Many of you this Thread does not become interesting. But the Turkish league is for the moment very much stretching. And it plays very much property player such as Pierre Van Hooijdonk, Hakan Suekuer, sergen Yalcin etc. in the league. For the moment is Fenerbahce at the first place. The table know your down seeing. On the goal scorer list P.v.Hooijdonk at the point is with 19 goals. Thus if it you interested I can be you helpful over this league.

Here Is The Table

P W D L F A Points

1 Fenerbahçe 25 17 6 2 60 29 57

2 Beþiktaþ 25 16 6 3 53 29 54

3 Trabzonspor 25 15 5 5 41 28 50

4 Denizlispor 25 14 3 8 40 27 45

5 Gaziantepspor 25 13 3 9 39 37 42

6 Galatasaray 25 11 8 6 39 32 41

7 Diyarbakýrspor 25 10 7 8 37 33 37

8 Samsunspor 25 10 6 9 37 36 36

9 Malatyaspor 25 8 9 8 33 27 33

10 Gençlerbirliði 24 9 4 11 40 34 31

11 Ankaragücü 25 8 6 11 34 40 30

12 Konyaspor 25 6 11 8 37 42 29

13 Ç. Rizespor 25 8 3 14 26 43 27

14 Ýstanbulspor 25 7 6 12 33 37 26

15 A. Sebatspor 25 6 8 11 31 40 26

16 Bursaspor 25 4 9 12 21 32 21

17 Elazýðspor 25 5 6 14 33 48 21

18 Adanaspor 24 3 3 18 23 52 12

I hope Besiktas will get the title.. And come on Gencler, you deserve better places..

Van Hooijdonk is doing great in Turkey. I hope Advocaat will take him to Portugal.

Viva Besiktas :rockman: My fav is Ilhan Mansiz but I think hes gone to Japan, so it be Koc Okan in the Turkish Super Lig!

yeah Koç Okan he is pretty good..i guess he's only 20 or 21..

Terrible season of Galatasaray. What's happen with them? :confused:

Originally posted by mhflierman
Van Hooijdonk is doing great in Turkey. I hope Advocaat will take him to Portugal.

No!!!

Hooijdonk remains with Fenerbahce. It is lucky there and we love it and needing it.:hump:

Originally posted by Punkt
Terrible season of Galatasaray. What's happen with them? :confused:

No notion that lies. But if the coach Fatih Terim, leaves, Hasan Sas not to plays then is he also guilty.

But The Best Youngstar In The Turkish League Is

TUNCAY SANLI.

He Is 22 Years Young And Play Very Very Good Football

Originally posted by PI-AIR 17
No!!!

Hooijdonk remains with Fenerbahce. It is lucky there and we love it and needing it.:hump:

He meant that Advocaat will take him to the Euro2004 squad..

Originally posted by Punkt
Terrible season of Galatasaray. What's happen with them? :confused:

Many things happened. We don't play in Ali Sami Yen, but in the Atatürk Olympic stadium and because of that we often play in front of a very small crowd.

We have also wasted a lot of money on crappy foreign players who weren't good enough to play for Galatasaray.
Look at the list of foreign players who have been bought and sold in the past 18 months: Felipe, Christian, Lukunku, Pinto, Tamas, Algumaur, Frank De Boer, Klodian Duro +many more.

And we also have huge financial problems.

Originally posted by Manny
Many things happened. We don't play in Ali Sami Yen, but in the Atatürk Olympic stadium and because of that we often play in front of a very small crowd.

We have also wasted a lot of money on crappy foreign players who weren't good enough to play for Galatasaray.
Look at the list of foreign players who have been bought and sold in the past 18 months: Felipe, Christian, Lukunku, Pinto, Tamas, Algumaur, Frank De Boer, Klodian Duro +many more.

And we also have huge financial problems.

Benfica played in the National Stadium too before the new Luz was completed. It sucks! We have very few attendances too.

Originally posted by Punkt
Benfica played in the National Stadium too before the new Luz was completed. It sucks! We have very few attendances too.

Well I bet it was worth the wait. Your new stadium is fantastic. It is my favorite European stadium.

I hope our new president will build a new stadium aswell. :)

This year Besiktas will be champion next year GALATASARAY:rockman:

Originally posted by Manny
Well I bet it was worth the wait. Your new stadium is fantastic. It is my favorite European stadium.

I hope our new president will build a new stadium aswell. :)

Agreed, Benfica's new stadium is fantastic. I hope Galatasaray will own a stadium like that one day. Olympic Stadium really destroyed Galatasaray.

Originally posted by PI-AIR 17
But The Best Youngstar In The Turkish League Is

TUNCAY SANLI.

He Is 22 Years Young And Play Very Very Good Football

Tunjay is the best youngster among them. I hope he continues his performance and helps our national team. I wish Daum played him as a striker which thats where he belongs, he is not a left midfielder. But as a midfielder he still scored 13 goals and made alot of assists. Awsome player and very exciting to watch when he plays as a striker.

Originally posted by Sky Reloaded
Viva Besiktas :rockman: My fav is Ilhan Mansiz but I think hes gone to Japan, so it be Koc Okan in the Turkish Super Lig!

He is an awsome striker but he has an attitude problems, every match he would get in to trouble with refs. Some times he becomes a maniac in the field, he is a psycho :)

I used to watch the goals of TSL in Eurogoals. It's a pity that they left showing them.

Fenerbahce will win it this year. Ilhan left Besiktas and he was IMO their most influential player. I'm suprised to see Trabzonspor doing so good. It's probably cause of Karadeniz, he's one of the best. Marcio Nobre has been doing good, but is a wee bit inconsistent.

Besiktas might as well be in the Divizia A (Romanian league) they have a romanian coach and their two main forwards are romanian :crazyboy:

i think Galatasaray will be better with another coach..this coach can be Tigana or Cuper according to Turkish newspapers..

Originally posted by TURK_1975
Tunjay is the best youngster among them. I hope he continues his performance and helps our national team. I wish Daum played him as a striker which thats where he belongs, he is not a left midfielder. But as a midfielder he still scored 13 goals and made alot of assists. Awsome player and very exciting to watch when he plays as a striker.

+1907

that is correct

And here is the goal scorer list of the Turkish league.
My favorite is whole clearly Hooijdonk. It at the end of the season certainly first

See Picture:

Ahmed Hassan is doin good i guess, cos he can't play regularly but he've scored 13..:confused:

Originally posted by #1 interista
Ahmed Hassan is doin good i guess, cos he can't play regularly but he've scored 13..:confused:

Its funny how that works :). He scores every game when he comes as a sub. But if he starts in the first 11, he will play **** and wonder around the whole game.

I've got the utmost admiration for Tuncay Sanli. He's going to be huge in a couple of years, I've said it so many times. He's been linked with numerous clubs this year, too. I hope he remains with Fener a while long to before moving abroad so he can develop and keep progressing as a player. He needs to put on some weight, though. :p

Originally posted by Voltaic Borusse
I've got the utmost admiration for Tuncay Sanli. He's going to be huge in a couple of years, I've said it so many times. He's been linked with numerous clubs this year, too. I hope he remains with Fener a while long to before moving abroad so he can develop and keep progressing as a player. He needs to put on some weight, though. :p


As a Gala fan I have to admit how great he is to watch. Galatasaray couldn't transfer him cause of financial problems :(

What's going on with the new Ali Sami Yen stadium? Wasn't it supposed to be built by now? I hear the location of the Olimpiat Stat was horrible. That stadium needs to be completed already!

Originally posted by Ny8La8
What's going on with the new Ali Sami Yen stadium? Wasn't it supposed to be built by now? I hear the location of the Olimpiat Stat was horrible. That stadium needs to be completed already!

Financial problems hit Galatasaray and I don't think they will even build a new stadium. There are rumors that we will return to our old Ali Sami Yen. And about the Olympic Stadium, I wish it was only the location was the problem. The pitch or the grass is horrible too, the players are afraid to play in that field. The Stadium is too big and when Galatasaray plays against Adanaspor or Elazýðspor **** teams like that, only few thousands fans show up and the whole stadium seems empty. The players feel alone in the stadium. I hope we are going back to our old stadium which we use to motivate our players by cheering and put the ref and the opposite team in to stress. None of that happening in the Olympic Stadium.

You know what? I WISH they return to the Old Ali Sami Yen Stadium anyway. That is their true home.

and wow, what kind of financial problems could GS have? i mean, weren't they like the top team two years ago? sorry i dont follow them too much cuz im in the U.S.A and i dont have time. i follow TSL whenever i get the chance.

Originally posted by Ny8La8
You know what? I WISH they return to the Old Ali Sami Yen Stadium anyway. That is their true home.

and wow, what kind of financial problems could GS have? i mean, weren't they like the top team two years ago? sorry i dont follow them too much cuz im in the U.S.A and i dont have time. i follow TSL whenever i get the chance.

Last time I heard was, GS had 200 million in debt, so many rumors going on, I don't know who to believe anymore. Its the economic problems in Turkey have effected GS as well. GS is and was the best team but they are falling apart. Hopefully our new Chairman will take GS to the top again. I think end of this month we will have elections for a new chairman.

this sunday Galatasaray have chairman elections...
Goodbye Canaydin:rockman: :hump:

Originally posted by TURK_1975
As a Gala fan I have to admit how great he is to watch. Galatasaray couldn't transfer him cause of financial problems :(

That is a lie. Tuncay is Fenerbahce fan and Fenerbahce has it finalhit a corner from a 2.liga Team.

PI-AIR do you know English??
he said he is Galatasary fan not Tuncay;)

Originally posted by diroix
PI-AIR do you know English??
he said he is Galatasary fan not Tuncay;)

OOOOPPPSSS SORRY

But Hooijdonk did not only come ways the money. He meant it at most credit the Fenerbahce fan favour. With the play between Fenerbahce and Feyenoord

Tuncay is supposed to sign a 3-year contract with Fenerbahce. He was linked with Inter and Roma before.

Originally posted by PI-AIR 17
OOOOPPPSSS SORRY

But Hooijdonk did not only come ways the money. He meant it at most credit the Fenerbahce fan favour. With the play between Fenerbahce and Feyenoord

Nope im sorry to break it to u but Van Hooijdonk came for the money...as much has he wants to deny it he came for the money.

P.S. I dont want to start a fight its just pretty obvious he came for the money

sure pvh went for money..

Originally posted by PI-AIR 17
But Hooijdonk did not only come ways the money. He meant it at most credit the Fenerbahce fan favour. With the play between Fenerbahce and Feyenoord

Yeah, that's right. Gala offered more money then Fener, too, and royal treatment had he picked Gala instead of Fener.

Originally posted by Voltaic Borusse
Yeah, that's right. Gala offered more money then Fener, too, and royal treatment had he picked Gala instead of Fener.

There is no way that Gala can offer more money than Fener, just like Tunjay, Fener offered him more money and he denied Gala. All the Gala players are playing for their team, not for money. Hasan Sas is one of them, Hakan Sukur. We don't want players to come in for money, we want them to come in for Gala. :)

Originally posted by PI-AIR 17
That is a lie. Tuncay is Fenerbahce fan and Fenerbahce has it finalhit a corner from a 2.liga Team.

How do you know if he is a fenerbahce fan?

Originally posted by TURK_1975
There is no way that Gala can offer more money than Fener, just like Tunjay, Fener offered him more money and he denied Gala. All the Gala players are playing for their team, not for money. Hasan Sas is one of them, Hakan Sukur. We don't want players to come in for money, we want them to come in for Gala. :)

TURK_1975, I think you're right. No chance that Gala could have offered more money for Pierre Van Hooijdonk. Since two years Gala is in his biggest financial problems of all time. Over 100 million $, if I remember right.
Tuncay, well, didn't Gala made him an offer before Fenerbahce ? But Fener offered more money. Or am I wrong ?? :rolleyes: :crazyboy:

Cya !

