To the 'warez' guys who downloaded the pirate version;

You guys are ruining any credibility this board has.

Maybe now EA are justified in catering to the masses with an 'arcade'-type soccer/pinball game - it sells well and it's widely touted, and the only people who disagree are the people on this board - the hardcore soccer gamers - and if we start STEALING games (and that's what software piracy is) then why should EA even care?

Why should EA care about making a realistic soccer game when half of the people who want a realistic game won't even buy the game anyway?

To put it another way, there are two corners here, there's the 'corporate fanboy'/'don't know much about soooocccceeerrrrr' fans who love the pinball gameplay, idiot refs, crap stats, missing leagues etc, and then there's us, who want a game like ISS, but on the PC. Now imagine you're EA, who will you listen to? The guys who want a good game (of whom a small percentage will steal the game)? Or will you just keep pinball the same way it is, make a few minor changes, and make the vast PAYING majority happy?

I know it's doubtful that EA even care about what we think, but that's not the point here, the point is one of principle - if you want a good soccer game, and you petition for one as some have here, and we've all gone over what needs to be changed and what we'd like - then the least we can do is BUY the game or try the demo!!!

I know this doesn't apply to everyone, and I'm sure that many people who dl the warez version haven't looked at it this way - but please stop. All this talk about Warez got me thinking about ISS coming out for the PC -who would buy it then? (Hypothetical here) I mean most PC owners who'd want a soccer game will buy Fifa, and half of the members of this board (ok maybe exaggerating) would steal the new ISS game and that would leave Konami with pretty poor sales numbers and no justification/motivation to release it again.

Warez is wrong, warez is stealing, there's no difference between dl a warez version of a game and walking into a store grabbing a game a running for the exit.
Our gaming dollars (or pounds, or whatever currency you use) are the number one way we can make an impact - when ISS 'Whatever' comes out for the PSX in North America it might come out as MLS 2000 and/or ISS Pro Revolution, if both come out, and they're both good games - I'm buying both, because one I want to support a company that makes a good football game, and two if the game(s) do well enough in North America then its most likely they'll release the PS2 version in North America too. That's just one example. Now some people might laugh and say, "Oh, it's just me, I'm just one person, enough people will buy the game, I'm not hurting anyone" - well you may think that's fine, but you're not the only one thinking that way, there are thousands thinking the same way.
I guess the other argument, which is one I heard on the Fifa99 boards last year after the dissapointment of Fifs2000 was that some people were distributing the warez version of Fifa2000 to 'hurt' EA - why? I hate Fifa 2000 so much, it has to be one of the worst games I've ever played, but rather than pirating the new Fifa game I'm just waiting for a demo, if I don't like the demo I don't buy it (which is what I should have done with Fifa2000) - and if they don't release a demo I don't buy it either, case in point, MS International Soccer 2000 - no demo, I'm not buying (although I may soon because the game is so cheap - it's $20 now, and the same can't be said of the Fifa series). If you want to 'hurt' EA, let them do it to themselves, they've already shot themselves in the foot two years in a row, and my opinion of them has gone down the toilet.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

OK OK! You can wake up now! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by Neutral (edited 05-02-2000).]

Wake up man. Warez copy is not going to give you the whole package as the retail does but at least you get to see what the game is going to be like. There are no commentary and no music. Of course you can get these if they are released. But the whole point about warez ruining the gaming industry is never going to happen. Half of the people who own fifa on this forum either get it illegally or got a copy from one of their mates. Wake up to reality. You either have to be rich or work your arse off to get a new fifa game every year with little improvement. As a matter of fact, the last two years the fifa series have gone backward with it's arcade style of play. I hope everyone play Euro2000 warez. That's the only way to hurt EA.

Yeah hurt EASports, like they hurt us!!!

DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?!?! You're not hurting EA as much as you are hurting yourselves - let me spell it out for you AGAIN:

Fifa2000 sold by the truckload, it got great reviews almost everywhere, but WE know it wasn't anything like REAL football - read this:
http://www.dailyradar.com/reviews/game_review_672.html

It's a review of Striker Pro 2000 - the game itself isn't important, what's imporant is what Dan Egger says;
"This brings us to our review of Striker Pro 2000. We'd like to review it without mentioning EA's FIFA 2000 masterpiece, but it just wouldn't be right. When another sports title is on the market that has better graphics, better gameplay, more depth and higher quality production values"

HE AND EVERY OTHER CORPORATE FANBOY WHO'S NEVER SEEN A FOOTBALL MATCH IN THEIR LIVES LOVE EA SPORTS AND FIFA 2000 - and so do most gamers who don't know that much about football - so what do EA think when they read these reviews and look at their sales figures? - they think they can churn out the same crap year after year.

