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The Arsenal [2008|2009]

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pede54

Team Captain
Arsenal had an average age of 24 last night. Spurs had an average age of 23. Arsenal can no longer insist that they alone field "the kids". Let that go it's bullsh!t.

Wenger fu<ked up big time last night, but chose to blame the players instead of himself. 4-2 up and he takes off Van Persie and Wallcott, and brings on Eboue (75 minutes) and Diaby (81 minutes). What sort of message did he think that would send out to the players on the pitch.

Wenger even said that at 4-2 down, Spurs had given up. How wrong was he with that obsevation?

Wenger blamed naivety from his young side,(Spurs actually fielded a younger side than Arsenal), insisting they must mature.

"I am angry," said the Frenchman. "We have to look at ourselves and improve. The players are very down. We were two levels above Tottenham and they were there for the taking. It was damaging.

"The maturity problem will improve with intelligence. They will learn from their mistakes. We have to work out why that happened and make sure it doesn't happen again."

This arrogant ungracious prick is surely talking about himself right there. He was the one who made the mistakes but will he ever take any blame? No, he's happy to blame his players who do exactly as they are told, no more and no less.

He even insisted that the arrival of Redknapp had no bearing on the way that Spurs played, refusing to acknowledge the value of Harry's expetise entirely. Did he underestimate Harry's influence on the Spurs team. Yes he certainly did.

Before the game Fabregas taking a leaf out of Wengers book of arrogance, said that the Arsenal ladies team could beat Spurs. Looking at last nights result that does not say a lot about the Arsenal team that played last night does it. Fabregas today was said to be gutted. Good, I hope it hurts a lot you silly twat.

Wenger has no idea at all about defence, and that will be his downfall until he replaces his French back four with some class. At the moment the Arsenal defence are a joke. It's ok having defenders who can score, but surely they should be able to defend, because this lot cannot.

Wengers best years was when he had a back four of Dixon, Keown, Adams and Winterburn, all inherited players I might add. Once they went on their way, he failed miserably to replace them with players of similar qualities.

Arsenal fail because they let in more goals than they score. It does not take a genius to work out a solution to that problem, but he is not able to do so.

He seems to think that if your midfield and forwards are constantly bombing forward, then there is no need to worry about the defence. Football is about defending just as much as it's about attacking Mr Wenger.

Now that is what I would call naive.

Well done to the Spurs kids. That was some game. (Y)
 

pede54

Team Captain
Man, Almunia can be so good. He pulls off some miraculous saves and is usually very aware. Last night the credit must go to Bentley for seeing that Almunia was off his line, but to be fair nobody thought that he would score a goal like that. The Lennon goal came after Almunia was hit full on with a ferocious shot, which bounced off him and into the path of Lennon.

I just don't feel that Almunia can be blamed solely for those goals. Where was the marking of lennon? Why did nobody in Arsenals defence or midfield close down Bentley.

The GK always seems to shoulder the blame, when the rest of the team could have done more to prevent a goal.

I'm not saying Almunia is the Worlds best GK, but he aint bad you know.
 

Filipower

Bunburyist
The fact is that those were two moments in which he should've done much better and ended up costing the match. If it wasn't for those two shots we wouldn't be here trashing Arsenal's cockiness or whatever you want to call it...

It's not the first time, either... Arsenal haven't had a decent keeper since Seaman.
 

PaPaGeorGeo

Fan Favourite
It wasn't Almunias fault, well the Bentley goal was but he is going to make mistakes from time to time. The amount of times he has bailed us out this year ways out the mistake. Clichys give away was criminal.

This next month is going to define our season. News is that Gallas and Eboue will miss the game against Stoke. Which better hand Djourou a start. I wish Wenger would rest Fabregas, hes out of form and is going to be burnt out by Christmas at this rate. Give Diaby a chance.

We must get results against Man U and Chelsea, to make up for the points we've dropped against the lesser teas
 

Zakov

Senior Squad
Since Seaman? I thought Lehmann was a pretty decent keeper. Sure his personality on the field stinks(it looks like it does) but he was the goalkeeper the year Arse won the league unbeaten in 03/04.
 

Filipower

Bunburyist
Hey I'm just giving out my opinion lads, I mean I'm not saying they're the worst keepers around, but every summer people complain about Wenger not spending money on this and that position and the keeper is never mentioned... I just think Arsenal could do much better...
 

pede54

Team Captain
Maybe you should consider getting a new manager too. Losing to Stoke City 2-1 FFS. Not looking good is it guys?

Van Persie sent off and Walcott and Adebayor injured. Add that to Gallas being dropped because he was caught smoking a fag, (some proffessional huh?) and it looks like Arsenal's season now enters the usual freefall.

Wenger's best days are over and done. Arsenal need to see the signs and act ASAP. I hope they don't though for personal reasons.

I can't wait to meet up with my gooner dad tonight :)
 

Zakov

Senior Squad
Who needs corners and free kicks when u've got Rory Delap.
Absolute monstrous throw for the 1st goal.

What the hell was R.V.P doing?
 

Tosiek

S&#322;owia&#324;ska Dusza
Just bring into the goal Fabia&#324;ski and your problems will be solved. Or at least let him go on a loan to some club that he can play regularly. Arsenal can't let his talent go to waste.
 

Mandieta6

Red Card - Life
Life Ban
Get rid of Wenger? WTF? After one bad week? Wenger's a great manager, and I think he'll bring more trophies to Arsenal, although he might have to do it quickly or change a few things, his squad has no consistency. Erratic stuff.
 

