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Juventino said:Is it already in stores?
Grunger said:They're a decent rock band. Could've been better, if Kiedis didnt suck so much live. And i meant it. He cant stay on the beat, and he loses tuning quite often aswell.
PhiLLer said:Just finished listening to the album and it's GOOD!!!
It's a mix of By The Way/Californication with Blood Sugar Sex Magik. John is tearing up on guitar and Flea lays down the funkiest of funky bass grooves. What an album!
Yossarian said:We keep on harking back on Anthony's voice like it's some new revelation or something. There are great artists with poor vocals, great artists with poor vocals who go out of their way to further butcher up and distort their already lousy singing abilities, and then there are those who know that their vocals are a weakness and work on improving it. Anthony realized this a long time ago and has been improving ever since. If you compare his "Joke band" period when they first started out to now interms of harmonies/melodies and his expansion of his repertoire from a screamer/rapper, you hear how far he's come both in the studio and live, man. He's well suited for the band he plays in, you know? I don't know how large your sample size of the live show's of RHCP you've seen is, but out of like 9 live gigs I've seen of them, he was only piss poor in one of them and that was probably due to exhuastion.
Sometimes you can appreciate an individual from a band you don't particularly like, say a wicked bassist, drummer, lead, but I think in order to fully love and appreciate a band as a whole, you've gotta come to terms with the sum of the parts. I certainly couldn't go on hating the lead vocalist and still dig the rest of the band, man. It would drive me nuts, you know?
They did the album (half the tracks) premiere last night on the local new rock station over here and it was fantastic, bro. I promised myself that I wasn't going to listen to it but instead wait for the release, but I just couldn't, man. It was just too much to handle. My ears were starting to hurt from the anticipation, man.
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Virgo said:lawl, that caps off my night, someone accusing a commercial band of sort of selling out.
Yossarian said:How come NIN are spared from your wrath concerning commercialism? The biggest goth/industrial band out there, huh?
I think you've just got an irrational level of hate for this band and use the hallow and meaningless word of "commercial" as a crutch.
PhiLLer said:I'm sure the musical path the Chili Peppers have chosen wasn't chosen with selling more albums or getting onto MTV. The line-up changed and the last years they've been heavily influenced by the sound that John Frusciante brought along. At the moment he is the driving force behind the bands musical style.
Also they've become older, more mature and they've evolved just like every band.
Virgo said:quite convenient isn't it.
even if it wasn't intended, whatever, I don't hate them, I'm just not a fan.
However, they do play commercial rock (as in soft rock that sells) whether you guys want to admit it or not, and therefore it's impossible for them to sell out, hence my sentence that shocked Yoss.
I wasn't even having a go at them, hell most of the people here listen to stuff much more sh*tty in my books, so I just thought it was a stupid thing to say.
PhiLLer said:Like I said they're current sound is heavily influenced by the genius that is John Frusciante and he would be the last person on earth to start making commercial music for the sake of it.
Virgo said:nah NIN's last album was complete sh*te just because Trent lacked the talent (or the drugs) to do something good. By no means was it something like let's do this so we can sell more.
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Virgo said:Red Hot Chilli Peppers as well as bands like Incubus have suffered major shifts in their style, which coincided the band to become lighter, more "MTV friendly " or radio friendly and therefore sell more albums. The fanbase was largely changed as well. Is this just a coincidence? Is it just because they, as artists, decided to pursue another artistic path? I really don't think so.
See, I have no problems with bands that sell a lot, I have problems with bands or artists that change their style so they can sell more. For instance Chris Cornell, I hate his guts now and I'd bitchslap him if I saw in walking down the street.
Yossarian said:I think it's a decent album with some diverseness interms of the melodic, replayable songs and the edgy hard rock sounding ones. It's had a pretty good commercial success so that's probably what's bothering you about it most. If Trent's life was still spiralling out of control and the album was a commercial flop, you'd be all over it, because that'd mean that it was rejected by the tainted and stupid mainstream audience. It's a song-oriented and mellower project than his previous works, something I gather you associate with being commercial and too soft. You've gotta reinvent yourself in this business and go out of your comfort zone or else you won't survive much long with being bland and redundant. Like the members of the RHCP, he's no longer a kid, man. You can't expect him to regurgitate what he was doing 10-15yrs ago. He can't be the same drug-addled, angst ridden punk who was destroying his sets at this age and be still taken seriously. As you age, you either adapt and expand or you just clutch onto a raft of what got you to be famous in the first place and drown.
Yossarian said:What's too convenient and catchy a term is "Sellout" or "Commercial". Have they lost control of their music to outside influences? I don't think so. Why does anything that the record label is content with that gets decent radio/tv play has to be selling out? By that definition, just about every band with a modicum of success ever in the history of music would be a money grubbing sellout. I've just never understood why sucess is always equated with selling out. "Oh, they're no longer playing to a small circle of about 500 on Hollywood Blvd, they sold out', "They're actually gaining popularity and getting airplay", they've sold out, "they've challenged themselves, expanded their musical palette and have grown up", they've sold out.
As a band grows steadily in fan base support and emerges from the underground and has repeated success both critically and sales wise, it becomes 10x harder to sustain the edginess and hunger you had when you were just starting out and dirt poor and were just trying to survive until the next album, you know? And once you've gained a foothold in the industry and are no longer worried about putting food on the table and you're surrounded by outside influences who want to do this and that with your image and sound, and others who shower you with praises and awards left right and centre it becomes tough to pull off that same feeling that you had when you started out. Also, you've gotta take age into consideration. I'd be mighty depressed if a band that I supported were trying to pull off the same schtick that they were doing 15-20yrs ago.
Adding to your sound and making it distinctly different from what it was 20yrs ago does not equal selling out, man. You don't have to toil away in obscurity just to stay credible, man. There's nothing wrong with great album sales so long as it's not the first thing on your mind when you go into the studio.
Virgo said:See, I have no problems with bands that sell a lot, I have problems with bands or artists that change their style so they can sell more. For instance Chris Cornell, I hate his guts now and I'd bitchslap him if I saw in walking down the street.
Virgo said:no man you have no idea about what you're saying here. NIN are an industrial music band. This last album apart from one or two song didn't sound one tiny bit industrial. It sounded like so many other rock bands out there. And also the lyrics are shockingly bad.
True industrial music fans have every right not to like it. I have friends that didn't mind it, but most didn't like it as myself.
I have no idea about the commercial success of the album, because I stopped caring about it, but I bet my arse it didn't sell as much as either The Downward Spiral or The Fragile.
I think Trent has the right to change his style, as I have the right to not buy the new music he makes just because I was a massive fan of his previous works. The last thing I want is to become like an U2 fanboy that buys IPods just because the band says so and say "How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb" was a masterpiece and Vertigo was a kickass song, it's embarassing man.
but to make myself clear on this point:
I HEARD WITH TEETH BEFORE IT WAS ON SALE AND I DIDN'T LIKE IT FROM THE FIRST TIME I HEARD IT
ok?
Virgo said:I'll just say that a good example of a band that tears apart your whole sucess/maturing/change of style model is Tool.
The more Tool sells, the more mature they become and widen their fan base, yet, the more deep and complex their sound as gotten in search for their ideal sound.
You see I just can't accept that most of these other bands I've talked about moved towards MTV and radio friendly songs, just because they felt like it.
It's my opinion that most of them just stopped being artists and became music salesmen. You're obviously entitled to disagree with it as you like Red Hot and probably other bands that I referred. It would be weird if you didn't.
But please don't say I don't like it just because they sell a lot, that has absolutely nothing to do with it.