It's next sunday the Lisbon derby. The eternal derby like is known in Portugal between the two most supported teams in the country. Sporting are in 2nd and Benfica in 3rd with less 1 point. I think the draw isn't good for any team because it will praticaly take the teams out of the league title race. The stadium is already sold out. 65000 in the stands.
Give your opinions, bets and news about the derby here.(H)

Sporting Clube de Portugal to win. :X :X :X

Originally posted by shokz
Sporting Clube de Portugal to win

i second that, because of C.Ronaldo and Hugo Viana :crazyboy: :D

seriously, sporting to win, they are second

if the teams continue to play as they have been played the last few weeks then benfica will win this one easily, but this game is always very unpredictable

my thoughts are the same as Parasol's, Sporting have been playing like absolute garbage lately and their coach has proven the fact that he's an idiot and knows nothing about football...Benfica on the other hand has been playing well in the last few games and is growing in confidence, we have key players returning from injury, and others like Sokota are starting to find the net on a regular basis. These games are almost always crazy though, so who knows what will happen...hopefully we see a lot of goals like past Benfica-Sporting derbys.

I think Benfica will win.
2-0

Last 10 years: games in the old Da Luz
93/94: 2-1 (Yuran, Isaias) (Figo)
94/95: 1-2 (Dimas) (Balakov, Iordanov)
95/96: 0-0
96/97: 1-0 (João Pinto)
97/98: 0-0
98/99: 3-3 (Kandaurov,Poborsky,Nuno Gomes)(Iordanov 2 Rui Jorge)
99/00: 0-0
00/01: 3-0 (Van Hoojdonk, João Tomás 2)
01/02: 2-2 (Simão, Zahovic) (Jardel 2)
02/03: 1-2*(Sokota) (João Pinto, Quaresma)

*At Estádio Nacional

2-3 to Sporting I predict.

or a 0-0 :$

2-1 Benfica
Sokota and Simao
Liedson

i predict a clear 3-0 win for us :mrpimp:

is Niculae gonna play for Sporting??

He's fit for the first time in years :funny: but I doubt he'll play since he's coming back from a long time injury

Sporting Clube de Portugal to win, i hope. But, as everyone knows, these games are very unpredictable. I say one goal for Sporting and none for Benfica. :)

Benfica 1-0

simao;)

I predict 3-0. sokota 2 goals and other from simão. :D

Originally posted by Punkt
It's next sunday the Lisbon derby. The eternal derby like is known in Portugal between the two most supported teams in the country.(H)

Porto is already the 2nd portuguese team in supporters i think (in titles too) and for me and most of the portuguese football fans Benfica-Sporting is no longer the best derby of our country, we all know that the true portuguese derby is FC Porto-Benfica or Benfica-FC Porto. ;) :hump: Talking of this game i think it will be very even, hope the result is a draw so we can get more advantage. :p

Originally posted by [dfm]
Porto is already the 2nd portuguese team in supporters i think (in titles too) and for me and most of the portuguese football fans Benfica-Sporting is no longer the best derby of our country, we all know that the true portuguese derby is FC Porto-Benfica or Benfica-FC Porto. ;) :hump: Talking of this game i think it will be very even, hope the result is a draw so we can get more advantage. :p

I think Sporting is still the 2nd most followed but whatever... and Benfica-Porto i agree is the most important match of the country but isn't a derby. It's a classic. Derby is Porto-Boavista, Benfica-Sporting or Benfica-Belenenses.:)

Benfica-Porto ou Porto-Benfica is the most important game in Portugal? :o What are you saying? No way of comparising the traditions and the huge of a game like Sporting-Benfica. It's the oldest rivalry in Portugal and it's the game that has more passions.

And no way Porto is the second club in Portugal with more fans. We know that when Sporting wins one championship and Porto wins one too. How many people celebrates in the street? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by scprulez
Benfica-Porto ou Porto-Benfica is the most important game in Portugal? :o What are you saying? No way of comparising the traditions and the huge of a game like Sporting-Benfica. It's the oldest rivalry in Portugal and it's the game that has more passions.

And no way Porto is the second club in Portugal with more fans. We know that when Sporting wins one championship and Porto wins one too. How many people celebrates in the street? :rolleyes:

I'm the one that tells u, in which country do u live? :rolleyes: If Porto isn't the second club in supporters i think we are very even with Sporting, no way Sporting is by far the 2nd team in supporters and even Benfica is not that big as some people says... BTW if u really live in Portugal i think u saw the celebrations that happened when Porto won UEFA Cup last season, and don't tell me that all the portugueses were celebrating... :p

Well, this is a more RESPECTFUL derby, I think when these two teams play there's more passion involved rather than ugly football(IE: what we have seen in the most recent years of the Benfica-Porto saga). Plus with just 1 point between the teams we know both will give it the best they have. Unfortunately, I still think our attacking pace needs work and that we need someone who can play on the left(Clayton isn't exactly a great player...).

So in terms of team-strength we go into this game at a handicap, but if Santos somehow manages to pull some good tactic out of his ass we could take this game, and we also have the comfort that Luisao is apparently not being withdrawn from Brazil, which makes it near certain that somehow at some point or another Argel will play!:D

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
I think when these two teams play there's more passion involved rather than ugly football(IE: what we have seen in the most recent years of the Benfica-Porto saga).

What i meant is that, Porto vs. Benfica is the most important game in Portugal cause it's more passion and excitement involved(they're the 2 biggest teams in Portugal in trophies and there's a big rivalry), Benfica-Sporting was a great game when the 2 teams were the best in Portugal, nowadays is totaly diferent so we can't compare the intensity caused by a Porto-Benfica and a Benfica-Sporting, i say this from what i see everytime this kind of games occurs.

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
we also have the comfort that Luisao is apparently not being withdrawn from Brazil, which makes it near certain that somehow at some point or another Argel will play!:D

Luisão will not play with Brazil U23 team because Benfica didn't release him. Like Milan made with Kaká and Sevilla with Baptista. The pre-olympic tournament isn't a FIFA official so the clubs could not release his players. Benfica was negociating with CBF Luisão's presence just for the derby but the injuries of Argel and Cristiano made Luisão indispensable.

Originally posted by [dfm]
What i meant is that, Porto vs. Benfica is the most important game in Portugal cause it's more passion and excitement involved(they're the 2 biggest teams in Portugal in trophies and there's a big rivalry), Benfica-Sporting was a great game when the 2 teams were the best in Portugal, nowadays is totaly diferent so we can't compare the intensity caused by a Porto-Benfica and a Benfica-Sporting, i say this from what i see everytime this kind of games occurs.
LOL!

There's no excitement in Porto-Benfica games the match stops every 2 minutes over some stupid goofy foul. It's the sloppiest game of football you can go see on planet earth. It's compareable to American football with the amount of bore it's able to cause. It's an important game, yes, but boring none the less.

Originally posted by Punkt
Luisão will not play with Brazil U23 team because Benfica didn't release him. Like Milan made with Kaká and Sevilla with Baptista. The pre-olympic tournament isn't a FIFA official so the clubs could not release his players. Benfica was negociating with CBF Luisão's presence just for the derby but the injuries of Argel and Cristiano made Luisão indispensable.
Argel got injured? News to me... but you can bet Santos is going to tell the forwards to foul hard on your defence if this is the case.

Mantorras was in 100% in this morning training session. he will not play in the derby but can start fighting for a position in the lineup to Leiria-Benfica game.

HE'S BACK!! :clapwap: :clapwap: :clapwap:

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
Argel got injured? News to me... but you can bet Santos is going to tell the forwards to foul hard on your defence if this is the case.

Argel was injured but recovered in time for the derby. he was already fit in today's training session.:|

Can't see Sporting winning this one as they're playing at the moment but upsets can happen. Maybe a tie if Benfica doesn't play at it's best.

I think we will play with this 11:

Moreira
Miguel-Luisão-Hélder-Rocha
Pereira-Petit-Tiago-Simão
Sokota-Nuno Gomes

my main doubt is in the midfield. Zahovic or two strikers? i prefer Tomo and Nuno playing...

I thought Ricardo Rocha was injured.

Originally posted by Virgo
I thought Ricardo Rocha was injured.

He's recovered.

Ricardo Rocha, Argel, Armando, Petit demonstraram hoje no treino que estão aptos e podem assim ajudar o Benfica na próxima partida da Superliga frente ao Sporting.

A Bola

the players that Camacho could not count are Cristiano and Carlitos (injured), Mantorras and Geovanni (aren't at 100%) and Fyssas (league registration issues)

Geovanni could play but i don't believe because he went to Brazil because his mother died.:(

Benfica Lisbon, 2 - Sporting lisbon, 4

Goals :

Simao, Nuno Gomez, Jardel (3), Beto

That's my bet!!
:)

...

The above post is all the proof I need in order to say it's 5 Violinos...:crazyboy:

Originally posted by LYON HEART
Benfica Lisbon, 2 - Sporting lisbon, 4

Goals :

Simao, Nuno Gomez, Jardel (3), Beto

That's my bet!!
:)

:|

Originally posted by ::shinji::
my thoughts are the same as Parasol's, Sporting have been playing like absolute garbage lately
Granted UEFA and Taca wise we have played like garbage but in the league we've maintained fairly consistent, and we haven't had any major bad results.

Originally posted by LYON HEART
Benfica Lisbon, 2 - Sporting lisbon, 4

Goals :

Simao, Nuno Gomez, Jardel (3), Beto

That's my bet!!
:)


yay! i'm glad jardel is back in sporting. :crazyboy: :confused: this is new to me

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
Granted UEFA and Taca wise we have played like garbage but in the league we've maintained fairly consistent, and we haven't had any major bad results.

no major bad results but below the average team exibitions..

The 01/02 Sporting win was the biggest scandel ever, and were carried to the title. Come on Jardel dives with knowone 5 yards around him and the ref calls a pk:f***:

i dunno if you guys know this but jardel isn't at sporting anymore so there isn't a point in arguing with jardel :crazyboy: . he's with bolton (reserves) on EPL.

:hump:

Originally posted by LYON HEART
Benfica Lisbon, 2 - Sporting lisbon, 4

Goals :

Simao, Nuno Gomez, Jardel (3), Beto

That's my bet!!
:)

:gavin: So your back after all... :nape:

My bet is 2 - 0 for Benfica of course :p
Goals : Simão and Nuno Gomes

And i agree with what some of you said above, if we play like we've been playing in recent matches and sporting play like they've been playing than we'll surelly win this one. In the other hand, it's a derby and all can happen and in Benfica - Sporting or Sporting - Benfica in the last years, if you notice, the team which is playing not so well compared to the other won most of the times :confused: hope that doesnt happen next sunday :)

Originally posted by Parasol
i dunno if you guys know this but jardel isn't at sporting anymore so there isn't a point in arguing with jardel :crazyboy: . he's with bolton (reserves) on EPL.

:hump:
Yeah, and he got replaced as a sub in the first-team by Vaz Te.:hump:

I think at the end Benfica will win but it's a very unpredictable match.

