play .
just that freakin fantasy dynasty mode

FIFA 98 unlimited teams in a league to choose of
U could play all the games in a league, the English with
20 teams the Italy with 18 teams and so on.

Fifa 99 unlimited
Fifa 2000 8 teams
Fifa 2001 8 teams
Fifa 2002 1 team
Fifa 2003 8 team
Fifa 2004 1 team

So the question is FIFA 2005 0 teams?

Id say my big disappointments are:
-No Uefa Cup or Champ League in Tournament section
-No International tournament (World Cup etc)
-When finally in Chmp League the game puts 3 teams from same country in group...something which UEFA makes sure NOT to do. The reason I like Chmp League in the past is that its finally a chance to play teams outside of league..not this time Im afraid. COME ON EA!!!!!!!!

I dont think EA did a very good job of QUALITY CONTROL before they sent this game out

Too many quirks,and the gameplay lacks realism. Did they not notice this before the release ???

Every year, the game is SUPPOSED to get better, not stay even, or get WORSE !!!!

Originally posted by manutd4eva
I've stopped playing this game since the day i bought it:kader:


SO you bought the game to stop playing it ??? How original .... I haven't heard this one before ......

haha lol manutd4eva

Am I the only one that's getting increasingly PO'ed by the menus?

Those are the worst things ever...I spend half my time navigating through the darn things when I should be playing the game...the whole set up is a disaster, it's like they're trying to make it difficult to use :f***:

The menu is a disaster quit so

yes.......it is a S*** to use the menu..........

And i also cant find how "fatboy/lazy" make any sense.....?????/
Any one who have played the game can only feel how unrealistic it is.....
ayway......i think it is not so bad as i thought.........atleast they r
heading the right way.....
Just think.........fifa98,99,2000,2001,2002,wc2002..... ......are almost the same game..........and they suffer from 2 basic problem

1.Static , prescripted gameplay
2.Ball sticking to feet

But now......it is completly removed,graphics is great,gameplay is random!, broadcast cam angle...........etc........and i dont think the
gameplay is so bad........it is more realistic.......

1.tuff to score
2.Diff betwwen great and avg player
3.Fatigue effect.......etc..

Now it is impossible to score just by pressing buttons......i think........

20) Whats up with the crowd...u can play a match between Man U and Newcastle in an empty stadium (oval style)! Really unrealistic...Nice job EA...**** EA! THey never release a proper football game!

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7


I want to be able to play a game that reflects what happens in real life not some freaking fantasy game that is less like the real thing than the version that came out 6 years previously.


You are spot on with that. I cant understand people who say 'go out and play then, but this is a computer game'.
I play football regular, not competitive anymore though I used to.
I want my computer game to represent as closely as possible the game as I watch on TV and used to play. Anything else (like most of the Fifas, is just a frustration. I dont see players in real life backing off till your opponent has controled the ball, or after the shot has rebounded to thier keeper/defender, or players running in that big circumference, or defenders who cannot speed up till they have touched the ball. And when I decide I want my defender not to head the ball, but he has time for it to drop to his feet, I get that fart little header drops to the opponent.
I really wonder if they do it on purpose every year, they make some aspects good, but then there are defiencies that werent there the year before. I wonder if they think 'we cant produce the perfect game because they wont buy anymore after that'.
Now that does sound stupid, but then why has the game gone backwards in some areas every new release.
Just remember all the Fifas, and if you could piece the good things from them all you would have a wonderful game. But EA fail to do this, so tell me wots the answer?


I know some people are very good at this game, I have played them. But they are just used to using the faults to their advantage (like that offside bug for eg).

This game is not the football that I know.
If Pro evo had online community this Fifa would be in the bin for me and many other PC peeps.