WHO ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT DISAGREE? US, THE MINORITY OF HARDCORE FOOTBALL FANS - but here's the crux of my argument;
WHY THE F**K SHOULD EA EVEN BOTHER TO LISTEN TO OUR SUGGESTIONS WHEN WE WON'T EVEN BUY THE GAME?!?? Why should they spend their time and money making it better when the only people who will appreciate it WON'T BUY IT!

So really all we're doing is HURTING OURSELVES - because NO ONE WILL LISTEN TO A BUNCH OF PIRATING PUNKS!! And the result - we'll be stuck playing 'pinball' football games for the rest of our lives.

Why do u want to 'hurt' EA? IMO playing Fifa 2000 is more boring than watching paint dry, I write all my criticism of EA because I WANT THEM TO MAKE A BETTER GAME! Not because I have some personal grudge against their corporation, but now all our comments and improvement suggestions have goning to **** because this pirating is destroying our credibility.

V-9: "Half of the people who own fifa on this forum either get it illegally or got a copy from one of their mates."

If EA or any other game companies read this statement I will be playing RTWC 98 for the rest of my life.

Yeah, I'm downloading the 'demo' right now. Then I think I'll take it for a test drive.

With EAC's track record I'll also start making patches right away.

V-9 you said:

"You either have to be rich or work your arse off to get a new fifa game every year with little improvement."

Do you live in Cuba, Afghanistan, Bialorussia, or anything like that? If so ok I admit putting down 40 american dollars can be a big expense, but in the rest of the world?! And this applies to you even if you're 12 and don't get allowance.

Here's the reality, some people make 6 figure salaries and still steal games, the first commandment of some gamers is "Thou Shall Not Pay." They get 2 or 3 games per week, use their cd emulator or burner and there they go, I know people like this.

Personally I'm against piracy and buy all my games, but then again I only buy maybe 5 or 6 games per year. Now what about the addict who has to play every single game in his favorite genre that comes out? It's not the right thing to do but I understand why people do it.

Also lets put some of the responsibility on the game companies, if they were so worried about it why don't they involve the FBI and other authorities, investigate these sites, and have the people arrested?

Paul where are you downloading it from?

Let's face the fact. EA does not deserve our money for arcade pinball. They make little improvements (was this the case with fifa99 and 2000) every year so that they can keep the series alive. They might as well make a real pinball game and called it fifa2001 and there will be s****** lining up to buy it. That's why I say everyone play the warez version. Why spent money on something that they obviously screw up the first time and try to fix that by making you buy another one of their product. Until they listen to our wishes, we can't continue to support them when other companies out there who listen to their customers and actually do make changes according to their wishes. EA is not the almighty game company that can only produce footy game people. Currently, I'll take Konami footies over Ea's any day.
And about the warez/piracy issue: How many people on this forum actually own all the games or softwares they use? My point is that piracy exist in all forms and shapes and we all do it. How many people own mp3? But that is another topic. I just want fifa gamers to realize how much of a grip Ea's has around you. Don't give in to their empty lies about how we can change the pit size because we develop it for both the Playstation and the PC. They could do all that we've requested but why would they? If they did, then what will they think of something revolutionary to make us buy their products every year.

Just answering to my friend Neutral:

You are absolutely right about the warez business, but let me ask you something else. How long has it been that FIFAs have been dissapointing you? Is it something that 's happened once or twice or is it regular practice?
The last decent FIFA game I can recall of is FIFA96 (!!!!), and when I say decent I do not mean as a whole, but as a game that you play it and it isn't f****** annoying in every little aspect you 'd expect it to be FUN - and most of all a simulation!!!
I had the chance to get a copy of ISS Pro Evolution for one sixth of the price but I didn't do it, because I know Konami will produce a football game every 1.5 or 2 years, and it will be a game they 've worked on. On the other hand I did download Euro2000 out of sheer curiosity just to confirm myself that the game is the same crap as JUST 6 MONTHS AGO. What could possibly change within 6 MONTHS worth 30 more pounds?
Personally I just took a glance at the gameplay and off it went to the recycle bin. That doesn't render me innocent but try to find a demo somewhere. You won't because it's the same f****** game they sold in X-Mas and they do not want people to know that.
Video games are not chocolate bars. You cannot unwrap it, take a bite and if you don't like it throw it away. You re stuck with it and your money is stuck with EA and every other company that is not living up to your standards.
Specifically EA are inexcusable, because they are a leading software house. The technology they 've got their hands on is capable of producing the definitive game of WHATEVER, not just football. All they need is the right guidance and they do not bother to get it. And believe my my friend, warez is not the reason.
The reason is far more serious. It is what you mentioned on the idiots that magazines assign to review and rate the games. There are guys that don't know what the shape of a football is and they rate football games.
As far as I am concerned I prefer to see Wonaldo and Oren play FOOTBALL, than see Ronaldo and Owen play pinball, and I opt for ISS Pro. I know many people who would rather wait and get a quality title rather than getting **** every 6 months.
Every six months I will be taking a tour to the warez sites for a good laugh. I do pay for games that I know they are decent EFFORTS.
Greetings,
Immortal

You are absolutely right Immortal. I see no demo. How am I supposed to know what I'm buying. I don't get that, isn't the demo supposed to come before or in the worst senario at the date the product is released.

Take id Software for instance, they release many demos, even predemos. Then they do about half a dozen updates, oh oh, and they also give SUPPORT.

Immortal,
yes I agree with you completely (check most of my previous posts in other threads), the Fifa series has been really cr@p (and I'm being kind here) the past two years, and I also agree that the ISS series is much better - I only have ISS Pro 98 because the newest version isn't out in North America but both that and RTWC 98 are the only football games I play - I was just reacting to the fact that Warez is(are?) being discussed openly here, and how it just kind of invalidates all of the improvements we've wanted for the Fifa series......To be perfectly honest, I don't care about EA or Fifa, I'm just worried that when the new ISS game comes out in North America it won't sell a lot of copies because people will pirate it - and since most corporate reviewer fanboys don't like ISS (they like 'pinball soccer' instead) Konami might not release any future versions here.

Sorry if I pissed off anyone - warez is your decision.

You didn't piss anyone off, Neutral. I don't think much of the warez thing myself. In fact, I cannot believe that software companies of all kind just stand there and do nothing about it. So my mind goes to other explanations too. Like maybe EA know that they sell good so what's the difference anyway..
My anger only stems from the expectations raised by the early versions of these series. I kept getting copies which were fractionally better than their predecessors, and in areas not vital either. And then one day a game came along (ISS), and I got the answer to the question "Is it that difficult to make a game to resemble the real one?How do they do it with racing games?". And then, I got VEEEEEEERY angry with them. Thus, my tone.
Greetings
immortal

PS.ISS Pro Evo is by far the game to have if you are a genuine fan of football. I don't have a contract with Konami or anything but their football games are beyond reach. Be patient and you will know what I mean.

Being that FIFA 2000 is so bad, does anyone know where I can acquire a copy of FIFA 98 RTWC.......help!!!

hey usffutbol, does your usf stand for university of south florida?

I agree with the above points made, especially the one about bad revievers always giving EA games(or for that matter any game released by a major company!) the highest marks.

I trust only one magazine to give me the true low-down and that is Computer Games Magazine, the reason is they don't rush their writers so that the review comes out before the game is even out(meaning they hardly had time to play the game!). The only drawback is you read the review about a month after the game is released but that is small price to pay for all the money you saved by not buying crappy games.

Also I would suggest you try www.chipsbits.com for the old games, though I noticed WC98 and RTWC98 are no longer in their catalogue, they have toll free number also: 800-699-4263

It's obvious they don't care what the hardcore football fans want, so the simple question is..why pay for crap?

Neutral: that is stupid. By that rational there would be no great games out there. But there are load, just no FIFA title.

if EA SPORT don't care about us,they just want the money,maybe if we find a way of playing their stupid games without paying them that'll make them try harder to make better games,i believe if u produce a good game,ppl will buy it even if it's available on warez..