My prediction: 3-1 for Benfica

On the above arguments about which game is the biggest in Portugal, I'd have to say it's SLB x FCP simply because we hate eachother so ******* much. Porto and a majority of their fans show absolute no respect to Benfica and the games are insane. However I think SLB x SCP is the most passionate game and SCP is more civilized towards us, and we are ancestrol (sp?) rivals.

Anyways on the game, I think Benfica runs out with an easy win. We clearly have the better team (goalkeeper, defence, midfield, strikers) and our manager is 100x better than Santos.

Prediction:

SL Benfica 2-0 Sporting CP
Nuno Gomes x2

Originally posted by calve11
Porto and a majority of their fans show absolute no respect to Benfica and the games are insane.

OH how sweet. How about showing us some respect first instead of creating these outlandish referee scandals to justify your shortcomings and our successes. :)

Originally posted by MarcoCanada
OH how sweet. How about showing us some respect first instead of creating these outlandish referee scandals to justify your shortcomings and our successes. :) Not my fault you guys have games like vs us (Benfica), vs Guimaraes, vs Alverca, vs. Maritimo. :X

Anyways Benfica are a class club, we never release statements complaining about referees. With all honesty, it's Pinto daCosta and Sporting that do that. ;)

Originally posted by calve11
Not my fault you guys have games like vs us (Benfica), vs Guimaraes, vs Alverca, vs. Maritimo. :X

Anyways Benfica are a class club, we never release statements complaining about referees. With all honesty, it's Pinto daCosta and Sporting that do that. ;)

You nevr do that??? You never do that? Son, do you understand Portguese? Whats with the holier than thou attitude here? ALL THREE CLUBS RELEASE STATEMENTS TO THE PRESS REGARDING REFEREES!!! ALL THREE!

well I think no one match is more important because they're totally different :confused:

Sporting-Benfica (and Benfica-Sporting), it's a more traditional derby. Inside rivality of Lisbon.

Fcp - Benfica (and Benfica-Fcp) it's not only a football match. It's north ppl against south ppl, and wrong or right that it is. The match it's viewed by both teams fans that way. So it's less football and more what's around it.

And believe me every teams has the ppl that first think to hate the other rival team and only indirectly they support their team. There are for Porto, Benfica, Sporting........no team has less or more. There's no more love for the shirt and colours.

Anyway, without further comments. hope it will be a good match.

Originally posted by MarcoCanada
You nevr do that??? You never do that? Son, do you understand Portguese? Whats with the holier than thou attitude here? ALL THREE CLUBS RELEASE STATEMENTS TO THE PRESS REGARDING REFEREES!!! ALL THREE!

I believe that is forgot João malheiro and he's famous and hilarious statement : "Deixem jogar Mantorras"

Originally posted by Velvet
well I think no one match is more important because they're totally different :confused:

Sporting-Benfica (and Benfica-Sporting), it's a more traditional derby. Inside rivality of Lisbon.

Fcp - Benfica (and Benfica-Fcp) it's not only a football match. It's north ppl against south ppl, and wrong or right that it is. The match it's viewed by both teams fans that way. So it's less football and more what's around it.


100% agree. great analysis. :)

please guys don't ruin the thread. it's to talk about the derby. about referees we are all tired to ear everydays in the press.:rolleyes: Talk only about football and the derby. :p

Originally posted by MarcoCanada
You nevr do that??? You never do that? Son, do you understand Portguese? Whats with the holier than thou attitude here? ALL THREE CLUBS RELEASE STATEMENTS TO THE PRESS REGARDING REFEREES!!! ALL THREE! Buddy look at us now. Camacho nor our board complains. And when we do we talk about OUR MATTERS, not your little clubs...you guys always complain about Benfica... just shows the "grandeza" of SLB. Pdc and SCP complain the most, especially SCP who came out with a hysterical report on their website.

Every mistake that is made in a Benfica game is made a big deal, by FCP or SCP. After the game vs. Rio Ave Pdc snapped, bla bla bla penalty, then the nest game against Maritimo a phantom penalty was called in favour of Porto, how did Benfica respond? .. that's right! Hell if say Deco was sent off the way Simão was against Academica Pinto daCosta would have gotten the ******* ref asassinated.

Originally posted by LYON HEART
I believe that is forgot João malheiro and he's famous and hilarious statement : "Deixem jogar Mantorras" Hows it going Alvalade? Just wondering why your trying to cover your ass making ridiculous posts. You remember quotes from Malheiro, yet you don't know that Jardel doesn't play on Sporting? Stop being stupid and get the **** outta here. I hope SG ends up sueing you.

Originally posted by LYON HEART
I believe that is forgot João malheiro and he's famous and hilarious statement : "Deixem jogar Mantorras"

HA HA HA

Remember the one where he asked all the fans to show up at the stadium to observe the ref???

Calve son. Get with the program. Every team and their mother complains about refs. In fact, none of the big 3 should complain about refs because at the end of the season its the small teams that should be doing the complaining cause they are the ones being raped.

I love it Calve. Everyone's sh*t stinks but mine. HA HA HA.

That's when we finished 4th. Look now, do we complain nearly as much as Porto or Sporting... we barely complain now unless it's complete robbery (like when we played Vitoria las season!)! You know FCP and the people there are arrogant ****s that complain about everything.

Originally posted by LYON HEART
I believe that is forgot João malheiro and he's famous and hilarious statement : "Deixem jogar Mantorras"

What was really funny was when Dias da Cunha said after the Sporting - Leiria match : ( which the linner incredibly saw an impossivel offside - Maciel was beyond the penultimate sporting's defender - and invalidated his goal that would put them winning :kader: )

- " O Sporting deu um banho de bola "

also when sporting was eliminated of UEFA Cup by that greek team ( sorry i cant spell the name :evil: ) after an humiliating deafeat at home and some ( many ) sporting supporters were all beckonning ( sp? ) so that their were saying :ewan: to the coach your president said the supporters were just saying good bye to the competition - that was just ridiculous :nape:

So as you can see you dont really have much to talk about...

Aguiar could play in the starting lineup according to today's press.

Originally posted by calve11
Buddy look at us now. Camacho nor our board complains. And when we do we talk about OUR MATTERS, not your little clubs...you guys always complain about Benfica... just shows the "grandeza" of SLB. Pdc and SCP complain the most, especially SCP who came out with a hysterical report on their website.

Every mistake that is made in a Benfica game is made a big deal, by FCP or SCP. After the game vs. Rio Ave Pdc snapped, bla bla bla penalty, then the nest game against Maritimo a phantom penalty was called in favour of Porto, how did Benfica respond? .. that's right! Hell if say Deco was sent off the way Simão was against Academica Pinto daCosta would have gotten the ******* ref asassinated.
(Notices the little clubs comment and starts to fondle-self)

If FCP is a small club, than you guys got your asses handed to you by a non-existant club.

1-2...:rockman: :hump:

After 1 month away from the internet thanks to my fantastic ISP, NETRABO :f***: , I'm back. And in time to predict the result for the Lampiões - Lagartixas match. (H)

So here it goes:

Neninhos - 2 Tixas - 1

Goals by:
- João Pinto (Own Goal)
- Pedro Barbosa (OG)
- Simão (OG)
:evil:

YOU MISSED IT! WE GOT 5 VIOLINOS BANNED! JOIN THE PARTY!:hump: ;)

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
(Notices the little clubs comment and starts to fondle-self)

If FCP is a small club, than you guys got your asses handed to you by a non-existant club.

1-2...:rockman: :hump:

Shaggy :ewan:

get a new ISP. :p

Pedro Proença of Lisbon will be the referee of the derby.

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
(Notices the little clubs comment and starts to fondle-self)

If FCP is a small club, than you guys got your asses handed to you by a non-existant club.

1-2...:rockman: :hump: Realistically, you guys were very lucky to get a point let alone a win. We outplayed you, and you scored an offside goal. :ewan:

this will be a tight match sporting and benfica are in full potential so it really depends on the individuals that are inspired, if simão and nuno gomes are on fire it will be very dificult to win if JVP and barbosa are inspired maybe we can win, i don´t give results i just hope sporting wins.

Originally posted by calve11
Realistically, you guys were very lucky to get a point let alone a win. We outplayed you, and you scored an offside goal. :ewan:
Ouyplaying one half and outplaying a game are two different things are they not? And that offside goal was the magico of your defence. Benfica underestimated us and they paid for it. It's all about mind-games there's a reason Benfica didn't score during the odd 45 minutes they were able to control the game. But after the first goal you did see the flow of the team and how it played better, you see Benfica are money-driven players the way the lower teams look at it. ****, look at the money you give Zahovic to go out in a match and suck balls. And the fact that another team wasn't paying Argel's wages is simply astonishing to me to this day.

According to "A Bola" and "Record" Fernando Aguiar " Robocop", and Sokota will start in Benfica's eleven in spite of Petit and João Pereira. Also the same newspapers say that Hélder will play next to Luisão in the defence, and so hopefully Argel will remain in the bench :p

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
YOU MISSED IT! WE GOT 5 VIOLINOS BANNED! JOIN THE PARTY!:hump: ;)

For real? :D What did he do?

Well after some of the comments he made, conspiracy theories, insulting other members, I decided to take it upon myself to call upon the Polish Gangsta.;)

The good news for Sporting is that benfica will sart with Fernando "Robocop" Aguiar and Ricardo Rocha at the left sid of the defense...so i predict Benfica, 1 Sporting, 3...goals by Luisão (OG), Liedson, Rochemback and Tiago:D :rockman: :mrpimp: (H)

HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!!!

2 words for ya: no way :mrpimp:

well my team in portagal Sporting Lisbon will win it 3-2


good luck to both of the teams



:D

Originally posted by JC_Roquette
The good news for Sporting is that benfica will sart with Fernando "Robocop" Aguiar and Ricardo Rocha at the left sid of the defense


:crazyboy: if you consider that good news... :p Fernando Aguiar is having a wonderful season making some great games lately, will be on rochemback's arse all the time till he gets the first yellow card and is subbed by petit :mrpimp:

and for our defense, really growing in confidence now, with miguel, helder, luisao and ricardo rocha i don't think it will be an easy job for sporting to break in. and in the attack we have nuno gomes back to torment polga and ricardo :p

Are you saying Gomes is gonna have an easy day by Polga? LOL!!!!!!

Damn Benfiquistas ARE thick!:crazyboy:

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
Are you saying Gomes is gonna have an easy day by Polga? LOL!!!!!!

Damn Benfiquistas ARE thick!:crazyboy:


i said it will be difficult for the sporting defense to contain such a tremendous attacking line, full of confidence. Simão, Sokota, Nuno Gomes, João Pereira :crazyboy:

3 days till the kick off :crazyboy:

The new training kits are awesome. (H)

I believe Sporting is going to show a diferent type of footbaal...Sporting will play in counter-attack and give Benfica the control of the midefield. The objective is simple : provide Sporting fastest forwards ( Liedson and Silva-or Lourenço) the possibility to have much more space to penetrate the backwards of benfica's defense, who's players, except for miguel, are very slow and with huge problems on getting back to their own area.

