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PHILADELPHIA - Teens who pledge to remain virgins until marriage have the same rates of sexually transmitted diseases as those who don't pledge abstinence, according to a study that examined the sex lives of 12,000 adolescents.

Those who make a public pledge to abstain until marriage delay sex, have fewer sex partners and get married earlier, according to the data, gathered from adolescents ages 12 to 18 who were questioned again six years later. But the two groups' STD rates were statistically similar.

The problem, the study found, is that those virginity "pledgers" are much less likely to use condoms.

"It's difficult to simultaneously prepare for sex and say you're not going to have sex," said Peter Bearman, the chair of Columbia University's Department of Sociology, who co-authored the study with Hannah Bruckner of Yale.

"The message is really simple: 'Just say no' may work in the short term but doesn't work in the long term."

Data from the study, to be presented Tuesday at the National STD Prevention Conference, was taken from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. That study was funded in part by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Once the data from the early findings study have been reviewed by peers, they will be submitted for publication, Bearman said.

Critics of abstinance-only education saw the findings as evidence that adolescents benefit from sex education.

"It's a tragedy if we withhold from these kids information about how not to get STDs or not to get pregnant," said Dorothy Mann, executive director of the Family Planning Council, an organization dedicated to reproductive health services.

The study found that the STD rates for whites who pledged virginity was 2.8 percent compared with 3.5 percent for those who didn't pledge. For blacks, it was 18.1 percent and 20.3 percent. For Asians, 10.5 percent of virginity pledgers had STDs compared with 5.6 percent of non-pledgers. For Hispanics, it was 6.7 percent and 8.6 percent.

Bearman said that from a statistical point of view the numbers were the same. Overall rates combining all races wouldn't be valid, he said.

"The point is, substantively, that if you knew someone who pledged, and you knew someone who didn't pledge, you had no basis for thinking that one of them would have an STD over the other," he said.

The study also found that in communities where at least 20 percent of adolescents pledged the STD rates for everyone combined was 8.9 percent. In communities with less than 7 percent pledgers, the STD rate was 5.5 percent.

"It is the combination of hidden sex and unsafe sex that creates a world where people underestimate the risk of STDs," Bearman said.

The study's other findings:

_59 percent of males who did not pledge abstinence used a condom during sex; only 40 percent of male pledgers used a condom.

_28 percent of female non-pledgers were tested for STDs in the previous year, compared to 14 percent of female pledgers.

_99 percent of non-pledgers and 88 percent of pledgers have sex before marriage.

Originally posted by QuikZilver
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PHILADELPHIA - Teens who pledge to remain virgins until marriage have the same rates of sexually transmitted diseases as those who don't pledge abstinence, according to a study that examined the sex lives of 12,000 adolescents.

Those who make a public pledge to abstain until marriage delay sex, have fewer sex partners and get married earlier, according to the data, gathered from adolescents ages 12 to 18 who were questioned again six years later. But the two groups' STD rates were statistically similar.

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The problem, the study found, is that those virginity "pledgers" are much less likely to use condoms.


Critics of abstinance-only education saw the findings as evidence that adolescents benefit from sex education.



People only look at this from one side.

If those kids (who say they will abstain) are less likely to use condoms, shouldn't we be amazed that they kids being taught to use condoms are getting the same number of STD's?

Abstinance still makes more sense in my mind.

Originally posted by TheCreeper

Abstinance still makes more sense in my mind.
Yeah.... that's not for me.

I hope everyone's ass in here is a virgin...

:(

Originally posted by MastaLFC
I hope everyone's ass in here is a virgin...

:(

:rofl:

does it mean that we might as well have sex, b/c we are at same risk of getting an std? sounds good enough for me..:hump: :hump:

Originally posted by RealMatriX
does it mean that we might as well have sex, b/c we are at same risk of getting an std? sounds good enough for me..:hump: :hump:
not really no ... coz if you never have sex at all then you stand a good chance of not getting anything from someone else.

That's just your diseased nation.:crazyboy:

Originally posted by MastaLFC
I hope everyone's ass in here is a virgin...