Originally posted by Frost
TURK_1975, I think you're right. No chance that Gala could have offered more money for Pierre Van Hooijdonk. Since two years Gala is in his biggest financial problems of all time. Over 100 million $, if I remember right.
Tuncay, well, didn't Gala made him an offer before Fenerbahce ? But Fener offered more money. Or am I wrong ?? :rolleyes: :crazyboy:

Cya !

Yep you're right and about Tunjay, all I know is that Gala wanted to get him as well, but my guess is he went to fener because of the $$$. Fener is the richest club in Turkey.

Originally posted by TURK_1975
How do you know if he is a fenerbahce fan?

Tuncay Said ; I AM Fenerbahce Fan. And His Family are too Fenerbahce Fans.

Originally posted by Frost
TURK_1975, I think you're right. No chance that Gala could have offered more money for Pierre Van Hooijdonk. Since two years Gala is in his biggest financial problems of all time. Over 100 million $, if I remember right.
Tuncay, well, didn't Gala made him an offer before Fenerbahce ? But Fener offered more money. Or am I wrong ?? :rolleyes: :crazyboy:

Cya !

+1907

Thats Right

Originally posted by PI-AIR 17
Tuncay Said ; I AM Fenerbahce Fan. And His Family are too Fenerbahce Fans.

Well thats what they all say when they join a big team. Tunjay had to say that he was a fener fan so he can be loved among the fener fans.

Besiktas Has Lost Vs. Diyarbakirspor.

Diyarbakirspor :3
Besiktas :1

YEEEEEEEESSSSS.

if Fenerbahce Win Vs. Bursaspor.

Then Has Fenerbahce 60 P
And Besiktas 54 P

:rockman: :rockman: :rockman:

loooool


Galatasaray Has Lost Vs. Caykur Rizespor.

Galatsaray :1
Caykur Rizespor :2

I Hope Fenerbahce Win Tomorrow Vs. Bursaspor

Besiktas are losers.Fener is gonna be the champion.

Originally posted by aytacyolas
Besiktas are losers.Fener is gonna be the champion.

Thats a real intelligent statement...figures it comes from the mouth of a Fenerbahce Fan:kader:

Originally posted by Emre_5
Thats a real intelligent statement...figures it comes from the mouth of a Fenerbahce Fan:kader:

Always leave it to the Gala fan to turn everything into some vandetta because their team is playing poorly. We are here to talk about the Turkish League. If you wanna start sh!t then open your own thread and say all the things you want. This thread was put togeather so information can be given about the league, not your stupid comments. Stop wasting everyone's time. Oh yea, Galatasaray is in 6th place, just a reminder. :kader:

Originally posted by hpakel
Always leave it to the Gala fan to turn everything into some vandetta because their team is playing poorly. We are here to talk about the Turkish League. If you wanna start sh!t then open your own thread and say all the things you want. This thread was put togeather so information can be given about the league, not your stupid comments. Stop wasting everyone's time. Oh yea, Galatasaray is in 6th place, just a reminder. :kader:

Well you need to accept things.

Well what did he say wrong to upset you? All he said was 'Thats a real intelligent statement...figures it comes from the mouth of a Fenerbahce Fan' And you know what? He is right. Besiktas are loosers and Fener will be the champions. muhahaha, well in the first half of the season Besiktas was 13 points ahead on the table and every one said Besiktas was going to be the champions, now Besiktas failed 6 points behind fener, its still too early to predict. Can't you accept that?

Galatasaray is in 6th place, just a reminder. Well thank you very much for reminding, we are not stupid, what kind of comment was that?

Originally posted by aytacyolas
Besiktas are losers.Fener is gonna be the champion.

All he did was make a prediction that does make sense. If you have been watching the games as a futbol fan you should notice that the level of play for besiktas has decreased, while the play of Fenerbahce has got much better from the start of the season. The way things are going it's logical to say that Fener could be champions. He just said it in a shorter way. And what can't I accept, that Fener will be the champions? :confused:

Just read that Tuncay has signed a deal to extend his stay with Fenerbahce until the year 2007. Good news for Fenerbahce fans. :)

http://www.fenerbahce.com/haberler/8650

Yeeeaaahhhh

Fenerbahce Win Vs. Bursa

Fenerbahce 3
Bursaspor 1

Goals:

Nobre , Tuncay (2)
Okan Yilmaz

This Is The New Tabel.

1. Fenerbahce 60
2. Besiktas 54
3. Trabzonspor 53

Go Besiktas:rockman:

Besiktas will destroy Fener in Ýnönü...:rockman: ;)

Isn't Besiktas rival of Galatasaray? :crazyboy:

Originally posted by Punkt
Isn't Besiktas rival of Galatasaray? :crazyboy:

Yea but We would rather have Besiktas win the Championship over Fener.

Originally posted by Emre_5
Yea but We would rather have Besiktas win the Championship over Fener.

Now i get it. :p

Originally posted by hpakel
All he did was make a prediction that does make sense. If you have been watching the games as a futbol fan you should notice that the level of play for besiktas has decreased, while the play of Fenerbahce has got much better from the start of the season. The way things are going it's logical to say that Fener could be champions. He just said it in a shorter way. And what can't I accept, that Fener will be the champions? :confused:


Who knows things might decrease for fener in the following remaining matches and then Besiktas might win it. :kader: The thing that does not make any sence is that fener is still not champions yet. Its not over untill its over. When we won the UEFA cup, we didn't predict anything untill it was over.

Fenerbahce Is This Year Champion.

SAMPIYYOOONNNN FENEEENRRRBBBAAAAHHHCEEEE

I never predicted anything. I still say nothing is certain yet. As a Fenerbahce fan of course I will show support fully for my team. I think the decideing game will be the Fenerbahce-Besiktas derby.

Look guyz, i just said what i believe.And Fener is good enough to be champion this year.Much better than galatasaray and besiktas.It doesnt matter if i am a fenerbahçe fan or not, but if you wonder so much, yes i am a fenerbahçe fan since my birth.

Originally posted by hpakel
I never predicted anything. I still say nothing is certain yet. As a Fenerbahce fan of course I will show support fully for my team. I think the decideing game will be the Fenerbahce-Besiktas derby.

Thus I believe up to this play everything will be clear already. Up to then Fenerbahce already much far to be certain in front

I'm not saying Fenerbahce will not be champions, because I believe they will be champions. But the Besiktas game is like a championship game because if Fener get any points from that game its all over. I don't want to talk like the season is over yet and jinks the team. Believe me I'm a huge Fenerbahce fan.

Hep Destek Tam Destek. :)

Gheorghe Hagi has taken over coaching duties for Galatasaray and has signed a 2.5 year contract. Hagi had played for Gala from 1996 to 2000 while Terim was head coach.

Originally posted by hpakel
I'm not saying Fenerbahce will not be champions, because I believe they will be champions. But the Besiktas game is like a championship game because if Fener get any points from that game its all over. I don't want to talk like the season is over yet and jinks the team. Believe me I'm a huge Fenerbahce fan.

Hep Destek Tam Destek. :)

Yes My Friend.

thats right.

Hep Destek Tam Destek

Yeesss

The New Coach From Galatasaray Is Gheorghe Hagi.
He Was The Best Player From Galatasaray.

Originally posted by PI-AIR 17
Yeesss

The New Coach From Galatasaray Is Gheorghe Hagi.
He Was The Best Player From Galatasaray.

Are u being Sarcastic? I hope not anyway i knew Hagi would be Manager of Galatasaray gimme a minute and ill dig up the thread i created....

Here i Found it....

http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97597

Originally posted by hpakel
I never predicted anything. I still say nothing is certain yet. As a Fenerbahce fan of course I will show support fully for my team. I think the decideing game will be the Fenerbahce-Besiktas derby.

Where do you fener fans live? I guess you havn't seen Fener's game against Bursaspor this week. The fener players were booved by your fans untill fener scored, and played terrible against bursa.

Originally posted by TURK_1975
Where do you fener fans live? I guess you havn't seen Fener's game against Bursaspor this week. The fener players were booved by your fans untill fener scored, and played terrible against bursa.

I've seen the game, it wasn't Fener's worst game and it wasn't their best, but they got the 3 points. Second of all the team wasn't booed, it was mahmut hanefi, he had an off game. You can read anywhere and you can check out several video clips of pretty much all sports writers in Turkey stating that Fenerbahce supporters support their teams to the fullest. Here are a few links, its in Turkish so sorry for those who don't know turkish.


http://www.antu.com/naklen/2003-2004/fener_gs/0304fener2gs1maconcesitribun.mpg

Originally posted by TURK_1975
Where do you fener fans live? I guess you havn't seen Fener's game against Bursaspor this week. The fener players were booved by your fans untill fener scored, and played terrible against bursa.

I've seen the game, it wasn't Fener's worst game and it wasn't their best, but they got the 3 points. Second of all the team wasn't booed, it was mahmut hanefi, he had an off game. You can read anywhere and you can check out several video clips of pretty much all sports writers in Turkey stating that Fenerbahce supporters support their teams to the fullest. Here are a few links, its in Turkish so sorry for those who don't know turkish.


http://www.antu.com/naklen/2003-2004/fener_gs/0304fener2gs1maconcesitribun.mpg

Originally posted by TURK_1975
Where do you fener fans live? I guess you havn't seen Fener's game against Bursaspor this week. The fener players were booved by your fans untill fener scored, and played terrible against bursa.

I've seen the game, it wasn't Fener's worst game and it wasn't their best, but they got the 3 points. Second of all the team wasn't booed, it was mahmut hanefi, he had an off game. You can read anywhere and you can check out several video clips of pretty much all sports writers in Turkey stating that Fenerbahce supporters support their teams to the fullest. Here are a few links, its in Turkish so sorry for those who don't know turkish.


http://www.antu.com/naklen/2003-2004/fener_gs/0304fener2gs1maconcesitribun.mpg

the fans in Turkey, they're piece of cake.. not for only team, everyteam have an amazing supporters..but i guess the fans of Besiktas are the #1..

This Weeks upcoming matches are:

Besiktas will take on a respected Gaziantepspor side who are in 5th place in the league with 45 points. The game will be played at Inonu Stadium.

Fenerbahce will match up against a last place Adanaspor side in Adana.

Galatasaray will go up against an 8th place side Samsunspor in Samsun. Where Hagi, new coach for Gala, will have his first test.

Previous Match Scores:

Gaziantepspor 0 Besiktas 3
Fenerbahce 3 Adanaspor 0
Galatasaray 1 Samsunspor 0

Fenerbahce sit a top the league with 6 points ahead of Besiktas; who are battleing for league title. Trabzonspor are just 1 point behind 2nd place Besiktas, with 53 points. Galatasaray who seem not to be on form lately sit 6th in the league with 41 pionts.

Originally posted by hpakel
This Weeks upcoming matches are:

Besiktas will take on a respected Gaziantepspor side who are in 5th place in the league with 45 points. The game will be played at Inonu Stadium.

Fenerbahce will match up against a last place Adanaspor side in Adana.

Galatasaray will go up against an 8th place side Samsunspor in Samsun. Where Hagi, new coach for Gala, will have his first test.

Previous Match Scores:

Gaziantepspor 0 Besiktas 3
Fenerbahce 3 Adanaspor 0
Galatasaray 1 Samsunspor 0

Fenerbahce sit a top the league with 6 points ahead of Besiktas; who are battleing for league title. Trabzonspor are just 1 point behind 2nd place Besiktas, with 53 points. Galatasaray who seem not to be on form lately sit 6th in the league with 41 pionts.


