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Woman Collapses During Showing of "The Passion Of The Christ"
Wichita
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A woman collapsed in an East Wichita theatre this morning, during a showing of "The Passion Of The Christ". Peggy Law apparently suffered a heart attack. She was pronounced dead a short time later at a Wichita medical center.

Peggy Law, also known to some by her married name Peggy Scott is a respected figure in the local broadcasting community. The tragedy has hit some here at KAKE especially hard. She was a former employee.

People viewing the movie at the Warren Theatre East say Law collapsed during the portion of the movie where the crucifixion of Christ was shown.

A few off-duty doctors and nurses who were in the audience tried to revive her. But when she was taken away in the ambulance, authorities say Law still had no pulse.

The movie has been criticized for it's graphic portrayal of Jesus' death. Religious leaders around the country and here in Wichita say people need to be prepared for the graphic brutality.

Whether Law's death and the timing in the film are related, we will never know, but religious and medical officials stress this film is not for the faint-hearted.


:o Has anybody seen this film?

Originally posted by manutd4eva


:o Has anybody seen this film?

Naw.

I want to see it very badly. It looks like a great and very interesting movie. Its about time they made a big budget movie based on the life of possibly one of the most well known names in history.

I've heard some reviews that said it was anti-semitic and very violent, but its a movie about the death of Jesus, the truth is it was very violent. As for the anti-semitic part, I'll have to wait until I see it, but things like that are always blown out of proportion anyway.

Sounds like a boody good film :mrpimp:

wtf :|:|

Box Office numbers are pretty good too.

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/ap/20040225/107776332000.html

'Passion' a Box Office Hit on First Day
Wednesday February 25 6:42 PM ET


Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" took in an estimated $15 million to $20 million after just one day of release, a remarkable number for a religious-themed movie so divisive that no Hollywood studio would touch it.

"The Passion" rang up $7 million in matinee ticket sales alone in the United States and Canada on Wednesday, said Rob Schwartz, head of distribution for Newmarket Films, which Gibson hired to release the movie after studios balked.

With an estimated $3 million from private screenings for church groups Monday and Tuesday in advance of Wednesday's official opening, grosses for "The Passion" were expected to climb as high as $20 million once evening screenings are counted, Schwartz said.

Final numbers were to be released Thursday.

That falls far short of the single-day record of $43.6 million held by "Spider-Man," but "The Passion" already has passed the receipts that other modern religious films took in during their entire runs, among them "The Last Temptation of Christ" ($8.4 million) and "The Omega Code" ($12.5 million).

"The Passion" opened on 4,643 screens in 3,006 theaters.

"I think the prospects are certainly good for at least hitting $100 million overall. Then again, we have to see how the rest of the weekend plays out," Schwartz said. "Hopefully, if we continue the torrid pace we're starting to set now, that's an achievable number."

Gibson put up the film's $25 million budget out of his own pocket. After theater owners take their cut, about half of the box office take will come back to Gibson, who then pays Newmarket a percentage fee for distribution.

The film, starring Jim Caviezel as Jesus, is a bloody depiction of Christ's final hours and crucifixion. The movie's box-office prospects benefited from months of debate as Gibson built grassroots support by screening it for church groups and excluding potential critics, while some Christian and Jewish leaders complained that it could fuel anti-Semitism by implying Jews were collectively responsible for Christ's death.

I'm not religious(unless you can count Football as a religion), but I might get this as soon as it hits the you-know-what. :mrpimp:

I've read on the Tampa Tribune that a lot of people had to leave the theater withouth finishing the whole movie.
It also said that a lot of people cried during the movie :o

Is it really THAT violent and strong?? I want to see this movie :confused:

Go Mel! :rockman: :rockman: :rockman:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4302181

It's not anti-semitic. Mel Gibson wanted to show the people what really happened. It's from the Bible.

Jews are complaining, no surprise here. They say they want a message at the end of the movie to say something like "Dont hate Jews because of this". Thats ridiculous. Why didnt they have a message at the end of Schindlers List that said "Dont hate Germans because of this movie"? Please.:rolleyes: All this complaining is annoying. I definitely support Mel Gibson for making this movie.

^^^^ What he said.

Can't wait to see this movie.

Originally posted by xxxFLYERxxx
It's not anti-semitic. Mel Gibson wanted to show the people what really happened. It's from the Bible.

Jews are complaining, no surprise here. They say they want a message at the end of the movie to say something like "Dont hate Jews because of this". Thats ridiculous. Why didnt they have a message at the end of Schindlers List that said "Dont hate Germans because of this movie"? Please.:rolleyes: All this complaining is annoying. I definitely support Mel Gibson for making this movie.
Schindlers list! hehe, we are watching it in history right now.

yup what flyer said....

yea Schindlers list rocks!! Especially the **** scenes :hump:

The whole controversy seems like a huge publicity stunt... Some people will want to see this only because of the controversy around it.

Brutal, bloody, gory, realistic- boohoo :boohoo:

What's so special about this movie? It doesn't show a new perspective on the whole thing or the church, it doesn't bring up anything new. It's all in the bible for anyone who can be f*cked reading it.

Speaking of Jews being victimised... it's funny how many people don't realize that non-Jewish Poles were killed and tortured during the WWII as well... :rolleyes:

But yeah anyway, when I first heard about the movie a few months ago, people saying how controversial it was and **** I was hoping it would be something like the book The Da Vinci Code... But meh, it's the opposite... That book shows how bullsh*t this religion is, and what a brainwashing piece of sh*t the Catholic church has been since its early days. To all the devout Catholics, Read The Da Vinci Code and maybe you'll see the light one day... (H)

Originally posted by MastaLFC

Speaking of Jews being victimised... it's funny how many people don't realize that non-Jewish Poles were killed and tortured during the WWII as well... :rolleyes:



Yep.

Stalin killed more Ukrainians and Polish than Hitler killed Jews. Almost 2:1.

A bloody, gored, violent religious movie ???

GOTTA WATCH IT BABY !!!! JESUS FOR WWE !!!! :rockman:

Originally posted by Hans
A bloody, gored, violent religious movie ???

GOTTA WATCH IT BABY !!!! JESUS FOR WWE !!!! :rockman:

He's taken, WWE can't have him

http://www.jokecenter.com/jokes/Sports/2087.htm

that was a f*ing hilarious joke

I was far more offended when Alanis Morseitte played Jesus in dogma than this movie. Atleast Jesus is being played by a man and not some lesbian alternative rocker. It was a good movie but Alanis Morseitte what the ****?

I know of people who went and saw this movie today so I'll ask them what they thought of it and I might check it out. It looks like a great movie. Everyone who's seen the movie has said that they didn't find anything that would offend anyone. A lot of the people who are offended and want something to happen probably haven't seen the movie for themselves so they have no idea what they're talking about.

Originally posted by pennington10
I was far more offended when Alanis Morseitte played Jesus in dogma than this movie. Atleast Jesus is being played by a man and not some lesbian alternative rocker. It was a good movie but Alanis Morseitte what the ****?

