Yes, it is also strange how many foreign players make those Italian teams so great. For instance, AC Milan would be nothing without BIERHOFF.
If you want true testimony to Italian football, just see how their national team performs in the Euro-Cup. Then we shall have a good laugh together:
Final: Germany - 3
Holland - 1
(Italy? Who are they? hahahahahaha!!!)
And by your rational: if only foreigners made the L great, the Serie A should be getting better and better, as by the year more and more foreigners play in Italy. This is not the case.
Less transfers are a huge advantage, as homogenity counts in a team, and I hope that Serie A officials will finally notice. Which team wins Serie A this year? Juve. They made the least off-season moves. And confimed 9 starters from last year. They also start with 7 Italians, which is very much for Serie A standards.
You musn't fear the ages of Germany's national team members. In both World Cups of 1994 and 1998, many thought Germany was too old to get anywhere...both times, they made it to the Quarter-Finals (and only lost due to bad-referee-decision).
When the BIG occassion arises, count on Germany to succeed with their hearts.
And as Berti Vogts once said, "there are no young and old players, only good and bad."
And Germany certainly has good players...and they make a killer team.
Italy? Many great players...piss-poor teams (hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha!!!).
Yo Voltaire youre retarted.... If you look at the records Italian teams won more cups than any other country.... Ac Milan ? Bierhoof? What are u stupid? Hes lucky he gets playen time he sux my nuts.... I must agree with Zambrotta for the 1st time... And in 1994 Bulgaria beat Germany and Italy beat Bulgaria.... In 98 Germany went out Patheticley to Croatia and Italy lost to WORLD CHAMPIONS IN SHOOT-OUT So shut ur mouth
yeah - like that would be true... In 94 they scored on a penalty, and I began to fear that it would take the same road as in 90 when they beat CZR only because of a penatly.
BUT NO: THANK YOU LECHKOV - who was threatend by some stupid german pricks after this, when he played for HSV.
And in 98: 3-0 and a bad ref? They got killed by Croatia, with full due. Red was Red, they had nothing left to give.
Talking about the last two WCs: Italy surely did not play better, but had better results.
I know that all in all Germany is Europe's most succesfull team, but this will stop. 1st round out in June.
And how poor must german teams be if they lost so many damn times in the past to oh-so poor Italian teams (clubs), even when there were not more than 3 foreigners per team?
To see how most German players suck, just look how most of them flopped in Italy: I only take Matthäus, Riedle, Brehme and Bierhoff as exeptions in the last 10 years.
Lehmann, Möller, Sammer, Klinsi, Ziege, Heinrich, EFFE and some more.
hey voltaire, u say foreign players make italian teams great, well there are three reasons why you are wrong:
1. Juventus on top of the ladder... they are team made up of mostly italians, and their true strikeforce (inzaghi and del piero) are both italian
2. Roma....first time in years they had a good shot at the title....they have now blown it, but the depth in the talent of Italian players can still be seen with Roma's strike force.....Totti, Del Vecchio and Montella......no space for the brazilian fabio junior
3. Inter......full of foreign players, yet what have they done recently.....absolutely nothing.....complete disappointment, as they are easily the strongest team on paper.....yet they cant produce it on the field
Yes, Italy (like Germany) are traditionally good. Yes, I was exaggerating about the strength of foreigners in Serie A, but Italy definitely does not have what it takes to win a national tournament. Maybe they need to select their teams better? but they definitely do not play well as a team. whereas Germany will always perform well with/without their best players. Sure, MAYBE Italian club might win, but the national team of Italy will never be put together for anything other than mediocrity.
Even as a German fan, you should agree that Italy should have met Germany in the finals in 90. They playes awesome.
In 94 and 98 they had crazy coaches (like today...).
But in 96 they played the best soccer (albeit with Sacci as CT) and Germany was VERY lucky to get that draw. Remeber that stupid penalty from Zola (or that stupid ref who did not send of Koepke on Casiraghi being the last man).
If you saw Italy's last match against Sweden, which is a great team, there was progress. That games against Belgium, Denmark and Bielorussia were the bottom line.
Now let us see how they perform against Spain - they are an exiting young team, and soon will be bolstered up with even more talents - wait until Pirlo or Cassano get to play in the A team.
I admit that Germany is almost always there when it counts, but in the last time that had also many troubles. I remember the last game of their group when they suffered horribly against Turkey, which killed itseld by not winning important games against weak teams. And what about the first friendlies after France 98...?
I would not go out on my own to diss a national team, but I surely come out if you talk trash about my team. So long.
p.s. to juvegoose: Inter is finally, after 2 years again playing like a team. Don't count them out. Just remember: if they had not lost 4 points against Parma and Inter in the last seconds....there are 27 points left...!
Germany reach Euro 2000 Final???, no chance in hell. Italy, doubt it. But so what about the Italian teams, it's unlikely any other nation can get their club teams to conjure up so many european trohies like Italian teams has. and BTW, it's going to be a Spanish year, Barca for the Champs League, Celta for UEFA Cup, Spain possibly play the Netherlands in the Euro 2000 final. But keep on dreaming if you think Bayern or United will win the Champs League, Leeds or Werder Bremen win the UEFA Cup, and England or Germany winning Euro 2000, you must have pretty high hopes.
Well the problem I see is:
Today there is a fight between to legitimate "10": Totti and Del Piero. Totti is better of course, but for some messed up reason Zoff loves Del Piero.
Now imagine if Pirlo and Cassano joined the ranks... If Pirlo got the chance to play in the Italian Serie A team, he would show that pound for pound he has more genious and skills than even Totti, not to speak of del Piero, on the other hand he is only 20. But I hope for Pirlo that he will develop into a a bit more defensive minded player, an attacking midfielder.
Cassano has not even played for the U-21 team, but he will soon. For 17 years the things he does are fantastic, I sure hope Fascetti gives hime more time at Bari.
I will be interesting to see how Pirlo and Cassano will play together for Tardelli, I'd like to see them this way: Pirlo as trequartista, Cassano as seconda punta, Ventola as centerforward. This attack can rival any brazilian players.
It is funny, because I see the following problem: Italy always had too many great players, and coaches did never confirm a particular one (even if it must be said that their choice was hard). Remeber the last 10 years: Baggio-Mancini-Zola-(Del Piero). The former 3 were all outstanding players, but they never got the constant playing time for Italy they deserved. Baggio was the most skilled and fraigle, I see him like Pirlo. Mancini was the most outspoken, the most energetic, and the most altruistic - for more than one reason I see Totti as his successor: great things for his club, never given chances for Italy. Zola was surely inferior to the former 2, but he behaved good and was a Sacchi darling for his last 2 years. Del Piero is Zoff's darling...