I need your help, English football fans! If you support an English team, and you think that in a certain season they played better than usual, and you would like to see them in the classic teams league in the up-and-coming E.S.P. 2000 (Patch of the Day), please reply to this E-Mail with the team name (including year), a reason why this particular team and year deserve to go in and why they were best that year, and a team list as accurate as possible (first team, substitutes and reserves for that year, and if you can, tactic and player numbers, but only if possible, don't make 'em up!). No team (regardless of what years) can feature twice and in the year you mention they have to have been in the Premiership, Division One or Division Two. OK, well, thanks a lot, hope to see a few replies soon!

Chris Davies

I suppose you could put in 98/99 Man U for winning the treble but it's basically the same team as now.

Yeah, I think you are right - The 1999 Man. U. is too similar to the 99\00 team to go in, but thanks anyway!

Chris Davies

Why not Blackburn Rovers when they took the championship?
That year they played much more than usual :-)

Man U 98/99
With Johnsen fit, and Schmeichel on form.
Remember that Schmeichel is white, not black like the goobers at EA think.


I think a footy sim like FIFA merged with a management sim like CM would make one hell of a game. Any ideas?

Just a note to say that this is the topic Ric of Soccer Gaming (www.soccergaming.com) is talking about, and since the E.S.P. 2000 (Patch of the Day) is practically finished, come on English football fans, lend a hand in getting this released NOW! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

Chris Davies

West Ham 85 - 86 Finished third or 86 - 87
1Parkes
2Breacker
3Parris
4Martin
5
6Curbishley
7Devonshire
8Allen
9McAvennie
10Cottee
11

We research and fill in blanks

Thank you VERY much "sglean", that is what we want to see! As soon as you can fill in the remaining players (+ substitutes and reserves if poss.), that would be GREAT! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Come on people, follow "sglean"'s example, and GET REPLYING!

Chris Davies

West Ham 85 - 86 Finished third
1Parkes
2Stewart
3Parris
4Bonds
5Martin
6Curbishley
7Devonshire
8Allen
9McAvennie
10Cottee
11Pike
12Ince
13Lampard
14Potts
15Gale

Still researching but at least we have a team

what about the 94-95 season for manchester united. this is when many of the young lads started getting in the team, butt, scholes, beckham, and the nevilles, you would also have cantona, the schem, pallister, bruce, lee sharpe. it was really the start of an new age in english football that saw many young homegrown footballers. i will be back with the roster in a short while.

Chris,
The back to back, European Cup winning Nottingham Forrest side of the late 70s is in my Serie A and Classics patch available for download on this site.

I don't have the data anymore otherwise I'd gladly send it to you in text form. There's also quite a few other Classic sides on the patch as well-here is a bit of the "Read me"
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SERIE A and CLASSICS PATCH FOR FIFA 2000 by Vexapor

What this is:
Updates Serie A rosters, including player physical appearances and some ratings, as well as lineups based on the first 8 games and minutes played by every player of this year's championship. I was uncertain of about 6-10 player appearances.

Also it:
Adds to Classic Teams:
Milan 54-55
Milan 67-69
Nottingham Forest 78-80
Torino 46-49

(Bulgaria 94 and Romania 94 sent to Israel league; Daewoo overwritten and I believe the Japanese Classic team was also overwritten)

Adds to Israel:
Ajax 94/95
Borussia Dortmund 97
Inter 88-91
Juventus 59-61
Juventus 76-78
Juventus 83-86
Juventus 94-98
Manchester United 98/99
Milan 94/94
Real Madrid 98
Sampdoria 89
*Please note that Hapoel Haifa is not overwritten due to the team's involvement in Europe

Adds to Turkey:
Brasil 94
Croatia 98
France 98
Holland 98
Italy 94

Fixed rosters for:
Inter 64-66
Italy 82
Milan 88-90
Napoli 86-89
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Feel free to use any of the teams I created in your patch. I really don't care about getting credit, etc. Patches themselves are tedious enough. I would have liked to have added more English teams but I'm a stickler for detail and I have much more data on Italy available to me. Ideally, if you could somehow incorporate the teams I created, into your ESP2000, in addition to all of the sides you plan to create, it would probably be the one of the best patches available by far. If I can be of any other help, let me know.



[This message has been edited by Vexapor (edited 12-10-1999).]

OK, my suggestions:

Wimbledon 1988 (FA Cup shock winners)
Liverpool 1978-84 (already in there)
Cheltenham Town 1997/98 (FA Trophy and Conference 2nd place)
Wolves 1950s
Blackburn 1995/6 (Premier League Champions)
Leeds Utd 1992 (Cantona driven excellence, last ever Division 1 champs)
Man Utd 1968 (already in)
Leeds Utd 1970s (Don Revie's wonder team)
Nottingham Forest 1978 (European Champs)

Theres a few suggestions to kickstart the conversation...