LOL :funny:

I am looking foward to this movie on DVD since I cannot go see it in the cinema. Bloody R rating (I think its rated R in Australia) but yea, looks great.

People just get offended to easily these days. This is what society has come to and its disgusting.

Im going to see it tomorrow.

the acting by Kavietzel (?) is amazing I read and the whole movie its extraordary. probably oscar contender next year.

and about people leaving the theatre before the ending, what a bunch of idiots, the crucification is in the last 20 minutes.

gory. yes. bloody. yes. brutal. yes.

but still a must see movie. cant wait till tomorrow :)

Originally posted by Rob
I am looking foward to this movie on DVD since I cannot go see it in the cinema. Bloody R rating (I think its rated R in Australia) but yea, looks great.

People just get offended to easily these days. This is what society has come to and its disgusting.

MA Rob (Y)

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ill go c it if ne of my mates are itnerested........... im not going to watch a movie alone......... last time i treid that i felt pretty stupid :$

it looks like a good movie (Y)

Hoooooooooooooray (H)

Originally posted by MastaLFC
Read The Da Vinci Code and maybe you'll see the light one day... (H)


i read it (audiobook) over the christmas break. Best read ever.

Originally posted by MastaLFC
The whole controversy seems like a huge publicity stunt... Some people will want to see this only because of the controversy around it.

Brutal, bloody, gory, realistic- boohoo :boohoo:

What's so special about this movie? It doesn't show a new perspective on the whole thing or the church, it doesn't bring up anything new. It's all in the bible for anyone who can be f*cked reading it.

Speaking of Jews being victimised... it's funny how many people don't realize that non-Jewish Poles were killed and tortured during the WWII as well... :rolleyes:

But yeah anyway, when I first heard about the movie a few months ago, people saying how controversial it was and **** I was hoping it would be something like the book The Da Vinci Code... But meh, it's the opposite... That book shows how bullsh*t this religion is, and what a brainwashing piece of sh*t the Catholic church has been since its early days. To all the devout Catholics, Read The Da Vinci Code and maybe you'll see the light one day... (H)

I am with Kader on this one. I will be going to the movie out of interest, thanks to being brought up a Catholic (although I saw the bull**** for what it was pretty damn early). I don't trust Mel Gibsons version of the bibles version of Matthew Mark Luke and Johns version of whatever went on back then. Gibson is an extremist but I will check out the movie and debate with all the christians who have gone there in their adulation. I don't give a **** about the anti-semetic crap, it is just fighting between cousins and with all the crap going down in Israel at the moment me thinks some people are being a bit precious.

Son of god my arse.

Yeah, Aaron, and the funny part is that people, namely jews, forget that Jesus was and died as a... jew. :|

i have to see that movie

The whole anti-semitic discussion is about one sentence in the bible, it´s in Matthew 27: 25, when the jews said: "Let his blood be on us and on our children!"
(look here too!) (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&passage=Matthew+27&version=NIV)
Now some jewish don´t want that this sentence is used in the movie, because in former times (middle ages, nazi-time) some people said the jews put a curse on themselves through this sentence and then those peoples took it as a reason to hate and kill jews.

But Jesus said by himself that we all are guilty for his death and he said that he died for everyone (for the jews too!), so i don´t think this scene should be cut out of the movie, otherwise the jews have to forbid the bible too :crazyboy:

I heard this is the most violent and gruesome movie ever made... my sister watched it yesterday and said everyone was crying by the end of the movie

man, I gotta find a way to watch this despite the R rating :(

Originally posted by rony31
I heard this is the most violent and gruesome movie ever made... my sister watched it yesterday and said everyone was crying by the end of the movie Yep, I talked to the people who saw the movie and they all cried. One of my friends said that its a really powerful movie that would leave you in tears and from what he told me, it sounds like a great movie. All the tickets for the movie around here have been sold until next week so I don't know when I'll have the chance to see it for myself.

Originally posted by rony31
I heard this is the most violent and gruesome movie ever made... my sister watched it yesterday and said everyone was crying by the end of the movie

man, I gotta find a way to watch this despite the R rating :(

Do what I do, buy a ticket to a PG-13 or PG rated movie and then walk into the R rated movie. (H)

Originally posted by USA Supporter
Do what I do, buy a ticket to a PG-13 or PG rated movie and then walk into the R rated movie. (H) That's what my friends and I did to watch the first two Scary Movies. :D We got caught the second time but we went back anyway. It doesn't matter for me now since I'm 17 and can go on my own to watch an R movie. (H)

I saw the film.............................................. .................................................. .and i had a heart attack at the end........



anyway,im going to go see the film just because all the stuff that is being said about it....if you have seen Jesus get killed once, you have seen him get killed thousands of time. Unless its really "Signs 2" under a different name...i doubt it is going to be amazing. :rolleyes:

Of course Jews are going to say that this movie is anti-semetic... anything relating to Jesus' death is Anti-Jewish... they were the ones who crucified him!

Why havent they whinged about the publication of the 1st half of the 2nd half of the bible! I know they dont recognise it... but seriously!

Originally posted by INFESTA
Yeah, Aaron, and the funny part is that people, namely jews, forget that Jesus was and died as a... jew. :|

Jesus was a jew!?!?!?!?! then why are the Christian so much into Jesus!?!?

Ahhh damn religion is too confusing thats why i aint religous anymroe, its just a bunch of bull thats crap

Originally posted by TottiNZidaneR#1
Jesus was a jew!?!?!?!?! then why are the Christian so much into Jesus!?!?

Ahhh damn religion is too confusing thats why i aint religous anymroe, its just a bunch of bull thats crap

Why is that so amazing?... he was an Israeli... what did you expect him to be - Lutheran? Anglican? Catholic?

Christianity started through what written by Matthew, Mark, Luke & John and with the other disciples, spread the word to people who then spread it onto others etc.

Originally posted by MastaLFC
The whole controversy seems like a huge publicity stunt... Some people will want to see this only because of the controversy around it.

Brutal, bloody, gory, realistic- boohoo :boohoo:

What's so special about this movie? It doesn't show a new perspective on the whole thing or the church, it doesn't bring up anything new. It's all in the bible for anyone who can be f*cked reading it.

Speaking of Jews being victimised... it's funny how many people don't realize that non-Jewish Poles were killed and tortured during the WWII as well... :rolleyes:

But yeah anyway, when I first heard about the movie a few months ago, people saying how controversial it was and **** I was hoping it would be something like the book The Da Vinci Code... But meh, it's the opposite... That book shows how bullsh*t this religion is, and what a brainwashing piece of sh*t the Catholic church has been since its early days. To all the devout Catholics, Read The Da Vinci Code and maybe you'll see the light one day... (H)


Wow, you think The Da Vinci Code somehow proved Chrisitianity wrong.......
That is mind-boggling. That book is a novel. FICTION. Truth is that the author's research on the subject has proven to be quite suspect. Wish I still had the url to an article which had the numerous scholastic errors within the book listed, but I don't. I do recall several falsely reported facts about the Dead Sea Scrolls in there as far as the date of the finding and such goes.
Don't go calling Catholics (which I'm not) brainwashed when you've based your whole understanding on religion on a recent work of over-hyped FICTION.

