I dunno, the more I play, the more poor it just all seems...

I wouldn't mind so much if my players actually played anything like professional when off the ball but it's just pitifull.. Pro Evo 1 is better than this -apart from the sticking bug in PES1 your players actually work for you.

I've just watched my players spin around wildly while the ball is right at their feet for the last time, no matter how much I try and look past the abysmal AI and at what the game *is* good at, it still frustrates me that all my goals are all ending up looking the same, and defence is pretty much laughable. The ball rolls *through* your players feet who are off the ball and they don't pick it up. why? Loose balls are ignored by your players.. Players allways start sprinting in the wrong direction as a ball is played to them, meaning they never get to the ball first. Recovery is far too slow. the list goes on and on.

And that progressive crappness of you players in master league is just the icing on the cake.. PES is not a simulation of football as I used to say to everyone, it's just as much an arcade game as fifa.

I'm really sad now :(

ok, don't play it then

?? which game are you playing man? I don't see any of that...sorry dude.

u are crazy ... this is by far tghe best soccer game of all time... i dont like only the kicks... the players do a terribnle kick, u fill just a litle of the power bar and the kicks go to the moon

That's all crap! I don't have any problems, my defense is OK (Vornander, Dulic... ...), every third match defense makes a little mistake, so what, it's normal!

You don't think he's playing FIFA by mistake do you?

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7
You don't think he's playing FIFA by mistake do you?


LOL!

Maybe this was supposed to be in the FIFA 2004 forums.

PES just isn't suitable for all ages :funny:

I have to agree with him on some points. Couple things I don't like are how the kicks go the moon with just a bit of power (already been said) and the players all run around like they are hyper and on LSD.

I have never seen anyone move so ... icy, it looks like they all have something shoved up their anal cavities. Mind you, FIFA 2004 everyone looks like they are hunch backs when they run... lol.

I just wished the player movement was more realistic. I like how the dribbling works, the passing and stuff... but again, the shooting, and the tackling is poor.

All in all, I think if you took FIFA 2k4 and PES3 and merged them you'd get the best game ever in terms of a footie simulation.

I play each seperatly for their own different goodnesses.

no way guys, I reckon the shoting system is spot on. How do you explain the great players in real soccer booting it over the goal? You gotta develop touch and know the player you're shooting with. You can't take off balance shots, you gotta take it easy on the shoot bar when you've got space to wallop it (half way will blast it over sometimes with good players) and press it harder when there's little room for the shot...I love the system (hated it at first)...

and the shooting, passing, heading animations (dezens of them) are nearly perfect. Look at the body positioning, the swing, the follow through, the dezens of different shots, the volleys, the half volleys etc. etc. I see no problems at all with this...

The only thing to take from FIFA is the licenses. Nothing else in the game (including the graphics) would improve PES3 at all.

The shooting doesent always go to the moon, learn how to shoot. Most of the time you only need to tap the button even from long range and shots depend on your facing, player's shot power, ball position and momentum, just like real life. I do wish you could more closely control the elevation of the shot tho, sometimes I want it low and rolling across the ground and sometimes high but you cant really control that, like fast rollers even from long range that Makaay does alot.

I think the passing system does need some work, many times it passes to the wrong person when you are tighly grouped and the players seem to pass the ball too lightly most of the time especially when you are trying to pla it back to your keeper from close range.

good second point keemo, that needs a little improving...the easiest passes sometimes go weak and fcuked up...this should happen, but less frequently.

Well, I pretty much agree with him. Anyway I had much more fun playing WE6 ((Jap versions, not International) or WE6FE than I had playing WE7.
I still like WE7, some of its new features are really good thats why I'm still playing it, but WE6FE is simply the best yet.
Anyway, some of you blast SkuzzBag like if u were Konami. Calm down, it's his opinion, grow up.

i really can't understand skuzzbag's comments, i think the AI is pretty damned solid, my players spin around at the wrong moments but i just play with the analog button on and it stops the player spinning, as for the defence well once you have setup your players properly there are no gaps in the defence, you know we get a pretty much perfect soccer game at last for the pc and some people still are not happy, lets face it with people like wolf and andy and kibble about who needs the licence, these guys deserve a lot of praise for what they have acheived on pes3, i actually played a game of fifa 2004 the other day, belive me my stomache started to turn while playing it, if people think that the players in pes3 lack certain skill and moved badly, just look at the players in fifa2004 and if you think their better than i suggest they play fifa instead.

Proevolution 3 really does rule the roost, and anyone who actually believes fifa2004 is better gameplay wise as got to be blind, my opinion!

I think the shooting is great on the game. I think it could be a bit more accurate at times. I've had some of the greatest players on the game taking a shot unpressered and it going off for a throw in.