Leeds United 1967-68
1.SPRAKE
2.REANEY
3.COOPER
4.BREMNER
5.CHARLTON
6.HUNTER
7.GREENHOFF
8.LORIMER
9.MADELEY
10.GILES
11.GRAY

LUFC no offence but it should be
1Sprake/Harvey
2Reaney
3Cooper
4Bremner
5Charton
6Hunter
7Lorimer
8Madeley
9Clarke
10Giles
11Gray.E
12Yorath
13Jones
14Cherry
15Gray.F

Liverpool 1984:

1 Grobbelaar
2 Neal
3 A.Kennedy
4 Lawrenson
5 Whelan
6 Hansen
7 Dalglish
8 Lee
9 Rush
10 Johnston
11 Souness

12 Nicol
13 Robinson
14 Gillespie
15 Hodgson
16 Hooper

Not sure about the reserves, I'll get back to you shortly on that one.

King Kenny.

wat abt the great everton of the 80s?

wat abt the great everton of the 80s?

Wow, I just got back from a quick break from the house and, blow me down, there are a load of new classic English team suggestions! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Thank you very much, keep them all coming! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif So far the classic teams will be:-

West Ham United (85\86)
Wimbledon (88)
Liverpool (78\84, already in there)
Cheltenham Town (97\98)
Wolverhampton Wanderers (50s)
Blackburn Rovers (95\96)
Man Utd (68, already in there)
Nottingham Forest 1978 (European Champs)Leeds Utd (67\68)
Everton (80s)

So, we are half way there! Just a few replys to some of your forum messages - Vexapor, PLEASE could you E-Mail me the team-sheet of Nottingham Forest's '78 side, it would be VERY much appreciated, and help a lot. And Danilo, do you have a team sheet for the Everton you are talking about? OK, well, PLEASE KEEP these replys coming in, just 10 more and the E.S.P. is ready-to-roll! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Bye for now, and thanks again for all your help, guys! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

Chris Davies

Hi!

ManU'95-96

1.Peter Schmeichel
3.Steve Bruce
5.Gary Pallister
2.Gary Neville
7.Eric Cantona
10.Mark Hughes
16.Roy Keane
9.Andy Cole
11.Lee Sharpe

and the other guys from that year which I can't remember if you have FIFA'96 check the team out.

How about Crystal Palace from early nineties
with Ian Wright.

Ouh **** my mistake Lee Sharpe isn't no.11
it's Ryan Giggs ofcourse isn't Lee Sharpe 15
and there is Brian McClair aswell
and Denis Irwin 3(Sorry Steve Bruce is 4

sorry instead of man u 94-95 make it man u 92-93 first premier league champions.

playing 4-3-3

STARTERS
GK - Peter Schmeichel
RB - Paul Parker
CB - Steve Bruce
CB - Gary Pallister
LB - Denis Irwin
RM - Lee Sharpe
CM - Paul Ince
LM - Bryan Robson
RF - Mark Hughes
CF - Eric Cantona
LF - Ryan Giggs

SUBS-
RM - Keith Gillespie
AM - Andrei Kanchelskis
GK - Gary Walsh
RB - Gary Neville
CM - Nicky Butt
CF - Dion Dublin
CB - Mike Phelan
RM - David Beckham
RB - Clayton Blackmore
CM - Brian McClair

I know that the 1996-97 Middlesbrough team was relegated but at the time it was the most exiting team in the Premiership. Though the defence was rubbish Middlesbrough provided some of the most exiting games of the season including; Manu 3:3 Boro, Boro 7:1 Derby, Boro 3:3 Chesterfield etc. That is why I think they should be in it.

GK. 25 Ben Roberts
RB. 2 Neil Cox
LB. 7 Vladimir Kinder
CB. Nigel Pearson
CB. Gianluca Festa
DM. Emerson
RM. Craig Hignett
LM. Robbie Mustoe
AM. Juninho
LF. Fabrizio Ravanelli
RF. Mikkel Beck

Others: CB 4 Steve Vickers, LW 12 Alan Moore, RB 14 Curtis Fleming, LB 3 Derek Whyte, GK 1. Mark Schwarzer, AM 20 Phil Stamp, 16 AM Bryan Robson...

I know you probably disagree but Middlesbrough went in the record books that season for many reasons...