Polish i disagree with what you are saying...

im 16 yrs old, dont have a job so where the hell am i meant to get $90 (australian) for game titles.......

now im not saying that piracy is right but for lots of ppl its the only option

and before you wrote back and say about piracy is making game prices go up....piracy will be here forever
there is always ways around games that are copy protected and piracy will continue

also am i the only one here who hires their games?????? thats how i saw that fifa 200 was rubbish

Yeah man, wake up ! Until EA SPORTS will release games who looks like FIFA 2000 and EURO 2000, THANK GOD we have warez ! Because if i have to buy EURO 2000 in the store, and see what the game looks like, I would be very pissed off, because i would think, that somebody robbed me blind ! The game SUXX !
READ MY TOPIC, about EA serving us warmed up soup !

The real test will be when ISS gets reviewed in the U.S. It'll be interesting to see what my conuntrymen think of ISS. Also, it is painfully obvious that many reviewers of soccer games here do not know wing-back from a chicken wing. Hopefully psx.ign, videogames.com, and other U.S. will get someone who knows something to review ISS.

Kewell : In USA, hiring or renting of computer games is not an option, I don't know of any place that does that. You can rent Playstation and other console games at Blockbuster, but that's it.

Also just out of curiosity, how many games would you say you play in a year, more than 12? The more people are into games the more they seem to be into piracy, since it can get pretty expensive true enough if you bought a new game every 2 weeks. But if you play 3 or 4 games a year then I don't see a big deal about paying that price.

BTW I read a review of the Microsoft Int'l Soccer 2000 this month in Computer Games, and they said for the price(20 us dollars) you can't go wrong. Although it has drawbacks like no way to track player stats , fake player names, no ability to edit player stats(you can edit names though(Bergkamp is Woudkamp!)and np mulitplayer, in playability and ball physics, and stadium graphics it tops FIFA 2000.

Euro 2000 is much better than fifa 2000! You see what the problem is, is that all of the bitches who have been complaining for soooo long have now got to continue to complain, otherwise they may lose that immature, bad ass, big man attitude they so longingly need and want. You sound like old women at a bus stop!!! Whine, whine and more whine. I agree with downloading the warez for demo purposes, I you like the game buy it if not don't and If you dont stay away from this forum.... simple! If you use this forum make constructive critisism, I am sick and tired of hearing the player numbers, the faces, the pitch size, go and get your vitual ruler and measure konamis' pitch! This forum should be called soccer gamings EA bashing forum. Do you know what the sad thing is? when konami or infogrames brings out a game there will be a site like this one bashing them to bits, tall poppy syndrome. "Forgive they know not what they do"!

kramer81usf-nope! sorry, the US is for U.S., and Futbol, well Futbol. Actually, I've never been to Florida, and I go to college in Minnesota....brrr!

It's such a hypocrisy with the FIFA series.I own NHL99 and NHL2000-in both those, they are SO DIFFERENT. There are huge improvements in those two. It makes me so mad that EA improves those so much and doesn't give two s**** about the FIFA series. By the way, the NHL series is EXTREMELY FAST...even fast for Hockey....even they couldn't make that realistic. EA.....2 years ago with FIFA 98 and WC 98:awesome.......EA present....what a joke.

Dear friend Eleftherios
Our whining is strictly critical.. You can check back with past posts. Most people who really care about the game quality are not preoccupied with altering faces or anything like that. If Euro2000 satisfies you it is probably because you are looking for something different in a football video game. The rest of the people here are concerned with proper gameplay. And the FIFAlike gameplay is not proper by any means. Meaning, that it does not resemble the real thing.Comparison with other available games is conclusive about that. Maybe to you it 's fun, that is perfectly alright but you cannot take away one's right to criticise on a different level. If i am not blatantly mistaken nobody defended warez as it is. It is only mentioned in relation to the consecutive failure of EA to produce a FIFA sequel worth paying for. So don't grin.

Come to think of it I have to admit that in England there is the option of renting the game so that is a probable solution against buying stuff you might not like. Yet, that is not an excuse not to publish a demo, right?

I have a question for users from the US (Neutral, maybe you can answer me). Do you have any idea when Playstation 2 is coming out there (or is it already out)??Because if it is coming this summer maybe ISS Evolution won't come out at all for the PSX.Maybe it 'll come one off for the PSX2.
Greetings
immortal

I rent a game, I cd-burn the game, I rent a game, I cd-burn the game

Have I ever bought a Playstation or computer game?, maybe once or twice in my life.

