As I’m always discussing with Madrid fans whether the referees helps Madrid or not, I would like to have a thread where every week we can post a discussion about that week’s game, and how many points more or less every team has.

I pretend to do it for Spanish big teams, to decide at the end of the season if the champion deserves the title.

I don’t want to make start a historical discussion again. I just want to talk about the rest of the season.

I think it is fair and no madrid supporter can criticize that.

I’m open to any suggestion from other clubs supporters to make this discussion as civilized and fair as possible

I think Valencia and Depor would have many chances to win the title but with the help Madrid is having from the ref I think they have no chance at all.


Starting this week:

Madrid was clearly helped by the ref who didn’t give, at least, a penalty commited by Helguera. There’s another possible penalty in madrid’s box, and Roberto Carlos should have been booked. Raul’s goal was offside

In Valencia, depor and barça games there are no incidents that could have changed the score.

So right now Madrid, and starting this week, Madrid has 2-3 points more that it should.

I think this week there’s no possible discussion about this.

Let’s see next weeks

They are human but it is not chance that they always help to the same ones and always harm to the same ones.

Barça is 12th in La Liga, thats why they create this thread.

The referee helped R.Madrid clearly, some Madrid newspaper wrote some articles about how bad was the referee.

Always happens this with Real Madrid:

A team playing Madrid is robbed = 400 posts about it
R.Madrid is robbed = no news ! eh referees are human they can do mistakes !

I still remember the end of the last Liga season, Referees ******* R.Madrid and helping clearly R.Sociedad. anyone saw posts of Barcelona fans cause R.Sociedad being helped?



"Raul’s goal was offside" said Panxoman

LOL so you are Blind ? goal was 100% legal, maybe for all Europe (except Barcelona). and really Clearly was Legal. Now the legal things are illegal cause Real Madrid is involved ? Buy EyeGlasses, i think you need that.

I am ******* tired of these Barcelona supporters who think their team is getting ****ed when in truth it is their team who sucks and loses to Villarreal 3-0 :D

You might as well change the title to "I hate Real Madrid" because that is all you want to say basically:kader:

Just a tip:
Why dont you worry about your own team before you worry about others;)

We can do a table counting the times that one team is helped or the opposite if you want :)

Originally posted by Dream Team
We can do a table counting the times that one team is helped or the opposite if you want :)

I remember the TV program "El dia despues" did that some seasons ago. Real Madrid lost points cause the referees and Barcelona won it ! :P

This season Real Madrid is getting "helped" by the referees but im sure in the next matches referees will f*ck us, i have that feeling.

What's the point of this thread? By the laws of that which is unknown, the refferees on the Iberian Peninsula will always make some bad call in league action.

Originally posted by Dream Team
We can do a table counting the times that one team is helped or the opposite if you want :)

OR, we could do a table counting how many opportunities Barcelona blow in a match which they eventually lose and try to distract themselves by always complaining that the refs are unfair:rolleyes:

I dunno but Im tired of all these ****ty newspapers like Marca,AS,El Pais...that just talk about Real Madrid, you know it gets boring seeing Ronaldo,Raul and company on the front page everyday... also TVE,Antena3 just talk and favour Real Madrid in everything....or if not its Atletico de Madrid..what about Getafe and Leganes and Rayo arent they from Madrid also?!

And I dont know but the referees in La Liga are reallllyyy **** specially this season

Barcelona supporters are sore losers.. their team is playing like crap and they always point the finger at the refs helping Madrid, like Valencia and Deportivo do when things dont go their way.... what this teams dont notice is that Barca also gets a lot of calls their way, and so do Deportivo and Valencia.. big teams always get questinable calls their way, specially at home...

Hey paxonmoan you should visit the Madrid-Murcia thread and check out the pics for raul's goal since I do believe he was on-sides for the goal. :p

i got the game on tape, i thought he was offsides lol

check out the Murcia player in the box at the time of raul's shot:p

yeah i see that but i thought he was in an offside position when Ronaldo headed the ball back towards the net though....i didnt think it mattered where the defender was when raul struck the ball but rather when Ronaldo played the ball.....but it was very close

I don’t know why Madrid supporters are so upset.

All I want is to have a thread where every week we can control the mistakes done by the ref with ALL the teams who are supposed to be able to win la Liga, not only with Madrid!!! Ok? NOT ONLY WITH MADRID!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take it as a challenge. If you are so sure that there’s no problem then accept this.