Another ****in problem is when you get a red card in coppa italia(cassano:kader: (H) ) you can't play the next game which is usually a season game, when you should really only not be able to play the next coppa italia game.:rolleyes:

my complaints for PS2 version :
1. No International Cup mode. :rolleyes:
2. Only 37 NT. :f***:

Im sorry to have initiated such a big fight in this forum. I believe however one should be open to different viewpoints...

I do want to clarify one thing: My complaint list is not to denounce EA or anything, nor am I that crazy to expect that a game will be so realistic that it can simulate every human motion to the highest precision. All I want to say is I dont understand why some features and achievements that had been produced in earlier versions have disappeared. I also dont understand what sort of testers (or do they have any) they employ which would allow such poor products. I really believe EA owes everyone who buys the game a big apologies.

I just checked out the forum of the official website of FIFA2004. I agree with one message there: I dont give a damn how good the graphics is, I think as gamers we would be happy with one stadium and two teams as long as the gameplay is good. That's why we got hooked up with earlier FIFA versions in the first place I believe. And that's why everyone is turning to PES or Winning Eleven 7. Take WE7 as an example: they dont have that many teams or stadia or crazy feature, and the version Im playing is japanese which I can hardly read any. But anyone who has played it will get hooked up once. Why? Because they present superior and impeccable gameplay rather than all kinds of nonsense movies and graphics.

Let me reiterate: I buy the game to play and enjoy, I dont buy the game to watch a movie.

Originally posted by atchan
I dont know where to start first, but I just need to say Im one of those FIFA series supporters who have bought the series from FIFA96. There are obviously ups and downs throughout, and I still miss FIFA98, ROTC98 and FIFA2003. In fact I missed them so much that I uninstall FIFA2004 and reinstall FIFA2003 (with a outsider patch though, sigh...)

FIFA2004 is a new lowpoint for EA really, and here's my list, which I suggest people to keep on adding...
1) extremely slow players
2) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easily
3) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfield
4) pinball like ball physics
5) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
6) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
7) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
8) banana like parabola for a shot
9) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
10) what kind of menu is that
11) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
12) team formation display, 8 players only?
13) slippery floor
14) poor research in every aspect of the game
15) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
17) Where is the instant replay recorder?
18) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
19) Poor highlight after the game
19) The list goes on...

In a nutshell, the gameplay sucks badly. Im really wondering what kind of amateur programmer EA employs. They probably rewrite every games every year, which sees gameplay (or without it) changes every year. Everytime I try to play it, I get more angry... I need enjoyment from a game, not loathe.

Of course there are something great about FIFA2004. Its graphics and audio is awesome. Motson and McCoist mumbles rubbish sometimes, but audio is not bad. The player's face, which looks still like a sculpture is good and its like a movie. Ah that's the point, EA is producing a movie or a sim from FIFA2004. They are not selling a game. EA is Electronic Arts, not Games. Maybe we're expecting too much from an amateur.

My wishlist for FIFA2005? I hope it'll never come out, and let others do the job for soccer gamers.

Amen.

Whenever I play this game, it frustrated me ever more to no end. Horrible control. Horrible gameplay.

I'm switching to PES3. See ya, EA!

I'm also disappointed there's no weather involved, always bright sunny, days....not that I have anything against that, but for realism's sake a few snowy or rainy days could go a long way

I really don't know why some peopl bother themselves to talk about the deficiencies of the game, though I fully agree with all of what they have said, yet I feel like I've read that same exact topic last year, and the year before it, and the year before it, all the way back to 1999.

I think that by now all of us should have already realized that EA DOESN'T want to create a perfect or nearly perfect soccer game. And frankly I don't blame them. The people are trying to make a living here. If they created that perfect game then they won't be able to create other soccer games and so they'll lose money. That's why, every year, they just produce a new game, adding some good new features and taking out some good old features that were present in previous titles. That's the only way that would enable them to tempt soccer fans every year to buy their game hoping to see that perfect soccer game that will never ever by created by EA.