Originally posted by TottiNZidaneR#1

Jesus was a jew!?!?!?!?! then why are the Christian so much into Jesus!?!?

Ahhh damn religion is too confusing thats why i aint religous anymroe, its just a bunch of bull thats crap

The reality is that Christianity was (and probably should still be) considered a sect of Judaism. All the original apostles and most of the first century church were Jews.
The basic story is this: the Jews were and still are waiting for a messiah to come down and establish a kingdom that will reign forever. Jesus comes and establishes a 'spiritual kingdom' through his death. Some Jews believed he was the messiah and some didn't.

Christianity is really the continuation of the Jewish religion. Jews believe that this hasn't happened yet. Christians do.

Again, I'll suggest to you the same advise I gave the guy above me. Don't decide that religion is "bull that's crap" without doing any real research to try to understand what others think.


And thus ends my sermon........


As far as this movie, I am yet to see it. Part of me wants to see it as a Christian, but another part doesn't like the idea of the Son of God being displayed so as to create pity in the audience. Probably will just for the emotional experience though.

Originally posted by rhizome17
I am with Kader on this one. I will be going to the movie out of interest, thanks to being brought up a Catholic (although I saw the bull**** for what it was pretty damn early). I don't trust Mel Gibsons version of the bibles version of Matthew Mark Luke and Johns version of whatever went on back then. Gibson is an extremist but I will check out the movie and debate with all the christians who have gone there in their adulation. I don't give a **** about the anti-semetic crap, it is just fighting between cousins and with all the crap going down in Israel at the moment me thinks some people are being a bit precious.

Son of god my arse.

What you said doesnt really bother me, but you shouldnt go around saying that. Some people live their lives around christianity, you dont have to be an asshole about it.

Originally posted by TottiNZidaneR#1
Jesus was a jew!?!?!?!?! then why are the Christian so much into Jesus!?!?

:|:|:|

Christianity was started by Jesus' disciples, and those who joined saw Jesus as the earlier predicted Messiah. Jews didn't believe this, therefore the Christians decided to begin a new religion

and I agree with Flyer... Rhizome and Kader, if you don't follow the religion, that's fine, but is there any need to go and call the centre of other people's strong beliefs bull****? no need for it

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Central/02/26/passion.death.reut/index.html :o

Originally posted by Ljungberg08
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Central/02/26/passion.death.reut/index.html :o manutd4eva posted that at the beginning of the thread. ;) Very sad though. :(

YEA GO KADER!!! AND RHIZOME!!!!


Me??? I'm not watching the movie, because i pratically don't give a ****. My parents on the other hand will go see it.



VIVA GAY-MARRIAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THE WAR AGAINST THEM CHRISTIANS!!! (H) :mrpimp: :hump:


i have my AK47 :hump:

Originally posted by rony31
but is there any need to go and call the centre of other people's strong beliefs bull****? no need for it

Yes, there is...

We can make the world a better place if we get rid of religion :rockman:

The bible is bull****. And now whether or not you believe in it is your problem.

How do you think the bible came about? You think god wrote it in heaven and sent it down to earth? (H)

What about the old testament? Was the person who wrote it around the time when god created the world in 7 days and then interviewed Adam and Eve? :confused: The chance of some spirit sending that message down on some random guy is WAYYYY lower than some drunk dreaming it all up and then writing it down on a piece of paper.

Read the Davinci Code man... You'll see how many things were changed, altered, twisted around, purposely misinterpreted and lost in translation to fit the needs of the priests.

Jesus had a wife... did you know that? But it was much better for the church to make Magdalene look like a whore.

Originally posted by MastaLFC
Yes, there is...

We can make the world a better place if we get rid of religion :rockman:

The bible is bull****. And now whether or not you believe in it is your problem.

How do you think the bible came about? You think god wrote it in heaven and sent it down to earth? (H)

What about the old testament? Was the person who wrote it around the time when god created the world in 7 days and then interviewed Adam and Eve? :confused: The chance of some spirit sending that message down on some random guy is WAYYYY lower than some drunk dreaming it all up and then writing it down on a piece of paper.

Read the Davinci Code man... You'll see how many things were changed, altered, twisted around, purposely misinterpreted and lost in translation to fit the needs of the priests.

Jesus had a wife... did you know that? But it was much better for the church to make Magdalene look like a whore.


:rockman: :rockman:


too bad I was baptized like last year, supposedly to clean out my sins:rolleyes: Anyways I play along the whole bull****, with my ****en revolution in mind. :mrpimp:

No, there isn't.

You can present your arguements against christianity without calling it bull****. Thats just ridiculous and immature.

But I think it's bull****. It's poo. It's bollocks. It's not true. It's one of the biggest fallacies of our day.

I choose to call it bull****. I can call it whatever I want. I don't go around saying "it's bull****" without backing up why I think so, therefore there is nothing immature about it.

meh, now I've got something to watch tommorow night, this film better be good. :o

screw that movie i dont want nething to do with religion in a while

Its too much of a sensitive subject.

Why havent you mentioned Judaism? I dare you to go out and say "Judaism is bull****". You will get crucified (no pun intended). You just cant say things like that.

Judaism is bull**** (Jewish stepfather) Catholicism is bull**** (Catholic mother) Islam is bull**** (Muslim father :D) Jehovahs are annoying twats (no one in my famly, thank... God?), Etc.

Deism makes a little more sense. Buddhism carries some positive ideas. Humanism is where it's at, but I wouldn't call that a religion.

there's no need to call a religion bulls**t. Religion is something very delicate that needs to be respected.
Can't people just say 'I don't like religion' or 'I disagree with this religion*' and so on...

seriously there's no need to insult when it comes to religion

Originally posted by xxxFLYERxxx
It's not anti-semitic. Mel Gibson wanted to show the people what really happened. It's from the Bible.

Jews are complaining, no surprise here. They say they want a message at the end of the movie to say something like "Dont hate Jews because of this". Thats ridiculous. Why didnt they have a message at the end of Schindlers List that said "Dont hate Germans because of this movie"? Please.:rolleyes: All this complaining is annoying. I definitely support Mel Gibson for making this movie.


Jesus was a Jew, so why shouldn't the Jews be mad at themselves for martying him? I really get tired of the complaining. It's just a story in a book, made into a movie.

I agree with Lennon. Religion is a very sensitive issue and everyone is entitled to their own set of beliefs, whether you disagree or not.

I understand what your're saying. But do you understand what i'm saying? If you said that in public, or wrote an article about it, you would literally be murdered because its so offensive. The thing is, you would never do it. Kader, i dare you to tell a jewish person that his religion is bull**** to his face. Thats just ignorant.

My parents were raised catholic, i was raised catholic, and these morals were taught to me, and i feel that im a better person because of that. You atheism crap is bull****, if you want to know my opinion. I could care less what you say about my religion, but the fact of the matter is, you have to show more respect.

Although im not very religious, i certainly don't like Kader calling the Bible "bullsh*t".