:(
:| :| :|

I wish yer maw was a virgin... :brow: (H)





















no offence. :D

Originally posted by ShearerM4
not really no ... coz if you never have sex at all then you stand a good chance of not getting anything from someone else.

lol, ok if that's the way its gonna be, then so be it :rolleyes:

Originally posted by ::Jason::
I wish yer maw was a virgin... :brow: (H)



no offence. :D

Always have to spoil it dont ya :(

:ewan: rony (H)

am a virgin and it definitely akes sense to abstain and have sex after u marro or r engaged,thats definitely better,how can u fvuk somebody u dont really know and how can u fvuk somebody ya dont love!!we r humans not some dogs or ****,so act intelligently will ya?

How's having sex before you are married any less intelligent from doing it after you're married :|

If you do it responsibly, there is no difference at all.

Originally posted by MastaLFC
How's having sex before you are married any less intelligent from doing it after you're married :|

If you do it responsibly, there is no difference at all.


Sadly, man has lost his sense of dignity.

Are you talking to me?

how can u do it intelligently or responsibly before marriage?y do u want to degrade urself and ur character by doignit before marriage?its not for fun,its for progeny also,dont forget that..

Originally posted by sandeepkj41
how can u do it intelligently or responsibly before marriage?y do u want to degrade urself and ur character by doignit before marriage?its not for fun,its for progeny also,dont forget that..

What kind crack fiend has been washing your brain.

Originally posted by sandeepkj41
am a virgin and it definitely akes sense to abstain and have sex after u marro or r engaged,thats definitely better,how can u fvuk somebody u dont really know and how can u fvuk somebody ya dont love!!we r humans not some dogs or ****,so act intelligently will ya?

Originally posted by sandeepkj41
how can u do it intelligently or responsibly before marriage?y do u want to degrade urself and ur character by doignit before marriage?its not for fun,its for progeny also,dont forget that.. You need to get laid my man.

Sex before marriage...only happens in dreams...very few conscious marally correct people do it before then.:crazyboy:

lol :),i wont get laid man,even if a 100 naked women and stand before me,am doing it only after marriage and advice u to do the same,am not talking about the americans,they get laid as soon as they are 5 or something,and leykis i'll get laid only after marriage,not before that.:)

Originally posted by sandeepkj41
lol :),i wont get laid man,even if a 100 naked women and stand before me,am doing it only after marriage and advice u to do the same,am not talking about the americans,they get laid as soon as they are 5 or something,and leykis i'll get laid only after marriage,not before that.:)


Yea thats what I would say if i have gotten laid yet.

lol:),i cud get layed if i wanted to,but i am not doing it by choice rather than by lack of opportunity,mind that,am not like u,paying for having it...

Yes I am sure you can get any guy you really want in the sack.

F&@#&* Dopehead

Originally posted by sandeepkj41
how can u do it intelligently or responsibly before marriage?y do u want to degrade urself and ur character by doignit before marriage?its not for fun,its for progeny also,dont forget that..


Since when does being married make you more intelligent?

Originally posted by sandeepkj41
am a virgin and it definitely akes sense to abstain and have sex after u marro or r engaged,thats definitely better,how can u fvuk somebody u dont really know and how can u fvuk somebody ya dont love!!we r humans not some dogs or ****,so act intelligently will ya?

Why don't you go and consult a dictionary before undermining other people's intelligence.

THe clash of cultures is briliant here :p

I know if I had 100 naked women around me, i'd probably try and get it on with every one of them (one at a time though).

I just think that as long as conscent is mutual, then everything is possible. Whether it's after 2 or 3 months of relationship or 2 hours chatting in a club.

Originally posted by ShearerM4


I know if I had 100 naked women around me, i'd probably try and get it on with every one of them (one at a time though).


Your sperms will run out:confused: :p

How about this....how bout this....check this out.........knock knock...who' s there.....your calculator.....my calculator who? You calculator needs new batteries !:hump:

hahahahahahaha!:D

Originally posted by QuikZilver
What kind crack fiend has been washing your brain.


Actually, I'm sure it's quite the opposite. sandeepkj41 is choosing a path that is not endorsed by popular culture yet is safer, more intimate, and ultimately proven to provide healthier and longer-lasting marriages.

I live in the USA, and I'm doing the same thing.......


Just goes to show another example of the Bible being practical (and fun too!).