Besiktas has a big game to worry against antep, fener are 95% winners against adana no question about that. Things are going terrible with Gala, we will see how well Hagi prepared his team in one week against samsun this week. Hagi is not a great coach but I believe he will be top 10 in the world when time comes.

Good Luck for all the teams, but I got the UEFA cup match to worry before the Turkish league which is another 2-3 days to go, can't wait for the Valencia vs. Genclerbirligi game tomorrow. GO GENCLERBIRLIGI >>>>>>>>>

Wow, I'm suprised by Nobre's skill. I didn't really expect much of him but he's been scoring and been consistent lately. Well, he has until June to prove himself...

I see Besiktas falling to third and Trabzonspor becoming 2nd before the end of the season. Karadeniz has been playing great. He'd be a great signing for Fenerbahce.

Zafer Biryol is also great. I expect him to probably go to Trabzon or Gazientep if they have the money.

Originally posted by Delly
Wow, I'm suprised by Nobre's skill. I didn't really expect much of him but he's been scoring and been consistent lately. Well, he has until June to prove himself...

I see Besiktas falling to third and Trabzonspor becoming 2nd before the end of the season. Karadeniz has been playing great. He'd be a great signing for Fenerbahce.

Zafer Biryol is also great. I expect him to probably go to Trabzon or Gazientep if they have the money.

I would like to see Nobre in next years lineup. The Fenerbahce front office have expressed that they would like to keep him and sign him for a longer term. Nobre seems to be happy at Fenerbahce. And Fenerbahce seem to be going after Karadeniz to sign him for next year.

Originally posted by hpakel
I would like to see Nobre in next years lineup. The Fenerbahce front office have expressed that they would like to keep him and sign him for a longer term. Nobre seems to be happy at Fenerbahce. And Fenerbahce seem to be going after Karadeniz to sign him for next year.

+1907

I hope we sign Karadeniz. He's needed for key attacks. I just wish Daum would play something like this, although he's doing great, we don't get alot of chances.

-----------------Volkan--------------
---Fatih-------Luciano-------Petkov--
--------------Umit Ozat-----------------
--Selcuk----M.Yozgatli--------Kemal--
--------------v.Hooijdonk----------------
----------Nobre-------Tuncay-----------

Subs -
Recep
Aurelio
Servet
Serhat
Tomas
Semih
Ali Gunes

Volkan IMO is alot better than Recep. Recep makes alot of great saves but still let's easy one's go in. Volkan is a consistent goalkeeper.

Defense - Fatih and Fabio are very good defenders. I'd like to rather put Servet instead of Fatih, but Fatih has more experiance which is key, but I don't like that mistake that he made against Bursaspor. Servet is young and good, although sometimes he does stupid things and gets alot of yellow cards. Petkov is a good defender. He can make attacks down the left wing too. I'd like to see Kemal and Petkov take cover for each other on the left wing, like Total Football.

Midfield - Umit Ozat is a good defender and midfielder. It would be best to put him in defensive midfielder. He can make key through passes up to the attackers which is good. Selcuk is doing very good since he came so there's was nobody besides him that I'd rather put on the right wing. As I said before Kemal would switch time to time during the match with Petkov. Yozgatli will provide attacking bursts from the center of the pitch which is key.

Attackers - There's no other trio on Fenerbahce that I'd rather put in the attacking position. Nobre, van Hooijdonk, and Tuncay have been doing great togerther lately. It would be best if Tuncay was played as an attacking midfielder/striker than wast his time on the wing. Nobre can be a great goal poacher and that's one of the reasons why I'd pick him. Pierre of course would always have to be in the centre. He is our best player, and he's a team player. He's a striker but I wouldn't put him there. He has great passing skills and he needs to use them.

SUBS - The key to good subs IMO is : experiance and chances. Mix in old players with young.

I like the line-up. Especially the attacking with van hooijdonk center and tuncay and nobre as forwards. I would put aurelio in for selcuk. I think aurelio has the ability to keep his composure better then selcuk and tends to make fewer mistakes. Or maybe even serhat on the right and aurelio on the left. If you remember the beginning of the season serhat was very effective coming off the wing.

Tomas won't be here next season because he wants to go back to Italy. If Fenerbahce were to transfer the players they wanted here's what the line-up could look like for next year:

Volkan (Recep) - Serkan (Fatih), Fabio (Can), Tomas (Servet), Ý.Toraman (Mahmut) - Ümit (M.Yozgatlý) - Gökdeniz (Ali Güneþ), Yýldýray (Selçuk), Tuncay (Alex) - Nobre (Serhat), Hooijdonk (Semih).
Playing a 4-1-3-2.

I'm not to optimistic of getting Yildiray, but I believe Alex is in the works.

I think Fener should stop wasting there money on attacking players and buy some good defenders. Fatih Sonkaya would be a great signing, but rumors are he's going to Galatasaray. Also the Turkey U-17 team is very good. I'd like to see Fenerbahce buy a bunch of young players and try and make their youth academy known. Yidiray, Karadeniz, and Alex are players that we need. I saw you included Ibrahim Toraman in you line-up. He's very good IMO. He'd be a good signing for Fener. I'd like seeing maybe Alpay playing at Fener again.

Originally posted by Delly
I think Fener should stop wasting there money on attacking players and buy some good defenders. Fatih Sonkaya would be a great signing, but rumors are he's going to Galatasaray. Also the Turkey U-17 team is very good. I'd like to see Fenerbahce buy a bunch of young players and try and make their youth academy known. Yidiray, Karadeniz, and Alex are players that we need. I saw you included Ibrahim Toraman in you line-up. He's very good IMO. He'd be a good signing for Fener. I'd like seeing maybe Alpay playing at Fener again.


You're right, fener always waisted their money on Attacking midfielders or forwards.

I think Fener would need to get a really solid defensemen for next year. Not a young player, because we have a lot of young players. An experienced defensemen would be good. But I think Alpay is past his prime. He is still good, but I don't think he is what Fenerbahce are looking for.

a couple of questions and a comment

Comment: I hope Trazbonspor win a spot for the champions league

Question: Is there any team from Gemushane and what division are they in if there is a team.

Originally posted by Pontiakos
a couple of questions and a comment

Comment: I hope Trazbonspor win a spot for the champions league

Question: Is there any team from Gemushane and what division are they in if there is a team.

I believe you are refering to Gumushanespor? They are in the 2nd Division B Group B.

Originally posted by hpakel
I think Fener would need to get a really solid defensemen for next year. Not a young player, because we have a lot of young players. An experienced defensemen would be good. But I think Alpay is past his prime. He is still good, but I don't think he is what Fenerbahce are looking for.

I don't mean getting a young player and always playing him. I know Alpay is a bit old, but he's still good.

were can i find standings on Gemushanespor?

Originally posted by Pontiakos
were can i find standings on Gemushanespor?


I don't think they are even in the 2nd Division. I was just looking at our 2nd League divisions and couldn't find that team at all in the standings.

Ok sorry, they were called G.Dogan thats why I couldn't recognize their name after doing some more research I found out that they are 11th place in the 2nd league out of 17 teams.


Here is a link http://www.angelfire.com/nj/sivritepe/0304/2B26.html

This link also has the table but for some reason it is called G.Dogan and they are 11th on the table
http://www.fanatik.com.tr/futbol/fikstur/2lig/2_b_yukselme2_01.asp?PID=263

thanx

Fenerbahce Win Vs. Adanaspor

Adanaspor 1-2 Fenerbahce

Goals: Marcio Nobre (2)
Murat

and Samsunspor Win Vs. Galatsaray

Samsunspor 1-0 Galatasaray

No big changes in the standings. Here are the top 8 teams, they are as follows:
1 Fenerbahce 27 63
2 Besiktas 27 57
3 Trabzonspor 27 56
4 Denizlispor 27 48
5 Gaziantepspor 27 45
6 Galatasaray 27 41
7 Diyarbakýrspor 27 40
8 Samsunspor 27 39

Samsunspor 1 Galatasaray 0
Adanaspor 1 Fenerbahce 2
Besiktas 4 Gaziantepsor 1

No games on Sunday due to International game against Croatia on Wednesday.

Note: Derby match next week: Galatasaray v. Besiktas

actually there's no game because of elections on sunday.

Originally posted by aytacyolas
actually there's no game because of elections on sunday.

oh ok...nevermind i thought it was because of the game.

and i wanna say that nobre's a goal machine.he's so young, about 21, and he reminds me of klinsmann.he's going to be great in the future.he can play in any team in the world.

Originally posted by aytacyolas
and i wanna say that nobre's a goal machine.he's so young, about 21, and he reminds me of klinsmann.he's going to be great in the future.he can play in any team in the world.


Yes he is great, I didn't know he was that young which he doesn't look young. Probably another Jardel for the Turkish League. If he is only 21 then he will become another Van Basten in the future.

he'll be 24 in June :crazyboy:

Originally posted by hpakel
he'll be 24 in June :crazyboy:

Wow still young. He looks more like 28-29 years old. Is he in the Brazilian National team?

no he is not but he must be in Brazilian National Team..
he is goal machine:o he scored 12 goals in 11 games:crazyboy:

Originally posted by diroix
no he is not but he must be in Brazilian National Team..
he is goal machine:o he scored 12 goals in 11 games:crazyboy:


Why do I have a feeling that Fener will ruin that player ;)

which teams go to the CL and which teams go to the UEFA cup? how many european places does turkey have?

Originally posted by AhmedK
which teams go to the CL and which teams go to the UEFA cup? how many european places does turkey have?

As far as I know, I think the league champion has an automatic bid. The runner-up must go through a qualifying round. I'm not sure if the third place team even gets in the Champions League, but place 3 to 6th I believe get a chance in the UEFA Cup. If anyone else knows any different feel free to chime in. :confused:

I just checked the info on uefa.com's site. Depending on the ranking from European Clubs you can have the 3rd place league finisher qualify for Champions Leage. The League Cup winner also gets a bid for the UEFA Cup.

Depending of the standing of the leagues. The Spanish and Italian leagues are the top 2 I believe and they have more team in the UEFA Competitions. The Turkish league was 8th place which they use to go with 6 teams to Europe thanks to one team 'GALATASARAY' the Turkish Giants. But for the past 2 years things didn't go well with GALATASARAY and the league quality fell down to 10th place and now if the League finished, Fener would qualify and Besiktas would play the 3rd round to qualify. Trabzonspor and Genclerbirligi would be in the UEFA cup.

This weeks games kickoff on Saturday. The big club games are as follows:

Trabzonspor will host Istanbulspor. Trabzonspor are 1 point behind 2nd place Besiktas.

Fenerbahce take on A. Sebatspor at the Sukru Saracoglu Stadium.

And on Sunday the derby match of Galatasaray v. Besiktas. The game will be hosted by Galatasaray at the Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadium. Besiktas are in 2nd place, 6 points behind Fenerbahce.

I hope we do good against A. Sebatspor. Fener's last match against Adanaspor was a disgrace.

Yeeaaahhh!!!!!

Fenerbahce Win Vs. Akcaabat Sebatspor

Fenerbahce : 4
A.Sebatspor: 2

Goals: Tuncay , Serhat (2) , P.v.Hooijdonk
Selahattin , Oktay

Wow, great match for Serhat. I wish he could have more matches like this :(

I hope Galatasaray beats Besiktas tommorow. That would give us a big boost. Trabzon have a pretty easy match. We have to watch out.

Besiktas won vs. Galatasaray 2-1..
Still 6 points between FB and BJK..