Fifa 2004 is not a super soccer title, but IMO it's far more better than Fifa 2003. The graphics and audio are great as usual though Motson's "stuttering" sounds so stupid and fake. The gameplay has improved. The human controlled defenders are much better now than Fifa2003. Attacking was frustrating at the beginning as I wasn't able to get the ball anywhere close to the opponent's 18 yrds box (Pro level). But now after getting some useful notes from the people on this forum I've improved a lot especially after depending more on using the OTB system and changing my style from short ground passes to the good old English long ball style.

EA will remain the best selling soccer title for PC as long as it remians the ONLY title available for PC. I've tried PES3's demo but it didn't work on my machine (got that slo mo bug) so I'm not sure whether to get it or not. I've played WE and PES before on the PSone and WE2002 was far more better (gameplay wise) than any Fifa title ever released. But the game is too old now and it doesn't provide all those options you get in FIFA games.

I'd advise EA to try to improve their soccer games if that PES3 turned out to be a winner. If Konami succeeded on PC as they did with the PS, then EA wouldn't have much chance to stand against them with that kind of soccer games they've been producing since 1999.

Till this moment, the best soccer game ever released for the PC remains the one and only RTWC98. If only EA could have made all their soccer games as good as that one.

2. NO Japanese team, and the korean team wastes too much space with their faces. and they are way overrated!

They are underrated you idiot...but I do admit that Japan should be in the game...

Anyway Back to topic, I really want them to fix some online laggy problem and stuff like that and keep on updating patches...!

Originally posted by O'neill

Just remember all the Fifas, and if you could piece the good things from them all you would have a wonderful game. But EA fail to do this, so tell me wots the answer?

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Same question I've been wondering


IMO EA have to look at:

-Gameplay from RTWC98

-In game management from FIFA2000. You could preset 3 IGMs and by pressing spacebar you could change the IGM.

-crowd detail and chants from 2003. Away fans wearing the shirts of the home team in 2004. Might be a minor blunder but for me its almost the biggest. :P

is it just me or do EA reach a 'milestone' in making FIFA every time the World Cup come around.

think about that:p

Originally posted by som3a
I really don't know why some peopl bother themselves to talk about the deficiencies of the game, though I fully agree with all of what they have said, yet I feel like I've read that same exact topic last year, and the year before it, and the year before it, all the way back to 1999.

I think that by now all of us should have already realized that EA DOESN'T want to create a perfect or nearly perfect soccer game. And frankly I don't blame them. The people are trying to make a living here. If they created that perfect game then they won't be able to create other soccer games and so they'll lose money. That's why, every year, they just produce a new game, adding some good new features and taking out some good old features that were present in previous titles. That's the only way that would enable them to tempt soccer fans every year to buy their game hoping to see that perfect soccer game that will never ever by created by EA.

Fifa 2004 is not a super soccer title, but IMO it's far more better than Fifa 2003. The graphics and audio are great as usual though Motson's "stuttering" sounds so stupid and fake. The gameplay has improved. The human controlled defenders are much better now than Fifa2003. Attacking was frustrating at the beginning as I wasn't able to get the ball anywhere close to the opponent's 18 yrds box (Pro level). But now after getting some useful notes from the people on this forum I've improved a lot especially after depending more on using the OTB system and changing my style from short ground passes to the good old English long ball style.

EA will remain the best selling soccer title for PC as long as it remians the ONLY title available for PC. I've tried PES3's demo but it didn't work on my machine (got that slo mo bug) so I'm not sure whether to get it or not. I've played WE and PES before on the PSone and WE2002 was far more better (gameplay wise) than any Fifa title ever released. But the game is too old now and it doesn't provide all those options you get in FIFA games.

I'd advise EA to try to improve their soccer games if that PES3 turned out to be a winner. If Konami succeeded on PC as they did with the PS, then EA wouldn't have much chance to stand against them with that kind of soccer games they've been producing since 1999.