Zakov

Senior Squad
He's a great manager at playing beautiful football but he hasn't won as many trophies as he or Arsenal fans would've liked.

Thats due to his arrogant nature I suppose. He's a been bad loser since he came here. That's why when Arsenal have a setback they're always slow to recover.

In the years when Arsenal looked as pretenders for the title, Arsene had always had a good mix of experience, flair, and youth.

And it hasn't been just one week, teams like Fulham, Hull and Stoke know exactly what they need to do to beat Arsenal. They're getting more and more predictable, someone in the board room needs to knock sense into Wenger.
 

pede54

Team Captain
Mandieta6;2587353 said:
Get rid of Wenger? WTF? After one bad week? Wenger's a great manager, and I think he'll bring more trophies to Arsenal, although he might have to do it quickly or change a few things, his squad has no consistency. Erratic stuff.

No not after one bad week. It's been 4 fu<king years man. He is NOT a great manager. He is like Mourinho, very one dimensional. Like Jose he took the EPL by surprise when he first arrived here, but at least when Jose ran out of ideas he had the sense to get the hell out. Wenger is too full of himself to do that.

He's a great spotter of talent, and he is probably a good youth coach, but he is not a great manager. The last 4 years proves that.
 

Gunnersgoal22

Youth Team
Amazingly were still not out of this title race.
I will say though we'll have to start making changes to our XI and hope that they work. We'll also have to hope the injuries today weren't that serious.
If we want to win the title I think we need to stop playing Gallas and Toure together, and stop playing Silvestre all together. The thing I just don't understand about signing Silvestre is he was even a shaky defender in his prime at Man U. It's simple school boy errors he makes like the ball bounces over his head or he'll fall over when marking someone. If everyone's healthy this is the lineup I want to try.
Almunia
Sagna Djourou Gallas Clichy
Diaby
Fabregas
Walcott Nasri
RVP Ade

And Pede, Wenger has flaws and isn't the best manager in the world but he's still great. Maybe we have different ideas of what great is, but if Arsene isn't great than not many are. Yes he's made mistakes recently and the trophies have dried up, but every manager does, even Ferguson went a few years without the Prem. Imo turning Arsenal into one of the biggest clubs in Europe and putting us into contention for the Prem most years is great.
 

Zakov

Senior Squad
I always thought Toure was a better defender than Gallas. You should be playing Djourou and Toure together. And give the captaincy to Toure, since he was a decent captain IMO when he was given the armband.
 

pede54

Team Captain
Gunnersgoal22;2587425 said:
Amazingly were still not out of this title race.
I will say though we'll have to start making changes to our XI and hope that they work. We'll also have to hope the injuries today weren't that serious.
If we want to win the title I think we need to stop playing Gallas and Toure together, and stop playing Silvestre all together. The thing I just don't understand about signing Silvestre is he was even a shaky defender in his prime at Man U. It's simple school boy errors he makes like the ball bounces over his head or he'll fall over when marking someone. If everyone's healthy this is the lineup I want to try.
Almunia
Sagna Djourou Gallas Clichy
Diaby
Fabregas
Walcott Nasri
RVP Ade

And Pede, Wenger has flaws and isn't the best manager in the world but he's still great. Maybe we have different ideas of what great is, but if Arsene isn't great than not many are. Yes he's made mistakes recently and the trophies have dried up, but every manager does, even Ferguson went a few years without the Prem. Imo turning Arsenal into one of the biggest clubs in Europe and putting us into contention for the Prem most years is great.

Man Arsenal have no chance at all of winning the league again this season. Losing to the other teams who make up the "big 4" is sometimes to be accepted, but to lose to the lesser teams consistantly as Arsenal do will win you nothing.

Three losses this early into the season to the teams that you have lost to is NOT the mark of champions, and I think most gooners accept that.

As for what makes a manager great, then I agree that we do have a difference of opinion on that. I would expect a great manager to have some idea of how to motivate players, to have more than one idea how to play their game, and at the very least produce a team that scares the opposition. Wenger does none of those. Nobody is worried about playing Wengers Arsenal anymore. The Manager and players are weak and naive and have not found a formula for too many years now that actually puts Arsenal in contention for anything.

But hey, if you want to delude yourself for another 5 years mate, then thats up to you, but you are in the minority as far as Arsenal fans go. For many many gooners the Wenger dynasty needs to come to an end, and more and more fans are calling for his head to roll.

Personally I hope he stays because as long as he is in place, it's one less team for Chelsea to have to worry about. They are not a threat to any other clubs aspirations to win the title, and no matter what weak excuses Wenger uses for his team losing to teams like Stoke City, the truth is that he does not have a clue what to do to change things.

Since he replaced the strong players that he inherited when he arrived, he has failed miserably to form a team anything like the Arsenal of past managers. Sure the players dance around with the ball pretty well as they pass and pass and pass, but pretty footie is simply not enough, and to be honest with you Arsenal do not even play the best footie in the league any more. So when you take that away what are you left with. Nothing, thats what.

So you keep the faith with Wenger mate but remember, nobody is bigger than the club, and that includes the so called manager.

It isn't any secret that I have disliked Arsenal for donkeys years, even before Wenger arrived, but at the end of the day I am still a fan, and I know how frustrated and hurt gooners feel because I've been there more times than any gooner has, but the day must eventually come when a club has to say enough is enough, for the sake of the team, the club and the fans. That time has long passed as far as Arsenal are concerned, and your boardroom need to pull their fingers out of the arses and act sooner rather than later.
 

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