Stupid, Stupid Ref, how can he give away that penalty. Besiktas didn't had any goal opportunity at all and played so bad and still managed to win this game. I am wondering how much they payed to that ref (Ali Aydin).

After the match Gala's president finaly have spoken against the refs. This is what he said exactly.

News reporter: (Asked a question to the president which I couldn't hear)

President: 'Would you please stop asking me questions. For the past 2 years I havn't said a word. The ref today did alot of mistakes against Galatasaray, and from now on I will not allow that ref to ref in any of our matches, he shouldn't even take the word of Galatasaray in his mouth. He is in a situation of resigning from his career.'

I hate Ali Aydin. He is the worst ref. He makes so many mistakes like in the first Fener v. Caykur Rizespor match. I wish Gala won, it would've been good for Fener.

How did Cordoba do for BJK? is he up to his usual level again? how about Mondragon?

Originally posted by LOCOlombia
How did Cordoba do for BJK? is he up to his usual level again? how about Mondragon?

Cordoba always does good. Mondragon is so-so. IMO Cordoba is alot better than Mondragon.

Originally posted by Delly
Cordoba always does good. Mondragon is so-so. IMO Cordoba is alot better than Mondragon.

cool cool, yea Córdoba is always pretty good, but lately in the National team he had some grave mistakes, hopefully he'll get back into form soon for our next game against Ecuador, him and Calero (our other keeper) are the best.

hey thanks.

Trabzonspor defeated Istanbulspor 2-0, and is still in the race for league title with just 1 point behind 2nd place Besiktas.

As for Besiktas they pick up the 3 points against Galatasaray with a 2-1 victory. Both goals were scored on penalty kicks for Besiktas. Even though Galatasaray had most of the chances. Controversy surrounded the game concerning the penaltys given as well as the calls in the game made by referee Ali Aydin.

Fenerbahce was able to pick up their win by defeating A. Sebatspor 4-2. Fenerbahce dominated most of the game and showed a pretty good performance. A Fenerbahce goal was taken away from an offside position which showed to be onside on the replay. Fenerbahce keep their lead ahead of Besiktas by 6 points for first place. Trabzonspor are very close with just 1 point behind Besiktas. You can check the standings here. (http://www.uefa.com/FootballCentral/FixturesResults/Country=TUR/League=1056/Standings.html)

f.uck you Ali Aydýn:f***:

how many games in the league? 39?

6 matches left...
total 34 matches!!

anyone know where I can find statistics on players for certain matches...or what their card suspension status is at? I went to some individual sites but I couldn't find the info. It would be much appreciated.

Galatasaray was better than besiktas. galatsaray the victory would have earned. Ali Aydin gave 2Penalty for besiktas although both no penalty was

SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH.

Also...Ali Aydin didnt Give Galatasaray a Penalty when Zago Obstructed with Hasan Sas's Path Toward the Ball in the Penalty Area Causing Hasan to go crashing to the pitch..All the turkish Soccer shows i watch say that it was a 100% penalty and if not atleast a Card to Zago. The Two Penalties given to Besiktas were Comical.:kader:

Ali Aydin has called his last game and has hung up his whistle. The once well regarded referee has quit his duties. The ironic circumstance is that Ali Aydin received an award at the beginning of the season for being a great referee. Ali Aydin also mentioned he wanted to quit after the situation of the Fenerbahce - C. Rizespor game; after not showing a player a red card after receiving 2 yellow cards prior.

Yeaaahhhhhh.

F*ck Ali Aydin. :f***: :f***: :f***: .

Very Very Very Bad Referee

HE Deserves it...Good Riddance

Originally posted by PI-AIR 17
Galatasaray was better than besiktas. galatsaray the victory would have earned. Ali Aydin gave 2Penalty for besiktas although both no penalty was

SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH.


IMO the second penalty call was a true penalty, because there was a contact to Yasin in the box. But the damn Ref didn't give the penalty to Hasan Sas.

The first penalty was a joke, I was expecting a corner, but when the speaker said 'no its a penalty...' I was laughing and surprised, I thought I was dreaming. What a joke....

This is the 29th week of the Turkish Super League. Here is the schedule for the big clubs listed below.

C. Rizespor will host Fenerbahce on Friday. Rize should be a tough opponent for Fenerbahce. The previous match result between the two sides ended with a 4-1 victory by Fenerbahce.

Galatasaray will battle with Ankaragucu on Saturday in Ankara. Gala had defeated Ankaragucu 2-1 in week 12.

Also on Saturday, Trabzonspor will fly to Bursa to take on Bursaspor. Trabzon are in 3rd, 1 point behind Besiktas. Trabzonspor had shut out Bursapor 2-0 in their last meeting.

Besiktas take on Genclerbirligi at the Inonu Stadium on Sunday. Besiktas are 6 points behind leader Fenerbahce. The result of the previous match between Besiktas and Gencler ended with a 2-1 victory for Besiktas.

can anyone who watches turkish football tell me how Elvir Bolic of Instanbulspor and Elvir Baljic of Galatasaray are doing?

lets go Besiktas...:rockman:

Well...Baljic Hasnt really played much this season...he did get in for alittle during the Besiktas Match but Terim never put him in...Hagi probably likes him so he might use him more.

Originally posted by Sanel
can anyone who watches turkish football tell me how Elvir Bolic of Instanbulspor and Elvir Baljic of Galatasaray are doing?

I believe that Bolic is one of Istanbulspors best foreign players, but I can't really say because I have not seen many of his games this year. As far as Baljic, I think he has been getting more time lately since Hagi took over for coaching. I think the Gala fans could help you out more there.

Originally posted by hpakel
I believe that Bolic is one of Istanbulspors best foreign players, but I can't really say because I have not seen many of his games this year. As far as Baljic, I think he has been getting more time lately since Hagi took over for coaching. I think the Gala fans could help you out more there.

HAHAHAHAHAH BEAT YOU TO IT!!! lol....SAKA..:crazyboy:

Originally posted by Emre_5
HAHAHAHAHAH BEAT YOU TO IT!!! lol....SAKA..:crazyboy:

damn!! :D

Fenerbahce lost 1-0 against Rize.. Rize scored at 86th min..
so the table will change so much if Besiktas wins tomorrow..If they win all of their games, they'll be the champions..

YES!!!!! BESIKTAS BETTER WIN......

Shiitttt. Tuncay Was Very Bad. But I Hope Genclerbirligi Wins Besiktas .

Galatasaray lost to MKE Ankaragucu 1-0..
Goal min. 69 Umut..

OMG they're doin' soo bad..

Besiktas 2 - 1 Genclerbirligi, second half still continues.

Games of week 29:

Fenerbahce lose a tough one against Rizespor 1-0, with a late goal scored by Rize in the 86th minute.

Trabzonspor defeat Bursaspor 2-1, moving to 2nd place in the league with 62 pionts.

Galatasaray drop another game, this one to Ankaragucu 1-0.

Genclerbirligi and Besiktas draw at 2-2. Besiktas picked up their second goal near the 90th minute, picking up 1 point.

Changes have been made in the standings as Trabzonspor move to 2nd place 1 point ahead of Besiktas. Genclerbirligi also made a significant move from 11th to 8th place. The standings from 6th to 11th place are very tight as of now. You can check the latest standings here. (http://www.uefa.com/FootballCentral/FixturesResults/Country=tur/League=1056/Standings.html)

thanks for the info guys. ;)

whos most likely to be the champion this year?

The Best Match Of The Year In The Turkish Superlig becomes the match Fenerbahce vs. Besiktas.

WE ARE THE CHAAMMPIIOOONNN.

OOHHH FENERBAHCE OHHHH FENERBAHCE

I originally was not going to post this but I have to get it off my chest.

I have never seen a team complain so much other the Besiktas. What really got me upset was the comments made after the Gencler and Besiktas game. Ahmet Yildirim accues the Fenerbahce Club President, Aziz Yildirim, of buying the referee of the game. I understand of Besiktas players being upset at some calls, but be professional about it and don't whine like a little baby on an interview after the game. Let the managers of the Besiktas club take out their complaints to the Federation if they feel the need to. And what really made me look at this team, who were champions last year, in disgust was the hand gestures made by Zago at the end of the game to the camera at the Fenerbahce Club. If you saw it you know what I am talking about. The last Fenerbahce game, there were 2 bad calls where an offside was given, it was not even a close call, they were obvious bad calls. The Fener players didn't go up to the referee after the game and curse him out nor did we accuse anyone. We let the managers handle that and take it up with the federation. Because of what these players have done, I have no respect for Besiktas as a club. An apology would be necessary, not an apology to me personally but just for what was said and done, its just very unprofessional. I would expect some kind of fine for those players or suspension. The federation needs to take a stand or it will get out of control and less focus will be on the actually game itself. Yes bad calls were made all year. The federation needs to find a way to improve the officials for the following years to come. Thank You.

Originally posted by hpakel
I originally was not going to post this but I have to get it off my chest.

And what really made me look at this team, who were champions last year, in disgust was the hand gestures made by Zago at the end of the game to the camera at the Fenerbahce Club. If you saw it you know what I am talking about. The last Fenerbahce game, there were 2 bad calls where an offside was given, it was not even a close call, they were obvious bad calls. The Fener players didn't go up to the referee after the game and curse him out nor did we accuse anyone. .

What did Zago do? I didnt see it and i watched the game but i didnt watch any of the follow up shows like 91. Dakkika or Maraton.

after the game as they were walking off the field he turned to the camera and made this hand gesture, not sure but it might be you know a brazilian thing, and his said something Fenerbahce. Couldn't understand the second word he said. But it was obvious he wasn't saying hi.

ohh true....:f***:

This Weeks Schedule. (Wk. 30)

Friday
Galatasaray - Denizlispor
Previous Score:
Galatasaray 1 Denizlispor 2

Saturday
Elazigspor - Trabzonspor
Previous Score:
Elazigspor 2 Trabzonspor 2

Konyaspor - Besiktas
Previous Score:
Konyaspor 1 Besiktas 1

Sunday
Fenerbahce - Samsunspor
Previous Score:
Fenerbahce 0 Samsunspor 3

Elvir Bolic scored for Istanbulspor!!! :rockman:

Weekly Roundup(i expected one of the fenerbache fans to do it but since they tied i guess not.)

Galatasaray 4-3 Denizlispor

Gençlerbirliði 1 - 2 Ankaragücü

Elazýðspor 0 - 3 Trabzonspor

Konyaspor 2 - 2 Beþiktaþ

Fenerbahçe 1 - 1 Samsunspor


1 Fenerbahçe 67
2 Trabzonspor 65
3 Beþiktaþ 62
4 Denizlispor 54
5 Gaziantepspor 48
6 Galatasaray 44
7 Ankaragücü 42
8 Malatyaspor 41

Fenerbache tied with Samsunspor so next week if they lose to Besiktas and Trabzon win...Trabzon will be in first......

LETS GO TRABZON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:rockman: :rockman: :rockman: :rockman: :rockman:

FInaly Galatasaray won after 5 games loosing.

Besiktas and Fenerbahce loosing 2 points each Trabzonspor has the shot of being the champions after 20 years. My pick is Trabzonspor for this year. Fenerbahce loosing form already which the players seem in stress and Besiktas lost its form since the second half of this season. Trabzon has won their 9th game in a row if I am not mistaking and they will go all the way in this league.

Galatasaray has to find about $30-40 million for new transfers, and I don't think we will be able to find that kind of money unless some rich gala fans steps out and hands the money for our new transfers.