Can't wait untill the video store has Euro 2000 for rent, and when one of my mates has got the PC version, rent/borrow the game, burn the game.

I can live the rest of my life with crappy soccer games, as long as I', hurting those bastards at EA, everyone should see it that way.

Immortal,
PS2 won't be coming out until the fall, but Konami announced their Playstation line-up for E3 (the entertainment expo that starts next week in Los Angeles) and one of the games they have announced is called;
ESPN MLS GAME NIGHT
I'm pretty sure this is the new ISS game, but with the MLS teams.

Daniel,
Don't you ever feel guilty for not buying any games? I consider myself a hardcore gamer, I buy at least 10-15 games a year, for my PC and PSX, and I still have to pay off my student loan, my car insurance, my rent and other expenses (not to mention I'm saving up for a home entertainment rig and a PS2) - I'm a huge RPG fan and this summer I'm going to be buying a lot of games; I already got Front Mission 3 (awesome), but I can't wait for the new Legend of Mana game, Vagrant Story and Chrono Cross. I dunno, I think the internet, and CD Burners have just made piracy too easy - when I was a kid I used to deliver papers, save up and buy Spectrum games that were on sale, heck even when I got my Atari ST I had to wallow through the bargin bin and get the 7.99 (pounds that is) games from the 'Hit Squad' series.
But like I said before I don't want to preach too much, warez is ultimately your decision, and I have no love for EA after the crap they've been releasing recently.

As to PS 2 in USA first I heard it was gonna be out by 8/00, but now because of some technical problems it will be out in the fall/Christmas season(Im hoping by November!), but I don't have really good info for you on this.

FIFA 2001, I saw it advertised in a games catalogue as being available in 7/00, could that possibly be true?! In July! Jeez if it's out by July I don't expect major improvements to be happening, maybe they are pushing it up in anticipation of PS2, dunno...

Neutral: Im a pretty big RPG fan myself but for the life of me I never heard of the games you mentioned! But I must admit Im a bit behind the cycle(last RPG I played was Baldur's Gate and Fallout), Im just getting Fallout2 this week...haha. Oh yeah, the only game I'm really waiting for is Baldur's Gate 2.

I promised myself I was not going to say anything but after reading Daniel's comments I feel obliged. I am no saint, especially when it comes to MP3's but listen to a hypocrite you might learn something.

Daniel,

You are an idiot and it is people like you that are ruining games for all of us. Exactly how do you think a game is made, because s****** like us pay for them stupid. You are riding on the back of our hard earned money. You are a parasite and you will remain a parasite for the rest of your miserable life.

Game company sells games = more money for game company = more games = better games as more companies go into competition to create more games.

Now along comes Daniel, doesn't buy the game = games does not sell = no more game. How many goood games would get lost if we didn't purchase them. You idiot, you live off what others do. You borrow from your friends and burn a cd, they should burn you. Yeah need an extra copy for work or one to keep with your laptop I understand but the minute you burn a Cd for someone you are stealing.

I understand not everybody has the money, hey i'd love a Viper doesn't mean I must steal one. Whats the big deal? The game manufacturers pass the costs onto the consumers, meaning the games cost more, STUPID! Its happening in music and it is happening in movies. Piracy costs us more money. Yes its great to screw the "System' but all your screwing in the end is you.

Sorry guys but Daniel you are a class one fool and I can only imagine that your a 12 year old who is still waiting for that hair to grow in a strange place and if you are an "adult",lord help us. I guess if there must be hackers out there and people who create virises I guess there has to be people out there like you.

I don't give a crap about if Euro 2000 is better than Fifa 2000, there is a bigger issue here, warez caters to those of us who want what we can't have and I understand that principle but the minute we replace purchasing games with warez we are destroying the gaming industry.

Sure you get a chance to preview a game, I have no problem with warez, but the minute you decide you just want the warez version you are an idiot and a thief.

You like it go and buy it.
You hate it no big deal don't buy it.
But don't keep it and play it and give it to all your friends and keep on playing it, you are a thief.
You like it.BUY IT.

A year ago I couldn't get hold of the new CM99 I found it on warez. I loved it, I
bought it online from a UK company that shipped it to me(in a week)that is what warez is for guys.

MP3 the same thing, I am not buying Buck Cherry's cd for one track(Lit'cocaine song').Now the record producers should have singles available, they don't. Hey if I can download it I will. Have I stolen it? Yes/No I downloaded something that is not on the market and I cannot get elsewhere. The record companies need to make single tracks available on line to purchase.I guarantee it would be the biggest site on the net. Guess theres a bit of Daniel in me.