Benfica must be aware about this tactic, and the two central midefielders must be in constant alert to Barbosa and rochemback moves so they can't do what they are good at : passing thru behind Benfica's side backs.

The point of success/failure is gonna be the winger's players : Benfica have Simão and Geovani that have to face more defensive side backs ( Miguel Garcia and Rui Jorge), while Benfica have Liedson ( that is best playing from the wings to the center).

My guess is that camacho is risking too much by putting in the start eleven two Cf as Nuno Gomes and Sökota and no having a good number "10" in their backs (Tiago is going to be that player ???), who's gonna make an eventual counterbalance in their midefield, taking too much time between the defensive midefield and the attack. That's a challenge with too many risks to Benfica and Fernando Aguiar must be at he's best to keep he's area very watched by the presence of Pedro Barbosa and Fábio Rochemback, while Tiago have an "herculian" task, by trying to be a mulet to Fernando aguiar, a "connection" man between the defensive and the attacking zone and the man who will support the wingers and the Strickers (as a virtual playmaker).


Fernando Santos has a dilema knowing the rival "11", what he's gonna do ??? Put a third man in the Center of Defence (Quiroga) helping in marking issue or ordering Custódio to get back to the Center of defense when Benfica have the ball, or, at last, asking Miguel Garcia ( with an huge experience in playing as CB) to fullfill the marking, and let he's side of the field alone to the progression of Simão ???? I believe the 2nd possibility is more true, since Rochemback is a player that can help a lot in deffensive matters.

I think that the tactics is going to be the most important issue in the result, and the players that better do what they are intend to do, should win...despite all this, those type of games have a singularity that is very IMPORTANT : the mentallity and the LUCK.


I hope we could see a fantastic game that those two teams are capable to do, with fair-play, a good referee perfomance and giving an exemplar demonstration of what a DERBY should be : dignity, loyalty, rivalrcy and emotions in tons !!! :D (H)

i really don't want to predict this one, for one side Benfica are improving every weekend, on the other Sporting isn't in the best form at the moment, but in a game like this everything can happen. i hope for a draw because that would serve best Porto's interests :p

Originally posted by bmpv666
... i hope for a draw because that would serve best Porto's interests :p


I bet you do:) ;)

Originally posted by Parasol
i said it will be difficult for the sporting defense to contain such a tremendous attacking line, full of confidence. Simão, Sokota, Nuno Gomes, João Pereira :crazyboy:

3 days till the kick off :crazyboy:
You don't know what Joao Pereira's true position is do you?:kader: :rolleyes:

You guys tell me how Tiago played in this game okay? I can't see the damn game here.:f***:
I gotta know how our future Paulo Sousa played. hehe;)

Paulo Sousa...

He might just be one of the stars of Portuguese football that people sometimes forget...

Figo-Eusebio-Him

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
Paulo Sousa...

He might just be one of the stars of Portuguese football that people sometimes forget...

Figo-Eusebio-Him

Absolutely true. Sousa gave a lot to Juve. Too bad for the injuries. The guys won 2 CL. He should be remembered as one of the best Portuguese players of all time,

He was a great CM, great pass and vision, but I would never rate him at the level of Eusebio or Figo, not even Rui Costa and so many other great portuguese footballers... he always had bad luck with injuries though.

Originally posted by mark77
You guys tell me how Tiago played in this game okay? I can't see the damn game here.:f***:
I gotta know how our future Paulo Sousa played. hehe;)

You'll not miss a great thing... Tiago is a good player but nothing special compared to Deco and Maniche... about the game i think it will be a good battle for the 2nd place cause the 1rst one is unreachable for both teams. :)

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
You'll not miss a great thing... Tiago is a good player but nothing special compared to Deco and Maniche

shut the f*ck up already... everyone already knows you're as biased as they come.

Originally posted by Virgo
shut the f*ck up already... everyone already knows you're as biased as they come.

I'm just telling the truth... if you can't stand it it's your problem, in fact every foreign people knows Deco and Maniche from the Champion's League, ask them...

I read this morning that the referee of the game, Pedro Proença, is an active member and filiate of Benfica !!!:o :o

How can this be possible ? Why the LIGA doesn't put a referee that doesn't have anything about the teams ?

I think that this fact will make any of he's decisions look suspicious. I think a matter like that isn't possible in other major leagues like Spain, England, France, Italy, Germany or even in Greece. It's a shame that what could be a wonderful game could be connected to such suspiciious issue.

http://www.record.pt/noticia.asp?id=382757&idCanal=11

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
I'm just telling the truth...

you are telling YOUR truth... Comparing Tiago to Maniche. OMG!! :|

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
You'll not miss a great thing... Tiago is a good player but nothing special compared to Deco and Maniche... about the game i think it will be a good battle for the 2nd place cause the 1rst one is unreachable for both teams. :)

:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: you're posts are all the same, every single one! You're by far the worst Portuguese poster on these forums, even 5 Violinos (Lyon Heart) makes more valid posts than you...he's a lunatic obsessed with referees, but at least he makes a decent point once in a while, you're always saying the same thing over and over, and you're supposed to be the genius of Chaves! :rolleyes:

...and don't give me the same "you can't stand the truth" reply. I'm as realistic and critical of my club as anyone, so that sh!t doesn't fly with me.

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
I'm just telling the truth... if you can't stand it it's your problem, in fact every foreign people knows Deco and Maniche from the Champion's League, ask them...
I'll give you Deco but Maniche? Doubt it. They might know Baia... though for other reasons...

But then that's like saying oh everybody knows Nuno Gomes and Polga, and JVP, and Simao, that's just assumption.

Jesus Christ is back on Earth!!!!!!! He's the owner of the truth!! a genious!

pathetic guy :nape:

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
I'm just telling the truth... if you can't stand it it's your problem, in fact every foreign people knows Deco and Maniche from the Champion's League, ask them...

whatever :rolleyes: ...and speaking of "foreign" people, I'll give you some real truths, I live in Canada and spend a lot of time in the U.S.A. and I can sincerely tell you that even people who don't follow football or even like it are familiar with Benfica & Sporting and players like Joao Pinto, Nuno Gomes, and Zahovic. When it comes to Porto their response is more like "oh that's the team that cheated a lot in the cup final last year, isn't it?" & "don't they have a good player called Deco or something?"

Don't get me wrong, I still think FC Porto is the best team in Portugal and one of the best in Europe, and Benfica & Sporting will have to work very hard to catch up to them in the league...but some people like you need to come back to earth, Porto aren't gods who rule the universe.

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
You don't know what Joao Pereira's true position is do you?:kader: :rolleyes:

right back, so what? now he's playing great as right winger in geovanni's place :crazyboy:

Originally posted by Parasol
right back, so what? now he's playing great as right winger in geovanni's place :crazyboy:
Yeah I bet Benfica feel smart for buying Geovanni now...:crazyboy:

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
Yeah I bet Benfica feel smart for buying Geovanni now...:crazyboy:

buying? Geovanni was a free transfer. Barcelona released him...

24 hours to kick-off
i think the line ups will be:

BENFICA:
Moreira
Miguel
Luisão
Hélder
Ricardo Rocha
Petit
Tiago
Zahovic
Simão
Nuno Gomes
Sokota

SPORTING:
Ricardo
Miguel Garcia
Polga
Beto
Rui Jorge
Rochemback
Custódio
Pedro Barbosa
João Pinto
Lourenço
Liedson

Let's talk about tomorrow derby...i think it will bw a great game, with the 2 best seconds teams of the league, since Porto is considered, by large majority as the best. But Sporting and Benfica have great players and much people talk about the best player in Portugal this season.

IMHO Deco, Tiago, Maniche, Rochemback and Pedro Barbosa and Simãov are at the same level, despite thaeir are some much diferent players. But who dares to say "X" player is the best?? they all have extreme influence in their teams and their teams depends a lot of what those players do. But as Sinji said, FC Porto is not thye god that rulez the universe, and it's not unbeatable. I believe that each team have teir weak points and their stronger points. The point is how to make strong points even more stronger and how do hide the weak points, and in that matter, we must agree that FC Porto have done a hell of a job, and Sporting and Benfica keep shooting their selfs everytime a bad bad occur. But tomorrow, probably the winner team will make FC Porto a litle bit more hard task to win the championship, while the loosers will, definitly, say goodby to the title.

Originally posted by ::shinji::
When it comes to Porto their response is more like "oh that's the team that cheated a lot in the cup final last year, isn't it?"

Luís, just tell them: no, it's the team that won fair and square but the losers thought they'd blame the supposed 'cheating' as the reason for their loss, thus ignoring, on purpose, the fact that they were clearly inferior in every aspect of the game. Thaaaank youu. (H)

Yeah, Celtic might not have TRIED to cheat, but they couldn't challange the BALL for sh*t.:crazyboy:

i wish a great game tomorrow, and now i'm going off and tomorrow i won't be here since i'll go to the stadium :rockman: :crazyboy:

Originally posted by Parasol
i wish a great game tomorrow, and now i'm going off and tomorrow i won't be here since i'll go to the stadium :rockman: :crazyboy:

Lucky you. I didn't get a ticket on time. :(

SportTV will rock tomorrow.:crazyboy:

1-0 Benfica
Tiago from a long range shot lol

Argel wasn't called to the derby and must leave the club this month. The press tell about the interest of Internacional de Porto Alegre in the brazilian centre-back.


It's today!!!

the press is excited too:

A Bola

Record

O Jogo

I'm starting to get pre-game nervousness! :funny:

(José Manuel Ribeiro from OJogo)




Dérbi

A propósito da súbita preocupação para com a irrelevância do Benfica-Sporting e, mais do que isso, com o desinteresse que o FC Porto tem manifestado nesse jogo de especial importância para os desígnios da nação lisboeta - porventura, até do mundo lisboeta ou, quiçá, do próprio universo lisboeta -, lavro aqui o meu protesto de cidadão estrangeiro contra as ignomínias constantes do ranking'2003 de audiências televisivas, ontem dado a conhecer na sua forma definitiva pelo "Público". Onde estão os dérbis lisboetas do ano passado? Que lhes fez esse jornal antipatriota, infiltrado no território por Belmiro de Azevedo, como se sabe ele próprio um cidadão estrangeiro? É que não há sinais de dérbi nos dez programas mais vistos de 2003. Pelo contrário, os portugueses borrifaram-se para os interesses nacionais. Fora a inauguração do novo Estádio da Luz (quarta do ranking), os clubes do país só conseguiram intrometer-se nas audiências quando defrontaram grandes equipas estrangeiras com algum prestígio, como o FC Porto ou a Lázio, e ainda assim atrás de outros confrontos internacionais, o Celtic-FC Porto (recordista em 2003), o Portugal-Brasil e o FC Porto-Real Madrid. Nestas condições, temo pelo êxito mediático do nosso dérbi (posso chamar-lhe nosso? Posso? Posso?). Falta-lhe qualquer coisa para sobreviver. Um estímulo. O segundo lugar na SuperLiga, ou seja, o facto de não valer pevas, parece-me pouco para a importância do melhor jogo do ano, seguido do Norte ao Sul do país, embora só por gente que veja mesmo muito bem. Daqui do Porto, por exemplo, a trezentos quilómetros de distância - e nós sabemos pelo nosso seleccionador lisboeta como isso é longe "prà caramba" -, o dérbi parece pequeno, pequenininho.