Friday 20.00 Malatyaspor Galatasaray 1 - 2
Saturday 15.30 Ç.Rizespor A. Sebatspor
Saturday15.30 Ýstanbulspor Gaziantepspor
Saturday 15.30 Bursaspor Elazýðspor
Saturday 19.00 Trabzonspor Diyarbakýrspor
Sunday 15.30 Samsunspor Adanaspor
Sunday 15.30 Ankaragücü Konyaspor
Sunday 15.30 Denizlispor Gençlerbirliði
Sunday 19.00 Beþiktaþ Fenerbahçe

Match Of The Year In The Turkish Super Lig Is The Match:

Besiktas-Fenerbahce

I Say Besiktas 1-3 Fenerbahce

Goals P.v.Hooijdonk, Serhat(2)
Pancu

Go Fenerbahce Goooo

Trabzon 2-0 Diyarbakirspor

Hopefully Besiktas can beat Fener tommorow

LETS GO KARA KARTAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah ,the big giant is coming back!!This giant is of course Galatasaray!!Gheorghe Hagi is the man that Galatasaray needed:rockman:

If fenerbahce this play win then you believe I also champ's
sorry for my bad english
http://www.ajansspor.com/resim/flash/kadr_drb001.jpg

Originally posted by Emre_5
Trabzon 2-0 Diyarbakirspor

Hopefully Besiktas can beat Fener tommorow

LETS GO KARA KARTAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they draw, its going to be better for Trabzonspor.

I Say Besiktas 1-3 Fenerbahce

Goals P.v.Hooijdonk, Serhat(2)
Pancu

Go Fenerbahce Goooo [/B]

Hey good call on that prediction.


Yasa Fenerbahce!!!:rockman:

Originally posted by hpakel
Hey good call on that prediction.


Yasa Fenerbahce!!!:rockman:

Yes Thx.

But I Have P.v.Hooijdonk Not Right The Goal Scored Tuncay

Besiktas 1-3 Fenerbahce:
Goals From Serhat(2),Tuncay
Adrian Ilie

Yeaaahhhh.

Thx Christoph Daum. Fenerbahce Has Played Good Football

Guzel Guzel Fener!

Fenerbahce have easy matches for the last 3 matches of the season. Ankaragucu then Denizilispor then Malaytaspor. Easy matches compared to what Trabzonspor have (Gazientepspor, Galatasaray, Genclerbirligi). I hope we are champions. Daum has remade our dynasty...

Originally posted by Delly
Guzel Guzel Fener!

Fenerbahce have easy matches for the last 3 matches of the season. Ankaragucu then Denizilispor then Malaytaspor. Easy matches compared to what Trabzonspor have (Gazientepspor, Galatasaray, Genclerbirligi). I hope we are champions. Daum has remade our dynasty...

Denizli And Ankargücü Are Very Good Teams.
But We Are The Championnsss..... (I Hope it)

Originally posted by Delly
Guzel Guzel Fener!

Fenerbahce have easy matches for the last 3 matches of the season. Ankaragucu then Denizilispor then Malaytaspor. Easy matches compared to what Trabzonspor have (Gazientepspor, Galatasaray, Genclerbirligi). I hope we are champions. Daum has remade our dynasty...

Denizlispor is 4th on the table and Ankaragucu is not to bad as you think, so don't be sure about it yet. Trabzonspor has some few tough games but for the past few months they are playing some great football. Its not over till its over.

Originally posted by TURK_1975
Denizlispor is 4th on the table and Ankaragucu is not to bad as you think, so don't be sure about it yet. Trabzonspor has some few tough games but for the past few months they are playing some great football. Its not over till its over.

I'm saying compared to Trabzonspor's matches, Fener's would be a bit easier.

Fenerbahce:3 Ankaragücü:1
Gaziantepspor:1 Trabzonspor:2
Adanaspor:1 Besiktas:0

The Goals From Fenerbahce Scored Semih And P.v.Hooijdonk(2)

1 Fenerbahçe 32 22 7 3 76 37 73
2 Trabzonspor 32 22 5 5 56 32 71
3 Besiktas 32 18 8 6 65 42 62
4 Denizlispor 32 17 4 11 51 35 55
5 Gaziantepspor 32 16 3 13 46 49 51
6 Galatasaray 31 13 8 10 47 42 47
7 Ankaragücü 32 13 6 13 45 48 45
8 Gençlerbirligi 32 12 7 13 54 47 43
9 Samsunspor 31 12 7 12 44 44 43
10 Malatyaspor 32 10 12 10 46 35 42
11 Konyaspor 32 9 14 9 50 51 41
12 Diyarbakirspor 31 11 7 13 42 47 40
13 Rizespor 31 12 3 16 33 47 39
14 Istanbulspor 31 9 7 15 39 43 34
15 Akcaabat 31 8 9 14 39 51 33
16 Bursaspor 31 7 10 14 32 38 31
17 Elazigspor 31 5 7 19 35 73 22
18 Adanaspor 32 4 4 24 32 71 16

Haha, Besiktas lost to Adanaspor :hump: I hope that Fener's next match is a win, and Trabzon's is a loss or draw.

SARI LACIVERT SAMPIYON FENER!

Yeeeaahhhh

WE ARE THE CHAMPION

Fenerbahce Is Champion In The Turkish Super League 2003-2004

Congradulations, wishing Fenerbahce and Trabzonspor the best in the Champions League next year.

Originally posted by TURK_1975
Congradulations, wishing Fenerbahce and Trabzonspor the best in the Champions League next year.

thank you..and good luck next year.

FENERBAHCE!!! Simdi 3 yildiz oldu!!!

Christoph Daum is great, I hope he stays.

Thx Cristoph Daum.
Thx Van Hooijdonk.
Thx All.

The new Fener kits with the 3 stars are out!

http://www.fenerbahce.org/images/newsimages/ucyildizformafenerium300.jpg

Originally posted by Delly
The new Fener kits with the 3 stars are out!

http://www.fenerbahce.org/images/newsimages/ucyildizformafenerium300.jpg

no offense but thats an ugly way to put the 3 stars....just do it like everyone else...damn why must fener always be different

actually different is cool....but that presentation does degrade the accomplishment

Congratulations to Fenerbahçe. (H)

Originally posted by Punkt
Congratulations to Fenerbahçe. (H)

thanks...those new shirts just look like the proto-types..its not even sewn on. I think the real ones the players will wear for next year will look better.

Originally posted by Emre_5
no offense but thats an ugly way to put the 3 stars....just do it like everyone else...damn why must fener always be different

Always the same last we make boring always everything differently is also better like that!!!:rockman:


Originally posted by Pontiakos
actually different is cool....but that presentation does degrade the accomplishment

Yes Thats Right!!!!:rockman:



Originally posted by Punkt
Congratulations to Fenerbahçe. (H)

thanks!! congratulate benfica for the marvelous stadium. The Stadium is Very Fantastic!!:rockman:

And This are the stars in Original

http://www.fenerbahce.org/images/newsimages/ucyildizformafenerium300x2.jpg

It looks nice, but I think they should take the 2003-04 Sampiyon thing out. Would look better.

Originally posted by Delly
It looks nice, but I think they should take the 2003-04 Sampiyon thing out. Would look better.

yea i agree

does galatasaray get a spot in uefa cup atleast? :(

this sucks so much.

champions of uefa cup 2000 (beating arsenal in penalty shootout) to 6th place in the league? :kader:

Why the hell did they want to make a new stadium?? are they going back to the old stadium?

how the hell did they get it so much debt??

someone plz explain. :f***: :f***: :f***:

Originally posted by TURK_1975
There is no way that Gala can offer more money than Fener, just like Tunjay, Fener offered him more money and he denied Gala. All the Gala players are playing for their team, not for money. Hasan Sas is one of them, Hakan Sukur. We don't want players to come in for money, we want them to come in for Gala. :)

Well then you're not going to get players. You think sukur loves galatasaray or something? He can't make it anywhere else in the world because he is lazy, and misses so many chances. He came to gala because no 1 else wanted him.

Hasan Sas is scared to leave Turkey, just like rustu was, and shouldn't have.

Originally posted by shy_guy329
does galatasaray get a spot in uefa cup atleast? :(

this sucks so much.

champions of uefa cup 2000 (beating arsenal in penalty shootout) to 6th place in the league? :kader:

Why the hell did they want to make a new stadium?? are they going back to the old stadium?

how the hell did they get it so much debt??

someone plz explain. :f***: :f***: :f***:

Not trying to start a fight or anything... but you guys need to get over uefa cup 2000, that was a long time ago, times have changed, and you can't hide behind that anymore. Thats galatasaray's arguement to everything.

^^ do you have answers to any of my questions though? :o

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
Well then you're not going to get players. You think sukur loves galatasaray or something? He can't make it anywhere else in the world because he is lazy, and misses so many chances. He came to gala because no 1 else wanted him.

Hasan Sas is scared to leave Turkey, just like rustu was, and shouldn't have.

Are you sure you're watching the Turkish league? Because Hakan Sukur is not lazy, he helps the midfield as well and scores goals. Hakan Sukur is one of the best stiker for Turkey. Our national team has to find a stiker like Sukur. Hakan Sukur loves Galatasaray, wha are you talking about?

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
Not trying to start a fight or anything... but you guys need to get over uefa cup 2000, that was a long time ago, times have changed, and you can't hide behind that anymore. Thats galatasaray's arguement to everything.

WOW Fenerbache has won 2 championships in the past 10 years and now they become god....they won the league this year congrats but don't think that your team is THAT good. Besiktas should have won the league but they choked and handed it to you and Fener nearly did the same to Trabzonspor. As for Galatasaray, you are trying to start a fight, why else would you bring this up? the Man just asked simple questions, there was no need for you to go off and say you have to get over it, he just said that Galatasaray has declined since it won the UEFA Cup in 2000.

I don't understand why you have to come hear and start trouble the boards were very peaceful and everyone was respecting everyone in this thread and now u come and try to start trouble just back off man....:kader:

Sorry for posting 3 times in a row but...

This was a very interesting season in the Turkish Super League. Fenerbahce in the end deserves this championship, although we came back from being 11 points behind besiktas, we fought for this and a big thank you to the club, the management, the fans ... we've won it.

It is sad to see how poorly galatasaray did this season. I never like to see such sucessfull and big clubs such as galatasaray fall like this. I also feel bad for Fatih Terim, he really is an excellent coach and has done so much for this club. There was nothing fatih terim could have done for galatasaray this season. Terim is a smart man, and he knows exactly what he's doing. Galatasaray made a HUGE HUGE mistake by pressuring him to resign, their second HUGE mistake was getting Hagi as coach :kader:. Full respect to Hagi for being such an amazing football player, BUT lets face it, the best aren't always good at coaching. Hagi resigned from bursaspor earliar this season, after making big promises to the club and the fans of gauranteed success, obviously this wasn't true, as bursaspor is now moving down from the Turkish Super League. Hagi has no coaching expierence, he is new to it, and honestly just because he was an amazing player it doesn't mean he can coach. Galatasaray is a huge club and they need to find a more expierenced and bigger name coach for this club. Hagi WILL be gone for next season, if not gala is in for some worse times. The reason I feel Fatih Terim should have stayed with this gala is because after a horrible start for Galatasaray, fatih terim knew the championship was out of reach, terim leaned towards a new youthfull team, which would have payed off in the future. He was getting rid of players like bulent korkmaz who has NO place what so ever on Gala, or the turkish league. He is a dirty player with a HORRIBLE attitude, sukur was sitting, arif was gone, all these old players that are WAY passed their prime were finally gone. This may have looked awkward to gala fans and management, but terim was looking towards the future, and would have developed a great new, young galatasaray for next season.