People around this world receive a lot of solace and hope from the Bible.

I belive in Christianity.

If you guys don't believe in religion, so be it. Im not here to preach but i certainly don't like people imposing their atheist beliefs here.


I always feel comforted by the feeling that there is someone watching. That feeling is what keeps my belief strong.

I have had experiences that have led me to believe in the supreme force, which i don't want to elaborate upon.

Please don't be so insensitive towards others beliefs. Debate is fine but the word "Bullsh*t" is just a terrible way to portray your feelings.


"Keep Thy Religion to thy self" is what i believe in.

I get to see the movie for free because a Church in my area rented out like 4 screens for the entire 5 day weekend of this showing. All you have to do is walk up and say you want in, and you can walk right in as long as their is a seat.

They paid for all of it. I am not religous at all, but I love history and will go see the movie. Especially for free. :p

But you can't blame the Jews for standing up for what they think is right. They have been **** on for so many centuries it's not funny. Especially by Christians.

For me the Bible is a story book, full of analogies to teach us.

i think that god, being omnipotent, would know that almost everyone would mistranslate the book, especially the most devoted. god, being omnipotent, would know that those that care only about the morals that the book teaches, are, in fact, more moral and "better christians" than those who follow the book litterally.

why? because those that translate the book litterally don't end up following the morals. they believe that their way is right, and thus all others are wrong, that would not be a wanted moral in heaven, and i seriously doubt god likes his children more if they attack their brothers and sisters.


Seriously, i don't care if god is real or not, i don't care if the bible was written by god or not. it doesn't matter because science explains things much better than god ever has, and being nice seems a heck of a lot better than hating people just for having a different mindset.

P.S. i wonder how many christians count the emotion of hatred as a sin... and i wonder how many christians count hurting feelings as a sin... probably not nearly enough.:brow:



What this world is wrong in trying to do is trying to be GOD, through their BS **** bible or something.:mrpimp:

pretty much agree with yash's post (Y)

if ur calling religion bull****....... i sure hope u don't accept christmas presents etc.......... because getting presents on the basis of bull**** just isnt right :rolleyes:

EDIT:
Originally posted by MastaLFC
The comp has arrived on Friday.... and is now waiting for me under the christmas tree...

that aint right :confused:

Originally posted by xxxFLYERxxx
My parents were raised catholic, i was raised catholic, and these morals were taught to me, and i feel that im a better person because of that. You atheism crap is bull****, if you want to know my opinion. I could care less what you say about my religion, but the fact of the matter is, you have to show more respect.

So explain to me why the hell you have to believe in some supreme being or some sect in order to have those same 'morals'.

Fact is, you don't.

I am just not a fan of imaginary friends. The struggle is right here in the material world, not some idealised fantasy land where your every step is monitored by some deity 'up there'.

Want me to prove that a God does not exist? Fact is, western ontology doesn't contain the language that allows one to do so. But then it doesn't allow one to conclusively prove that God exists, either.

But nevermind. Look at the Catholic church. What a ****ed up institution we have right there. And that is before we even reach the point of talking about the religious aspect. Corruption, child abuse, and assisting the Nazi's. Yeah, what a great organisation to belong to, that one (Y). And old Mel, he can't even bring himself to support the last time the Church tried to progress, way back in the 50's or whenever they allowed Mass to be said in languages other than latin.

He is an extremist, in much the same manner as one can think of extremists in other religions (who should be obvious to everyone). Same as Elder, I am interested in the historical aspect of the film, but in no way am I going to get any 'spritual enlightenment' out of the thing.

I know full well that I can live my life in an ethical fashion, and I don't need no book with stories from 2000 years ago to help me do that. Some people find 'solace' in the bible, some people find solace in the bottom of a whisky bottle. But both end up the same, six feet under and raw material for the future.

And hey, if I am wrong I will be consigned to hell, but it can't be any worse than watching Man City get beat every week so I can live with that.

ANd like you, I was raised a catholic. Baptism, reconciliation, communion, but I made it clear to those concerned that I would rather be committed to a mental hospital than confirmed a catholic. Choose your book or choose your flavour, the worms get us both.

C`mon people, Jesus is the son of God . . .













































And I`m his dad :crazyboy:

I`m an atheis and I`m proud, and if I should go to hell because of that then let me be, cos` if people like me goes to hell, then hell is the most rockin` place ever !!!!! :rockman:

The Power of Christ Compels YOU! (to pay at the box office..)

Originally posted by IceBlu

People around this world receive a lot of solace and hope from the Bible.



Agree with everything you said especially this part. I cant even remember the last time i prayed, but i wont go as far as saying that that peoples beliefs are bull**** thats just out of line. I also find it intresting that debates on the existence of a supreme being(or lack of..) always seems to be in the context of christianity almost all the time, and included as token is the "Islam or other is crap as well".

Originally posted by IceBlu
Although im not very religious, i certainly don't like Kader calling the Bible "bullsh*t".

People around this world receive a lot of solace and hope from the Bible.

I belive in Christianity.

If you guys don't believe in religion, so be it. Im not here to preach but i certainly don't like people imposing their atheist beliefs here.


I always feel comforted by the feeling that there is someone watching. That feeling is what keeps my belief strong.

I have had experiences that have led me to believe in the supreme force, which i don't want to elaborate upon.

Please don't be so insensitive towards others beliefs. Debate is fine but the word "Bullsh*t" is just a terrible way to portray your feelings.


"Keep Thy Religion to thy self" is what i believe in.

everyone should take his advice, really nice way to put it...if you don't believe then that's fine, but let other people have their believes....if you don't want a religious person to try to impose their believes on you, then don't try to impose your atheist beliefs on them....

Originally posted by LOCOlombia
everyone should take his advice, really nice way to put it...if you don't believe then that's fine, but let other people have their believes....if you don't want a religious person to try to impose their believes on you, then don't try to impose your atheist beliefs on them....

especially Kader! :kader: (with his rotating, burnt out tree) :rolleyes:

I can't believe the level of disrespect in the this thread. I am a Catholic but I respect those who do not believe in it. Fine, you don't believe in it, you don't go around telling everyone that their beliefs are false and so on. You really have no right to judge our beliefs and so forth...

Originally posted by Parra Power
that aint right :confused:

Oh, you're so smart ;)

Christmas for me is a tradition. It's a special time of year where I spend more quality time with my family, have a nice dinner, and a part of it is exchanging gifts.

There is nothing spiritual for me behind it, nothing related to religion. For all I care it could be celebrated in April and be called Aoqweiuasd. I would celebrate it the same way. It's just like any other holiday not related to religion. Birthday, Thanksgiving, etc.

But of course, believing that Jesus was born on December 24 makes receiving gifts so much more justified... right ;) I salute you for being such a great Christian.

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I was raised a Catholic, and therefore I have a right to judge your beliefs. I know what I'm talking about. And based on what I know, I decide to call it bull****. It's only my opinion.