It's obvious that the derbies Benfica-Sporting aren't in the 10 more watched programs... the majority of them were broadcasted in SportTV, a cable payTV channel. I think it's very clear...

Some of these Portistas can talk all the sh!t they want, but they're not going to ruin the occasion. This is a great derby and a very important game in terms of the championship race, and they know it too...

only a few hours till' kick-off! :clapwap:

good luck for both teams! :p

Well if Beira-Mar win their game then I hope Sporting win as it'll tie us with Benfica in the league. If not then I want Benfica to win to give Santos a dose of reality

Originally posted by MarcoCanada
(José Manuel Ribeiro from OJogo)




Dérbi

A propósito da súbita preocupação para com a irrelevância do Benfica-Sporting e, mais do que isso, com o desinteresse que o FC Porto tem manifestado nesse jogo de especial importância para os desígnios da nação lisboeta - porventura, até do mundo lisboeta ou, quiçá, do próprio universo lisboeta -, lavro aqui o meu protesto de cidadão estrangeiro contra as ignomínias constantes do ranking'2003 de audiências televisivas, ontem dado a conhecer na sua forma definitiva pelo "Público". Onde estão os dérbis lisboetas do ano passado? Que lhes fez esse jornal antipatriota, infiltrado no território por Belmiro de Azevedo, como se sabe ele próprio um cidadão estrangeiro? É que não há sinais de dérbi nos dez programas mais vistos de 2003. Pelo contrário, os portugueses borrifaram-se para os interesses nacionais. Fora a inauguração do novo Estádio da Luz (quarta do ranking), os clubes do país só conseguiram intrometer-se nas audiências quando defrontaram grandes equipas estrangeiras com algum prestígio, como o FC Porto ou a Lázio, e ainda assim atrás de outros confrontos internacionais, o Celtic-FC Porto (recordista em 2003), o Portugal-Brasil e o FC Porto-Real Madrid. Nestas condições, temo pelo êxito mediático do nosso dérbi (posso chamar-lhe nosso? Posso? Posso?). Falta-lhe qualquer coisa para sobreviver. Um estímulo. O segundo lugar na SuperLiga, ou seja, o facto de não valer pevas, parece-me pouco para a importância do melhor jogo do ano, seguido do Norte ao Sul do país, embora só por gente que veja mesmo muito bem. Daqui do Porto, por exemplo, a trezentos quilómetros de distância - e nós sabemos pelo nosso seleccionador lisboeta como isso é longe "prà caramba" -, o dérbi parece pequeno, pequenininho.

isto é a prova "provada" que este pseudo-kornalista nem sabe daquilo que fala...então os Derbys Lisboetas têm pouca audiência ???? Pudera, se foram transmitidos em Canal codificado (SportTV), não poderia figurar nos 10 mais vistos. Ou será que este senhor pensa que todos os Portugueses têm capacidade financeira para aderirem em massa à instalação deste Canal Codificado ????? Isto ´so vem provar uma das seguintes três coisas :

1º - ou o senhor jornalista é mesmo incompetente e não tem qualquer capacidade analítica;
2º - ou o senhor jornalista tem uma enorme "dôr-de-cotovelo" pelo facto do Derby Lisboeta ser apenas e só o JOGO;
3ª - ou é mais um com enormes complexos de inferioridade relativamente a Lisboa, aos Lisboetas e às suas instituições


...ou se calhar é tudo aquilo quen enumerei.:kader: :rolleyes:

60 minutes left

OFFICIAL LINEUPS:

BENFICA:
01 Moreira
23 Miguel
32 Hélder
04 Luisão
33 Ricardo Rocha
16 Fernando Aguiar
30 Tiago
10 Zahovic
20 Simão
21 Nuno Gomes
25 Sokota

Subs:
24-Bossio
02-Armando
06-Petit
07-Andersson
08-Roger
47-João Pereira
29-Fehér

Coach:José António Camacho

SPORTING:
76-Ricardo
15-Miguel Garcia
04-Anderson Polga
22-Beto
23-Rui Jorge
26-Rochemback
27-Custódio
08-Pedro Barbosa
25-João Pinto
19-Silva
31-Liedson

Subs:
01-Nelson
02-Quiroga
21-Paito
17-Paulo Bento
29-Clayton
10-Sá Pinto
16-Lourenço

Coach: Fernando Santos

GO BENFICA!!! :rockman:

5 defenders for Benfica?

Silva isn't THAT good to be covered lol.:crazyboy:

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
5 defenders for Benfica?

Silva isn't THAT good to be covered lol.:crazyboy:

Where have u seen 5 defenders for Benfica ? :confused:

I only see 4

5 defenders?? it's 4... Miguel, Luisão, Helder and Rocha...

10 minutes left.

Aguiar is not a defender now?:rolleyes:

PENALTY MOREIRA!! AHAHAHAHA!!!!!:crazyboy: :rockman:

GOLO DE ROCHEMBACK BIATCH!!!:hump:

Man. U. 0-1 Sporting CP :D

It's funny how the SLB supporters went from "SLB!" to "SOB!":crazyboy:

ManU 0-2 Sporting

Silva scored.

Man, I was so wrong: that Luisão is really a great defender afterall... Or not.

2-0 SILVA!
So much for Benfica whooping Sporting...

Rochemback sent off. Don't think he deserved a second yellow card, but whatever. Sporting's first goal came from a non-existant penalty anyway, so...

"Alguns distúrbios na bancada onde está alojada a claque do Sporting. "-Maisfutebol

I CAN ONLY WONDER!

As to the non-existant penalty. I think the reff just jumped the gun on the GK charge because of the stupid fouls Benfica made leading up to that one.

ManU pulls one back and Benfica's RB, Miguel, is sent off.

full time: 1-3 :f***:

i think sporting deserve the victory. our attacking players were completely dominated by Sporting defence with great performances of Beto and Polga. Ricardo with a great game too. Horrible game of Simão, Sokota and Tiago...:(

Congratulations to Sporting. If Porto win tomorrow i think the title will be impossible.

Another penalty for Sporting; Sá Pinto makes it 3-1 for the 'lagartos'. The morons on the radio are saying it wasn't foul, but I think this time the ref was right: Liedson had his position established and Ricardo Rocha clearly ran against him.
Eh, amazing how annoyed the TSF reporters are with their team's loss. Typical... :rolleyes:

final score: 1-3 :rolleyes:

a full congrats to Sporting, the win was deserved. Once again our errors killed us..

good to see Ricardo finally have a good game after a while, he made some great saves and kept it 1-2 in the 89th minute with a decisive stop.


*sigh* oh well... I'm off to watch Valencia-Villarreal (:/)

well i liked sporting but the first penalty was really fake, anyway benfica key players wore very poor.

sporting deserve the win

S. Ricardo tambem ajudou

Originally posted by AcillateM
well i liked sporting but the first penalty was really fake, anyway benfica key players wore very poor.

sporting deserve the win

S. Ricardo tambem ajudou

I agree with everything u said, sporting deserved the win, although there are some pleyers that should be in the circus *COF* silva *COF* :rolleyes: our key players simao, tiago, etc... just sucked :rolleyes: I was just disapointed with benfica's players attitude, specialy after luisão's goal instead of playing FASTER they were so f*cking SLOW... oh and Hélder, everytime he had the ball on his feet he took like 30 seconds to pass it to another player at his side or even worse pass it to Ricardo or to a sporting's defender - also he must be the slowest player of ( at least ) the portuguese superleague :kader: and he isnt only slow he makes the game slow, of course his colegues didnt help much on this aspect and some / many of them did the same but for crying out loud this sh*t happens with him in every single game :f***: and camacho sees him doing so and says nothing...

I'm very disappointed that many of our players and sporting's players didnt perform as well as they could with all the big clubs watching this game.

anyway this result dosen´t say mutch there is nothing lost for benfica and there is no superliga champions to sporting lets hope porto lose some points.

Well...the first penalty didn't turn out to be a penalty afterall. But lets be honest here, everyone thought that it was a penalty when it happened in real time. We, the watchers, have the benefit (or the misfortune as I like to call it) of instant replay. I don't think any ref in the world would have made a different call there.

Benfica also never looked like a team that wanted to win. They were simply overmatched by Sporting who came into the game charged. Pedro Barbosa is in the midst of his usual two months of torrid form.

The second PK was a penalty. Rocha bullrushed Liedson...no doubt in my mind. Petit should have been shown a red for that barbaric backfooted challenge on Liedson towards the end of the match. Nuno Gomes is terrible. I take back all the praise I've, in the past, lavished on Luisao cause....he sucks. The second goal was entirely his fault (and its not the first where he was at fault for a big goal -CFB & FCP matches-)

Did Sokota play?

And how about Lourenco? His miss was pure scandal but worse was a minute or two later when he was chasing down Luisao down the wing. Bear in mind that Luisao had been on the field for the entire match whereas Lourenco had been on for a few minutes. Lourenco was huffing and puffind his way to Luisao. Thats embarrassing. An athlete at this level should not be doing that.

I know that I am going to draw a lot of heat from the Benfiquistas on the board, while at the same time, drawing a round of applause from the supporters of the Northern and Southern Enemies for what I am about to say, but here goes:

I'm sorry, but Camacho will never win the big match. He never won the big one as a player with Real Madrid and Spain, he never won the big one as manager of Spain, and unfortunately, it looks like he will never win the big one as manager of Benfica. It is now the fourth straight match between Sporting and FC Porto under his stewardship that we have lost, and when we host FCP in mid-February, it looks like it will be five straight in the loss column. Finally, it looks like any remaining hope of us winning the league this year has gone up in smoke with the 1:3 defeat. Now if you'll excuse me, I am about to open 4 six-packs of Sagres, one for each defeat to SCP and FCP under Camacho. And to answer your questions, no, I'm not sharing, unless your username is ::shinji::, Punkt, Parasol, psp, bbranco10, Virgo, and any other Benfiquista that I forgot to mention.

Originally posted by Punkt
If Porto win tomorrow i think the title will be impossible.

Really? :confused: By your words in the last days i thought Benfica will win every competitions this year... :hump: At least you're getting conscious.

ill take one:D

It was a good game to get in the bag, but I'm hoping Santos doesn't let this get to his head. Congrats to Silva on his second goal for us(I think it was his second, correct me if I'm wrong).

The only bad thing about the night was that it didn't flow as good as the first round of this derby last year. So many cards.

IT WAS A GOOD GAME??? HOW CAN YOU FREAKING SAY THAT!!! WHAT A DISGRACE

OMG this refereeing was freaking outrageous that ref should be suspended at least.

- non existing penalty in favour of Sporting signaled in the 7th minute.
- 2 clear penalties in favour of Benfica not signaled
- a goal disallowed by the ref when Ricardo defended a freekick and landed with his body after the goal line.

I'm really ashamed of this crap... worst refereeing I ever seen since Jose Pratas running away from Fernando Couto in a Porto - Benfica game.