Besiktas needs to get rid of lucesscu. His approach to winning the league was horrible, i've never seen a coach whine and cry so much in my life. Besiktas saw 4 red cards against samsunspor a little bit past halfway point of the season, and went downhill from there. If you watched that game every red card was deserved as besiktas lost their cool and self control. Instead of boosting the team moral, lucesscu whined and whined about the reffing. Besiktas needs a very VERY strict coach, unlike lucesscu.
Don't get me wrong, lucesscu has done great thinks for besiktas, but i think it is time he leaves.

Looking at Champs league for fenerbahce, I'm not getting my hopes up. We honestly do have the capacity to be great compeditors in Europe but for some reason we always screw up in europe. The only club that has really mastered europe is Galatasaray, no matter how bad their team is doing they can handle a european match better than any other turkish club. Hopefully Fenerbahce can get out of the first round in CL, and hopefully trabzonspor can qualify. As it stands, Fenerbahce has a great coach, a lot of money, and a strong squad. We need to get a few strong mid fielders. Stick with volkan Fenerbahce! He is going to be great.

Wow I wrote a lot, but those are my thoughts.

Originally posted by TURK_1975
Are you sure you're watching the Turkish league? Because Hakan Sukur is not lazy, he helps the midfield as well and scores goals. Hakan Sukur is one of the best stiker for Turkey. Our national team has to find a stiker like Sukur. Hakan Sukur loves Galatasaray, wha are you talking about?

Oh yah Sukur lead us so well in world cup hey? And NO Sukur is not the best striker in Turkey, Nihat is 100 times the player sukur is. I have watched every game this season, and he's not as lazy as he's been before, but he still misses so many chances, and doesn't suit gala at all.

Originally posted by Emre_5
WOW Fenerbache has won 2 championships in the past 10 years and now they become god....they won the league this year congrats but don't think that your team is THAT good. Besiktas should have won the league but they choked and handed it to you and Fener nearly did the same to Trabzonspor. As for Galatasaray, you are trying to start a fight, why else would you bring this up? the Man just asked simple questions, there was no need for you to go off and say you have to get over it, he just said that Galatasaray has declined since it won the UEFA Cup in 2000.

I don't understand why you have to come hear and start trouble the boards were very peaceful and everyone was respecting everyone in this thread and now u come and try to start trouble just back off man....:kader:

I'm not saying my team is THAT good. I also haven't started a fight? Right now I feel that Fener has the strongest squad in Turkey. Besiktas SHOULD have won the league but they choked? Well Fenerbahce WON the league because they fought hard, and had an amazing 2nd half of the season. We can't say should have, it's football.

thanks for explaining everything _ReNoS_ :)

so is Galatasaray moving back to their old stadium? :o

yeah, hagi as coach just doesn't sound right.

I hope gala improves next season (what's the starting date for next season?) . :)

no gala in champions league = no live matches for me to watch since I live in Canada

oh well. better luck next season for gala. :rockman:

Yah well I live in Canada, and I watch every match. If you really like them you should invest in the DFH satilite system.

If you want to keep updated and watch videos of the game, and read news in english go to
http://www.geocities.com/galahell/

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
Yah well I live in Canada, and I watch every match. If you really like them you should invest in the DFH satilite system.

If you want to keep updated and watch videos of the game, and read news in english go to
http://www.geocities.com/galahell/

I'll think about it.

What city do you live in? :o

so what teams go to uefa cup from turkish league? :confused:

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
Oh yah Sukur lead us so well in world cup hey? And NO Sukur is not the best striker in Turkey, Nihat is 100 times the player sukur is. I have watched every game this season, and he's not as lazy as he's been before, but he still misses so many chances, and doesn't suit gala at all.

hahahahaha Nihat is not a striker, he is an attaking midfield. Think again b4 speaking ;)

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
Not trying to start a fight or anything... but you guys need to get over uefa cup 2000, that was a long time ago, times have changed, and you can't hide behind that anymore. Thats galatasaray's arguement to everything.

I don't agree with you at all. History lives and will live in our hearts. Galatasaray have brought our county's points up so now we have 2 teams in the CL and 2 teams in the UEFA Cup. If I am not mistaking we had 5 teams in the UEFA Turnaments last season. + Galatasaray didn't loose in Ali Samiyen for 20 games in a row in the UEFA Compatition + Galatasaray have won the UEFA and the Super Cup (remember Jardel's goal against Real Madrid) + Galatasaray have played the quarter finals in the CL. Who is the better team?

Also last year fener was 6th place. In the past years fener did so bad which I can't imagine. Galatasaray is also going tough times now, but coming season I think Hagi will succed if we get good players.

oh yea Fener you guys have to first think about getting a point in the CL or UEFA before thinking about advanceing...:crazyboy:

Originally posted by Emre_5
oh yea Fener you guys have to first think about getting a point in the CL or UEFA before thinking about advanceing...:crazyboy:

Haha yah I guess so. And gala has to worry about staying in the super league and not moving down divisions.

Originally posted by TURK_1975
hahahahaha Nihat is not a striker, he is an attaking midfield. Think again b4 speaking ;)

I'm saying nihat could replace sukur 100 times. Sukur is so tall and he can't even jump, he's done, gone, and the only reason he had to beg to play for gala is because no 1 else wants him

Originally posted by TURK_1975
I don't agree with you at all. History lives and will live in our hearts. Galatasaray have brought our county's points up so now we have 2 teams in the CL and 2 teams in the UEFA Cup. If I am not mistaking we had 5 teams in the UEFA Turnaments last season. + Galatasaray didn't loose in Ali Samiyen for 20 games in a row in the UEFA Compatition + Galatasaray have won the UEFA and the Super Cup (remember Jardel's goal against Real Madrid) + Galatasaray have played the quarter finals in the CL. Who is the better team?

Also last year fener was 6th place. In the past years fener did so bad which I can't imagine. Galatasaray is also going tough times now, but coming season I think Hagi will succed if we get good players.

Is it your goal to start a fight over nothing? I have been respectful, so lets not let this get out of hand. I'm not trying to compare fener's european success to gala's, because you guys have it and we don't. The difference between me and YOU, is that i addmit things. So what if fener came in 6th place last season? We won the league this season, we're talking NOW, not the past, the past is gone. So if you can sit there and tell me that gala is a better team than fener you have issues.

Wake up, its not year 2000 anymore, you're in 6th place and in financial problems.

"but coming season I think Hagi will succed if we get good players."

Yes, but its hard to find good players for 50 liras.

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
"but coming season I think Hagi will succed if we get good players."

Yes, but its hard to find good players for 50 liras.

heh.

how did gala get into all this financial trouble in the first place? :confused:

Originally posted by TURK_1975
Hakan Sukur is one of the best stiker for Turkey. Our national team has to find a stiker like Sukur.

So we need a striker who has hardly any speed and can only head a ball? Wow.

Many Turkish strikers are better than Sukur NOW, not in the past. Look at the strikers Turkey has that are better than him. Ilhan, Tuncay, Serhat, Fatih Tekke. I can probably name some second division strikers better than Sukur but I won't. Oh, and don't start a fight saying that Tuncay isn't a striker, because he is. He might play in midfield sometimes because he can.

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
I'm saying nihat could replace sukur 100 times. Sukur is so tall and he can't even jump, he's done, gone, and the only reason he had to beg to play for gala is because no 1 else wants him

He can't jump? I guess you forgot his goal against Belgium in the EURO 2000. And I guess you forgot all his headers. He is the best goal scorer from headers in the world. I havn't seen a player yet in my life that can place the ball on his head, jump and score.

Originally posted by Delly
So we need a striker who has hardly any speed and can only head a ball? Wow.

Many Turkish strikers are better than Sukur NOW, not in the past. Look at the strikers Turkey has that are better than him. Ilhan, Tuncay, Serhat, Fatih Tekke. I can probably name some second division strikers better than Sukur but I won't. Oh, and don't start a fight saying that Tuncay isn't a striker, because he is. He might play in midfield sometimes because he can.

Ilhan is better than SUkur? Don't make me laugh man, your funny guy. What did Ilhan do so far for Turkey or in the Turkish Super League? How many goals did he score so far and how many goals did Galatasaray's king score? Tuncay is not a striker, he is an attacking midfield or a forward, there is a difference between a striker and a forward player, Serhat forget about that little ****, Fatih Tekke is good but not better then Sukur, how many goals did he score and what did he do so far for Turkey? And he still has 7-8 years more to go, I believe he is still 25 years old. Hakan Sukur is getting old to retire. He did alot to Turkish Football.

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
Is it your goal to start a fight over nothing? I have been respectful, so lets not let this get out of hand. I'm not trying to compare fener's european success to gala's, because you guys have it and we don't. The difference between me and YOU, is that i addmit things. So what if fener came in 6th place last season? We won the league this season, we're talking NOW, not the past, the past is gone. So if you can sit there and tell me that gala is a better team than fener you have issues.

Wake up, its not year 2000 anymore, you're in 6th place and in financial problems.

No, what I am trying to say is that any team can go through tough times. And what is it that makes us start a fight? Which sentence makes us start a fight? Are you dreaming or someting?

And the difference between you and me hahahah funny, you really admit things? :D Then admit that Gala has more success than your bird brain team.....

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
I'm saying nihat could replace sukur 100 times. Sukur is so tall and he can't even jump, he's done, gone, and the only reason he had to beg to play for gala is because no 1 else wants him

No Nihat can't replace him, he is not a striker, let me ask you this. Who will replace Nihat if he replaces Sukur?

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
Oh yah Sukur lead us so well in world cup hey? And NO Sukur is not the best striker in Turkey, Nihat is 100 times the player sukur is. I have watched every game this season, and he's not as lazy as he's been before, but he still misses so many chances, and doesn't suit gala at all.

This tells me that you don't know anything about football. 2-3 defence was covering Hakan Sukur in the World Cup, how can he score goals easily. Hakan Sukur did his job perfectly, he took 2-3 defencemen and let the others leave open and others scored the most of the goals.

Originally posted by TURK_1975
No, what I am trying to say is that any team can go through tough times. And what is it that makes us start a fight? Which sentence makes us start a fight? Are you dreaming or someting?

And the difference between you and me hahahah funny, you really admit things? :D Then admit that Gala has more success than your bird brain team.....

More success than my bird brain team? Oh my, I already addmitted Galatasaray has more success than Fenerbahce in Europe. Now please don't compare your team to mine. As it stands your owner is soon going to hit the streets begging for money, you cant afford a stadium, your 25 000 seat stad can't even be compared to Fenerbahce's which is 1 of the top in Europe. Our subs could replace your starting 11. Now you asked how you started a fight? Well "bird brain team" would help. But honestly it's a stupid comparison, and I didn't even insult your club until now.

As for sukur please shut up about him. He is the most over rated player in Turkey. He left for european teams and couldn't survive. He is lazy, and considering his height he can't even jump.

So what if he was covered by 3 men at WC? What do you think all the great players have to put up with, ªaban (sukur) isn't the only player that gets covered that heavily, they all manage, not completey screw up and barely move.

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
More success than my bird brain team? Oh my, I already addmitted Galatasaray has more success than Fenerbahce in Europe. Now please don't compare your team to mine. As it stands your owner is soon going to hit the streets begging for money, you cant afford a stadium, your 25 000 seat stad can't even be compared to Fenerbahce's which is 1 of the top in Europe. Our subs could replace your starting 11. Now you asked how you started a fight? Well "bird brain team" would help. But honestly it's a stupid comparison, and I didn't even insult your club until now.

As for sukur please shut up about him. He is the most over rated player in Turkey. He left for european teams and couldn't survive. He is lazy, and considering his height he can't even jump.

So what if he was covered by 3 men at WC? What do you think all the great players have to put up with, ªaban (sukur) isn't the only player that gets covered that heavily, they all manage, not completey screw up and barely move.


