They already get richely rewarded for it by winning the cup and playing European football(mostly). But I want to see the best clubs in the best club competition in the world. Not some obscure club who accidently had a lucky winning streak the previous season.
I agree...i believe that winning the league over 30 games or coming close to it should guarantee CL spots...
I think that if a club wants to play in the CL, it has to ocme up the ranks thorugh its domestic league....In england there 3 (or 4 ) league divisions with the premier league title the highest league honor.
If say a club like Nottingham Forest (with all due respect) decides that it wants to play in the Champions League....wat will they have to do ?
Option A : Climb through the domestic leagues earning promotions and that takes time and good managerial skiils....They have to finish in the top four and on the magical day that they do, they have rightfully imo earned a CL spot
Option B : Just win 6 games in a cup....ok its harder than wat it looks on paper but cmon, i dont think it warrants a right to the Champions League....after all, its the holy grail of European Football.
My point is that if a lower division club wants to play the CL, it first has to earn the right to play in the top domestic league....then it shud finish in the top four...and then, think about CL....its a longer, harder, rougher route to the cup but it is fair.
And while we're at it, give the UEFA cup champions a CL berth as well. If they don't take these measures, they should consider changing the name of the competition.
yea... sevilla have been dominant in UEFA Cup play thus far... this time they step up to Champions League play... The loser (Espanyol) should get the auto spot in UEFA Cup being they came so far...
I agree...i believe that winning the league over 30 games or coming close to it should guarantee CL spots...
I think that if a club wants to play in the CL, it has to ocme up the ranks thorugh its domestic league....In england there 3 (or 4 ) league divisions with the premier league title the highest league honor.
If say a club like Nottingham Forest (with all due respect) decides that it wants to play in the Champions League....wat will they have to do ?
Option A : Climb through the domestic leagues earning promotions and that takes time and good managerial skiils....They have to finish in the top four and on the magical day that they do, they have rightfully imo earned a CL spot
Option B : Just win 6 games in a cup....ok its harder than wat it looks on paper but cmon, i dont think it warrants a right to the Champions League....after all, its the holy grail of European Football.
My point is that if a lower division club wants to play the CL, it first has to earn the right to play in the top domestic league....then it shud finish in the top four...and then, think about CL....its a longer, harder, rougher route to the cup but it is fair.
At the most, FA Cup winners should earn a qualifying spot in the 1st round.
Fair points from both Help and goal_machine, i guess it's a matter of opinion really. I mean for me, a team that wins six tough matches in a row deserve, as champions of the domestic club competition, the ability to go to the Champions League.
I mean, even as it is, the cup would still be three times less important than the league, since three spots would still be up for grabs in the Premier League. For me, i can just IMAGINE the amount of new interest that would happen in the FA Cup, it'd make thrilling viewing.
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In Brazil, the winner of the cup qualifies to the Libertadores. Even with all the measures taken to get the best team winning the cup (home and away matches instead of a single match), we've had 2nd division sides playing in our major continental competition and not exactly being destroyed there. Actually, Paulista managed to beat River Plate at home. That said, they don't really add anything to the competition, and lower league Brazilian sides have never managed to get past the first stage (a group stage in Libertadores).
I don't have a definitive opinion on this... but as it is a Champions league, then maybe they should allow the cup winners into it.
I think winning 5-10 games and being rewarded a CL spot is not fair to the teams that fight 30 and above to get one. I mean we all agree that this idea will make the countries cups much more atractive but it will also mean that a team that gets somehow lucky and fights its way through can win a spot. That team can very well be a low lable or worst case scenario from a lower division.
Having said that though, it means Leeds can make a glorious return even though they're playing 3rd div.
The best format UEFA ever had was with 3 cups. The cups winner cup should have it's own trophy.
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and not exactly being destroyed there.
That is poor analogy man. The CL has the best of the world, it is not some crappy latin american team (Exclude Boca, River, Santos and a couple of other Brazilian teams). Add to that stadium conditions, tv deals, fan base. No one would be thrilled to se Barca play Rimini so to speak.
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It would be nice to give the small clubs a chance at glory. I just think giving the Cup winner a place in the qualifying rounds should do the trick. A small club making the CL group stage would make a lot of money and chances are it could be stronger next year. That means more competition each season and some different stuff for us to watch. Not to mention there would still be big clubs in the CL and at the end of the day, those clubs would still be reaching the final stages anyway.
It would be nice to give the small clubs a chance at glory. I just think giving the Cup winner a place in the qualifying rounds should do the trick. A small club making the CL group stage would make a lot of money and chances are it could be stronger next year. That means more competition each season and some different stuff for us to watch. Not to mention there would still be big clubs in the CL and at the end of the day, those clubs would still be reaching the final stages anyway.
The chance at glory is already given by giving them a UEFA cup spot as help? said...i agree that by giving FA cup winners a CL spot, there will be some variety in the matches and lots of "different stuff" and it will help the level of football in those teams...the players of a lower league team can get invaluable experience playing on the biggest european stage and get noticed plus the financial gains to the clubs will give a boost to their future plans
But, i believe that "Champions" League should remain Champions League....in other words the top 4 in the top domestic league have earned their right to be there.....afterall, even Man Utd was once relegated....the fans support, great managers and gradual success eventually landed them a CL spot.....that is wat it takes to be in the CL
I just cant support the idea of FA cup winners being given CL spots....it will be unfair to the top division teams who have battled so hard to compete in the top domestic league in the first place
Just not gonna agree on this to be fair, because i believe it is fair since it gives everyone a fair chance rather than those who are in it year on year and therefore, are the only ones who can get into it.
But still, at least an intelligent thread on SG for once.
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Well, i think its fair enough that the FA cup winners are given UEFA cup spot...but to take it to the next level (aka CL), that is just unfair to the teams in the top domestic league
I just think winning 30+ games over a long gruelling season warrants a CL spot more than wining 6 games in a row
Good, let's take into account last season results for the top leagues in Europe, the ones that (presumably) will benefit from this format change. The national cups winners are...
Spain -> Sevilla -> already qualified, CL spot to Valencia (4th in the League) England -> Chelsea -> already qualified, CL spot to Arsenal (4th in the League) Italy -> Roma -> already qualified, CL spot to Lazio (3rd in the League), Milan, 4th in the table, enters CL as the holders France -> Sochaux -> Sochaux finished the league in 7th position, 1 point behind Toulouse (3rd), actual CL 3rd qual contender Germany -> Nurnberg -> Nurnberg finished the league in 6th position
Personally, I cannot see any QPR, or Pisa, or Rayo Vallecano, or Montpellier, or St. Pauli here...
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