Originally posted by TheCreeper
Actually, I'm sure it's quite the opposite. sandeepkj41 is choosing a path that is not endorsed by popular culture yet is safer, more intimate, and ultimately proven to provide healthier and longer-lasting marriages.

I live in the USA, and I'm doing the same thing.......


Just goes to show another example of the Bible being practical (and fun too!).


yay! :rolleyes:

thats very good that atleast someone supports my view,thanx creeper :),well as creeper said he is right that the approach i have chosen helps to maintain ur character,have sex with only the person that you love and intend to live with,how can u just fvuk anybody that seems attractive to you and have no sense of remorse at all?Then wats the difference between the animals and human beings like us?Dont u experience any guilt after doing somebody before ur marriage?As i told earlier most americans do it by the age of 5 i guess so i am not talking about them here,i guess some of them are born to do just that....well once again thanx creeper :)

Man, whats the issue with sex?

As long as both people (or more if it is group sex) are consenting and know what they are doing, and as long as the right 'protection' is being used so that STD's and pregnancy can be avoided, whats the problem?

Heck, birth control pills, condoms etc. have been created so that sex can be safe AND fun. Make use of it. You only get one life, why abstain from having fun? Having sex with someone before marriage doesn't make you any less of a person. If abstaining is your thing, then I respect that, it's your decision, but it doesn't make you any better than me. I know for sure that I haven't felt guilty once for having sex with any of the women I have done it with (I have never been and have no intention of getting married). Why would I? I haven't pressured anyone into it, I haven't made anyone do anything they haven't wanted to, so there can be absolutely no guilt at all.

The difference between humans and animals when it comes to sex? We have developed contraceptives. We are not driven to have sex solely for reproductive purposes. That enough?

Originally posted by TheCreeper
Actually, I'm sure it's quite the opposite. sandeepkj41 is choosing a path that is not endorsed by popular culture yet is safer, more intimate, and ultimately proven to provide healthier and longer-lasting marriages.

I live in the USA, and I'm doing the same thing.......


Just goes to show another example of the Bible being practical (and fun too!).

longer lasting marriages....... i dun think so :rolleyes:

who's more likely to cheat? someone who's had one partner or someone who's already had it all? :confused:

I would just like to say a few more things on this issue. And that is the bull**** sex education that exists in many places. The promotion of abstinence over other options for example. Basically this is setting kids up to fail, when imo sex education should be positive, promoting safe practices, discussing issues around consent and the like, empowering people to make their own minds up and giving as much information as possible. Much of the media is to blame also for the amount of misinformation that exists around sex, and it is such a shame tha in many ofour societies people feel embarrassed about even talking about sex. This whole abstinence deal is often based on some form of religious 'ideal' about sex and sexuality - when it should take into account contemproary society and the fact that many kids are killing themselves because they often lack a place where they can openly discuss things without being shamed and the like (this is especially true for alot of teens who think they might be gay).

As the original article points out, a large number of people who pledge abstinence don't follow through. Why not deal with it in a way that deals with the reality of sex in contemporary society? Many people don't want to get married. Why should they be fed something that doesn't apply to them? Marriage is not right or wrong in itself, it is a choice, just like the choice to have sex or not.

Originally posted by sandeepkj41
the approach i have chosen helps to maintain ur character
that's a bit harsh... I don't see how abstinances makes have a better character or personality.

I find it pretty tricky to understand thos sort of views concerning sex... i totally respect them though.

All i can say is reitirate what Rhizome stated... if the girl is willing and you are too ... then and can't see any reason why not.

well i guess those were just my views,but i think its still good to abstain before marriage,dunno abt u guys though,all are entitled to their views and it ends there i guess :)

Originally posted by Parra Power
longer lasting marriages....... i dun think so :rolleyes:

who's more likely to cheat? someone who's had one partner or someone who's already had it all? :confused:


People who have had only one partner will feel much more closely connected to that one person. There is a bond that forms between two people that have only had one another as sexual partners.

Your rationale makes some sense, but it is not what actually happens. If you want the studies done on it that prove my side accurate, I'm sure I can find an article somewhere online.