Sorry about all this, sensitive subject. Just remember your reading from the guy who bought Iron Maiden's Seventh Son on Album, CD and tape. Sucker, maybe, but i love Iron Maiden and I would never rip them off. Yes thats who were ripping off not the company, sorry Buck Cherry. God bless Napster.
Peace.

Steve

No way man!
Their last GOOD album was Somewhere in Time.
7th son was decent, but it already was somewhat lame - those damn synths - CAN I PLAY WITH MADNESS - BRRGGHH; INFINITE DREAMS - WHAARRRGHH

Talking about metal: best album ever - Master of Puppets OR Among the living?
Great groups: MINISTRY (!), early Sepultura, Maiden, Megadeth, Metallica, early Slayer, Sabbath, early Type O Negative, S.O.D., Sadus and ANTHRAX!

Dear sglean, Don't waste your hard earned money on a Viper.The Voodoo 3 3000 I bought to replace this crap completely wiped the floor with it.

Tnank you Polish Power and King Casey.

I was talking about the Viper sports car.

Zambrotta,

Great bands but you forgot Machine Head and Pantera.

I know like me you love the old stuff but there are some new bands worth a mention.

Korn, yes Korn. Staind, Limp Bizkit, Incubus,Godsmack,Creed,Papa Roach.

By the way I saw satriani at the house of blues in Orlando yesterday. That man is the greatest ever.

Back to football games it looks like Euro 20o0 is only going to be available in Europe. so time to go on the internet and see who I can purchase it from. now this is a game I would buy on the playstation. I think EA are making a big mistake here.

I bought striker pro on the playstation, it not great and its just the microsoft game on PS but I love playing it.

Anybody think England can win?

Steve

sglean: I just wanted to say God Bless You man you said what needed to be said, and I agree completely. I was gonna say something about the Daniel's attitude but decided it wasn't worth the effort because he does sound like a 12 year old kid.

And oh yeah, 7 Son by Iron Maiden, their last good album...

Zambrotta, I agree that 7th Son was "somewhat lame" but still 2 times better than what came after. Personally Number of the Beast/Powerslave were my two favorites of theirs, but those first one s not bad either!

Greatest heavy metal album boy that is hard, there are so many! I would have to single out Slayer's Reign in Blood also, Metallica of course, Black Sabbath, anyone remember Manowar?(not the horse!) how about Danzig first album? oh yeah Ministry Psalm 69, well I could go on, but don't want to bore you.

Oh yeah, I want a Porsche 911 Turbo, or a Corvette 2000 or Ferrari Testarosa...

The greatest HM album? Probably Maiden's Powerslave or Metallica's black album or Queensryche's Mindcrime there in the top 10 for sure.

Alice in chain's Dirt is a classic.

Pantera's Vulgar display of Power

Megadeth's (well take any Megadeth album) except Risk which is awful.

Don't forget Van Halen's first. But if I had a gun to my head the greatest HM album of all time is Iron Maiden's killers, why?

Because without it there would be no Metallica or Megadeth, Slayer or Sepultura. that album revolutionised Heavy Metal.

Before anybody gets upset or wants to argue listen to the album and remember when it was made. Remember that the heaviest band at the time was AC/DC or Black Sabbath or Led Zeppelin remember that punk rock dominated music and Van Halen had blown Sabbath off stage as a support act.

Maiden played something no one had ever heard before, HM was changed forever.

master of puppets

obey your Master...

By far! It's just so complete, it's the 'Dark Side of the Moon' of metal.

Listen Metallica wannabes

Master of Puppets is one Metallica's best albums but it is not better than Black or Justice for all.

Killers opens up with Wrathchild and Murders of the Rue Morgue two of the most electrifying tracks in metal history. Listen to Clive Burr on the drums listen to what the two guitarists are doing.

We're talking groundbreaking here not the same old drivel you did on your previous album. Master was no original beleive me.

Which warez website did ya get it from?

Bought the original Euro 2000 from a local
store this afternoon for Singapore dollars
$49.90. Only 50 European national teams to
choose from. Graphics looks much better than
Fifa 2000. I set it to 1600x1200 resolution.
Hope more improvements from Fifa2001.