Obviously the game doesnt appeal to everyone, some people prefer mindless football sims.

Originally posted by SkuzzbaG
I dunno, the more I play, the more poor it just all seems...

I wouldn't mind so much if my players actually played anything like professional when off the ball but it's just pitifull.. Pro Evo 1 is better than this -apart from the sticking bug in PES1 your players actually work for you.

I've just watched my players spin around wildly while the ball is right at their feet for the last time, no matter how much I try and look past the abysmal AI and at what the game *is* good at, it still frustrates me that all my goals are all ending up looking the same, and defence is pretty much laughable. The ball rolls *through* your players feet who are off the ball and they don't pick it up. why? Loose balls are ignored by your players.. Players allways start sprinting in the wrong direction as a ball is played to them, meaning they never get to the ball first. Recovery is far too slow. the list goes on and on.

And that progressive crappness of you players in master league is just the icing on the cake.. PES is not a simulation of football as I used to say to everyone, it's just as much an arcade game as fifa.

I'm really sad now :(

rightclick on your shortcut on desktop, then go to properties. here it must say C:\Program Files\Konami\Pro Evolution Soccer 3\pes3.exe ... i think you 've got C:\Crap\Fifa\fifa2004.exe........:crazyboy:

lol, give the guy a break not all of us love pes and SkuzzbaG problem looks like lack of pratice so you can do 2 things:

pratice more

or

uninstall it

Originally posted by runningtings
Obviously the game doesnt appeal to everyone, some people prefer mindless football sims.

there's only one football sim. if your calling football sims "mindless", your calling Winning Eleven/Pro Evolution Soccer mindess.

Some of you really are incredibly closed minded.

I love PES3. I couldn't bear to play another game or lose PES. Yet I can still see that there are undoubtably flaws in the game.

Give the guy a break. The game's weaknesses aren't nearly enough to put me off playing, but clearly for some people they are.

no game can be prefect, but PES3 is more close to it than Fifa..
I wish I could play and compete online like in Fifa2003..

Originally posted by SkuzzbaG
I dunno, the more I play, the more poor it just all seems...


i know the feeling and it is true that the more you play it, the more you sees the flaws and some of them really do spoil the game

but do you not also agree that the more you play it, the more you see the beautiful, subtle details?

i limit myself to playing the game once a week and find that it keeps it's appeal that way

hahah culo :) you need some mates who play BADLY man :)

Multiplayer games here and there make this game last donkeys years...

Originally posted by CKA_Imparfait
...
All in all, I think if you took FIFA 2k4 and PES3 and merged them you'd get the best game ever in terms of a footie simulation.


NO, NO, NO!
NO any fcuked agreements with ea.
Actually, I may say much stonger in russian language (!) about ea

Originally posted by theCRO
hahah culo :) you need some mates who play BADLY man :)


that's the problem, the few that actually play games only want to play first person shoot-em-ups :sleep: - they play WE7 very badly ;)

Originally posted by culo
that's the problem, the few that actually play games only want to play first person shoot-em-ups :sleep: - they play WE7 very badly ;)

bro, I'm giving you a call when I'm in the UK :)

(the game is terrible if your opponent can't play, it's too easy and no fun)

Pes(3) is thee footballing sim , but! there is room for improvement. Pes(3) wins hands down no other football game can touch it, but that's not to say that it has flaws. Offball! The amout of times Ive been breaking foward in MF only for my forwards not to move ( make runs ) or if they do it's straight in front of you ( and your left screaming at the screen for them to break left or right so you can pss to them). And to those who say I have not got the game set up correctly .. I have "all out attack" players set to high reaction for loose balls and individual settings ( the little arrows ) highlighted to make runs forward and left for right for wingers, yet even with all that , you still don't get players making runs. I love this game but that does not blind me to the fact that there are flaws in the game.

Ps although not part of this, please please Konami in PES4 take out auto-defending or an option to switch it off.

auto defending? how could the game work without it?

Sorry if I confused! Of course AI has to defend , I am talking about those "Auto" Clearances ball drop to your defender in the box your in the clear and want to bring the ball under control but before you can "highlight" him , he headers or boots the ball ( a lot of times just outside the box ) and gives the ball away. I am not talking about AI defending in general but those times when crosses come into the box, a player "not" under your control clears or attemps to clear the ball, a lot of times ending up with the ball falling 25-30yrds from goal and being picked up by the other side.

Originally posted by Awax
Well, I pretty much agree with him. Anyway I had much more fun playing WE6 ((Jap versions, not International) or WE6FE than I had playing WE7.
I still like WE7, some of its new features are really good thats why I'm still playing it, but WE6FE is simply the best yet.
Anyway, some of you blast SkuzzBag like if u were Konami. Calm down, it's his opinion, grow up.

