Screw Konami

deftonesmx17 said:

Does anyone have a brain here?
I can tell you why Konami made the CPU cheat. Because of people like you Wolf. Maybe if you people didnt run around and talk about how easy PES4 was on six stars, Konami wouldnt have done this. You only have yourselves to blame.

Some of you really don't understand what it takes to have great AI, programing wise and hardware wise. The PS2 sucks in both departments and is the system this game is made for. Everything else is nothing more than a port.

I can't think of any game (in any genre) that has "proper" AI.........................nope still can't think of one.

Honestly Wolf, your opinion holds about as much water as a hole filled glass. Every few weeks your stance changes. You contradict your last stance every time you have a new one. Its getting very old, play either FIFA or PES and quit whining like a little girl.

Every video game has problems and dwelling on them is nonsense that will get you nowhere.

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yea ok, dude, that was like the most genius post I've ever read in my entire life. not.

The whole point is that AI was better in PES 4. True, any game gets easy eventually. You can't have perfect AI. But there IS no AI in PES 5. All they do is lob and run, lob and run, lob and run, and eventually they score. And if they can't do that, they get a corner, they make your entire team masturbate while they put the ball in the net.

Most of this thread is not about how ****ty AI is. It's about how the CPU cheats. It rarely cheated in the previous version and we're complaining about a change for the worse. Bugs shouldn't be appearing. They should be disappearing.

Plus. They've got a YEAR to improve nothing but the AI. I think that's enough time to make improvement, no? When instead, you get some dumbass CPU that runs around doing god knows what, it's a legitimate reason to start bitching. The fact that players miss goals from 2 yards away under no pressure 70% of the time is not that hard to correct.

ugluk said:

The whole point is that AI was better in PES 4. True, any game gets easy eventually. You can't have perfect AI. But there IS no AI in PES 5. All they do is lob and run, lob and run, lob and run, and eventually they score. And if they can't do that, they get a corner, they make your entire team masturbate while they put the ball in the net.

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Are you sure about that? I see much more than lob and run, repeat, and score. I have a video posted in another thread that shows much more than that.
The AI wasnt better in 4, they just didnt cheat as much. If it was better, why were people whining about it being so easy?

Bugs shouldn't be appearing. They should be disappearing.

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Someone doesnt understand anything about game development. One simple change can introduce new bugs...........sometimes they all can't be fixed, example PES5.

Plus. They've got a YEAR to improve nothing but the AI. I think that's enough time to make improvement, no?

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AI can only go as far as the hardware will allow.

Golden Boy said:

It's a good game. A damn good game. It has almost everything you'd want in a soccer simulation, but there are a few things that prevent it from being ideal:

1) The CPU seems way too good at spotting through ball passing options. It has the uncanny ability to be able, time after time, to insert a player into a danger zone, even if the passing player has no way of seing that opening.

And it doesn't matter who's the passer. It could be Del Piero or, just as easily, be some second division reserve.

What's the deal with that?

2) Too many fouls are being given. The game struggles to remain fluent for more than a few seconds without somebody pushing somebody, and the referee seems way too whistle happy.

You sometimes also see a striker chasing my defender all the way to midcourt just to foul him, something that simply doesn't happen in real life.

On the other hand, you sometimes have fould that must be awarded, and the ref seems to ignore them, leaving you frustrated after building a promising move, or trying to run to a fastbreak.

3) On the PC, the buttons react a bit too slow. I often find my self angry about attempting a 1-2, but the CPU takes more than half a second to realize that's what I want, and in that time, the opposition takes the ball. I wish button response time would be faster.

These are pretty much the main bugs. Other than that, excluding a few minor things, the game seems to be the best Konami have developed so far.

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This is pretty much spot on. I have noticed issues with the cursor change as well, but these are my main problems.
The CPU through ball is far too dangerous as your defenders are so completely unaware of the danger. Even when the CPU has just one attacker against 3-5 defenders, they manage to pull off passes that should be cut out, or would go straight to the keeper had you passed them. I've even tried playing a flat backline (for off sides), sweeper and even 5 at the back and a defensive midfielder. It wouldn't be so bad if it were a case of them just pulling my defense apart and then sending in a through ball, but that is all the CPU does from any position, with any player, from anywhere.

The fouls are also RIDICULOUS. I have no problem with lots of fouls, because some teams actually do that in real life. My problem is when the ref can call 20+ fouls against the cpu in 1 game with the same 2 or 3 players doing it and not give a card at all. Then the shoulder to shoulder thing is poor too. If the CPU is in possession, you will get called for a foul for touching them as they will just drop, (notice this especially when the cpu has no passing options). The worst though is when they call a foul on you when your player actually has the ball!
A pretty good game, although there are some glaring problems.
P.S.- I am about to come in 2nd place to Barcelona in my ML season on 6*, I am 7 points off the pace, and Barca have only conceded 10 goals all season and I have scored 4 of them :boohoo:

this game is so much on "rails" . Especially the througpass. Man konami should have looked at fifa06, thats how throughpasses should be, not some holy ultimate pass what konami made of it.
It seems fifa is getting less scripted and pes is getting more and more scripted.