I don’t know what may happen until June. Maybe at the end Madrid should have 5 points more, or maybe not. Maybe at the end valencia has one point more than Madrid thanks to some ref mistake.

It’s a chance to you to make all barça supporters in this board shut our mouth at the end of season if Madrid deserves it’s title above Valencia and Depor. Take it like this and accept the challenge if you are so sure that you are not helped.

I started this thread this week, and according to this I think Madrid has 2 points more than it should. Next week it can change



Forget Barça,WE ARE WHERE WE ARE FOR OUR OWN MISTAKES. Barça is not competinig to win the league, so I’m not doing this for Barça. OK?

Originally posted by Crusad3r
I remember the TV program "El dia despues" did that some seasons ago. Real Madrid lost points cause the referees and Barcelona won it ! :P

This season Real Madrid is getting "helped" by the referees but im sure in the next matches referees will f*ck us, i have that feeling.


Exact, that's what i'm proposing. If you have this feeling and it's true then you'll be able to reflect it in this table where we can acumulate the mistakes and helps to ALL IMPORTANT TEAMS.

I think there's no reason to react as you (in general) have answered, as it will also be a chance to you to prove that you are not getting help.

Originally posted by BRAZIL'S_#9
check out the Murcia player in the box at the time of raul's shot:p

The Murcia player you pointed out is outside the field ,therefore cannot be considered in play.
But Raul wasn't in off-side because of the furthest player on the opposite side ,the one's who's facing Raul's back.He's in the same line as Raul.So ,there's no offside.


I dunno why the thread was made.RMD are helped.No one can deny.But Barca has a lot of problems as it is and I don't want to discuss some more about the Madrid scum.I've got Barca to worry about so I couldn't give a sh*t about Madrid.
Drop the thread ,let them be.They are 1st ,we are 12th.Let us bounce back ,swim out of the sh*t that we're in.Then ,if you are bored enough ,hammer Los Merengues as much as you please.

I am too tired of this.

Refs make mistakes every game, is a fact of the sport and nothing can be done about... refs dont get the benefit of replays in slow motion with zoom and from 30 different angles... all teams get pts and get taken pts because of referees..

If you prefer, let's just do it with Madrid, valencia and deportivo... and let's see if refs make the same number of mistakes for all of them.

Maybe it wil be like this, so madrid supporters will be able to tell barça supporters, or any other team, to shut our f*cking mouth. Or maybe not? let's follow how ref do every week with just this 3 teams(which are the only ones who can win the title) if you prefer and forget about Barça.

We always argue about history, and that's something that we can not review and check easily. let's argue about every week facts.
As crusad3r said it something like "el día despues" for those who remer it..

I think it's fair for all teams. Any supporter who is sure that ref don't help his team shouldn't have any problem doing this.

here is the pic when Ronaldo headed the ball. The player making Figo (guessing) made the play legal.

damn, never seen that......i guess it was a good goal........now i can sleep better lol

There must be 2 players back, and Bonano is more advanced than Raul :rolleyes:

Bonano is in line with Raul...

Ok what you want. Will we make the table or not? they are humans and they will help all teams, so there is no problem. Or is there fear? ;)

in any case this goal was not the point of the post.

the point was to made something to know if ref make mistakes for ALL teams who can win the Liga.

At the end of the season, if a team wins the championship with just 1 or 2 point difference, other team's suppoters will say "yes, but that day..." and we'll be again discusing about memories and we won't agree again.

It would be good for everyone and as I said if there's nothing to hide, there should be no problem doing this.

Originally posted by panxoman
in any case this goal was not the point of the post.

the point was to made something to know if ref make mistakes for ALL teams who can win the Liga.

No ,of course not.Most "mistakes" are in favour of Madrid.
That is obvious and I think there's no need in pursuing this because Real will easily be the team with most points won thanks to refs.They wouldn't even be seeded 1st in La Liga if it wasn't for the refs.

But it's not like this thread is going to change something.

Originally posted by zka
They wouldn't even be seeded 1st in La Liga if it wasn't for the refs.

umm.........yeah they would ;)

Originally posted by zka


But it's not like this thread is going to change something.


of course not, but at least there'll will be some place to have some evidence of that.

madrid supporters always use some kind of "refs make mistakes with everyone, same for everybody". ok, prove it!