Sorry man, i disagree, We7 is by far better... there are a few bugs and issues that need to worked on in the passing system. But the game has improved from WE6 FE to WE7.

Originally posted by MightyTic
Sorry if I confused! Of course AI has to defend , I am talking about those "Auto" Clearances ball drop to your defender in the box your in the clear and want to bring the ball under control but before you can "highlight" him , he headers or boots the ball ( a lot of times just outside the box ) and gives the ball away. I am not talking about AI defending in general but those times when crosses come into the box, a player "not" under your control clears or attemps to clear the ball, a lot of times ending up with the ball falling 25-30yrds from goal and being picked up by the other side.

oh....I don't get this a lot, but it used to frustrate the hell out of me. That is untill I started noticing this in real soccer, hardly any scrambled clearences make it over half way, and 90% of them are picked up by the attacking team whose defenders are around the half way mark....

So I think it's pretty realistic, also, when the ball is in the air and you're gonna get it with one player cleanly, quickly tap L1 and change into him, then don't touch anything as he brings it under control...if you go spastic on the buttons every one that a chance will try and boot/head it away..

yo to the guy who wrote the post...
if you are complaining, you either dont play enough, or you just plain and simply suck because if you were good, none of those things would be hapenning, you would switch your players qucker so ball doesnt roll past their legs, the game was made for you to do the work, not the AI

Whoever searches on internet a forum where the discussion is about a game, must love that game, so i don't think the loyalty of the guy who made the post shoud be discussed:p

We all love pes by its nature but we are all different people.

I agree with the one who said that pes2 is better and still can't stop playing pes3.

There are some things that drives me crazy like:

If cpu has to score it scores no matter what u do

cpu players have automaticaly their stats boosted when they are supposed to do something otherwise they couldn't be able to do.
This is the reason why sometimes u see cpu players with stats like the ones we all have irl, make some moves that would make Maradona shout : "INCREDIBLE!!!"

The ball sometimes when it's in the air, if the cpu HAS to achieve something, is moved imperceptible along the x/y/z axis to favor cpu players...

The cpu players can push, punch, kick, offbalance etc etc you at their please, in other words they have the license to do as many fouls as they like without making the referee whistle at all.

Sometimes cpu players become untangible to let them overtake you and get the ball possession.

The list up her could continue but the concept is evident:
unlike pes2, pes3 CHEATS for balancing something it lacks, which could be AI...

Playing master league at level 4 is like playing Fiji Islands again Beloved Brazil at every match, on top of that if yuo buy a 1000 credits player (only 1 buy) you must win every match to finish the season in positive.

Sometimes i really would like to have the programmers in front of me...

What is strange is that in the end i LOVE this game and hardly can stop playing...

It's unfair, it plays a dirty game, it cheats but i love it.

There's nothing wrong about talking deficencies of something we all adore:)

GG to averybody, Badtzmaru.

Originally posted by Badtzmaru
...If cpu has to score it scores no matter what u do...


ok, cpu plays more precise and fast in the last minutes (better than usual) if its down by 1 goal, but if you have good defenders and a good defending skill then there is no problem! when this is the case change your formation to something like 5-3-2 and zonepress priority A and you will see, that cpu has no chance to score..(if you are good in defending).. it only plays better and that is realistic IMO ...

Originally posted by wheed007
yo to the guy who wrote the post...
if you are complaining, you either dont play enough, or you just plain and simply suck because if you were good, none of those things would be hapenning, you would switch your players qucker so ball doesnt roll past their legs, the game was made for you to do the work, not the AI

i cannot tell you how tired i am of crap posts like this one right here. *every* time someone complains about elements of this game (with more or less valid arguments) some moron comes out of the bushes telling us that the critic must surely suck in the game due to inexperience, that it's all his fault, that he only need to practice more, yadda, yadda...

well, moron, many people who find certain aspects in this game questionable have played it (and its predecessors) for years and have a certain experience with this series. they are not beginners. and neither are they pathetic losers who applaud everything with "Konami" written on it, even if it were a heap of smelly poo...

sorry for my harsh words, but i've really had it with crap like this.

Originally posted by simakperrce
i cannot tell you how tired i am of crap posts like this one right here. *every* time someone complains about elements of this game (with more or less valid arguments) some moron comes out of the bushes telling us that the critic must surely suck in the game due to inexperience, that it's all his fault, that he only need to practice more, yadda, yadda...

well, moron, many people who find certain aspects in this game questionable have played it (and its predecessors) for years and have a certain experience with this series. they are not beginners. and neither are they pathetic losers who applaud everything with "Konami" written on it, even if it were a heap of smelly poo...

sorry for my harsh words, but i've really had it with crap like this.