I'd like to see 5 Violinos and Dias da Cunha talk about the ref now :f***: :f***: :f***:

Originally posted by MarcoCanada
Well...the first penalty didn't turn out to be a penalty afterall. But lets be honest here, everyone thought that it was a penalty when it happened in real time. We, the watchers, have the benefit (or the misfortune as I like to call it) of instant replay. I don't think any ref in the world would have made a different call there.

on those situations there's the linesman who normally helps. the linesman didn't signalled anything... i was looking at him when the poor ref signalled the damn penalty.

Sheesh, I thought we could get a respectable win out of this but it's back to the reffs.

If the linesman was behind the goal area I could see your comment making validation but it was clear from his view point he had no advantage at the call over the actual reff.

And it's funny how in Virgo's long post he decides not to mention how one of Rochemback's yellows was non-existent. But you know, it was bound to happen.

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
I thought we could get a respectable win out of this but it's back to the reffs.


respectable win? :crazyboy:

Originally posted by Virgo
IT WAS A GOOD GAME??? HOW CAN YOU FREAKING SAY THAT!!! WHAT A DISGRACE

OMG this refereeing was freaking outrageous that ref should be suspended at least.

- non existing penalty in favour of Sporting signaled in the 7th minute.
- 2 clear penalties in favour of Benfica not signaled
- a goal disallowed by the ref when Ricardo defended a freekick and landed with his body after the goal line.

I'm really ashamed of this crap... worst refereeing I ever seen since Jose Pratas running away from Fernando Couto in a Porto - Benfica game.

I'd like to see 5 Violinos and Dias da Cunha talk about the ref now :f***: :f***: :f***:

after the goal line? Get your eyes checked, he was spot on the line.

Two penalties? Elaborate on which two you speak of.

The 7th minute penalty was in fact not a penalty...but last I checked we have replay. The ref does not. To him (happened so fast) it looked like a penalty.

Originally posted by Virgo
IT WAS A GOOD GAME??? HOW CAN YOU FREAKING SAY THAT!!! WHAT A DISGRACE

Read my post again with about 4% less stupid thoughts in your head.

Originally posted by Parasol
respectable win? :crazyboy:
Yes, as in we beat you, you lost. We dominated the game and even without the first goal we would've won, today everything came together for us. And everything fell apart for Benfica. Tiago and Simao played like crap. Aguiar played like the moron we all know who can't string a pass to save his life.

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
We dominated the game



did you saw the same game as me? i don't think so.

Originally posted by Parasol
did you saw the same game as me? i don't think so.
When you come out with a 5-2-3(not including Aguiar into mids, since he can't string a pass), you're asking for something. We dominated the midfield game today, why? Because Simao and Tiago played crap.

Benfica's attacks for the main part were full of nervousness. They never really looked confident on the ball. You should deal with losses. Hell I'm pissed Beira-Mar lost, but things happen.

It's kinda easy to control a game when you get to the lead in the first minutes with a non existing penalty which made Benfica players lose control, then get a 2nd goal with the best freakin cross I've ever seen in my life (I bet he doesn't know how he did it and wouldn't do it again if he wanted to). And Benfica dominated game after Rochemback was sent off, although it was our obligation.

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
Sheesh, I thought we could get a respectable win out of this but it's back to the reffs.



speaking of refs, in a way I'm glad he called a couple penalties in Sporting's favour because if it had been the other way around then there would have been a whole pile of controversy because he's a Benfica socio...nobody remembers this now? :rolleyes: anyway, there's no point in even discussing the offiating, only one team came to play a derby today and they won.

I have to admit I'm very dissapointed in Benfica & Camacho, we should have been all teeth and claws in this game but instead we played with zero passion, and this during a time when the team looked like it was really starting to get into good form... all we can hope for now is that Porto has a few "accidents" and loses some points along the way.

Originally posted by Virgo
It's kinda easy to control a game when you get to the lead in the first minutes with a non existing penalty which made Benfica players lose control, then get a 2nd goal with the best freakin cross I've ever seen in my life (I bet he doesn't know how he did it and wouldn't do it again if he wanted to). And Benfica dominated game after Rochemback was sent off, although it was our obligation.


Do I need to say anything else than sore loser? Wow Benfica dominated after Rochemback was sent off, so what? If they can't dominate the game with 22 players on pitch how are they to win games? Also, how is that even a valid comment, when one of Rochemback's yellows wasn't even deserved? And we've already had the discussion on the first penalty, and especially after all the dumb fouls Benfica had pulled up to that minute, it's hard to think the reff would view the incident in a different light.

And if Benfica can't come back from behind a goal it shows they are no team. There's a reason you dominated Beira-Mar for 45 minutes and lost. Benfica get pissed when they're outplayed and they get cocky when they play well.

It wasn't an argument, it's a fact... You said Sporting dominated, I said Benfica clearly dominated after Rochemback got sent off. Anyway what makes me sick if it was the other way around, the ref would be totally toasted by Dias da Cunha and co. As it is with Benfica and we're used to it... every year it's the same crap in derbies, this outrageous refereeing will go unpunished.

Originally posted by ::shinji::
speaking of refs, in a way I'm glad he called a couple penalties in Sporting's favour because if it had been the other way around then there would have been a whole pile of controversy because he's a Benfica socio...nobody remembers this now? :rolleyes: anyway, there's no point in even discussing the offiating, only one team came to play a derby today and they won.

Aside from 5 Violinos there's been no one talking about reffs. And I'd love to know what you're on about with the Benfica socio comment. But either way, even without 5 Violinos you're going to have someone comment about crap reffing sooner or later, and these kids are bringin up invalid arguements. The reff called the PK because of what he saw at that point and what he saw the Benfica players doing up till' that point. If you don't want to get wronfull fouls don't foul around like a jackass because that comes to bite you, and today it bit Benfica big in the early minuts. That's life, and any arguing going on about the game isn't going to change the scoreline.

Nevertheless Benfica did play like crap... although Sporting didn't really play much better...

We need a team leader and a playmaker if we want to win anything in a near future.

Originally posted by Virgo
It wasn't an argument, it's a fact... You said Sporting dominated, I said Benfica clearly dominated after Rochemback got sent off. Anyway what makes me sick if it was the other way around, the ref would be totally toasted by Dias da Cunha and co. As it is with Benfica and we're used to it... every year it's the same crap in derbies, this outrageous refereeing will go unpunished.
And it's a fact that Benfica only dominated because Rochemback was off. Rochemback is a PLAYER, he's an OBSTACLE. Clubs bring in GOOD players. It's football, man. FOOTBALL. If you can only start to dominate based on man advantage that's nothing to boast about my friend. That's all I'll comment about unless I see something REALLY stupid(no doubt someone will say it).

Originally posted by Virgo
Nevertheless Benfica did play like crap... although Sporting didn't really play much better...

We need a team leader and a playmaker if we want to win anything in a near future.
Wasn't Simao the golden-boy?

And PS:"It wasn't an argument, it's a fact": When did I say it was an arguement?:confused:

As usual, those who lost chose to blame it on the ref (except for the class of these boards), forgetting how awful their team wasl; starting in Camacho himself, who chose to invent a new position for Tiago, right when the team most needed their talented midfielder; then we got Simão, the master of disappearing when the game is played under heat, but also Miguel didn't make his trademark runs up the wing.
I think they fell to the pressure of knowing they were being scouted by folks from top euro clubs (who were on the stands).
Aguiar and Luisão, on the other hand, performed at their top level.

It's not that Sporting played on hell of a game, even if they had the best chances, but the luck was behind them all the way, through scoring in crucial moments. Benfica dominated, but didn't intimidate. Sporting always looked in control, even when they were one man down (the string of passes between Barbosa, Rui Jorge and Sá Pinto was incredible!)

Oh, and Barbosa is an old weasel. I really hate this guy; check out how he always raises his foot when he gets into contact with another player.:kader:

So we got the lagartos chasing us now, uh? That's cool by me. Honestly, I feared more Benfica. Having a squad of young players is always impredictable: if they start believing there's no idea where they'll stop. Seems like they'll stop in the 3rd place.

It was a pretty even game, with the penalty and all till Rochemback got sent off...


Yeah Benfica played like crap, but only a blind man can say that the ref had no influence in the result.

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
Aside from 5 Violinos there's been no one talking about reffs. And I'd love to know what you're on about with the Benfica socio comment.

didn't you read any of the pre-game hype? there was a big stink being raised by Sporting because the referee Pedro Proença is a Benfica socio... a lot of people were saying how "convienient" it was that the ref was a Benfiquista.

Originally posted by Virgo

Yeah Benfica played like crap, but only a blind man can say that the ref had no influence in the result.
The reff had no influence in the result...
He wrongfully took off Rochemback and he gave us an unfair penalty, he had an influence but not enough to change the game, and still waiting on these 2 penalties that Benfica had...

Great game by Sporting! We won and we won well! :) No way referee had influence on the result! HE had mistakes to both sides. Sporting played better than Benfica and the result is fair.

ahah major bull...

How can you say a non existing penalty at the 7th minute did not influence the result...

you're either totally biased or totally stupid :f***:

The result was fair since Sporting showed more class and some players of Benfica played like sh*t, Sporting was the better side specially in the 1st half and also defending the 2-1 with 10 players. About the ref i must say that the first penalty didn't exist but it was one penalty that wasn't signed against Benfica for a handball of Miguel, also Rochemback's red card was unfair and the last penalty was a fair decision. To conclude all i can say is congratulations to Sporting, they deserved the victory for their effort and determination. As for Benfica i think their chances of winning the league are almost zero if Porto and Sporting keep playing at their best level. ;) :hump: (H)

I'll wait for the newspaper refereeing reviews before saying any further, but the Miguel's handball was TOTALLY casual. No need to be Anti-Benfica... we already lost.

Originally posted by Virgo
I'll wait for the newspaper refereeing reviews before saying any further, but the Miguel's handball was TOTALLY casual. No need to be Anti-Benfica... we already lost.

I'm anti-benfica but i've saw the game in a neutral position (live and also the highlights) and i can say that for me it was a penalty cause Miguel touched the ball with his arm and it stoped the ball to went to the goalie.

Apart from all this things that you are talking you're missing a point, Sporting proved to be the one that who's gonna take the 2nd place relegating Benfica to his place as the 3rd team in Portugal nowadays. FC Porto continues in 1rst place and with the victory against Rio Ave will put Benfica 9 points down and Sporting 5. Concluding i think that was a great lesson to Benfica of how to play and how to face consecutive winnings. Sporting played smart and won, Benfica proved to have a weak mentality, speccialy in the great games... I can almost assure that Porto will be the championship, Sporting the second and Benfica third or fourth depending on Beira-Mar performance. Now who's fanatic? :p

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
The reff called the PK because of what he saw at that point and what he saw the Benfica players doing up till' that point.


as if there was much time one the game.... :crazyboy: the penalty was called on the 7th minute so there wasn't that much time for the ref to examine the players attitudes.


and that hand of polga in nuno gomes face inside the area on the second half? that isn't important, i forgot. congrats setuberligi! see you on the cups!:rockman:

Originally posted by Parasol
congrats setuberligi! see you on the cups!:rockman:

Don't be so happy, it's just a matter of time to see Benfica eliminated from the cups and strugling for the 2nd or 3rd place in Superliga, nothing new nowadays... like i said i think Sporting gave a lesson to Benfica today... learn something before becoming the next waiting 18 years or more for a championship. :crazyboy:

Originally posted by Parasol
as if there was much time one the game.... :crazyboy: the penalty was called on the 7th minute so there wasn't that much time for the ref to examine the players attitudes.


and that hand of polga in nuno gomes face inside the area on the second half? that isn't important, i forgot. congrats setuberligi! see you on the cups!:rockman:
Yeah I guess 3 stupid Benfica fouls in 7 minutes isn't enough to see where the games headed.