I didn't know you were going to get this upset when I called your team a bird brain, but its true.

About Hakan Sukur, he did alot for Turkish Soccer. He went to other clubs thats true and he wasn't successfull and that is true as well, but look at Ronaldo, is he successfull in Real Madrid? Some players hs to be at their home team to be successfull. Hakan Sukur was successfull in Galatasaray, don't forget the UEFA Cup and 4 times in a row turkish champs, and now he is getting old, but just watch and see, he will still be in the first 11 for Turkey. He will be a legend in the Turkish team. When did Ilhan got noticed? when he was 25? Well Hakan Sukur was noticed when he was 18 years old. Ilhan or the others that you have mentioned are not even close to Hakan Sukur. Turkish soccer needs a striker like Hakan Sukur or we will be in great danger. What you think Tunjay will cover his spot? Nihat? No way man, who will score our hearders? who will press the oponent's defence? who will jump and get the ball from the keeper's hands and score? Tunjay is an awsome player but he is an attacking midfield and he is terrible at defending, he doesn't do any pressing against the oppocision, Nihat does it but he is not tall like Sukur.

Originally posted by TURK_1975
I didn't know you were going to get this upset when I called your team a bird brain, but its true.

About Hakan Sukur, he did alot for Turkish Soccer. He went to other clubs thats true and he wasn't successfull and that is true as well, but look at Ronaldo, is he successfull in Real Madrid? Some players hs to be at their home team to be successfull. Hakan Sukur was successfull in Galatasaray, don't forget the UEFA Cup and 4 times in a row turkish champs, and now he is getting old, but just watch and see, he will still be in the first 11 for Turkey. He will be a legend in the Turkish team. When did Ilhan got noticed? when he was 25? Well Hakan Sukur was noticed when he was 18 years old. Ilhan or the others that you have mentioned are not even close to Hakan Sukur. Turkish soccer needs a striker like Hakan Sukur or we will be in great danger. What you think Tunjay will cover his spot? Nihat? No way man, who will score our hearders? who will press the oponent's defence? who will jump and get the ball from the keeper's hands and score? Tunjay is an awsome player but he is an attacking midfield and he is terrible at defending, he doesn't do any pressing against the oppocision, Nihat does it but he is not tall like Sukur.

I can't say I don't have some respect for sukur, but watching him play really upsets me sometimes. How lazy and slow he is. I didn't say ilhan was amazing, because he isn't. His attitude is horrible, and he doesn't suite the turkish football, this is why he's playing in japan. He is very fast though, he creates a lot of open space, and frustrates defenders even when he's not scoring. Sukur has to go, and Turkiye is not in danger at all, we have such strong young players that actually RUN, and work HARD, sukur is good for moral, and expeirence.

I'm not putting down sukur because he's galatasarayli, i'm not a fanatic in that way. Hasan Sas is a player I think has amazing skill, works hard, but has a bad attitude and takes unneccessary fouls, if he didn't get so down on himself, and would have left Turkiye to play for a bigger club when the time was right, he'd be even more amazing than he is. If gala plays umit karan more, I honestly think he could be on the national team, even as a sub, we need explosive fast players like him. The fact that sukur is galatasarayli doesn't affect the way I think about him at all.

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
I can't say I don't have some respect for sukur, but watching him play really upsets me sometimes. How lazy and slow he is. I didn't say ilhan was amazing, because he isn't. His attitude is horrible, and he doesn't suite the turkish football, this is why he's playing in japan. He is very fast though, he creates a lot of open space, and frustrates defenders even when he's not scoring. Sukur has to go, and Turkiye is not in danger at all, we have such strong young players that actually RUN, and work HARD, sukur is good for moral, and expeirence.

I'm not putting down sukur because he's galatasarayli, i'm not a fanatic in that way. Hasan Sas is a player I think has amazing skill, works hard, but has a bad attitude and takes unneccessary fouls, if he didn't get so down on himself, and would have left Turkiye to play for a bigger club when the time was right, he'd be even more amazing than he is. If gala plays umit karan more, I honestly think he could be on the national team, even as a sub, we need explosive fast players like him. The fact that sukur is galatasarayli doesn't affect the way I think about him at all.



I agree most of what you have said, ;) but you have also said that Ilhan creates open spaces so as the other matching forwards like Tuncay, Umit Karan, Arif was one of them too, but I have to state this clearly, why do you think they create open spaces, I think it is because of Sukur which 3 defenders cover him and others gets the open spaces easily. Ok he is not that fast but if you compare him to the other tall strikers like Vieri, Hojdonk, Jardel...... Hakan is still faster in my openion. I have seen him press the defenders alot. Yes he had some lazy games which I remember when playing for Turkey, but every player has those kinds of matches in their football life.

Soon we will have national games against Avustralya and South Korea and this is the Turkish National team.

Ü.Özat, F.Akyel, Tuncay, Serhat, Volkan, Ali Güneþ (Fenerbahçe), F.Tekke, Tolga, Mehmet Yýlmaz (Trabzon), Hakan Þükür, Bülent, Hasan Þaþ (Galatasaray), Ömer, Ý.Toraman (Gaziantepspor), Deniz, Serkan (Gençlerbirliði), Ý.Üzülmez (Beþiktaþ), M.Hacýoðlu (Diyarbakýr), Zafer (Konya), Koray (Rize), Rüþtü (Barcelona), Okan, Emre (Inter), Nihat (R.Sociedad), Yýldýray (Leverkusen), Ü.Davala (W.Bremen), Hamit (Schalk), Önder (S.Liege)


If I was a coach, this is what I would play with

------------------------ Volkan

------- Fatih Akyel ---- Tolga ---- Uzulmez

-------------------------Toraman


--------------- Yildiray --- Emre

Nihat ----------------------------------- Hasan Sas


---------------------------- Tuncay

--------------Hakan Sukur

Originally posted by TURK_1975
Soon we will have national games against Avustralya and South Korea and this is the Turkish National team.

Ü.Özat, F.Akyel, Tuncay, Serhat, Volkan, Ali Güneþ (Fenerbahçe), F.Tekke, Tolga, Mehmet Yýlmaz (Trabzon), Hakan Þükür, Bülent, Hasan Þaþ (Galatasaray), Ömer, Ý.Toraman (Gaziantepspor), Deniz, Serkan (Gençlerbirliði), Ý.Üzülmez (Beþiktaþ), M.Hacýoðlu (Diyarbakýr), Zafer (Konya), Koray (Rize), Rüþtü (Barcelona), Okan, Emre (Inter), Nihat (R.Sociedad), Yýldýray (Leverkusen), Ü.Davala (W.Bremen), Hamit (Schalk), Önder (S.Liege)


If I was a coach, this is what I would play with

------------------------ Volkan

------- Fatih Akyel ---- Tolga ---- Uzulmez

-------------------------Toraman


--------------- Yildiray --- Emre

Nihat ----------------------------------- Hasan Sas


---------------------------- Tuncay

--------------Hakan Sukur

Man he's a pretty good defensive deffender but all last season, and this season for Fenerbahce, I haven't seen him make 1 decent pass. All he does is give it away, he's not reliable at all

I like your formation and players, but I think replacing fatih with ozat would be perfect. Sukur needs to be there for sure, because for some reason defenders fear him, and he has a lot of expierence which would be inspirational to the younger turks.

Hasan sas for sure, I love him, but he deffinitely needs to get back into game form. Maybe he shouldn't start so quickly, but then again friendly's are the best place to start.

I love volkan, but nothing can replace Rustu. Rustu is a solid keeper, THE BEST in the world going through some really rough times, the poor guy has to leave barca go to another big club, or come back to fenerbahce. I still feel Rustu needs to start for us.

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
Man he's a pretty good defensive deffender but all last season, and this season for Fenerbahce, I haven't seen him make 1 decent pass. All he does is give it away, he's not reliable at all

I like your formation and players, but I think replacing fatih with ozat would be perfect. Sukur needs to be there for sure, because for some reason defenders fear him, and he has a lot of expierence which would be inspirational to the younger turks.

Hasan sas for sure, I love him, but he deffinitely needs to get back into game form. Maybe he shouldn't start so quickly, but then again friendly's are the best place to start.

I love volkan, but nothing can replace Rustu. Rustu is a solid keeper, THE BEST in the world going through some really rough times, the poor guy has to leave barca go to another big club, or come back to fenerbahce. I still feel Rustu needs to start for us.


I would go with Ali Güneþ then, Ali Gunes is way better than Akyel, and instead Sas, I can go with Nihat and put Okan on the right side. Hakan Sukur needs another year or two, I don't think he will make it to the 2006 World Cup line up, but untill then, I think we need him. About Rustu, yes you are right he is great and I also love him, he should defenately start but I want another Rustu as soon as possible, thats why I would like Volkan to play the friendly matches.

My opinion on the Turkey formation.

---------------VOLKAN-----------------

---UZELMEZ--OZAT--TOLGA---------

YILDIRAY--TORAMAN--EMRE--SAS
--------NIHAT---TUNCAY------------

---------------ZAFER-------------------

SUBS
Sukur
Hamit
F.Tekke
Okan Yilmaz
Ali Gunes
Bulent
Rustu
Serhat
Okan
Mehmet Yilmaz
Davala
Serkan

Delly since when have u been a Fener Fan??? J/W

Originally posted by Emre_5
Delly since when have u been a Fener Fan??? J/W

I've always been a Fener fan, haven't you noticed :confused: . My display name used to be "#1 Fenerbache Fan" .

Ohh I didnt notice my bad....

------------------------Rustu-------------------------

Umit Davala-----Uzulmez-----Umit Ozat-------Fatih Akyel

Yildiray------Hamit Altintop-----Emre

Nihat----------Tuncay

Sukur

I know im gonna get alot of grief for putting Hamit Altintop in the starting 11 but the kid is a beast he just gets every ball in the middle and i know hes only 21 but i think the more experience he gets playing with Emre, Yildiray, Nihat, Tuncay etc that his skill level will only go up and he will be much more comfortable with them and it would be much much smoother. Also if your gonna bring the young guns up like Hamit and Tuncay u gotta use them and not let them rot on the bench.

Originally posted by Emre_5
------------------------Rustu-------------------------

Umit Davala-----Uzulmez-----Umit Ozat-------Fatih Akyel

Yildiray------Hamit Altintop-----Emre

Nihat----------Tuncay

Sukur

I know im gonna get alot of grief for putting Hamit Altintop in the starting 11 but the kid is a beast he just gets every ball in the middle and i know hes only 21 but i think the more experience he gets playing with Emre, Yildiray, Nihat, Tuncay etc that his skill level will only go up and he will be much more comfortable with them and it would be much much smoother. Also if your gonna bring the young guns up like Hamit and Tuncay u gotta use them and not let them rot on the bench.


Nice line-up but Umit Davala is out of the lineup due to injuries, so you need to find some one for his position. I would put Ali Gunes and add Bulent instead of Fatih Akyel.

I thought Hamit was a forward player? I don't know much about him, may be I am mistaking.

Not fatih or bulent :kader:

Umit ozat deserves a starting spot for sure;)

Originally posted by TURK_1975

I thought Hamit was a forward player? I don't know much about him, may be I am mistaking.

Hamit Altintop is a Centre Attacking Midfielder, and he play's on the left too.


Also, is Karadeniz injured, if not where is he!?!?

Revisted....

------------------------Rustu-------------------------

Tolga-----Uzulmez-----Bulent------Umit Ozat

Yildiray------Hamit Altintop-----Emre

Nihat----------Tuncay

Sukur

I know most of you probably dont like Bulent cause u say his old and slow but he always seems to get the job done....He always is in position and plays very well for a player in his mid-30's hes a great tackler and a decent Marker and i think he should deserve a spot in the first 11 or atleast be the first defender off the bench .