Till this moment, the best soccer game ever released for the PC remains the one and only RTWC98. If only EA could have made all their soccer games as good as that one.



Dat's a great post........ :Bow: :clapwap: :rockman:

1) extremely slow players
2) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easilyl
3) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfieldl
4) pinball like ball physics
5) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
6) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
7) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
8) banana like parabola for a shot
9) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
10) what kind of menu is that
11) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
12) team formation display, 8 players only?
13) slippery floor
14) poor research in every aspect of the game
15) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
16) Where is the instant replay recorder?
17) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
18) Poor highlight after the game extremely slow players
19) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easilyl
20) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfieldl
21) pinball like ball physics
22) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
23) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
24) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
25) banana like parabola for a shot
26) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
27) what kind of menu is that
28) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
29) team formation display, 8 players only?
30) slippery floor
31) poor research in every aspect of the game
32) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
33) Where is the instant replay recorder?
34) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
35) Poor highlight after the game
36) extremely slow players
37) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easilyl
38) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfieldl
39) pinball like ball physics
40) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
41) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
42) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
43) banana like parabola for a shot
44) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
45) what kind of menu is that
46) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
47) team formation display, 8 players only?
48) slippery floor
49) poor research in every aspect of the game
50) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
51) Where is the instant replay recorder?
52) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
53) Poor highlight after the game
54) extremely slow players
55) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easilyl
56) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfieldl
57) pinball like ball physics
58) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
59) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
60) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
61) banana like parabola for a shot
62) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
63) what kind of menu is that
64) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
65) team formation display, 8 players only?
66) slippery floor
67) poor research in every aspect of the game
68) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
69) Where is the instant replay recorder?
70) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
71) Poor highlight after the game
72) extremely slow players
73) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easilyl
74) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfieldl
75) pinball like ball physics
76) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
77) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
78) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
79) banana like parabola for a shot
80) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
81) what kind of menu is that
82) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
83) team formation display, 8 players only?
84) slippery floor
85) poor research in every aspect of the game
86) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
87) Where is the instant replay recorder?
88) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
89) Poor highlight after the game
90) extremely slow players
91) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easilyl
92) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfieldl
93) pinball like ball physics
94) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
95) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
96) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
97) banana like parabola for a shot
98) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
99) what kind of menu is that
100) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
101) team formation display, 8 players only?
102) slippery floor
103) poor research in every aspect of the game
104) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
105) Where is the instant replay recorder?
106) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
107) Poor highlight after the game
108) extremely slow players
109) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easilyl
110) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfieldl
111) pinball like ball physics
112) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
113) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
114) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
115) banana like parabola for a shot
116) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
117) what kind of menu is that
118) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
119) team formation display, 8 players only?
120) slippery floor
121) poor research in every aspect of the game
122) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
123) Where is the instant replay recorder?
124) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
125) Poor highlight after the game
126) extremely slow players
127) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easilyl
128) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfieldl
129) pinball like ball physics
130) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
131) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
132) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
133) banana like parabola for a shot
134) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
135) what kind of menu is that
136) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
137) team formation display, 8 players only?
138) slippery floor
139) poor research in every aspect of the game
140) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
141) Where is the instant replay recorder?
142) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
143) Poor highlight after the game
144) extremely slow players
145) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easilyl
146) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfieldl
147) pinball like ball physics
148) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
149) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
150) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
151) banana like parabola for a shot
152) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
153) what kind of menu is that
154) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
155) team formation display, 8 players only?
156) slippery floor
157) poor research in every aspect of the game
158) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
159) Where is the instant replay recorder?
160) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
161) Poor highlight after the game
162) extremely slow players
163) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easilyl
164) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfieldl
165) pinball like ball physics
166) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
167) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
168) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
169) banana like parabola for a shot
170) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
171) what kind of menu is that
172) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
173) team formation display, 8 players only?
174) slippery floor
175) poor research in every aspect of the game
176) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
177) Where is the instant replay recorder?
178) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
179) Poor highlight after the game
180) extremely slow players
181) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easilyl
182) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfieldl
183) pinball like ball physics
184) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
185) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
186) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
187) banana like parabola for a shot
188) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
189) what kind of menu is that
190) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
191) team formation display, 8 players only?
192) slippery floor
193) poor research in every aspect of the game
194) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
195) Where is the instant replay recorder?
196) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
197) Poor highlight after the game
198) extremely slow players
199) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easilyl
200) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfieldl
201) pinball like ball physics
202) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
203) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
204) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
205) banana like parabola for a shot
206) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
207) what kind of menu is that
208) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
209) team formation display, 8 players only?
210) slippery floor
211) poor research in every aspect of the game
212) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
213) Where is the instant replay recorder?
214) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
215) Poor highlight after the game
216) extremely slow players
217) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easilyl
218) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfieldl
219) pinball like ball physics
220) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
221) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
222) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
223) banana like parabola for a shot
224) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
225) what kind of menu is that
226) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
227) team formation display, 8 players only?
228) slippery floor
229) poor research in every aspect of the game
230) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
231) Where is the instant replay recorder?
232) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
233) Poor highlight after the game
234) extremely slow players
235) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easilyl
236) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfieldl
237) pinball like ball physics
238) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
239) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
240) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
241) banana like parabola for a shot
242) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
243) what kind of menu is that
244) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
245) team formation display, 8 players only?
246) slippery floor
247) poor research in every aspect of the game
248) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
249) Where is the instant replay recorder?
250) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
251) Poor highlight after the game
252) extremely slow players
253) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easilyl
254) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfieldl
255) pinball like ball physics
256) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
257) the closer the shot to the goal, the worse the aim and power whereas the further away from the goal, the more powerful the shot -> 40 yard goal
258) where the hell is the creation centre: for players, and customisable leagues?
259) banana like parabola for a shot
260) stupid free kick / corner system: cant even control your drop spot
261) what kind of menu is that
262) what kind of league table is that, has EA reverted to 40 column screen
263) team formation display, 8 players only?
264) slippery floor
265) poor research in every aspect of the game
266) I dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
267) Where is the instant replay recorder?
268) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
269) Poor highlight after the game
270) extremely slow players