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OH, so it's wrong for me to voice my opinion, but it was ok for kids to run around with black crosses on their foreheads last Wednesday? Relax, I'm not trying to impose ****. I'm saying what I think. I believe that what I'm saying is right, and therefore I hope that maybe some people can start seeing the things the way I do. If you can't, no problem with me. You believe what you wan't to believe.

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If you said that in public, or wrote an article about it, you would literally be murdered because its so offensive. The thing is, you would never do it. Kader, i dare you to tell a jewish person that his religion is bull**** to his face. Thats just ignorant.

Oh please.... :sleep: Man, you don't know me... I've argued about this with my friends, I lost some friends about this, I had a heated 2-hour debate with a guy trying to tell me that dinosaurs and humans co-existed, and as I already told you... My stepdad is Jewish. Do you think I've never talked to him about religion? Or with my mom? Or anyone else from my family?

Well, guess what... all my arguments came down to me saying that the bible is a fairy tale.

I take my hat off to you Kader. (Y)(H)

Originally posted by ::shinji::
The Power of Christ Compels YOU! (to pay at the box office..)

Man, I gave the first 8 years of my life to the catholic church and all I got was a piece of wafer each Sunday. Cruddy deal if you ask me. :kader:

Its so funny to hear the "religous" people argue about how we should not call it bull****......... but guess what it is.

I was raised an Islamic faithful and all my life i was fed with the same bull****, i was told pray 5 times a day, read the Quran etc. your life will be better:rolleyes: but nope nothing changed wheater i prayed or not. I used to be really religous but nah not anymore.

Do you people really think that back 2000 years ago all this stuff happend:| Cmon you people cant seriously believe that all those things happened. But face it people if you were not raised a certin religon at least 50% of you would never be into god and all, hell i know i wouldnt. If my parents never MADE me go to prayer and pray and belive in all that i would have never done it in the first place. Its just a waste of time and i have better things to do.

I was born Lutheren. Does that make me the enemy of the Catholics?

This thread is pretty heated. It's amazing to me how religion can totally tear people apart. It destroyed my family when I was young, and it certainly destroyed my mother.

I understand that some people get hope from "God" but what good is that hope if you have to argue that your religion is better than someone elses? I have never understood why Jews, Christians, and Muslims can't get along throughout history. Well, I guess at certain points they did, but holy ****. Pardon the pun.

You all basically believe the same thing, but each new religion that popped up just added to the old one. Hell, I should just be a Zoroastrian.

I don't know if I think religion is bull****, but I certainly don't believe in it. I guess Slayer warped my mind in 6th grade when I heard the album "South of Heaven.'

:rockman:

bah, this turned into war again

the topic should be closed

guess no one read my post :rolleyes:

religion is a joke...... just a method of control

At the end of the day, religion is quite simply hypocrisy. I know it is all sweetness and light, preaching about love and happiness and doing good for others, but when it comes down to it, all religions see themselves as the 'one true faith'. And with that in mind, it is actually about EX - clusion, not IN - clusion. Each religion sees themselves as right, and the others as wrong and/ or misguided.

Whatever turns you on, sure, but as institutions they are as corruption-filled, hypocritical and power-hungry as anything the political or economic worlds have thrown up.

Originally posted by rhizome17
At the end of the day, religion is quite simply hypocrisy. I know it is all sweetness and light, preaching about love and happiness and doing good for others, but when it comes down to it, all religions see themselves as the 'one true faith'. And with that in mind, it is actually about EX - clusion, not IN - clusion. Each religion sees themselves as right, and the others as wrong and/ or misguided.

Whatever turns you on, sure, but as institutions they are as corruption-filled, hypocritical and power-hungry as anything the political or economic worlds have thrown up.

True, my muslim teacher once told me that only good Muslims go to heaven so i said then what happens to the other billions of people who are not muslim, he said they go to hell. After that happened i never went to him or near the masq aging. The things they were teaching were just getting stupid.

If Religon was not created then so many wars could have not happend.:kader: And thats just one of the sad parts of religon.

Originally posted by Lennon
bah, this turned into war again

the topic should be closed

If someone has a tough time dealing with contrary beliefs- it's his problem. Heated debate is fine as long as there is no personal insults.

Thread stays.

afte 6 pages of religion debate instead of talking about the movie, Ive just seen it and here's my review :)

the movie is extremely well acted. Jim Caviezel is amazing as Jesus and the woman playing Mary is great too.
the cinematography and the work behind the camera by Mel Gibson is excellent btw.

on the other hand, the movie is also brutal and gory. super gory.
you see him get whipped almost to death. you see his skin getting destroyed by all this weapons and you see him getting crucified. the nails getting thru his hands and his feet.
and blood everywhere. its really is awful. its like the beating and raping scenes in last years Irreversible (with monica belluci who also is in passion as mary magdalene).

all the movie has for non-beleivers is that, the blood. and seeing jews getting another jew crucified. which would make you hate jews the same as you would hate any other person (like hitler) or group (like the kkk) for killing others (jews or blacks).

for beleivers, then the you already know what happened and you're not gonna hate the jews more for this. you'll just see the pain jesus suffered.

at the end of the movie, I got up and started watching the pother people still in the theatre. the were a lot of people crying and lot of people praying. it wasnt a good view.


I have to say I wouldn't recommend this movie.
unless you are a movie freak like me that has to watch every movie out there, then its not worth seeing (at least not in the movies, wait for the dvd or in cable).
too much blood, violence, and you realy wont get anything good from seeing it. you'll just end up sad. :(

rating: 9/10 (not a 10/10 because I would've liked to see more after the end - but still I dont recommend it).

tbh.............. religion is alot better than believing that humans exist as a mere coincidence :rolleyes:.......... that a certain commet hit the world during its creation at a certain position and changed that part of the world to an extent where where billions of years later the conditions were that much different that tiny bacteria happened to change in a certain way and accidentally made a distant ancestor of the human race :rolleyes:

what do u gain from not believing? not much, perhaps some sort of belief that you are somehow smarter than everyone else in the world :rolleyes:........... morals my arse

Originally posted by TottiNZidaneR#1
True, my muslim teacher once told me that only good Muslims go to heaven so i said then what happens to the other billions of people who are not muslim, he said they go to hell. After that happened i never went to him or near the masq aging. The things they were teaching were just getting stupid.

If Religon was not created then so many wars could have not happend.:kader: And thats just one of the sad parts of religon.
So true, my whole familliy are Christians and the preachers at my church always tells about being a good Samaritan and help those among us. But when the US attacked Iraq ( an Islam country ), not one single prayer or donations are made to Iraq. I asked my parents and the ones who have authorization at the church about why didn`t we help them with donation while the church spent a lot of money just to build a bigger building and ceremonial altars, the answer is because they got better thing to do with their Christian brothers and sisters. Good Samaritan my arse . . . :kader:

Originally posted by Parra Power
tbh.............. religion is alot better than believing that humans exist as a mere coincidence :rolleyes:.........

And........ the reason for that........... is? :rolleyes:

How exactly is religion better than believing that humans exist as a mere coincidence? How does that make my life more complete? How does that make me a better person?