Buuuahhahahahaha fifa less scripted.... :boohoo: :boohoo:
Thats the story of the year.

Fifa06 is the best

my word this is still going? heres what everyone should do:

record all your games, and show EVIDENCE of what you think is "cheating" i'm still working on lowering my file sizes for my games and there has been NO CHEATING, deftones is right,he made some quite valid points. we complained and complained last year ( we have the threads to prove it also ) about how easy the game is, about how the advantage call was never used, about how there was no midfield battle, Konami listened and they went through and fixed it all; they added some new problems such as weather in ml, crowds and yes the cpu attack is linear; but the fact of the matter is you guys are complaining about what you wanted to see and what you wanted.

Check the threads from PES4 and WE8, from now on provide EVIDENCE of your complaints, if not its just he said she said and we're just going to go in a big circle, it's pointless and thats the reason this thread has kept on going. I'm not saying your points are not valid, I just think to grasp a true understanding instead of bashing eachother like a buncha 12 year old kids, evidence is the way to go.

I'll have my video up later, it'll be on 5 star, 20 mins using a created ML team. From there we can point out what was seen and what wasn't. And if other people do the same thing we can all truly see and analyze (not complain) the problems. My personal experience is that super-cancel works like a charm, as does in matters of controlling the ball R2 is great.

peace
m.l

I can't think that the CPU cheats. If he cheats, I just fight back, I don't complain. I just complain in the end. And normally when (if) they cheat...I am all over their midfield...

redman said:

Buuuahhahahahaha fifa less scripted.... :boohoo: :boohoo:
Thats the story of the year.

Fifa06 is the best

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maybe you should learn to read......

:Carlos*o:

redman said:

Buuuahhahahahaha fifa less scripted.... :boohoo: :boohoo:
Thats the story of the year.

Fifa06 is the best

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What a numpty!

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Originally Posted by MightyTic
the control icon jumps off him to one of my defenders standing round about the penalty spot! I never touched the L1 button,

......That was not my imagination, that was the cpu changing the player I controlled to one much further away from the ball so the cpu player standing behind my CH could get a free header on goal and score ..



It's called auto player swtiching. You can set it ON/OFF with about 10 levels in between. Use L1/R1 at the player side choosing to set it to OFF, if u want to switch players ONLY by pressing the L1 button.
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If you look at my 2nd post, I say I always play MANUAL , I take it down from auto all the way down to Manual ... It was on the Manual setting when it jumped ...

...soooooooo, when's the big patch comin' out, fellas?

O um btw.

Why is it that you can hit the post about 5 times on average every game? And if teams start playing better in the last 15 minis of the match, why doesn't my team play better if it's losing?

I'm really tired of dominating the game, having 5 times the scoring chances that the other team has and scoring 3 times less goals. This is just not right. My strikers aren't that bad.

I've noticed that my strikers (even the VERY GOOD ones) miss the target more often in crucial matches or matches against strong oponents e.g. Real. It's the way game is scripted.
As for crucial matches it would be understandable, lot of pressure on nerves an all that stuff, but why does my players start doing things when faced against Ronaldo and gang, I wouldn't know. I mean, I have top class players in my team, not by a tiny bit worse than ones that Real has but it feels like theyr knees are shaking as if they would be some sunday league amateurs.

Well, that's probably the only way Konami manages to make stronger oponents play better against human - by making human controlled team weaker.

To me, the game is ruined by all the advantage given to the cpu. I just got a red card for a slide tackle when the cpu player was running away, and i didn't even make him fall to the ground... instead, last time, the computer tackled me, with the last man, and it got a yellow...

To anyone that says that the cpu doesn't cheat, just check the throw-ins, you can't get close to the receiving cpu player, instead, when you are the one doing the throw-in, they totally mark you..

Velazquez said:

just check the throw-ins, you can't get close to the receiving cpu player, instead, when you are the one doing the throw-in, they totally mark you..

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Yup, throwins are pain in the arse in Pes5. Why did they chege absolutely acceptable throwin system that took place in pes3/we7?? Now I find myself throwing the ball to a guy who's standing as far from opposite half as possible and instantly passing back to a defender to start the buildup from the scratch because any other option in throwin situatiun would force you to loose possesion (awfull first touch by receiver, absolutely insane marking by cpu players etc.).

as for throw ins, just wait and the players will move into better positions.

biker_jim_uk said:

as for throw ins, just wait and the players will move into better positions.

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That's not the point Jim. Velazquez is right, when the computer takes a throw in I can't get close enough to the player to win the ball, it's like an invisible force field, yet even before I take a throw in the CPU players are right up my ass, that has bugged me for years with PES games.

Guess what? I just had RAIN in my ML! Ok so it took a season and a half but it happens!

Life is good again

that's great news kanuckle head, sad that it takes so long, but good news either way. thats one problem for me checked off - now the linear AI...