the biggest bug about fifa2004 is definitly the CL and the other leagues thats realy frutrating when you play it if I play a soccer game I want that atleast the leagues are realistic,and thats not the case in fifa2004 but why can EA bring a patch out to fix it,I think its only the database you have to change a bit

Originally posted by MasterM
1) extremely slow players
2) sticky players with invisibly big size that balls got stuck and run round their bodies easilyl
3) super defenders who easily catches your ball and only know how to bunt the ball upfieldl
4) pinball like ball physics
5) everyone agrees: all goalkeepers are supermen, catch every balls
.................dont know which goon is responsible for the overall architecture of the game: but has EA done any alpha testing, not to even mention beta? This game wont go through the most basic test and even the most ardent EA supporters. Giving a patch 2 days after the game is released and still bugful? What are they doing
267) Where is the instant replay recorder?
268) The prestigious point systems doesnt work
269) Poor highlight after the game
270) extremely slow players


Holy f*cking ****, that is great. Your usually an a-hole, but I must say, very nice work.


I'll add this to my dissapointment list

http://www.gamestop.com/common/images/lbox/280862b.jpg


No really guys. This is a big waste of time. We've gone through this the last 5 years or more. There are thousends of dissapointments. What makes you think our complaints will make any difference this time round? Its a cycle, and I don't see it ending. You can either take FIFA for what it is, or play a different game.