Hand of Polga? Show me, then.

Setuberligi? You're a bad loser, it's so funny. Sheesh we lost 3-1 LETS BLAME THE REFFS AND WHEN THAT FAILS LETS MENTION CRAP NOT INVOLVED WITH THE GAME!:crazyboy: :kader:

Seriously I thought you'd have SOME class..

i'm just posting what i've seen in loco... and, as i said before, it was a really bad day for the ref. i want to believe in that... yeah... whatever, 3 points are gone, next game please.

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
Yeah I guess 3 stupid Benfica fouls in 7 minutes isn't enough to see where the games headed.

Hand of Polga? Show me, then.

Setuberligi? You're a bad loser, it's so funny. Sheesh we lost 3-1 LETS BLAME THE REFFS AND WHEN THAT FAILS LETS MENTION CRAP NOT INVOLVED WITH THE GAME!:crazyboy: :kader:

Seriously I thought you'd have SOME class..

Class from a lamp? No way, they are all equal... blinded, living in the past and always thinking that they were robbed, get used to it. You'll see i'm not that fanatic as you thought... ;)

yes you can talk because you are a guy with tons of class... :rolleyes:

Infesta and Goo Goo Boy for example are Porto supporters with class. you clearly aren't, so don't talk about something that you don't have.

I guess the Juve scouts went there for nothing? :o I could not see the game so I can't make a judgement but from what I read here Tiago was poor?

Originally posted by mark77
I guess the Juve scouts went there for nothing? :o I could not see the game so I can't make a judgement but from what I read here Tiago was poor?

yes, and the main reason is that he played in the right side. clearly is not the position where he plays better.

Originally posted by mark77
I guess the Juve scouts went there for nothing? :o I could not see the game so I can't make a judgement but from what I read here Tiago was poor?

He was great last year but this year he was poor in many games, like i said i think he's nothing special, Juve deserves better players, keep your money for Deco for example. ;)

Originally posted by Punkt
yes you can talk because you are a guy with tons of class... :rolleyes:

Infesta and Goo Goo Boy for example are Porto supporters with class. you clearly aren't, so don't talk about something that you don't have.

I would say that they simple are "politicamente correctos".

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
He was great last year but this year he was poor in many games, like i said i think he's nothing special, Juve deserves better players, keep your money for Deco for example. ;)

I know we were interested in him last year but I think Porto wants to much $$$. He plays more on the right like Camoranesi from what I saw.

Originally posted by mark77
I know we were interested in him last year but I think Porto wants to much $$$. He plays more on the right like Camoranesi from what I saw.

No way... Deco is an centre attacking midfielder... almost like Nedved, sometimes Deco goes to right or left but his role is playmaker. :rockman: Sure we want much money, he is a magician, i can assure you that his skills are awesome.

I guess we won't take him if he plays "a la" Nedved. Don't think he wants to be on the bench for a couple of years. :(

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
Class from a lamp? No way, they are all equal... blinded, living in the past and always thinking that they were robbed, get used to it. You'll see i'm not that fanatic as you thought... ;)

you're a f*cking idiot. seriously. :nape:

Bad game very bad. And I'm not going to rave about the ref, eventhough he did have a big influence, however I will pick at someone else: Jose Antonio Camacho.

What a bad formation, and he has now lost 3 official derbies in a row. With him in charge, our team has no leader, and no balls heading into these big games. We can't be nervous like this, it's why we lost! Also please put aside your bad relations with Roger JAC, he should be starting no matter what. Zahovic is honestly, one of the worst players on our team.

Camacho: shape up or ship out. We have the team to be champions, but you are not a good leader.

I could go on for years, however I'm tired, pissed off and I have to go to school tommorow.

This game was crap. But Sporting played better and deserved to win.

Camacho screwed with our lineup big time. Nobody on the attacking right, Zahovic played in the middle all his time on field making Miguel run up and down the field like a dog. Joao Pieria should of started. Helder slow ass MOFO.

TOO many fouls. No wonder 1a Liga has the most fouls per game in Europe :(

1st goal bad call.

Roger should of gotten a PK obstruction(sandwich style :p)

Miguel had a handball should of been a PK for Sporting even though it was by accident.

Rochemback deserved the first yellow because when Miguel was falling towards him he lifted his elbow making contact.

The REF had some inconsistent play calling.



AND YES OUR TITLE HOPES ARE DEAD....Now pass over the cerveja:p

move along guys with or without PK, sporting deserved to win

do you honestly think the game would have been the same if that Silva penalty hadn't happened?

Biased f*cks :f***:

Originally posted by calve11
Camacho: shape up or ship out. We have the team to be champions, but you are not a good leader.

I could go on for years, however I'm tired, pissed off and I have to go to school tommorow.

Do you really believe it? Wasn't Camacho the best coach ever? I'm glad to see nothing changed in Benfica... (H) Prepare yourself for 20 years or more withouth being champions...

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
I would say that they simple are "politicamente correctos".

Politicamente correcto o caralho. Nem me conheces e chegáste a este fórum há relativamente pouco tempo, por isso nem sonhas com o que já aconteceu (e acontece) nos bastidores...

And Punkt is right (forgive me the lack of modesty, please :$).

Originally posted by INFESTA
Politicamente correcto o caralho. Nem me conheces e chegáste a este fórum há relativamente pouco tempo, por isso nem sonhas com o que já aconteceu (e acontece) nos bastidores...

And Punkt is right (forgive me the lack of modesty, please :$).

Relativamente pouco tempo? Ando por aqui há mais de 1 ano e pelo que tenho visto dos teus posts muitas vezes és politicamente correcto, será por ser moderador se calhar, n sei, simplesmente eu falei do que me parece. O Punkt disse que tu e o Goo Goo eram verdadeiros e bons Portistas. Ora bem, a minha noção de "Verdadeiro Portista" é, amar o Porto, não dizer certas palhaçadas contra a própria equipa como já disseste, ver todos os jogos seja na TV ou no estádio, um pouco de fanatismo mas sem violência e claro odiar o benfica. O problema para essa lampiada é eu ser isso mesmo e não ser politicamente correcto para com eles, portista que não é odiado não é portista... :rockman:

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
portista que não é odiado não é portista... :rockman:

que tristeza... :rolleyes: ainda falas de classe... falas tanto de ódio. mas que ódio? estamos em alguma guerra?ódio deves ter é aos terroristas que matam inocentes ou aos violadores, assassinos etc.isso sim...agora só porque uma pessoa gosta de um clube que tu não gostas é para ser odiado?? eu não odeio ninguém. até tenho bons amigos portistas. e já agora lá por que o Infesta dá as suas opiniões sobre o seu clube, claro que nem sempre favoráveis porque nao há clubes perfeitos, já não é um verdadeiro portista? porquê? deve ser porque não é faccioso como tu. Ele queixa-se de ter pago o lugar anual e de continuar apanhar chuva? faz ele muito bem, eu fazia o mesmo. isso não faz dele pior ou melhor portista do que tu. mas é a tal diferença que eu referi: ele sabe estar, tu não...

Originally posted by Virgo
do you honestly think the game would have been the same if that Silva penalty hadn't happened?

Biased f*cks :f***:
You're officially the worst loser in Benfica history.

PS: Watch out, they'll soon be talking about Porto's 90th minute penalty...

But at the same time: ******* MOFOS COULDN'T GO STOPPAGE TIME WITHOUT GETTING A GOAL!(due to PL prediction:crazyboy: )

Originally posted by Punkt
que tristeza... :rolleyes: ainda falas de classe... falas tanto de ódio. mas que ódio? estamos em alguma guerra?ódio deves ter é aos terroristas que matam inocentes ou aos violadores, assassinos etc.isso sim...agora só porque uma pessoa gosta de um clube que tu não gostas é para ser odiado?? eu não odeio ninguém. até tenho bons amigos portistas. e já agora lá por que o Infesta dá as suas opiniões sobre o seu clube, claro que nem sempre favoráveis porque nao há clubes perfeitos, já não é um verdadeiro portista? porquê? deve ser porque não é faccioso como tu. Ele queixa-se de ter pago o lugar anual e de continuar apanhar chuva? faz ele muito bem, eu fazia o mesmo. isso não faz dele pior ou melhor portista do que tu. mas é a tal diferença que eu referi: ele sabe estar, tu não...

Ele sabe estar claro, é simpático, eu sei como os lamps gostam deste género de portistas... é tão fixe para vós, como tu querias só adeptos destes. Muitos nas Antas têm lugar anual e são sócios e não sofrem metade do que eu sofro e para mais não sou sócio nem tenho lugar anul. Chuva? Já apanhei muitas molhas nas Antas e n me queixei...

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
PS: Watch out, they'll soon be talking about Porto's 90th minute penalty...

Now you're getting conscious of the "lamp mentality", you've saw the light. ;)

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
Ele sabe estar claro, é simpático, eu sei como os lamps gostam deste género de portistas... é tão fixe para vós, como tu querias só adeptos destes.

eu queria? eu não quero nada nem tenho nada a ver com o Porto...

Originally posted by Punkt
eu queria? eu não quero nada nem tenho nada a ver com o Porto...

Ainda bem, tb ng do FCP quer ter nada a ver ctg. :hump:

Btw now no one remembers the pathetic statement of Zahovic before benfica start playing in the "mesquita"? He said:

"No novo estádio seremos imbativeis..."