Completely agree. I've played an unhealthy amount of this game since playing the first PES on the PS2, and although I love this game, it doesn't mean I'm too blinkered to see any of its limitations, including the 'cheating' AI.

agree ....


I had just played 25th game of my League ( not Master League ) and had W12 D12 L1 now I kid you not! in most of these 12 draws the CPU cheated last mis goals from team who had hardly a shot all game. Just now finished my 26th game v Spurs no problem keeping them out ( easy ) winning 1-0 89.50 my denfender suddenly trip over there own feet and can't pass a ball 5yrds ( clear line of sight to team-mate ) I hit pass outside the 18yrd box and the ball roll about 2yrds in comes a attacker and gets in the box passes it across the face of the 6yrd box ( great no other attacker there ) my defender all alone at the back post will take it under control and I will move up and clear! No you don't (CPU) I'll have him auto-clear it for a corner.. Yes Goal Spurs 1-1 .. I kick off 89.55 .. 3 passes later 2 in MF 1 out wide I take my winger to the byeline to cross , defender just brushes mw aside and moves into his own box a couple of yards off the byeline and hits a passback to his keeper the keeper lets the ball run across the front of him and I bring in my 2 forwards the nearest gets across him and blocks his attempted clearance it drops near the pen/spot to my other forward ( ooh 2-1 ) just as I am about to hit it as it drops. the Ref blows and the commentator says "handball" the block hit me mid-body ( not for the first time when I could score from a blocked ball has the ref given a handball or should I say CPU!

Great game I love it , best by far I have played and I played the old "tape" version of EH's International Football (ps I was not a little boy when doing so! ) The game as flaws, every game does just because we highlight them does not mean we hate or dislike the game. I just want to see th series improve year by year. The AI for the non-cpu team need uping ( for want of a better word Im not a techie) the offball run that are there are not good enough. I have had MFer's take the ball for a run through the middle and my forward either just stand until I run by them or they run just a yard or two in front of you "not" peeling off if you hit a pass as you get closed down , more than not it will hit there heels.. High have set nearly all my players "not just the very good ones" to high reaction but even then on the whole they don't seem to react to loose balls sometimes even a few feet away. I have played all (nearly all ) football games for the PC and consoles and this is the best , but one thing I like about FIFA was the ability to hit a button and make players go off on runs ( not the latest "freestyle" where you can pick from 3 to pass to ) but the older "player run button" you could be moving up the right or left of midfield and as a defender came to close you down press this button and a full-back or wing-back would take off on a run outside of you and as you were closed down slip a ball to him. I would like to see that in the next version of PES and the moment off the ball runs by players is hit a miss. I you had it, it would cut out the "free player just standing until you got level with him or passed him ) ....

find some mates, play multiplayer, everyone's bound to see flaws in the AI when you play single player all the time...

One thing I don't understand is when people complain that they dominate games and still lose. Did anybody see Wolves v Man Utd today where Wolves won 1-0? It happens frequently in real life where teams will dominate games but just cannot get a lucky break and if you were watching a computer replay of the game you'd say it was cheating A.I.! The more I play PES3 the more I see real life situations and frustrations come into play. How many of us have watched a soccer game convinced that the ref is biased? Happens in PES3 at times. I think there are A.I. faults here and there but a lot of stuff that looks like faults is just a reflection of real life. I love the fact you can play the same team twice in a row with the same team yourself and win one game confortably but lose the second game. I love the fact just because you play as Man Utd or Real Madrid that you can end up losing to West Ham. Frustration in sport is real and the fact people get frustrated playing PES3 makes it all the more real.

It's not like the frustration with FIFA 2004 where people are frustrated because they can score 4 out of 5 shots from 40 yards out which isn't realistic. I've seen Henry miss from 4 yards out in real life and I've seen complete donkeys score classic goals, the same thing happens in PES3.

Originally posted by jumbo
there's only one football sim. if your calling football sims "mindless", your calling Winning Eleven/Pro Evolution Soccer mindess.

jumbo,
I think your grasp of English has let you down there, I wasnt calling all sims mindless.
Try to read a post properly next time.

I was simply saying that some people prefert to mindless games, ie games where you dont need to think.

The AI scoring almost immediately can be countered. You guys really need to concentrate more. Yes, the AI cheats to get into some of those positions. But, it really can be avoided if you juz change u're strat a lil. You can even do it on the fly with the L1 - ? buttons.. Just config it and you'll play just fine. Try it. Also, change players to make sure AI doesn't make them go Out Of Position