Turkey’s future lies within the Khilafah State and not the EU

Sir Didier*CFC said:

Looks to me that at this rate the EU are going to have.....























..........Turkey for Christmas!!!!!

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...or vice versa

theedor said:

...or vice versa

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Extra credit.

You see, that's the benefit of a great joke, it's like a piece of jazz, you can improvise it, add to it, work it, form it into your own personal masterpiece.

Sir Didier*CFC said:

You see, that's the benefit of a great joke, it's like a piece of jazz, you can improvise it, add to it, work it, form it into your own personal masterpiece.

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I agree

well I dont want turkey for christmes because I dont like their culture,people their whole country.
its like getting cancer for ur birthday :hit:

D-12 said:

well I dont want turkey for christmes because I dont like their culture,people their whole country.
its like getting cancer for ur birthday :hit:

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I seriously don't want go on with this debate.. ignorance is the source of your fear.. I bet you even don't have any idea about turkish culture and/or people.. I don't mind whether you like or dislike turkish people but I hope you'll have something concrete for your dislike in the future..

Well I dislike some concrete things about moslims :
Suicide bombings on innecent people
Hit their woman all day till they look like f]ck
In countrys where they come about 80 procent becomea criminals
They kill other people because they dont believe in all@h

If u think these are normal things then thats exactly my point .

I think you're talking about the midle-east country's, not Turkey. Turkey is quite civilized espacially Istanbul.

D-12 said:

Well I dislike some concrete things about moslims :
Suicide bombings on innecent people
Hit their woman all day till they look like f]ck
In countrys where they come about 80 procent becomea criminals
They kill other people because they dont believe in all@h

If u think these are normal things then thats exactly my point .

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good now we can talk:

1- Suicide bombings on innocent people... Believe me I hate them more than you do.. it has no point, it is not fair in my religion, and it is sick they do this in the name of God... really sick.. (but bear in mind that USA is doing some nasty things in middle east.. this does not legitimate suicide attacks, just bear that in mind)

2- Hitting a woman is not a matter of religion.. It's a matter of civilization I believe.. I'm 23 and I did never hit a woman and that's the last thing I would do in my life regardless of the degree that I'm tempted to.. I cannot get that low, I cannot use my superior power (I'm 198 cm in length and 115 kg in weight (h)) against someone lower than me.. I prefer a debate in that circumstances

3- I don't know the precentage thing about becoming criminal, but again I believe it has nothing to do with religion.. a real believer do not steal or seizure anything by violence hence he/she knows the thing he/she has stolen does not do any good to him.. sooner or later he'll pay with some way for it..

4- Killing someone for not believing Allah is completely wrong either.. Muslims are ordered to show respect to other religions such as Christianity.. so I only have respect for your religion..

figure it out.. You're angry with someone who does nasty things and says that he/she is doing these in the name of Allah/Religion, and you directed your anger to muslims... I believe Allah does not accept these nasties either and preparing pangs in hell for them...

D-12 said:

Well I dislike some concrete things about moslims :
Suicide bombings on innecent people
Hit their woman all day till they look like f]ck
In countrys where they come about 80 procent becomea criminals
They kill other people because they dont believe in all@h.

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what are you, 10?

So who's your favourite power ranger?

You know what, for each of your crap 4 points, I have at least 10 Qur'anic verses and Narrations that would easily falsify ur 'childish' ideas of muslims... but I'm not even gonna give u the respect of having an intellecutual discussion with... and if it happens, just know that it wud be directed to the other 'grown ups' in the forum... seriously...

And just for the sake of irony: Bombing innocent people, high rates of battered women, & a scaringly rising crime rate, are ALL predominant features of the Unites States of America Do you even understand what I just said? Or are u still trying to figure out who's ur favourite power ranger?

There should be an age-group limit for some threads....

2 different approaches d-12, which one do you think you deserve

The_Knight said:

Do you even understand what I just said? Or are u still trying to figure out who's ur favourite power ranger?

There should be an age-group limit for some threads....

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Hahaha. You got a point there.

theedor said:

good now we can talk:

1- Suicide bombings on innocent people... Believe me I hate them more than you do.. it has no point, it is not fair in my religion, and it is sick they do this in the name of God... really sick.. (but bear in mind that USA is doing some nasty things in middle east.. this does not legitimate suicide attacks, just bear that in mind)

2- Hitting a woman is not a matter of religion.. It's a matter of civilization I believe.. I'm 23 and I did never hit a woman and that's the last thing I would do in my life regardless of the degree that I'm tempted to.. I cannot get that low, I cannot use my superior power (I'm 198 cm in length and 115 kg in weight (h)) against someone lower than me.. I prefer a debate in that circumstances

3- I don't know the precentage thing about becoming criminal, but again I believe it has nothing to do with religion.. a real believer do not steal or seizure anything by violence hence he/she knows the thing he/she has stolen does not do any good to him.. sooner or later he'll pay with some way for it..