They have 2 losses already... it's case to say "Perdeu uma boa oportunidade de estar calado." :crazyboy:

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
Relativamente pouco tempo? Ando por aqui há mais de 1 ano e pelo que tenho visto dos teus posts muitas vezes és politicamente correcto, será por ser moderador se calhar, n sei, simplesmente eu falei do que me parece. O Punkt disse que tu e o Goo Goo eram verdadeiros e bons Portistas. Ora bem, a minha noção de "Verdadeiro Portista" é, amar o Porto, não dizer certas palhaçadas contra a própria equipa como já disseste, ver todos os jogos seja na TV ou no estádio, um pouco de fanatismo mas sem violência e claro odiar o benfica. O problema para essa lampiada é eu ser isso mesmo e não ser politicamente correcto para com eles, portista que não é odiado não é portista... :rockman:

...mas que grande portista, sim senhor! :jap:

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]

Ele sabe estar claro, é simpático, eu sei como os lamps gostam deste género de portistas... é tão fixe para vós, como tu querias só adeptos destes. Muitos nas Antas têm lugar anual e são sócios e não sofrem metade do que eu sofro e para mais não sou sócio nem tenho lugar anul. Chuva? Já apanhei muitas molhas nas Antas e n me queixei...

o INFESTA e bonitinho demais para apanhar chuva, bem fez ele queixar-se! :evil:

Originally posted by ::shinji::
...mas que grande portista, sim senhor! :jap:

o INFESTA e bonitinho demais para apanhar chuva, bem fez ele queixar-se! :evil:

Obrigado pelo elogio... e já agora tens alguma paixão pelo Infesta? :crazyboy:

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
Ele sabe estar claro, é simpático, eu sei como os lamps gostam deste género de portistas... é tão fixe para vós, como tu querias só adeptos destes. Muitos nas Antas têm lugar anual e são sócios e não sofrem metade do que eu sofro e para mais não sou sócio nem tenho lugar anul. Chuva? Já apanhei muitas molhas nas Antas e n me queixei...

Não, a diferença mesmo é que ele tem nível, ao contrário de ti. Ser reles não é sinónimo de ser mais portista, julgo eu, mas tu lá sabes... :p

O carácter de uma pessoa não tem nada a ver com o seu clube, pode ser do Benfica, do Sporting, do Porto, do Boavista ou do Carcavelinhos... Há gente com valor e de valores em qualquer parte (isto também se aplica a regiões, países e raças) e, do mesmo modo, estupores de primeira. Claro que as coisas não são totalmente pretas ou brancas no mundo, e todos temos aspectos positivos e negativos. Mas pode-se avaliar a atitude das pessoas em situações concretas, isso sim.

Ah, e isto não é ser politicamente correcto, é usar a racionalidade e ser tolerante, acho eu. No fundo, é cumprir uns requisitos mínimos na relação com os outros. É o sempre actual e importante lema: "Não faças aos outros o que não queres que te façam a ti". Algo fundamental em qualquer ser humano, a meu ver, mas às tantas eu é que estou errado, bastanta também olhar para o mundo à nossa volta...

Bem, mas é por estas e por outras que é raro vir aqui colocar posts, porque este fórum tem potencial para poder ser um óptimo espaço de conversa, discussão e rivalidade sã, mas meia dúzia de pessoas estragam o ambiente todo... Oh, well...

Anyway, não vou perder mais tempo com este tipo de coisas, adiante!

welcome back Nakamura, good to see you in the forums again! :)

Thanks, shinji! :) I've been absent for quite some time, having a busy phase, but from time to time I always came here to read the posts, but never actually wrote anything. As I said, sometimes the gibberish in here gets me off, but still, some very nice ppl, I get upset that I can't be more regularly here. Anyway, I'll try to and I'll also fight the laziness, lol.

Hope 2004 is a great year to all in their personal lifes, and also a great one for football! Let's not forget Euro 2004, it's a pretty big event, all the portuguese people will certainly be wishing that it is a big success!

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
Relativamente pouco tempo? Ando por aqui há mais de 1 ano e pelo que tenho visto dos teus posts muitas vezes és politicamente correcto, será por ser moderador se calhar, n sei, simplesmente eu falei do que me parece. O Punkt disse que tu e o Goo Goo eram verdadeiros e bons Portistas. Ora bem, a minha noção de "Verdadeiro Portista" é, amar o Porto, não dizer certas palhaçadas contra a própria equipa como já disseste, ver todos os jogos seja na TV ou no estádio, um pouco de fanatismo mas sem violência e claro odiar o benfica. O problema para essa lampiada é eu ser isso mesmo e não ser politicamente correcto para com eles, portista que não é odiado não é portista...

Um ano para mim e para o shinji é pouco tempo.

Mais uma vez, tu não sabes nem sonhas as lutas que já tive aqui, porque tenho coragem para dizer o que penso, seja a ti seja ao dono deste site. Aliás, não deixo que ninguém pense por mim. Por isso é que me queixo do facto de ter de apanhar chuva para ver o FCP qd temos um estádio coberto prontinho para ser usado. Enfim, dizer que se apanhou chuva nas Antas e não se queixou não é ser portista - é ser idiota.

Também já te disse que ia ver jogos do FCP quando ainda andavas de fraldas, por isso não me venhas com merdas de que és mais portista do que sei lá quem. Quando eu começei a ir às Antas ainda não ganhávamos pentacampeonatos nem competições europeias. Sublinho: competições europeias.

Mas pronto, não vale a pena perder tempo contigo. És um puto, e ainda por cima um pouco idiota. Mais, tens a mania que és esperto, lá porque andas na universidade. Pá, been there done that e não ando para aqui a puxar dos galões. Mas, enfim, é mesmo perder tempo contigo... :rolleyes:

O Nakamura é que tem razão (welcome back, mate! :)): algumas pessoas estragam este fórum, e tu és uma delas. Para mim, és o elo mais fraco, e estou na dúvida se te hei-de banir. Pelo menos não hoje, porque não estive a escrever o testamento para depois não to deixar ler. Mas não vais ficar aqui por muito tempo. Palavra de Portista, com 'P' grande.

Resume in english: Mouta needs to grow up.

Originally posted by INFESTA
Um ano para mim e para o shinji é pouco tempo.

Mais uma vez, tu não sabes nem sonhas as lutas que já tive aqui, porque tenho coragem para dizer o que penso, seja a ti seja ao dono deste site. Aliás, não deixo que ninguém pense por mim. Por isso é que me queixo do facto de ter de apanhar chuva para ver o FCP qd temos um estádio coberto prontinho para ser usado. Enfim, dizer que se apanhou chuva nas Antas e não se queixou não é ser portista - é ser idiota.

Também já te disse que ia ver jogos do FCP quando ainda andavas de fraldas, por isso não me venhas com merdas de que és mais portista do que sei lá quem. Quando eu começei a ir às Antas ainda não ganhávamos pentacampeonatos nem competições europeias. Sublinho: competições europeias.

Mas pronto, não vale a pena perder tempo contigo. És um puto, e ainda por cima um pouco idiota. Mais, tens a mania que és esperto, lá porque andas na universidade. Pá, been there done that e não ando para aqui a puxar dos galões. Mas, enfim, é mesmo perder tempo contigo... :rolleyes:

O Nakamura é que tem razão (welcome back, mate! :)): algumas pessoas estragam este fórum, e tu és uma delas. Para mim, és o elo mais fraco, e estou na dúvida se te hei-de banir. Pelo menos não hoje, porque não estive a escrever o testamento para depois não to deixar ler. Mas não vais ficar aqui por muito tempo. Palavra de Portista, com 'P' grande.

Resume in english: Mouta needs to grow up.

É assim eu já nem sei o que te vai por essa cabeça... ficaste muito afectado. As pessoas bem me conhecem e eu tenho direito à minha opinião. Não gostas não comentas, agora pensar em banir-me por eu expressar a minha opinião acho que é um abuso e uma estupidez da tua parte, já para não falar de falta de argumentos. Tu podes estar aqui há muito tempo mas eu já dei muito mais a estes fórums do que tu alguma vez possas dar. Eu não falo só neste, como tu, intervenho no Grafix, FIFA 2004 e mesmo no do PES. Muita gente gosta do que eu faço e não me julga pela minha opinião neste fórum pois sabem separar as coisas. Faz o que bem entenderes mas pensa sempre que estás a banir uma pessoa que não tem manias ao contrário de muitas. Dizes que eu sou puto e que me armo em inteligente por andar na universidade mas o que parece é que isso te persegue a ti, eu encaro isso com naturalidade e só o disse pk o Punkt chamou-me gentalha. Quanto a seres um grande portista posso assegurar-te que nem és metade do que eu sou, não me conheces... Fica lá tu e mais os politicamente correctos e a lampiada toda, fazei uma festa, bani todas as pessoas que sofrem pelo seu clube e isto será o paraiso... que tristeza... :kader:

Já agora se achas que apanhar chuva é ser idiota então disses-te tudo...eu estive nas Antas muitas vezes à chuva pois sofro pelo meu clube e nem o tempo me impedia de o ir apoiar. Acho que são adeptos como tu que assobiam a equipa ou que são os primeiros a criticar os SD ou a mandar vim com a instituição. Aprende a respeitar os verdadeiros portistas pois o que dizes dos SD só mostra o teu carácter. Agora como já disse antes bane-me se quiseres mas acho que mostraria tudo o que és infelizmente.

eu chamei-te gentalha e o que tu ja me chamaste? vai reler todo o thread da superliga e verifica a quantidade de insultos que já mandaste a users incluindo eu o Hugo Viana etc... quanto ao resto só mostra o que és por isso já nem faço comentários...

Originally posted by Punkt
eu chamei-te gentalha e o que tu ja me chamaste? vai reler todo este thread e verifica a quantidade de insultos que já mandaste a users incluindo eu o Hugo Viana etc... quanto ao resto só mostra o que és por isso já nem faço comentários...

Diz-me lá o que te chamei ou ao Hugo Viana... aliás o Hugo Viana já começa é a ver a mentalidade facista e a mania da perseguição de certos lamps. E de que resto tás a falar? Aquilo que sou? Nem me conheces... pergunta a quem me conhece pessoalmente o que sou, simplesmente não sou hipócrita nem politicamente correcto. É preciso ter lata para ainda insultar uma pessoa que passou 6 meses da sua vida em frente a um computador para que outros pudessem ter diversão sem eu completamente desfrutar do que fiz mas o que se há-de fazer... é que ainda por cima nem sou daqueles armantes, não me viste andar por ai a armar com isso ou a pedir vassalagem. Muita gente já aprendeu tanta coisa na vida e tu tb devias aprende-las. Não penses que tens toda a maturidade. Como dizia alguém, antes de criticar os outros olha para ti. E para acabar toda a gente tem direito à sua opinião no futebol, aliás muita gente no futebol diz umas coisas e na vida real n tem nada a ver, o futebol mexe com muitas paixões mas muita gente não sabe separar, eu já tive altas discussões de futebol e no fim continuei sempre amigo das pessoas e ainda nos riamos. Como as pessoas são diferentes...

eu já sabia que ias dizer que não chamaste nada a ninguém. por isso dei me ao trabalho de pesquisar as primeiras 60 paginas do thread superliga e encontrei isto:

Well said. I don't comment all this stupid and frustrated people comments
25-08-2003 09:56:AM

És um frustado de merda
30-08-2003 02:22:PM

Vamos fazer mais uma grande campanha Europeia e isso vai-te custar tanto a ti e a todos os FDP como tu que já metem nojo que não conseguem ver nada e que são uns facciosos de merda.
30-08-2003 02:22:PM

Always the same idiot...
13-09-2003 06:07:PM

About your comments i think you're a kid and i don't argue with stupid and uninformed kids.
22-09-2003 10:07:AM

só nas primeiras 60 paginas...

insultos a mim ao shinji ao hugo viana, etc. e já exclui os que mandaste ao alvalade XXI...
e desde quando fazeres patches dá-te o direito de dizeres o que quiseres?? essa é boa... e quem és tu para me dar lições de moral sobre comportamento? e logo tu...

desculpa Infesta estes posts em Portugues mas eu tinha de me defender. agora ta-se a fazer de santo....

Originally posted by Punkt
eu já sabia que ias dizer que não chamaste nada a ninguém. por isso dei me ao trabalho de pesquisar as primeiras 60 paginas do thread superliga e encontrei isto:

Well said. I don't comment all this stupid and frustrated people comments
25-08-2003 09:56:AM

És um frustado de merda
30-08-2003 02:22:PM

Vamos fazer mais uma grande campanha Europeia e isso vai-te custar tanto a ti e a todos os FDP como tu que já metem nojo que não conseguem ver nada e que são uns facciosos de merda.
30-08-2003 02:22:PM

Always the same idiot...
13-09-2003 06:07:PM

About your comments i think you're a kid and i don't argue with stupid and uninformed kids.
22-09-2003 10:07:AM

só nas primeiras 60 paginas...

insultos a mim ao shinji ao hugo viana, etc. e já exclui os que mandaste ao alvalade XXI...
e desde quando fazeres patches dá-te o direito de dizeres o que quiseres?? essa é boa...

desculpa Infesta estes posts em Portugues mas eu tinha de me defender. agora ta-se a fazer de santo....

Ora ai está... tudo comentários frontais e sem hipócrisia, já agora era muito porreiro que pusesses o contexto desses comentários pois pores prai essas frases fora do contexto é muito porreiro para ganhares argumentos. Ma s já agora comentando algumas dessas frases...

Vamos fazer mais uma grande campanha Europeia e isso vai-te custar tanto a ti e a todos os FDP como tu que já metem nojo que não conseguem ver nada e que são uns facciosos de merda.
30-08-2003 02:22:PM -> TOU A TER RAZÃO...

Well said. I don't comment all this stupid and frustrated people comments
25-08-2003 09:56:AM

És um frustado de merda
30-08-2003 02:22:PM
-> Penso que tb tenho razao pois os lamps sao frustrados e sao capazes dos comentários mais estúpidos...

Em relação ao patch tens todo o direito de não o teres usado, agora dizer que eu me uso disso para insultar isso é patético... dá mesmo para rir. Como já salientei muitas vezes eu separo as coisas, alias eu ficava lixado quando o pessoal me atirava com isso a cara pois eu nunca me armei com isso. Muitos amigos meus jogavam no patch e nem sabiam que tinha sido eu agora vê lá o que eu me armava... quanto a dizeres que eu me ando a armar em santo eu só posso dizer que tás redondamente enganado, simplesmente me defendi dizendo que as pessoas não sabem separar as coisas, não sou nenhum santo em relação ao futebol nem quero ser, amo o meu clube e demonstro-o sem problemas.

Originally posted by INFESTA
Para mim, és o elo mais fraco, e estou na dúvida se te hei-de banir. Pelo menos não hoje, porque não estive a escrever o testamento para depois não to deixar ler. Mas não vais ficar aqui por muito tempo

Assegura-te que não és cobarde e me avisas para eu me poder despedir do pessoal pois eu não sou um cromo nem um arruaceiro como certas pessoas que já foram banidas e fiz muitos amigos no Soccergaming. Caso sejas cobarde fica já aqui a minha despedida para o pessoal que sempre esteve comigo, espero que não se esqueçam de mim pois eu tb não os esquecerei e aqueles de quem tenho contactos, a gente falará no MSN. Fiquem bem e lembrem-se sempre que a sinceridade, a honestidade e a amizade nunca deve ser posta em causa pelo futebol. ;) Já agora quando me banires bane por nick e não por IP pois o meu irmão não tem culpa destas palhaçadas... :kader:

E que belos exemplos que tu das ...insultar os outros membros por serem de outros clubes e varias licoes de humildade ( ou de arrogancia extrema ?! ) ... Também ensinas que ser bom portista e odiar o benfica e os benfiquistas ? Desculpa la, nunca ninguem me disse que para ser um bom benfiquista tinha que odiar quem quer que fosse ... Se fosses um bocadinho mais inteligente vias que apenas fazes isso por condicionalismos e preconceitos, ou então por que és mesmo um perfeito imbecil . Essas atitudes so demonstram o estado de debilidade mental em que te encontras, pensas mesmo que por fazeres umas patches tens sempre razao, es o dono da verdade abslouta, podes insultar os outros membros a tua vontade ?! Eu (pelo menos) nunca te pedi nada, logo nao me venhas para aqui dizer que fizeste muito pela community etc... e nao venhas tambem dizer que sou 1 newbie etc, porque la por me ter registado este ano ( EDIT : o ano que agora terminou, melhor dizendo ) n quer dizer que n esteja aqui ha mais tempo.
E la pelo facto de andares na universidade ( big deal ) n es considerado gentalha, creio que quando o punkt disse isso ele referia-se exactamente as tuas atitudes e comportamento aqui no forum.

Lamento dizer-te que so envergonhas os portugueses aqui do forum, sim porque nao sao poucas as vezes k ja ouvi outros membros queixarem-se que alguns portugueses sao arrogantes e facciosos.. lamento tambem o facto de insultares atodos os outros portistas que nao odeiam os benfiquistas alegando que os verdadeiros portistas sao aqueles que odeiam alguem, como tu disseste o Benfica, quem pensa isto e se orgulha ainda assim, nao ha mais nada a dizer...

Sry i have written in portuguese but this must be told...

Originally posted by Tiago_10
E que belos exemplos que tu das ...insultar os outros membros por serem de outros clubes e varias licoes de humildade ( ou de arrogancia extrema ?! ) ... Também ensinas que ser bom portista e odiar o benfica e os benfiquistas ? Desculpa la, nunca ninguem me disse que para ser um bom benfiquista tinha que odiar quem quer que fosse ... Se fosses um bocadinho mais inteligente vias que apenas fazes isso por condicionalismos e preconceitos, ou então por que és mesmo um perfeito imbecil . Essas atitudes so demonstram o estado de debilidade mental em que te encontras, pensas mesmo que por fazeres umas patches tens sempre razao, es o dono da verdade abslouta, podes insultar os outros membros a tua vontade ?! Eu (pelo menos) nunca te pedi nada, logo nao me venhas para aqui dizer que fizeste muito pela community etc... e nao venhas tambem dizer que sou 1 newbie etc, porque la por me ter registado este ano ( EDIT : o ano que agora terminou, melhor dizendo ) n quer dizer que n esteja aqui ha mais tempo.
E la pelo facto de andares na universidade ( big deal ) n es considerado gentalha, creio que quando o punkt disse isso ele referia-se exactamente as tuas atitudes e comportamento aqui no forum.

Lamento dizer-te que so envergonhas os portugueses aqui do forum, sim porque nao sao poucas as vezes k ja ouvi outros membros queixarem-se que alguns portugueses sao arrogantes e facciosos.. lamento tambem o facto de insultares atodos os outros portistas que nao odeiam os benfiquistas alegando que os verdadeiros portistas sao aqueles que odeiam alguem, como tu disseste o Benfica, quem pensa isto e se orgulha ainda assim, nao ha mais nada a dizer...

Sry i have written in portuguese but this must be told...

One more talking about the patch? OMG i think that hunts you all... do i need to repeat that i don't talk in this forum as FIFA Patch Maker? I think i have the right to say that i've made more for the community that some people, cause if you go to FIFA 2003 or to FIFA 2004 Forum you'll see 2 huge threads asking me to make things and i made them, that's why i said that i've made many things for the community, i repeat my intervention on this forums it's not just on the Soccer one, and here i just talk about football... stop talking about patchs, btw i'll remind that of "Eu não te pedi nada..." (H) And really, you're a newbie... :kader:

Eu gustava de falar do derby...:crazyboy:

But please do keep going. This is beating off Jerry Springer man!(H)

Originally posted by Hugo-45-Viana
Eu gustava de falar do derby...:crazyboy:

But please do keep going. This is beating off Jerry Springer man!(H)

I agree... it's becoming ridiculous, what's the next step? Infesta and the others making a poll if should i be banned? :kader:

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
I agree... it's becoming ridiculous, what's the next step? Infesta and the others making a poll if should i be banned? :kader:


what the hell you talking about, you're the one that always starts everything! there isn't one thread about Portuguese football here that you haven't tried to provoke others, you've even completely ruined threads that have nothing to do with you like the one about the opening match at the luz :kader: that's what's ridiculous..

..and if you use the term "mouros" again in that derogatory sense, then I'll ban you myself, no polls, no warnings. I'm not as politically correct as others here.

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
É assim eu já nem sei o que te vai por essa cabeça... ficaste muito afectado. As pessoas bem me conhecem e eu tenho direito à minha opinião. Não gostas não comentas, agora pensar em banir-me por eu expressar a minha opinião acho que é um abuso e uma estupidez da tua parte, já para não falar de falta de argumentos. Tu podes estar aqui há muito tempo mas eu já dei muito mais a estes fórums do que tu alguma vez possas dar. Eu não falo só neste, como tu, intervenho no Grafix, FIFA 2004 e mesmo no do PES. Muita gente gosta do que eu faço e não me julga pela minha opinião neste fórum pois sabem separar as coisas. Faz o que bem entenderes mas pensa sempre que estás a banir uma pessoa que não tem manias ao contrário de muitas. Dizes que eu sou puto e que me armo em inteligente por andar na universidade mas o que parece é que isso te persegue a ti, eu encaro isso com naturalidade e só o disse pk o Punkt chamou-me gentalha. Quanto a seres um grande portista posso assegurar-te que nem és metade do que eu sou, não me conheces... Fica lá tu e mais os politicamente correctos e a lampiada toda, fazei uma festa, bani todas as pessoas que sofrem pelo seu clube e isto será o paraiso... que tristeza... :kader:

Já agora se achas que apanhar chuva é ser idiota então disses-te tudo...eu estive nas Antas muitas vezes à chuva pois sofro pelo meu clube e nem o tempo me impedia de o ir apoiar. Acho que são adeptos como tu que assobiam a equipa ou que são os primeiros a criticar os SD ou a mandar vim com a instituição. Aprende a respeitar os verdadeiros portistas pois o que dizes dos SD só mostra o teu carácter. Agora como já disse antes bane-me se quiseres mas acho que mostraria tudo o que és infelizmente.


Xau! :)

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
Assegura-te que não és cobarde e me avisas para eu me poder despedir do pessoal pois eu não sou um cromo nem um arruaceiro como certas pessoas que já foram banidas e fiz muitos amigos no Soccergaming. Caso sejas cobarde fica já aqui a minha despedida para o pessoal que sempre esteve comigo, espero que não se esqueçam de mim pois eu tb não os esquecerei e aqueles de quem tenho contactos, a gente falará no MSN. Fiquem bem e lembrem-se sempre que a sinceridade, a honestidade e a amizade nunca deve ser posta em causa pelo futebol. ;) Já agora quando me banires bane por nick e não por IP pois o meu irmão não tem culpa destas palhaçadas... :kader:

Tu aqui não ameaças ninguém.