And if you don't think that 96/97 Boro should be in it what about Jack Charltons 3rd place Middlesbrough long time ago!

Fair enough YLK, I see your point - Everyone keep replying, let's get this show on the road! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

Chris Davies

What about the entertainers, Newcastle United 1995-97 (I know the entertainers were Cole, Venison et al, but what the hey?)

1. Pavel Srnicek
2. Warren Barton
3. John Beresford
4. David Batty
5. Darren Peacock
6. Steve Howey
7. Robert Lee
8. Peter Beardsley
9. Alan Shearer
10. 'Sir' Les Ferdinand
11. Faustino Asprilla
14. David Ginola
15. Shaka Hislop
18. Keith Gillespie
19. Steve Watson
26. Robbie Elliott
27. Philippe Albert
Also Lee Clark (was no.10, but Sir Les lives there)

[This message has been edited by steve-e-o (edited 12-12-1999).]

Rochdale '99

Rochdale are the best 3rd division team there ever will be. They wouldn't be out of place in the Premiership or Seria A!

THANX!!!!!!!

I agree with Steve-e-o, put Newcaslte United 95-97, they got second twice with king kev. We have never had a better team then that team

Newcastle 4 life

Can we please, please keep it down to teams from one season only? I.e. no Liverpool 1977-1984, but just Liverpool 1984. It's so darn unrealistic to have players in a team who never played together.

Thanks,

King Kenny.

Chris,
Nottingham Forest side for 1978/79-1979/80
Peter Shilton GK
Viv Anderson RB
Kenny Burns CB
Larry Lloyd CB
Frank Clark LB (78/79)
Martin O'Neill RW
John McGovern RCM
Ian Bowyer LCM
John Robertson LW
Tony Woodcock FW
Trevor Francis FW
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Frank Gray (79/80) LB
Colin Barrett DF
Dave Needham CB
Archie Gemmill CM
Garry Birtles FW
Gary Mills FW
Gunn (position?)
O'Hare (postition?)
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That's all I have. I was told that the players numbers back then were 1-11 depending on the starters. I would have E-mailed this like you asked but the links to people's E-mails isn't working at the moment.
Hope this helps.

Here's Wolves 50's team

GK B Williams
LB G Harris
RB E Stewart
CB B Wright
CB B Slater
LCM R Flowers
RCM E Clamp
CM P Broadbent
LCF J Mullen
RCF J Murray
CF R Swinbourne

Subs/Reserves
RW J Hancox
LCF D Wilsaw
GK M Finlayson
LB B Shorthouse
RW N Deeley
CF J Pye

Hope this helps you. If you need help with players attributes e-mail me at nico_2000@lineone.net

You really should have the great Tottenhham Double Winning side of 1960-61.
email me for futher details.

And what about the Tottenham of the end of the 80's /early 90's, with Durie, Gascoigne, Walsh and the great and only Gary Lineker?

I'm sorry but I can't quite remember about the rest of the squad

Man U 98/99
Rochdale(English 3rd division)98/99

Could you put the BOLTON WANDERERS team in from the 98/99 season, where we just missed out on promotion to scum WATFORD. If you need a squad list then e-mail me

You definately cannot leave out Man Utd 93-95, it was a team of pure class,the likes of M.Hughes, E.Cantona, P.Ince, A.Kanchelskis, P.Schmeichel, G.Pallister, P.Parker, S.Bruce, R.Giggs...........PURE CLASS

How about Everton 1984-87 - this team won 2 league championships, the FA cup and the european cup winners cup - ahhh....glory days!!

GK. Neville Southall
RB. Gary Stevens
CB. Kevin Ratcliffe
CB. Dave Watson
LB. Pat Van Den Hauwe
RM. Trevor Steven
CM. Peter Reid
CM. Paul Bracewell
LM. Kevin Sheedy
CF. Gary Lineker
CF. Andy Gray

Tottenham Hotspur : Spurs won the FA cup two years in a row 1980/81 and 81/82
1Aleksic
2Hughton,
3Paul Miller,
4Graham Roberts,
6Perryman,
5Villa,
7Ardiles,
8Archibald,
9Galvin,
10Hoddle
11Crooks

More coming

Add to Spurs
Clemence
Price
Hazard
Brooke

FERGIE'S DREAM TEAM http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/wink.gif

I think Arsenal 97/98 where they did that great double! You know when they went on that great run with something like 18 games unbeaten! and that unforgettable 1:0 defeat of Man Utd with Marc Overmars' great move.
The team went something like this:-
Seamen
Dixon
Keown
Adams
Winterburn
Parlour
Viera
Petit
Overmars
Wright or Anelka http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/frown.gif
Bergkamp
This is one great team!