All these questions dont matter. Its called faith, thats what religous people have.

No.

He just said "religion is alot better than believing that humans exist as a mere coincidence"

So I wonder what makes it better than that.

Originally posted by xxxFLYERxxx
All these questions dont matter. Its called faith, thats what religous people have.

George Michael, too (Y)

Right. Im speaking just in general.

In regards to religous people, they dont question anything. They have "faith" in God. And most people here have lost faith. And thats perfectly fine, im just pointing that out.

People should always question everything. Even their faith. If you don't question it, you're just one of the sheep following the path. The importance of questioning and challenging the authority is supported, so why not religion?

There are many things in the bible that should raise your eyebrows. It talks about dragons and half-humans-half-horses. Do you truly believe in that and don't question it?

For me the whole "either believe it all or don't believe at all" thing makes religion even worse. But it works for the church. Or at least it did in the past, when people were simply scared to question it.

According your religion, god created you with a free mind. Don't be afraid to think freely. It's not a blasphemy, it's part of being human.

Originally posted by rhizome17
George Michael, too (Y)

I prefer the Limp Bizkit version.(Y) (H)

Just found out something cool - the guy who plays Pontios Pilate in the movie is a Bulgarian actor. He was excellent in the movie. I didn't even find out he was Bulgarian until after I saw the film.

On a side note I'd like to say that I've read through most of this thread and I feel that a lot of things have been said in this thread that are unfair and in some cases untrue generlizations and statements about religions and religious people. I'm not willing to start a debate because I know I don't have the time and I would be badly outnumbered. All I want to say is that there is no need to make stupid generalizations especially when you're implying people who believe in something different than you are stupid and only believe those things because they've been spoonfed with them their entire life. The reason we as humans have free will is exactly so that we question everything and make up our own decisions and determine our own beliefs. And when some of us feel strong about those beliefs, then even statements which to an impartial observer would seem harmless, can be very hurtful. So please try to be more respectful of people's views and beliefs, because religion is a very sensitive matter, much more so than politics (IMO). Thank you.

Originally posted by Run DMB
So please try to be more respectful of people's views and beliefs, because religion is a very sensitive matter, much more so than politics (IMO). Thank you.


hell no

shud'up :mrpimp:

Give this movie one star out of five

if you took jesus out of the title, this movie would not be presentable in theatres OR in home video

it is nothing but a preulde to an hour long torture scene involving grutesque special effects

there is so much taken out of context it aint even funny, and though it is sometimes interesting to reinterpret the bible, to reinterpret it ONLY to add excessive torture is ridiculous. there is somthing to be said about anyone who thinks that ADDING footage to what was supposed to be a "flogging" as having a positive effect upon a movie. sure, I guess the public needs one bad process of corporal punishment to be replaced with a worse form, draw that process out and use as much blood and guts as imaginable. hey, it's Jesus! he'll be allright! whats the problem here? is the american public yawning through standard whipping scenes? or is the reality of a whipping scene no longer worth seeing a movie over considering that some countries allow ACTUAL whipping to be shown in film? guess not.

since we are dealing with americans, there is no such thing as "less being more". MORE IS MORE! more blood, more guts, more whipping, more torture, more gruesume elements to the crucifixion. and to make it even more disturbing is the subtraction of almost every religious factor. I mean, whoopie ******* do. an earthquake when Jesus dies? hey, I'm impressed. add a mudlside and I'm happy. Gibson should be shot for using the "anti-semetic" stunt to lure people into this pointlessly brutal interpretation of HOW jesus was crucified.


YAY CAPITALISM USING JESUS !!! :rolleyes: :crazyboy: :funny: :funny:

just saw the movie, so very grossed out at moment....not crying material, unless u're sensitive and usually cry for sad movies...yeh very grossed...mel gibson did a great job directing...i heard that the guy who plays jesus got struck by lightning during the filming of the movie...yeh just really grossed out.... very graphical stuff, a few confusing stuff...like w/ satan and the hairy mini me fat baby...yah very grossed out at moment... so all in all, worth watching.. don't think i want to watch it again tho..

Originally posted by Run DMB
religion is a very sensitive matter, much more so than politics (IMO). Thank you.

Religion IS political.

I am not going to bother to read this thread, but looking at this page and this title I reckon I guess it.

I'll add my two cents:

Film hype, boo-hoo, who cares. Groups concerned with Anti-semitism - go home!

Originally posted by rhizome17
Each religion sees themselves as right, and the others as wrong and/ or misguided.


Here, is where I disagree with most christians. I guess I am less traditional or something. What justification would God have to let good people burn in hell jsut cuz they weren't informed of him by the name the Christians believe in. I mean in Islam and Jewish, its all the same god. While others, believe in following morals, its just that perhaps we do it differently or call it by a different name. Many other religions hold the same core concepts Christianity has yet, some Christians feel the need to be superior and "change" everyoen yet ...they don't feel that they coudl be flawed in any way. Like one time I went with my sister to here protestant church, and it was soo annoying I dun get it, everyone acted so hostile as though I didnt believe or something... My mom is a Budhist, she used to be Catholic like me but converted. At first I was very angry at her got into a fight with her and almost got kicked out of the hosue. But I have learned to live with it etc. I believe that in the end when they go talk to god or watever, if the person had a good heart etc. it wouldnt matter.

Originally posted by MastaLFC


I was raised a Catholic, and therefore I have a right to judge your beliefs. I know what I'm talking about. And based on what I know, I decide to call it bull****. It's only my opinion.



It doesnt matter whether or not you were or are catholic/christian/watever. Noone has the right to judge somone...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by manutd4eva
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thats so crazy how gory must the film be :o

Originally posted by Elder
This thread is pretty heated. It's amazing to me how religion can totally tear people apart. It destroyed my family when I was young, and it certainly destroyed my mother.



I read all the posts and chose this quote; it summarazies why I don't respect religion in general. As it was proven time and time again throughout the years, religion only served to separate men from men, culture from culture.


We are all spiritual beings, and let me put this straight - I respect whatever you believe in.
The need our ancestors had to explain the unkown - from simple things like lightning to more complex thoughts like why are we here?, where do we come from?, and especially the notion unique to living beings on this earth that we are fated to die - led to the creation of myths and burial rituals. These evolved with us, into more complex rituals and mythology, adjusted each region's culture and specificnesses.

A funny proof of this is how the Christ's image changes from place to place. Check out how different the Gipsys' Jesus is from the blondish western Jesus.

Eventually, the rituals were organised into a set of codes passed down from generation to generation, orally at first and then by writings.
The potential and power behind these codes is amazing, anyone can see it, and whoever controlled it would control those who abide by them.

It's not by chance that only priests were given the chance to learn to write and read in the middle ages.

Religion is an easy spiritual solution to our needs. It provides us with all the answers and/or dogmas our existance demands. No longer we have to figure it all out by ourselves. Why are we here? Where do we come from? What happens when we die?
In return, we must follow them blindly, not questioning the faith, the dogmas, the brutality of our own kind, the arbitrary will of God, the wars in His name... Questioning is a sin, whose logical result would be burning in the stake not so long ago. Everything God-related is sacred and can't be conspurcated in any way or any form.