Maybe they win the title because they deserve it, but maybe it will be with just a few points, which will come from reffs gifts. they have a great team, but valencia and depor too.

I'm sure we can prove that at the end of the season they will have more points that what they'll should.

I'm sure any Valencia or Deportivo supporter would accept this challenge.

WHY NO MADRID SUPPORTER ACCEPTS THIS CHALLENGE?

IF THEY ARE SURE THEY DOESN'T HAVE THE REFFS HELP THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM IN ACCEPTING THE CHALLENGE, ISN'T IT?

what challenge? whos gonna be keeping the errors? are you going to be able to watch all 90 mins of every game and make unbiased decisions... is impossible.. you are all so biased against Madrid... that you may see something as a foul or offsides for madrid.. but not for your own team..

I have never said I'm gonna be the judge.

If you read fro the start you'll see I've properly asked to any other team supporters to participate, and I'm specially insisting to madrid supporters to participate to do it, so we can have different opinions. Everybody can be the judge. I'm not pretending to create a deciding group.

And it's not necessary to watch the 90 minutes of everygame, since we all see the hightlights and we can discuss about them. If fact, we already do it anyway.

On the other hand I don't know why you said I'm biased? if it is because I said said Raul's goal was offside, you can look in the pictures that it is not so easy to see if it was legal or not. Now after looking the pictures I would agree he's in line, so it would be legal.

In any case, I had already said that madrid has 2-3 points more, so there I admited the possibility of a legal goal, considering that Helguera commited penalty and that's something already accepted by madrid supporters (ie: crusad3r) in the games thread. I was open to discuss anuthing.

That's how I think it should be , discussing but having a record about what's agreed.

Originally posted by henry#14
umm.........yeah they would ;)

No ,they wouldn't.

They have 2 points more than Valencia.In the Real-Depor match ,the ref ruled out a regular goal for Depor.The game should have ended 2-2 instead of 2-1 for Madrid.
Then Madrid would win 1 point from that match ,not all 3 and they would be tied with Valencia on points but Valencia would be first because they defeated Real 2-0 and that's why the goal dif. wouldn't count ,only the games between the two tied teams ,and that's where Valencia wins.

Theres your first one, Valencia wins from a pk that didnt exist.

Oh!! now this week the thread is good?
does it depends on who wins to critizise the idea?

in any case, you're right with valencia.

week 18: madrid +2 points
week 19 :valencia +2 points

no I still think is a stupid thread, also dont forget all the questinable pk's and red card in the mallorca-celta game..

This week tehre was nothing to comment in Valencia and Depor's games.

In Betis-Madrid, before minute 20, the ref didn't see 2 penalties in Madrid's box. Both were clear. So 1 point gift.

so far, after 3 weeks:

madrid: +3 points
valencia: +2 points
depor: +0 points

I think Sevilla has had too much disallowed goals! Really like 8 :o



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maybe. I think you had something during the first matches of the season.

But I'm only doing it for madrid, depor and valencia and only since 3 weeks ago. Those are the teams who can win the championship. It would be too difficult to do it for all teams.

This week I comment my opion from what I saw on Canal + in the analisis they make from the refs.

Oliveira received a fault in Osasuna's box, so it should have been a penalty for valencia. Final score was valencia 0- osasuna 1. So valencia should have 1 point more.

Depor lost at San Mames 1-0. It seems Tristan scored a legal goal. Depor also should have 1 point more this week.

In Madrid's game, Canal +(which is not an antimadrid) said there was a penalty in Madrid box. Figo commited penalty on Arruabarrena in a fault kick, but it's s one of those that can only be seen on tv, so I'm NOT going to count it.

Accumulate after 4 weeks:

real madrid +3 points
valencia +1 point
depor -1 point

Sorry to say that, but I find this whole thread as childish.
In every league, there are always teams who savour some kind of "protection", depending on their prestige and calibre. I'm not saying this is OK,but it happens everywhere,every time and not only in football.
Btw, do you know that only three penalties have been given against Man Utd in Old Trafford during the last ten years? I'm talking about league matches. Now,noone ever posted a thread about that, and they shouldn't anyway. Just imagine if that had happened for Madrid. Just wondering, huh?