I would like to see the best Birmingham side that there has ever been...

I think Blackburn Rovers in 1994/95 did a very good job and should be placed as one of the classic teams.

Squad: (i forgot the numbers)
GK:Tim Flowers (Start)
Booby Mimms (SUB)
D: Colin Hendry (Start)
Graeme Le Saux (Start)
Henning Berg (Start)
Nick Marker (Start)
Mark Atkins (SUB)
M: Tim Sherwood (Start)
David Batty (Start)
Paul Warhurst (SUB)
Stuart Ripley (Start)
Jason Wilcox (Start)
F: Alan Shearer (Start)
Kevin Gallacher (Start)
Chris Sutton (SUB)
Mike Newell (SUB)

I think that Ipswich Town 1981/82 should be one of the classic teams.

Hey COME ON GUYS, Especially MANCHESTER UNITED FANS, I say Man Utd 92-97 Will be great, especially with Eric Cantona, Peter Schmeichel, Sharpe, Pallister, M.Hughs and the great guys who won in many leagues N cups. For those who have the Football Channel, check out this coming DEC 25-Dec 31, all the FAPL Winners and Runner-ups, Startin from 92/93 to 97, Man U, Arsneal and Blackburn Rovers the champs.

Oh COME ON Arsenal Fans!
Does nobody think of Arsenal's DOMINATION of the 1930's?
That's pretty much my team:
ARSENAL 1936(I don't know the exact line-up before 1936):
1.Alex Wilson -GK
2.George Male -RB
3.Eddie Hapgood-LB
4.Jack Crayston-RCB
5.Herbie Roberts-LCB
6.Joe Hulme -RW
7.Cliff Bastin -LW
8.Alex James -LCM
9.Ray Bowden -RCM
10.Ted Drake -CF
11.Jack Lambert -CF

SUBS:
David Jack -CF
Tom Parker -RB
Frank Moss -GK
Alf Kirchen -RW
Wilf Copping -LB
Bernard Joy -CB

PLEASE,Chris,If you're reading this,This is one of the GREATEST Arsenal teams ever too play football along with THE greatest EVER Manager,Herbert Chapman.(Although he died in 1934,this was largely his team).
This team won F.A. Cups in 1930 and 1936.
They won the League in 1931,33,34,35,38 and were RUNNERS-UP in 1932.Beat that UTD!
GUNNER

I think Derby County 71-76 should be a classic team on fifa 2k because they won the league twice in that era and they deserve a Classic team on fifa 2k in their honor

I'd suggest ARSENAL 1970/71 when they won the DOUBLE with players like Charlie George, George Graham, Ray Kennedy, John Radford, Eddie Kelly...

1990 England who lost to Germany in World Cup 90. Lineker, a skinny Gazza, Waddle, Pearce etc...

its a must to include the bubsy babes of manchester united. some of their careers ended to early in 1958, it would make for a nice addition.

Here is Derby Co 71-72

1.Boulton GK
2.Webster
3.Robson
4.Durban
5.McFarland
6.Todd
7.McGovern
8.Gemmill
9.O'Hare
10.Hector
11.Hinton
12.Hennessey
13.Wignall

I believe that is fairly accurate , Todd and McFarland were the central defenders.

How about Sunderland 72-73

1.Montgomery
2.Malone
3.Coleman
4.Horswill
5.Watson
6.Pitt
7.Kerr
8.W.Hughes
9.Halom
10.Porterfield
11.Tueart
12.Guthrie (D)
13.McGiven (A)
14.Lathan (A)

I think you should include the excellent S****horpe United that won the Play off final for Division 3 that saw them start this season off in division 2! It was a memorable 1-0 win at wembley that will stay in the hearts of S****horpe fans for a very long time!
Here is the squad, i have included their posistions so you know roughly what tactics were used and formation. Up the Iron!

1) Tommy Evans (Gk)
2) Paul Harsley (mid)
3) Andrew Dawson (def)
4) Richard Logan (def)
5) Russel Wilcox (def)
6) Chris Hope (c) (def)
7) Justin Walker (mid)
8) Jamie Forrester (Striker)
9) Gareth Sheldon (Striker)
10) John Gayle (Striker) (Coloured Skin)
11) Alex Calvo-Garcia (Mid)

+ Steve Housham
+ Darryn Stamp
+ Gary Bull

Thanx alot! this is a very good addition to the patch i think!

2ND DIV PLAY OFF WINNERS MANCHESTER CITY.
The team will be the same as the one in your esp Millenium patch.
To come back the way they did that day should deserve a place on your patch.