No cause shed so many blood, so many lives lost, so many ignorance spread, so much hatred. Frankly, whether I believe in a god or not, I don't need to be controlled or having my faith directed by someone else. Religion is not ok. Your spiritual beliefs are!
Having been raised as a Christian, having read the bible, I can't possibly believe Jesus would have any reaction towards our Church than the one he had when he returned to Jerusalem. It isn't hard to know why he died and who is responsible. He was a threat because he confronted the establishment and had major popular support. Even to these days anyone who tries to affront the Church or the State is handled and treated in a similar way (only conviniently updated to our times), no matter how wrong or right they are.
Having been raised as a Christian, having read the bible, I can't possibly believe Jesus, The Christ, was any different from us. Even if he had any special-ultra-powers, which he hadn't, using them would be contradicting himself.

Bottom line, and a big thank you if you got this far, religion, namely the Catholic Church, is the primary mega-corporation, whose profit comes in the form of mass control and the power that lays in it, and will keep on rolling as long as it is fuelled by us all.

Well if, nails being slammed into Christ's hands and feet isn'y gory...

Originally posted by INFESTA
As it was proven time and time again throughout the years, religion only served to separate men from men, culture from culture.



What about stuff like....money...or oil?

Just getting back to the topic of people calling religion bull**** - isn't that using the very same tactic certain religions have in order to convince themselves of their own superiority and to convert the 'heathens'? From what I can gather, there aren't many religions that preach tolerance or acceptance. Christianity, Judaism and Islam all proclaim that theirs is the one true path. As far as I know, Buddhism is the only religion that preaches complete tolerance. Perhaps Hinduism could count as well, though recently the levels of tolerance have greatly dipped IMO.

I am no longer very religious, though I am a spiritual person. I'm neither here nor there in this debate because I believe it is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of a higher being. Merely using logic to dismiss the idea of god is flawed as some of the most complex scientific principles defy the idea of a non-random - and therefore 'logical' - universe, and they have been proven to hold true(at least for the moment). Going by instinct is also obviously flawed as blind faith can make one fail to see the truth at the best of times.

Originally posted by flamehawk
It doesnt matter whether or not you were or are catholic/christian/watever. Noone has the right to judge somone...

Oh FFS!!!

I'm not judging you, or anyone else for that matter. I'm judging your religion. And the rating this religion gets from me is 0.0. I'm not saying you're stupid, just your religion.

That is all.

Originally posted by MastaLFC
Oh FFS!!!

I'm not judging you, or anyone else for that matter. I'm judging your religion. And the rating this religion gets from me is 0.0. I'm not saying you're stupid, just your religion.

That is all.

Well isn't religion a deep belief held with faith and ardor. So by saying that my beliefs are stupid in some ways your saying I am stupid. I mean disagreeing with another's thoughts is one thing but insulting one's is completely different.

In many cases, religion is something you've been taught since your early days. It's so deeply rooted into you, that you can't change it. So the way I choose to look at it, is that even though religion might be stupid, you aren't. You're just blinded by it, and can't think straight. But I don't blame you for it, so I'm not calling you stupid.

Mr. Sky I feel your response is the exact reason that jews are complaing. I'm jewish but will admit that most of the people complaing about the anti-semitism are stupid and are totally blowing it out of proportion. but the reason for complaing is that the movie no doubt will make some ignorant people hate Jews more. Mel Gibson is a dumb F&&& and purposely changed a little of the story to make sure he portrayed jews as money grubbing untrustworthy people (which some of us are, but it the same with all religions). Also historically it is almost proven that it was the Romans that were mainly responsible for the death of Jesus and not the jews.

This is like in a holocaust movie showing a normal christian instead of a nazi throwing a half allive jewish baby into an oven while the mom is forced to watch or a group of children forced to watch a priest not nazi hit their mom over ther head with a violin and making the teen daughter and son pick up their moms splattered brains. (these two stories happen to be true)

Im all for a movie being made on Christ to further christians spiritual beliefs but not one to fuel anti-semitism and hate. Mel Givbson can go suck a dick cause he's a piece of **** that shouldn't be allowed to betray Christians and Jews thru his negative movie.

oh yeah and hitman47 I understand some of your reasoning but try not to offend everyone just to prove your point.

Viva Che Guevara. Viva la revolution.

My English teacher said that she would not watch this movie, cuz she can't stand the violence.

She even says that she can't stand watching a fist fight on TV, she's a big wimp.

No, Mel Gibson is a good man. He took a big risk making this movie and i respect him for that.

You didnt hear Germans complaining about Holocaust movies. So these Jewish publicists or whatever need to shut the hell up.

I didn't say Mel Gibson was a bad man I just feel a man blinded so greatly by his religion shouldn't be able to make a documentery from his own version of the story portraying jews as the real killers when he can't prove some of the things he puts in the movie which is expected to be true, being a documentery type of movie.

Also what makes you think it only the jewish journalists who are writing bad things about the movie. Also you shouldn't be telling people in this forum to not offend anyone religion by calling it bull**** when you made a big stereotype in your first response saying how usual it is for jews to complain about something.
I don't want to have to make a stereotype on what you a your priest do so STF up before you critisize someone elses religion or people or else you'll get it right back.

I never made a stereotype. I said "Jews are complaining", not "all Jews complain". So go ahead and make a stereotype. I could care less. I said i was raised catholic, i never said i still follow the religion.

"Jews are complaining, no surprise here"

Thru the words "no surprise here" you seem to have been impliying something.

Im not trying to start anything, just trying to voice my opinion.

He risked millions of dollars on the film, but every other corporatation out there essentially 'risked' money on their product/s or service, 'Oh, but we trust Mel because he is just soo damn serious about this!'

Capitalism involves risks, so you think that Mel Gibson 'risking' money makes this movie any less of a capitalization on God?

All the controversy that is in the media, is merely their marketing ploy for this movie. That is the only thing they can do to get a wide turnout. Having Mel Gibson on the television, with his eyes popping out of his head, like this movie and it's script was sent from God himself.

So he risked millions:rolleyes: . Therefore, in order to make those millions back, they need a very good marketing scheme. How else do you market a movie on Jesus, without having controversy?

Attack me for being un-credible, but this is just profiting on God. It's only out there to make the public happy? That is bull****.








Since I've read the book, I'll skip the movie. :mrpimp:

Wasnt Mel Gibsons dad a Nazi? :confused:

Also i went and saw this movie ( it was for free and friends where going plus i had nothing to do ) but watched it and its not really that good. As the Jewish guy said this movie makes it look like it was 100% the Jews faul for Jesus's death because the Roman king is so nice in this movie and the Jews are just bad is how they where showing it. Too much blood, was all that nessessary!?:confused:

Ok will to tell you the truth i would not recommened the movie unless your are really religous or just get in for free like me.

Originally posted by TottiNZidaneR#1


Ok will to tell you the truth i would not recommened the movie unless your are really religous or just get in for free like me.