This reminds me of the study done on partners that get married after living together unmarried for a certain period of time. Most people view this as a good idea: get to know each other better, make sure you can live with them, etc. In reality, people who live together before marriage are more likely to get divorced. The cause of this is that having lived together previously, they take the commitment of marriage less seriously and will more likely split after a minor argument.

But I digress......

You guys are welcome to your opinions on sex. However, I feel that most of your opinions about it are shaped around the media's portrayal of numerous partners and the excitement surrounding 'single life.' The reality is, married people are happier.

Our reliance on contraceptives is a sad thing. They do not prevent STD's. They do prevent a % of pregnancies, but judging from the number of girls in my school who became pregnant, not enough. They have their own problems too. Just a week ago a woman died from taking the 'morning after pill.' Was this at all publicized? Nope, just the back page of the LA Times......

Regardless, I'd be hard pressed to find anyone that can prove to me that having premarital sex is better than waiting for 'the one.'

Perks for premarital: you get to hump a few extra meaningless people

Probs with premarital: unwanted pregnancy, potential STD, occasional feelings of regret and guilt, loss of specialness with an eventual spouse

Perks for after marriage: meaningful bond with the person you wish to spend the rest of your life with, improved wellbeing for, at least, the last 40 years of your life

Probs with after marriage: you don't get to hump a few extra meaningless people


I'm gonna wait based on my own reasoning, even if I wasn't a Christian. Just makes sense.

It's all a bit idealistic though.

We're human, not gods who seek the spiritual path of greatness. We have our moments of reason, and others when our animal side will show itself. Casual sex if you may.

LoL. I think all this fact shows ... studies show ..is a load of BS anyway. Just do as your belief system tells you. There's no real right or wrong ... and not Everyone who marries as a virgin enjoys a happier life and the opposite. It's just that everyone is different

Originally posted by ShearerM4
There's no real right or wrong ...

That's where we differ. I believe in an absolute truth.

You are a postmodernist......

Originally posted by TheCreeper
That's where we differ. I believe in an absolute truth.

You are a postmodernist......
no problem.
Respect is the main word then. :)

Originally posted by TheCreeper
You are a postmodernist......

Oh get off the grass. I love it when people use words they don't understand. The opposition between modernism and postmodernism has nothing to do with the opposition between absolute and relative truth.

Think about it - in your conception, a postmodernist says 'there is no absolute truth'.

Then that means they have to make the prior assumption that 'it is an absolute truth that there is no absolute truth'.

So the opposition you want to make doesn't hold any water. Sorry to break the bad news to you.

Anyway, regarding people getting divorced if they get merried after living together for a while. Why do you need to interpret the cause as the fact they lived together for a while, rather than the 'getting married' itself? One could equally say that if they DIDN'T get merried, then they could continue living together happily without the piece of paper and having ther 'relationship' Okayed by the state. As for as I am concerned, I don't see any reason why I should have to get the permission from the state for my relationship to be recognised. And thank god I live in a reasonably progressive country, where unmarried couples enjoy the same rights as married couples now, making marriage a choice rather than something that HAS to be done in order to enjoy the full rights of citizenship.

And the reasons young girls get pregnant has nothing to do with the failures of contraception, it is our failure as a society to properly manage the transition from youth to adulthood, it is the failure of our society to educate about sex in a positive and empowering manner.

As for your belief that marriage somehow makes everything alright, check out the kinsey report from the 1940's. Supposedly, married monogamy was mainstream in some mythical bygone era, right? Well thank god for Kinsey, with his massive research showing just how many 'married' people of both sexes were having extramarital affairs. Marriage isn't the answer at all.

Jesus speaks the absolute truth. Listen to him.

wats dat image supposed to mean?

LMFAO!!!!! KADER!!!! :rockman:


well i say **** everything you can before the Oil Crash !!! :rockman: :rockman:

Enjoy LIFE AND ****!! :hump: :mrpimp: (H)

Originally posted by ShearerM4
It's all a bit idealistic though.

We're human, not gods who seek the spiritual path of greatness. We have our moments of reason, and others when our animal side will show itself. Casual sex if you may.

LoL. I think all this fact shows ... studies show ..is a load of BS anyway. Just do as your belief system tells you. There's no real right or wrong ... and not Everyone who marries as a virgin enjoys a happier life and the opposite. It's just that everyone is different

nuff said!!!

Bravo