4- Killing someone for not believing Allah is completely wrong either.. Muslims are ordered to show respect to other religions such as Christianity.. so I only have respect for your religion..

figure it out.. You're angry with someone who does nasty things and says that he/she is doing these in the name of Allah/Religion, and you directed your anger to muslims... I believe Allah does not accept these nasties either and preparing pangs in hell for them...

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Well then maybe ur the 2 procent that dont does those things . Im talking about the majority of moslims not the 2procent that acts normal.

The problem with moderate muslims are that you only talk, talk and talk while the extremists out there doing all the actions to make shame out of your religions. I believe, and seriously do, that 80 % of all the muslims population are intellectuals that knows that killing in the name of Allah is wrong. But then again, that`s all you do, just talk. Actions speaks louder than words, and none of you intellectual muslims out there trying to do something to get your extremists brothers like Kobashi to get back in the right path. Muslims like Kobashi burn my friend`s house just because he had a crucifix in front of his house during ramadhan, muslims like Kobashi, who only want Islamic state for their own interest raped my girlfriend just because she`s not wearing a hijab, and I`m serious here. So don`t talk to me about respect when all I see from stupid muslims are killing and raping others who are not muslim. Don`t talk to me about respect when all you hear about muslim is blowing the hell up Bali. I will repsect when you at least acts like humanbeings not animals.

And Muhammad has four wives and that`s a fact and one of his wife is a child, that`s a fact too, so don`t get pissed too much. Every religion has it`s own humour side. God have a sense of humor too . . .

Hans said:

The problem with moderate muslims are that you only talk, talk and talk while the extremists out there doing all the actions to make shame out of your religions. I believe, and seriously do, that 80 % of all the muslims population are intellectuals that knows that killing in the name of Allah is wrong. But then again, that`s all you do, just talk. Actions speaks louder than words, and none of you intellectual muslims out there trying to do something to get your extremists brothers like Kobashi to get back in the right path. Muslims like Kobashi burn my friend`s house just because he had a crucifix in front of his house during ramadhan, muslims like Kobashi, who only want Islamic state for their own interest raped my girlfriend just because she`s not wearing a hijab, and I`m serious here. So don`t talk to me about respect when all I see from stupid muslims are killing and raping others who are not muslim. Don`t talk to me about respect when all you hear about muslim is blowing the hell up Bali. I will repsect when you at least acts like humanbeings not animals.




And Muhammad has four wives and that`s a fact and one of his wife is a child, that`s a fact too, so don`t get pissed too much. Every religion has it`s own humour side. God have a sense of humor too . . .

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What are you on about. I do not support Any of them terrible actions.

Islam totally forbids it. I am sorry but you need to stop with all the moderate/extremist BS.

Please tell me what an extremist Muslim is? Is an extremist somebody who wants to see Sharia Law Implemented in the Muslim world? Is an extremist somebody who feels the women should wear hijab.

What is a moderate Muslim?

Somebody who supports freedom to do what you want? Somebody who does not support The Idea of Sharia Law in the Muslim World.

The term Moderate/Extremist Muslim does not exist in Islam. It is the media and certain governments who are trying to cause this big divide within the Muslim community.

D-12 said:

Well I dislike some concrete things about moslims :
Suicide bombings on innecent people
Hit their woman all day till they look like f]ck
In countrys where they come about 80 procent becomea criminals
They kill other people because they dont believe in all@h

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#1 is the strongest point existing here in Indonesia.

D-12 said:

Well then maybe ur the 2 procent that dont does those things . Im talking about the majority of moslims not the 2procent that acts normal.

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Yeah, all muslims are terrorists right? All muslims are evil right?
I'd say about 2% of all muslims are fanatics, the other act normal.

Oh and it's not true that muslims eat little children, just to inform you.

kobashi said:

What are you on about. I do not support Any of them terrible actions.

Islam totally forbids it. I am sorry but you need to stop with all the moderate/extremist BS.

Please tell me what an extremist Muslim is? Is an extremist somebody who wants to see Sharia Law Implemented in the Muslim world? Is an extremist somebody who feels the women should wear hijab.

What is a moderate Muslim?

Somebody who supports freedom to do what you want? Somebody who does not support The Idea of Sharia Law in the Muslim World.

The term Moderate/Extremist Muslim does not exist in Islam. It is the media and certain governments who are trying to cause this big divide within the Muslim community.