Its what money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ does to people :mrpimp:

Actually, wasn't the Passion of the Christ reserved for Mary Magdalene? :hump: :mrpimp:

Originally posted by Parra Power
what do u gain from not believing? not much, perhaps some sort of belief that you are somehow smarter than everyone else in the world :rolleyes:........... morals my arse But, what do you gain from believing?

Ive been wanting to see this movie but I haven't had the chance to. I heard it's very graphic and very good too. So maybe this Wed or Thur coming up I'll go. :Bow:Jesus Christ (I thank him every day for letting me live an other day)

Originally posted by Blanco150
Ive been wanting to see this movie but I haven't had the chance to. I heard it's very graphic and very good too. So maybe this Wed or Thur coming up I'll go. :Bow:Jesus Christ (I thank him every day for letting me live an other day)

You thank him for letting you live another day!?:| and what if he does not "let" you live to see tommaroww then what... He desont keep you alive you do.:)

Originally posted by TottiNZidaneR#1
You thank him for letting you live another day!?:| and what if he does not "let" you live to see tommaroww then what... He desont keep you alive you do.:)
How do you Know(:/).

:kader: :kader: i got nothing to say here

Originally posted by Blanco150
How do you Know(:/).

well its quite simple, if you run into a busy street on prupose and get run over you are trying to kill yourslef but if you dont and just dont do stupid **** then you keep yourself alive.:)

Originally posted by TottiNZidaneR#1
well its quite simple, if you run into a busy street on prupose and get run over you are trying to kill yourslef but if you dont and just dont do stupid **** then you keep yourself alive.:)
Of course cuz GOD gave you a brain to not do stupid crap like that he keeps you going, he directs you to do the right thing but there are some that choose to disobey GOD and run into the street like you said and the results are fatal. GOD is always right if you do the right thing GOD will help you. :jambo: Enough of this cuz im scaring myself:nape:

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that ;)

Originally posted by MastaLFC
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that ;)

Borat is my God. He tells me to do stupid **** and put it on film.

:rockman: (H) :funny: :funny:

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Bush is NOT Christian by the way. He likes wars and executions and shows no compassion. There are accounts of him participating in idolitry in Asia. He bowed down before the statue of a local god. A real Christian would never do that. Is he too stupid to even understand what is written in the Bible? :rolleyes:

There's other evidence he's not really Christian if you search around on the internet.

Back to the movie... I saw it today and I have to say, it was a pretty good movie. It was made to tell the story of Jesus Christ's death, and I thought it did a really good job of doing this. Sure it was very graphic, but I'm sure what actually happened to Jesus was too, so what can you do.

Now all this stuff about religion and arguing over it, stop it guys, its pointless and it gets nothing accomplished.

Originally posted by Blanco150
Of course cuz GOD gave you a brain to not do stupid crap like that he keeps you going, he directs you to do the right thing but there are some that choose to disobey GOD and run into the street like you said and the results are fatal. GOD is always right if you do the right thing GOD will help you. :jambo: Enough of this cuz im scaring myself:nape:

Well god didnt really give it to you, when your parents where :hump: and you came out the brain came with you:p ;) so it was always there.:)

Originally posted by Run DMB
Bush is NOT Christian by the way. He likes wars and executions and shows no compassion. There are accounts of him participating in idolitry in Asia. He bowed down before the statue of a local god. A real Christian would never do that. Is he too stupid to even understand what is written in the Bible?
So showing respect for other religions and beliefs is considered un-Christian? why doesn't that surprise me?:rolleyes:

Originally posted by man united forever
So showing respect for other religions and beliefs is considered un-Christian? why doesn't that surprise me?:rolleyes:

There is a difference between respecting and worshiping...

Originally posted by man united forever
So showing respect for other religions and beliefs is considered un-Christian? why doesn't that surprise me?:rolleyes:
flamehawk said it already but...

WORSHIPING other gods is strictly prohibited and is one of the 10 commandments.

That has nothing to do with RESPECTING another religion. If you're Christian and respect Islam it doesn't mean you have to pray to Allah. If you're Muslim and respect Christianity you don't have to pray to God or believe Jesus Christ was God's son, etc. :|

I respect all religions as long as their central message is good.

:clapwap: :clapwap: :rolleyes:

judging from your post it seemed that bush made a visit to a temple while on a foreign visit and bowed his head as a mark of respect. i don't know the full details so i apologise for that remark. i've been innundated with propaganda lately.

I watched some of it, then I got bored and was tempted for a game of CM, I'll watch the rest of it later after UEFA Cup.

Personally, the so-called graphical images are nothing new to me.

Originally posted by shokz
I watched some of it, then I got bored and was tempted for a game of CM, I'll watch the rest of it later after UEFA Cup.

Personally, the so-called graphical images are nothing new to me.
Where are you watching this movie that you can also get to see the UEFA Cup and then get back to the rest of the movie?

You didn't get a pirated version of a Jesus movie did you? Because that's just not right...

BTW, how are the graphical images not new to you? I've never seen a movie with such realistic mutilation of the human body... what kind of facked up movie's u watching? LOL...

Kill Bill :rockman:

Originally posted by Hristos
You didn't get a pirated version of a Jesus movie did you? Because that's just not right...

Please tell me that was sarcastic?

Originally posted by MastaLFC
Please tell me that was sarcastic?
It was a failed attempt at humour. Can't score on every shot I guess...

OK, good :D

The lack of a smilie confused me, but then I thought 'no one could be that dumb to say that'.

what's what I said to Ben on MSN :(

Originally posted by MastaLFC
OK, good :D

The lack of a smilie confused me, but then I thought 'no one could be that dumb to say that'.
Haha, yeah, I figured my lol at the end of the message would be enough.

lol.

Hey, there it is again :p

Finally got round to watching the rest of it.

"Not for the faint hearted" - MY ARSE! :S

Originally posted by shokz
Finally got round to watching the rest of it.

"Not for the faint hearted" - MY ARSE! :S
It's different when you actually watch it in a dark theatre with super surround sound and a big screen.

Like when I saw The Ring, I thought it sucked. I watched it at my buddy's house while eating chips and burgers in the middle of the afternoon on a 25" TV screen. But everyone who saw it in the theatre was like "OH MY GOD! BLAH BLAH SCARY BLAH BLAH!"

I'm watching it with my school tomorrow... only cost $2 (H)

Im not that of a religous person.

Originally posted by Hristos
It's different when you actually watch it in a dark theatre with super surround sound and a big screen.


When he was being tortured, it was like listening to someone squeezing tomato ketchup out of the container. :o

watched it today... very powerful, but people made a big deal about the violence, wasnt as bad as everyone made it seem

amazing movie though

Originally posted by rony31
watched it today... very powerful, but people made a big deal about the violence, wasnt as bad as everyone made it seem

amazing movie though

Mel deserves every penny he gets for it, it was actually the first film without any English whatsoever I have ever seen.

it's the first movie I've seen where the whole movie was spoken in ancient/extinct languages

PS: the language they were speaking (Aramaic) is an ancient version of my native language :mrpimp: