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The Poker Thread

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
Tajike said:
Damn, and I was on cloud 9 for winning $13 in two tournaments :(

@ Rob: not to sound too rude but I'm actually still waiting for that comprehensive guide on bonus hunting you were planning to write. Too busy or should I still be waiting impatiently?
Bah

Sorry mate.

http://www.tightpoker.com/bonus/

I didnt write that but, thats a very good guide and a good starting guide, I had one but the codes have changed now.
 

Tajike

SG's Fluffiest
This goes out to all avid poker players in here:

I and some members on the FC Porto forum are organizing an epic online poker tournament: Taj's Invitational Tournament of Poker Series 2006 (don't mind the name/ppl do stupid things when brainstorming in a drunk condition). Fact is that we have some places left for participants to join.

The TIToPS will consist of 7 main TIToPS events (private tournaments/first one on June 21st) and random tournaments provided by a certain poker site (not mentioned to avoid spam trouble).
I you decide to join I will PM you the entire concept of the TIToPS + a voucher code to receive $10 cash free in your account on that site. (this to start your ever-so-important bankroll)

Hope some of you online poker pros are tempted to take on a new challenge...
 

smoove

Reserve Team
Sorry for digging up this one but I didn't see it until now.

I've been playing NL Texas Hold 'em with friends and at tournaments,leagues for nearly 2 Years now, have read 4-5 books on the subject [I'd recommend phil hellmuth's "Play Poker Like the Pros"] and actually consider myself a somewhat good player. My only problem is to read my opposition [considering they are good players, fish are always easy to read]. I know the odds and pot odds, I know which hands to play, when to raise, etc. But I have problems if my opponent is slowplaying or bluffing, I never seem to read them right, which leads to some bad calls/laydowns. Any tips there Rob?
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
Well.

Seems like you need to probe bet more, say bet 1/3 of the pot on the flop, pick up information regardless of what you have, it will save you money on the turn/river, you will know you're beat, and it show strength also, so you also have fold equity, and sometimes you get lucky.

Read Harrington On Hold'em Vol1, Vol2.

Vol1 explain probe bets and continuation. Anoher thing, don't try and determine if he is bluffing or slowplaying, I rather put them on a range of hands, which subsquently lets me determine what he is doing.
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
http://www.checkraised.com/site/apps/hh/output.php?hid=7228
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Disgusting :(. Two runners the bastard hit, what a wreckless play by him, moved in on nothing after I raised pre-flop, bet at the flop and showed strength. He was 19-1 underdog (http://twodimes.net/poker/?g=h&b=3h+Tc+7s&d=&h=Qh+Qs Qc+Js)

Not only that, about 5 hands later, he busted me. QQ vs AA, He raised, I re-raised, flop came, figured I had best hand, bet at it, was pot committed, with $9 in there, and $8 left over, he re-raised, I knew he had KK or AA, but had to call.

:(

He is still at table, I bought back in, but this guy is a friggen donkey and has my $25 buy in.
 

Tajike

SG's Fluffiest
smoove said:
Sorry for digging up this one but I didn't see it until now.

I've been playing NL Texas Hold 'em with friends and at tournaments,leagues for nearly 2 Years now, have read 4-5 books on the subject [I'd recommend phil hellmuth's "Play Poker Like the Pros"] and actually consider myself a somewhat good player. My only problem is to read my opposition [considering they are good players, fish are always easy to read]. I know the odds and pot odds, I know which hands to play, when to raise, etc. But I have problems if my opponent is slowplaying or bluffing, I never seem to read them right, which leads to some bad calls/laydowns. Any tips there Rob?

If you're having problems reading your opponents on a physical level, try to pay attention to his betting patterns (even in hands you're not competing in). Get as much info as possible on your Villain. You'll quickly notice if he's a LAG or TAG player.
Try to lure your Villain out of his shell: small candybets, continuation betting, even dare to throw away good hands if you're in doubt (remember that almost all pros will fold Aces if it's their first hand).
Another thing to decrease the amount of bad calls/bad laydowns/bad beats is to not get too involved in a pot. Re-evaluate your odds, try to get as much info from the board as possible: if you have two pair and there's a straight or flush possibility on the board, fold your hand when there's a serious bet and you're in dire need of chips.

An example of how to evaluate players and their betting patterns from my tournament win last Thursday:

Table #146433 - Tournament #69910 Table #18
Starting Hand #8984788
Last Hand #8984761
Game Type: Hold'em
Limit Type: No Limit
Table Type: Tournament
Money Type: Tournament Chips
Blinds are now $150/$300
Button is at seat 5
Seat 1: BernieBlueEyes - $535
Seat 2: BettyB - $135
Seat 3: 1Heretoplay - $16100
Seat 5: tobisse - $180
Seat 8: Rahzak - $1870
Seat 9: Lilredhead - $5325
Seat 10: Tajike - $3860
Moving Button to seat 8
Lilredhead posts small blind ($150)
Tajike posts big blind ($300)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [2d 6c] to Tajike
BernieBlueEyes folds
BettyB folds
1Heretoplay folds
tobisse folds
Rahzak folds
Lilredhead calls $300
Tajike checks

Easy check as it's folded around to the SB who in turn just calls the BB. I've been playing at the same table with Lilredhead for an hour or so now. She's a loose passive player who just fooled around with someone else at the table for the last couple of hands.

Dealing Flop [2h 4c 5h]
Lilredhead checks
Tajike bets $900
Lilredhead calls $900

I hit bottom pair on the flop. The 4 and 5 don't scare me. Lil just checks and smooth calls my 2BB bet. I now put her on a pair (6's to T's)

Dealing Turn [Tc]
Lilredhead checks
Tajike bets $900
Lilredhead calls $900

I presume she doesn't have a T (she should have bet or either check/raised my 2BB bet, the way she has been doing the entire time). The call makes me put her on a straight draw (she's got the A, 6 or 7)

Dealing River [3c]
Lilredhead checks
Tajike bets $900
Lilredhead calls $900

I hit my 6 high straight (yeah yeah, nice suck out on the river). As I really believe there's a chance at a split pot or a higher kicker for Miss Lil I don't push as this would be a worthless decision. Again I bet 2BBs, again she just calls (obviously she has the straight/no bet or C/R so not a 7 high straight)

Tajike shows [2d 6c]
Tajike has Straight, 6 high
Lilredhead shows [Ac Ad] (!!!!)
Lilredhead has Straight, 5 high
Tajike wins $6000 with: Straight, 6 high

Surprise surprise as my 62o pw0nz AA. Let no one ever tell you again you can't get reads from online play...

Hope this helped you a bit. Good luck at the tables next time.

btw @ Rob: That QJ all in raise was just ugly. :nape: Please tell me you got some of that money back in a brutal fashion...
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
Tajike said:
If you're having problems reading your opponents on a physical level, try to pay attention to his betting patterns (even in hands you're not competing in). Get as much info as possible on your Villain. You'll quickly notice if he's a LAG or TAG player.
Try to lure your Villain out of his shell: small candybets, continuation betting, even dare to throw away good hands if you're in doubt (remember that almost all pros will fold Aces if it's their first hand).
Another thing to decrease the amount of bad calls/bad laydowns/bad beats is to not get too involved in a pot. Re-evaluate your odds, try to get as much info from the board as possible: if you have two pair and there's a straight or flush possibility on the board, fold your hand when there's a serious bet and you're in dire need of chips.

An example of how to evaluate players and their betting patterns from my tournament win last Thursday:



Easy check as it's folded around to the SB who in turn just calls the BB. I've been playing at the same table with Lilredhead for an hour or so now. She's a loose passive player who just fooled around with someone else at the table for the last couple of hands.



I hit bottom pair on the flop. The 4 and 5 don't scare me. Lil just checks and smooth calls my 2BB bet. I now put her on a pair (6's to T's)



I presume she doesn't have a T (she should have bet or either check/raised my 2BB bet, the way she has been doing the entire time). The call makes me put her on a straight draw (she's got the A, 6 or 7)



I hit my 6 high straight (yeah yeah, nice suck out on the river). As I really believe there's a chance at a split pot or a higher kicker for Miss Lil I don't push as this would be a worthless decision. Again I bet 2BBs, again she just calls (obviously she has the straight/no bet or C/R so not a 7 high straight)



Surprise surprise as my 62o pw0nz AA. Let no one ever tell you again you can't get reads from online play...

Hope this helped you a bit. Good luck at the tables next time.

btw @ Rob: That QJ all in raise was just ugly. :nape: Please tell me you got some of that money back in a brutal fashion...
Nup, been getting sucked out on all day in cash games.

So switched to a $11 tournament on Stars, now its still going, im on 7k, with blinds at 75/150, making some great reads and calls

Anyway, this hand almost put me on tilt

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP2 (t4059)
CO (t1450)
Button (t1200)
Hero (t4541)
BB (t2910)
UTG (t2555)
UTG+1 (t1445)
MP1 (t1850)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ks, Kd.
2 folds, MP1 calls t50, MP2 calls t50, 2 folds, Hero raises to t200, 1 fold, MP1 calls t150, MP2 calls t150.

Flop: (t650) Qd, 6s, 5h (3 players)
Hero bets t400, MP1 raises to t1650, MP2 folds, Hero calls t1250.

Turn: (t3950) Ah (2 players)

River: (t3950) 3h (2 players)

Final Pot: t3950

Results below:

MP1 has 9h Qh (flush, ace high).
Hero has Ks Kd (one pair, kings).
Outcome: MP1 wins t3950.
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
Not liking poker stars, so predictable, the bad beats keep coming and coming, weird flops time and time again, the shuffling just appears rather odd.
 

Tajike

SG's Fluffiest
Rob said:
Nup, been getting sucked out on all day in cash games.

So switched to a $11 tournament on Stars, now its still going, im on 7k, with blinds at 75/150, making some great reads and calls

Anyway, this hand almost put me on tilt

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP2 (t4059)
CO (t1450)
Button (t1200)
Hero (t4541)
BB (t2910)
UTG (t2555)
UTG+1 (t1445)
MP1 (t1850)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ks, Kd.
2 folds, MP1 calls t50, MP2 calls t50, 2 folds, Hero raises to t200, 1 fold, MP1 calls t150, MP2 calls t150.

Flop: (t650) Qd, 6s, 5h (3 players)
Hero bets t400, MP1 raises to t1650, MP2 folds, Hero calls t1250.

Turn: (t3950) Ah (2 players)

River: (t3950) 3h (2 players)

Final Pot: t3950

Results below:

MP1 has 9h Qh (flush, ace high).
Hero has Ks Kd (one pair, kings).
Outcome: MP1 wins t3950.

I [heart] donkaments :( (though I can't blame him for going all in, being shortstacked and after flopping top pair)

Did you piss off someone at PokerStars for them to pull the doomswitch on you...?
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
Short stacked? In relation to he blinds, he had plenty of time. He had 30X BB. Just a wreckless play.

I think he must have put me on AK, obviously not AQ :fool:

But yea, after being up $60 dollars yesterday, I am now down $80 :( So many horrible horrible beats, and ofcourse when I have a good day, I'll be loaded.



Look at all the big bad beats. :(

My bankroll is at 1100 USD atm, a bit of blackjack whoring, got a lot more to do also, so hopefully I will hit 2000 USD by end of September.
 

Tajike

SG's Fluffiest
Rob said:
Short stacked? In relation to he blinds, he had plenty of time. He had 30X BB. Just a wreckless play.

I think he must have put me on AK, obviously not AQ :fool:

But yea, after being up $60 dollars yesterday, I am now down $80 :( So many horrible horrible beats, and ofcourse when I have a good day, I'll be loaded.



Look at all the big bad beats. :(

My bankroll is at 1100 USD atm, a bit of blackjack whoring, got a lot more to do also, so hopefully I will hit 2000 USD by end of September.

Ah k, thought you guys were a bit deeper in the tournament. My bad. I still stand by my 'I [heart] donkaments'-statement though...

I'm glad my sporadic tournament and SnG play keep my BR around $400. Really need to improve my cashgame play to become a balla like you.
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
I just took up cash games about two weeks ago.

Getting much better on post-flop plays, and more willing to fire that second bullet if im blufffing.

What I need to do though is get a rigid note taking scheme in, I'd love a program that is a wizard that allows you to do that, asks you a question and you answer, yes, no, or how he plays AK, etc.
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
smoove said:
thanks for the help rob,tajike (Y)
If you play online, post a hand you had trouble reading, where you suffered a bad beat as a result.

We can help you, so play it better later on
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
How is this for a well played hand?

http://www.pokerhand.org/?516984

Calling the pre-flop raise was a bad move, put him on high pcckets so knew I was well behind. That flop came and I figured I was beat, checked it down, but then that small bet made me think, QQ or JJ. I knew he couldn't call it if I moved in, two overcards on the ball to his pocket, so I shoved.

He folded, and later on told me he had QQ.

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http://www.pokerhand.org/?516996 and ofcourse, losing on aces, after being well behind and then getting ahead, only to lose again.

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Tajike, do you read or post at 2+2 forums?
 


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