These EA poeple are either incompetent or they just don't give a sh!t. I keep bringing this up, but another game has set a standard, and when FIFA has SO MANY BUGS and is still so far behind, well it has to be one of the above.

this forum has not the space to put all fifa bugs and disapointment things

maybe if we have enough replys we can send it to EA sports then maybe they will do something about it.
What do you guys think?

we have done that since 2000

Originally posted by latejam
maybe if we have enough replys we can send it to EA sports then maybe they will do something about it.
What do you guys think?


ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!: crazyboy:

OGM, sorry, but you must have been here for like two days.

Every year, thousands of suggestions, they make some changes, then f*ck up the rest of the game and leave about 100 bugs.

Its pointless, just like this thread.:nape:

we have to keep trying. and by the way i'm here for 2years now.;)

Give it a few more years, maybe you'll learn, or maybe not.:kader:

Hey you American afcorse you devend EA sports they are americans or canadians.
Well I tell you this you guys don't know **** about soccer.
You guys are the only ones in the world that plays in a boring competition like the MLS you even got no relegations or promotions.
Go see some basket,or football dude

and don't bother people that wanna doe something about those anoying money rip offs

Originally posted by latejam
Hey you American afcorse you devend EA sports they are americans or canadians.
Well I tell you this you guys don't know **** about soccer.
You guys are the only ones in the world that plays in a boring competition like the MLS you even got no relegations or promotions.
Go see some basket,or football dude

and don't bother people that wanna doe something about those anoying money rip offs

Um, are talking to me? Thanks for trying to insult my football knowledge, but I'm perfectly comfortable with myself. And actually, I don't really like american football and I don't watch basketball, but so what if I did anyway. And yes, the MLS sucks (compared to Europe and South America), thats why I don't watch that either. Also, please tell me whats so great about Belgian football.

And listen. Maybe you should study the English language some more and then go read my posts. Its clear you don't understand what I'm saying.

I wasn't defending EA. I think they are a bunch of morons. I think FIFA is sh!t. That clear enough for you? I was just trying to point out the fact that our comments WILL NOT HELP. EA sports does not care!!!! Its been like this for years.

And no sh!t, were the only ones who play in the MLS, its the top proffesional league in the states. You dumbf*ck.

And if you feel ripped off, your the idiot for buying the game, or not taking it back and demanding your money back. Did you play the demo, everyone could tell how awful that was.

When someone gets ripped off, it takes two parties. The decietful seller and the gullable buyer(thats you!).

Belgian soccer sucks????? well come and chat with me I will convince you its not.
And NOOOOO the demo doesnt say enough becose in the demo you do not play CL so yes I wass ripped off by EA sports

Another example of you not understaning English. I'm very impressed that you can probably communicate in more than one language. But if your going to come here and argue with poeple, at least make sure you understand what they are saying.

I don't think Belgian soccer sucks. READ and UNDERSTAND my posts man. Just saying you should'nt bash the MLS. I admit, Belgian football is at a higher level than the MLS, but not by alot, and that isn't saying much!

And like I said, its your fault for buying FIFA and returning it. And if you couldn't tell how horrible the game was gonna be from the demo, well that makes you pretty stupid too.;)

Last energy I'm going to waste on you.

:ewan:

man you are stupid how can I see in the demo that the CL was ****ed up??????

There were plenty of other things noticably wrong with the DEMO. Is all you care about is the CL? What about game play? You couldn't tell the gameplay was f*cked? CL is one of a thousand problems. Stop trying to pick apart every little thing I say. I wasn't even talking about CL?!?!? What the **** are you talking about. Go ahead, you are so stupid, you will probably by FIFA next year and then complain about how you got ripped off. If you don't want to get ripped off, STOP BUYING FIFA!!!!!!




:kader: :rolleyes: :kader: :rolleyes:

Why do I seem to always find the bottom of the sh!t pile?

:kader:

Originally posted by Solo Inter


Last energy I'm going to waste on you.

:ewan: [/B]


This time!:crazyboy:

lets talk about this on msn my msn is
standard1888@hotmail.com