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Well its crearly that u dont want to listen to other people. You just want to make the moslims look good but they arent and never will be.
The best things is to send them to mars (or just kill them but then people would say its cruel ) where they could bomb eachother the fools

Hans said:

The problem with moderate muslims are that you only talk, talk and talk while the extremists out there doing all the actions to make shame out of your religions. I believe, and seriously do, that 80 % of all the muslims population are intellectuals that knows that killing in the name of Allah is wrong. But then again, that`s all you do, just talk. Actions speaks louder than words, and none of you intellectual muslims out there trying to do something to get your extremists brothers like Kobashi to get back in the right path. Muslims like Kobashi burn my friend`s house just because he had a crucifix in front of his house during ramadhan, muslims like Kobashi, who only want Islamic state for their own interest raped my girlfriend just because she`s not wearing a hijab, and I`m serious here. So don`t talk to me about respect when all I see from stupid muslims are killing and raping others who are not muslim. Don`t talk to me about respect when all you hear about muslim is blowing the hell up Bali. I will repsect when you at least acts like humanbeings not animals.

And Muhammad has four wives and that`s a fact and one of his wife is a child, that`s a fact too, so don`t get pissed too much. Every religion has it`s own humour side. God have a sense of humor too . . .

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Okay, let's start with the Prophet's marriage issue, let me get this right: Are you evaluating a marriage that occurred 1400 years ago with year 2006 standards? Well doing that, you're subject to many numerous misinterpretations. Maybe you may re-evaluate it considering the following:

1- People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.

2- Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries, little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married.

Life 1400 years ago was very rough in the too hot desert. The average life span back then was about 50 years. People used to die from all kinds of diseases. Both parents of Prophet Muhammad, for instance, died natural deaths before he even knew them. His father died while Muhammad's mother was still pregnant with him. After she gave birth, she died when he was 2 years old (I believe). Muhammad was the only child of his parents.

It is important to know that girls during the Biblical and Islamic days used to be married off at young ages when they either had their first periods, or their breasts start showing off. In other words, when they turn into "women", then they get married off. It was quite different for men on the other hand, because physical power and the ability of living an independent life had always been and will always be a mandatory requirement for men to have in life. So men waited much longer than women in terms of getting married. The guy had to develop both his body and mind before he was ready for marriage.

That is why you see girls as young as 9 or 10 were married to men as old as 30 or even older. The culture back then and in many third world countries today (NON-MUSLIM ONES TOO) is quite different than what you live in today.

And as for the 4-wife issue, this came at a time when a man would easily be married to 20-30 women at once, each wife with absolutely no rights at all. Whereas Islam came to limit this number to only 4, under special circumstances too. This was a great reduction and not at all an elevation in the number of wives as you may wish to think.

Besides, the Qur'an was the only Holy Book that advised man to marry only one. There is not a single verse in the Bible which would say "marry only one". The Quran is the only scripture that has this phrase. See Exodus 21:10, where it says that 'a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry'.... hence, reducing allowed marriages to 4, that could only occur in special circumstances, and advising only to marry one, at THAT TIME, was a breakthrough that no other ideology accomplished.

And about the actions speak louder than words bit... well I guess that applies to every matter of life, not only the 'intellectual muslims vs radicals' issue. For instance, at least 60% of the USA is against the war in Iraq. Hundreds of gatherings, protests, and demonstrations have been done against it..... And we're not talking about a group of radical non-organized individuals, this is the US government we're talking about. And as wide as the objections to the illegitamate war were, the war still happened. Let go the fact that even Muslims are the direct and indirect victim of every terrorist attack, occuring in both muslim and non-muslim countries. For instance, the London Bombings happened in the areas with predominant muslim populations, and a week after, 80 muslims were killed in Sharm el-Sheikh, and on a daily basis, tens of muslims are blown up in Iraq by other suicide bombings.... the list can go on forever.

I'm really sorry for what happened to the person dear to u.. no 'but' included. For all I'm concerned, I hope these criminals would rot in jail for the rest of their worthless lives. Now what happened to her, is extremely similar to hundreds of other muslim women in the west that were subject to terrible abusing backlash post 9/11 and after every terrorist attack in the world. In many ways, the word 'victim' applies to many other people than one would imagine.

D-12 said:

Well then maybe ur the 2 procent that dont does those things . Im talking about the majority of moslims not the 2procent that acts normal.

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Yeah I'm sure when Daddy 'makes you' watch the news (when heaven knows you want to complete that level on Mario Land), u find 98% of the muslims are terrorists... so I didn't get an answer: Who-is-ur favourite-power ranger?