It's not that he is old, or slow. Bulent will never show his age, but his attitude is horrible, his complaining to the refs, his horrible tackles, and harsh fouls. I don't think he should be on Gala, let alone the Turkish International squad.

Umit Ozat in my opinion, is the best Defender in Turkey.

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
Not fatih or bulent :kader:

Umit ozat deserves a starting spot for sure;)

Yes he does but not as a defenceman, but he is great at midfield. He would be a great sub for Yildiray or Emre for midfield. My openion is I don't want to see him at defence thats all. Since Doum came to Fenerbahce Umit Ozat is been playing at midfield and did an excellent job by himself. Last year when he was playing at defence, it showed that he is not to trust the defence. And yes Bulent defenately has an attitude problem. And I think thats what most of our players are missing in our Tuekish team. We need more players like Tunjay, Ergun....

Originally posted by TURK_1975
Yes he does but not as a defenceman, but he is great at midfield. He would be a great sub for Yildiray or Emre for midfield. My openion is I don't want to see him at defence thats all. Since Doum came to Fenerbahce Umit Ozat is been playing at midfield and did an excellent <A TITLE="Click for more information about <A TITLE="Click for more information about job" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||job|AA1VDw">job</A>" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||job|AA1VDw">job</A> by himself. Last year when he was playing at defence, it showed that he is not to trust the defence. And yes Bulent defenately has an attitude problem. And I think thats what most of our players are missing in our Turkish team. We need more players like Tunjay, Ergun....

I agree during the World Cup when Senol Gunes played him at Defence we all saw that he isnt the greatest pure defender in Turkiye....hes more of a defensive midfielder who comes up and helps with the attack. Also Tugay retired from International Football right? And where is Ergun hes a SOLID defender and a great player on the wing he's crosses are very accurate.

any news about ahmed hassan & besiktas ?!!

No No, Umit Ozat is a good defensive mid, but he's also very strong defender. His ability to read the play is amazing.

The 2003/04 Superleague season was one of surprises - and fantastic memories for three sides: champions Fenerbahçe SK, Turkish Cup winners Trabzonspor and UEFA Cup surprise package Gençlerbirligi SK. While Trabzonspor and Gençlerbirligi celebrated muscling in on the party, traditional Istanbul heavyweights Besiktas JK and Galatasaray SK were left to lick their wounds after seasons both will be keen to forget.

Shock defeat
Initially it looked as if a new-look Fenerbahçe would also struggle to live up to the burden of expectation as Christoph Daum's side kicked off the season with a shock 3-0 home defeat against Istanbulspor AS.

Besiktas set pace
Fenerbahçe steadily improved as the season progressed, but they looked to be out of the title reckoning at the half-way stage as they reached the winter break eleven points behind leaders Besiktas - with Trabzonspor in second, nine points off the pace.

Fenerbahçe pull clear
What happened next few could have predicted. Besiktas, perhaps a victim of over confidence, imploded in the second half of the season, losing eight and winning just five of their remaining 17 matches as Fenerbahçe soared to the top of the table. With five games to go Daum's side ended Besiktas' title challenge, winning 3-1 at the Inönü stadium to pull clear of their rivals. Fenerbahçe eventually finished a staggering 14 points ahead of Besiktas, who were offered scant consolation of third place and a UEFA Cup spot from a season that had started with such promise.

Nobre leads revival
Marcio Nobre, a mid-season signing on loan from EC Cruzeiro, proved the catalyst for Fenerbahçe's revival, scoring 12 times in 18 games to complement Pierre van Hooijdonk's team-leading 24 goals as Daum became the first German to guide Fenerbahçe to the title - and in style. Only Konyaspor striker Zafer Biryol would better Van Hooijdonk, finishing the season with 25 goals from 33 appearances.

Dogan the difference
Trabzonspor also made significant changes during the winter break, and the appointment of Ziya Dogan sparked the start of a stunning eleven-match winning run which resulted in a second-placed finish and the promise of UEFA Champions League football for the first time. Trabzonspor's Guinean midfielder Ibrahima Yattara must also take his share of the plaudits, leading the league with 15 assists as he proved the creative hub of the Black Sea club. And there was a trophy to celebrate too asTrabzonspor won the Turkish Cup with a comprehensive 4-0 win over Gençlerbirligi in the final.

Gençlerbirligi reward
With Trabzonspor otherwise engaged in Europe, the Ankara club will get another shot at the UEFA Cup, the least they deserve after a thrilling European run this season that saw them knock out Blackburn Rovers FC, Sporting Clube de Portugal and Parma AC before finally succumbing to eventual finalists Valencia CF after extra-time.

Galatasaray shame
Besiktas fans may not look back on the season with pride, but at least their side was competitive which was more than Galatasaray SK could claim after arguably their worst ever season - finishing sixth and bowing out of the Champions League at the group stage. Galatasaray finished a massive 22 points behind Fenerbahçe, losing ten times in a season for the first time in 22 years and failing to qualify for Europe for the first time since the 1989/90 season.

Bursaspor down
Adanaspor AS and Elazigspor were early victims of the drop and they were joined in the second division by Bursaspor who fought valiantly to the end but were relegated for the first time since the Turkish league began in 1959.

Uefa.Com

Nice post pi-air.

I have a quick question, where could i upload my signature other than what i'm using now?

Anyways now that we've talked about international...

What would you guys like to see for your clubs next season?

Fenerbahce needs a strong player for our mid field, Gala needs to get rid of hagi...and make huge transfers.

Besiktas is hard to say...I think it's time Lucesscu leaves thought, they need a REALLY strict coach at that club.

Turkey beat Australia 3-1 today. There was a goal by Umit Ozat and 2 from Sukur. 6 of our players were booked! Well at least we didn't draw this time :rolleyes:

Hahaha yep.

This is a new start for Turkiye. Not qualifying for Eurocup in a way was beneficial, we smartened up, and got rid of that HORRIBLE senol gunes.

We'll be back for WC 2006 in Germany

Originally posted by Delly
So we need a striker who has hardly any speed and can only head a ball? Wow.

Many Turkish strikers are better than Sukur NOW, not in the past. Look at the strikers Turkey has that are better than him. Ilhan, Tuncay, Serhat, Fatih Tekke. I can probably name some second division strikers better than Sukur but I won't. Oh, and don't start a fight saying that Tuncay isn't a striker, because he is. He might play in midfield sometimes because he can.

Name me a some second division strikers who can score two goals for the national team.

Originally posted by PI-AIR 17
Galatasaray shame
Besiktas fans may not look back on the season with pride, but at least their side was competitive which was more than Galatasaray SK could claim after arguably their worst ever season - finishing sixth and bowing out of the Champions League at the group stage. Galatasaray finished a massive 22 points behind Fenerbahçe, losing ten times in a season for the first time in 22 years and failing to qualify for Europe for the first time since the 1989/90 season.



hopefully gala doesn't get any more worse next season. :f***:

and more bad news for us:

http://soccer365.com/EUROPEAN_NEWS/Premiership/page_99_73134.shtml

Leeds reject loan offer for Viduka 21/05/04
Leeds have turned down an offer by Galatasaray of a loan deal for striker Mark Viduka.

The Turkish giants had hoped to sign the Australia star on a season-long loan as they are unable to meet Leeds' £6million asking price.

It is understood Galatasaray were willing to pay a £1.5million loan arrangement fee, as well as the 28-year-old's £65,000-a-week salary. But cash-strapped Leeds, who will be playing in the Coca-Cola League next season after their recent relegation from the Premiership, are desperate to bring in as much money as possible, as quickly as possible.


:(

wow wow, I wouldn't be too quick to say Galatasaray are the Turkish giants. No 1 can argue their success in europe, but a team that just placed 6th in the Turkish Super league should not be considered the Turkish Giants

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
Nice post pi-air.

I have a quick question, where could i upload my signature other than what i'm using now?

Thx.

ve uploader icin linki sana özel mesaj olarak gönderdim.

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
wow wow, I wouldn't be too quick to say Galatasaray are the Turkish giants. No 1 can argue their success in europe, but a team that just placed 6th in the Turkish Super league should not be considered the Turkish Giants

Every club has a bad year, but if you ask any non-turkish person
to name a team in Turkey 9 out 10 people would name Galatasaray, they are still the Turkish Giants, Fenerbache winning the League doesnt mean they are all of a sudden they are the Turkish Giants.

Did Emre and/or Okan play for Turkey against Australia??

Okan no, Emre yes.

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
Okan no, Emre yes.

Actually Okan did play.....:crazyboy:

Originally posted by SB9Dragon
Did Emre and/or Okan play for Turkey against Australia??

Most likely Okan and Emre always are in the first 11 for Turkey unless if they are not in good form or the couch might be trying other players and tactics.

okan did play...wat was i thinking

Alex de Souza signed for Fenerbahce!!!

Alex deal concluded
03.06.2004

The long awaited Alex da Silva transfer has gone through as the Brazilian star has signed a three-year deal with Fenerbahçe in Brazil today.

Vice-president Hakan Bilal Kutlualp concluded the deal with the midfielder in Brazil, a day after he featured in Brazil`s 3-1 win over Argentina.

Alex`s arrival date in Istanbul will be decided next week.

I think Fenerbahce officialy now has the best attacking force in the TSL (Tuncay, van Hooijdonk, Nobre, Serhat, and now Alex.)

yah they'll be adding on so many more, we need another strong player on mid

Alex de Souza signed for Fenerbahce!!!

:rockman: :rockman: :rockman:

3 year 7.5 million euros.

Now if they exclude a team like this from fifa 2005 then i'm never buying that game again, and if i do, i'll download it illegally.

Originally posted by Fener_Bahce
3 year 7.5 million euros.

Now if they exclude a team like this from fifa 2005 then i'm never buying that game again, and if i do, i'll download it illegally.

Forget FIFA, buy PES or Winning Eleven. They have Fenerbahce in it.

Del Bosque is going to work wonders for Besiktas.

I think this is going to be a great year in the TSL.

A lot of people don't take the Turkish League seriously in these forums, a lot of you put down our league, but when managers like Del Bosque say we have better training facilities than Real Madrid that should say something.

." Vicente del Bosque examined the Umraniye camp of the Eagles and noted that there were some "perfecto" words. As for the camping area of Besiktas, Del Bosque said: "Real Madrid has the best camp in Spain. But Besiktas' one is better."

http://www.egyptianplayers.com/ahmed-hasan/articles-ahmedhasan231.htm

Real doesn't have a training field..
the field that they're training is the field of the town council ;)

Yeah, that property isn't even owned by Real Madrid.

Anyway:


Koller's agent denies rumours
Friday, 11 June 2004

by Thomas Zeh

Jan Koller's agent has angrily denied speculation that Turkish giants Besiktas are closing in on his client.

Reports emanating from Germany suggest that new Besiktas coach Vicente Del Bosque has launched a €4 million bid in order to bring Koller to Istanbul from Borussia Dortmund.

Dortmund face a fight to hold on to their top stars following their failure to qualify for the Champions League next season, but Koller's representative Pavel Paska has rubbished the rumours of interest from Besiktas.

"I don't know anything about that. That's complete nonsense," fumed Paska.

Koller is currently preparing himself with Karel Bruckner's team for Euro 2004 in Portugal, where the Czech Republic will face competition from Group D outsiders Latvia in their first game on Monday, before they take on the Netherlands and Germany in what appears to be one of the tightest groups in the competition.

Koller would score a slew of goals for Besiktas if here were on his way to Turkey. I'm glad the rumors are false, though.

For the sake of BVB. ;)