FC Bayern München Thread [2008/09]

Well we got Tymo so i really have no feelings on him leaving. If him leaving means we can go on the market and get a new CM than i am all for Cana.

You guys kept telling me that Cana and Tymo can't work together, and I disagreed completely. Van Bommel isn't someone like Diego, he's more of a box-to-box kind of guy, not a playmaker, as is Tymo in my opinion. Cana can play DM, overtaking Ze Roberto.

But I think it's probably too much money to spend on center mids in one summer unless we sell Ribery

but van bommel has much more meters (area arrival) than tymonshuck or cana, ho IMO are so close, ze roberto its a much more creative player, if bayern wanna play some atractive football must go to the market to sign someone like hamsik style.

Arnau;2633104 said:

but van bommel has much more meters (area arrival) than tymonshuck or cana, ho IMO are so close, ze roberto its a much more creative player, if bayern wanna play some atractive football must go to the market to sign someone like hamsik style.

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Hamsik would be a dream. He would never come here though.

hleb.


mikel arteta, defour, witsel, moutinho... theres a lot of chances to choise!

I agree, but we just are not that sophisticated buying players. We either buy the best players from the other German teams, or we buy terrible bombs like Sosa and Santa Cruz to an extent. Toni and Tymoschuk are rare from us, and I don't think we would get any player that you mentioned. I don't think I'd want Arteta, but I'd love Moutinho.

EDIT: And honestly, if we had to sell Ribery, I think Hleb would be a decent replacement. He was a success in the Bundesliga before.

then sign sami khedira. xD

Arnau;2633113 said:

then sign sami khedira. xD

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I'm not sure if this is translating, but I hate the way we do business. We just do a terrible job at identifying players. You listed 6 players who are young, have great talent, and are at clubs vastly inferior to Bayern. We just TRASHED Moutinho's club 5-0 in their home stadium. I don't think it's unfair to suggest that most, if not all, of those guys would be delighted to come to Bayern. Furthermore, they would all be expensive, but not as expensive as already established superstars at big clubs; I can't imagine that we would spend over 15M euros on any of them aside from Hamsik. And yet there is no way we will sign them.

The worst example of our incompetence was the summer of 2006 when we decided to spend 10M on Daniel van Buyten (Hamburg then took that money and replaced him with Vincent Kompany ), instead of 5M on Per Mertesacker, who was 21 and already the best defender in Germany. We just have no idea what we're doing, and it's not going to change anytime soon.

And I love Tymoschuk, but the man is going to be 30 when he signs for us. We basically refuse to sign players under 30. It's incompetent. There's no long term strategy at all; we just try to string the success 2 more years longer.

what i cant undersant its the load of tony kroos, the biggest german talent.

Arnau;2633127 said:

what i cant undersant its the load of tony kroos, the biggest german talent.

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Kroos is another problem of mine. But I can understand that a little; we loaned Philipp Lahm to Stuttgart when he was 20 and 21 and when he came back to Bayern he was one of the best in the world. And going to Leverkusen is not too bad because they have good coaches and good facilities.

I read about the newspaper which tells Germany's youth system comparing as my country a month ago. They especially show Leverkusen's example as a case of great youth system. Recently they grew many good youngs.

Well that's good, but Kroos isn't going to be playing with their U-19s. But remember, Ballack became a star at Leverkusen.

There was extra one about senior one but they mostly said about Junior teams though. Btw I think they can make Kroos quite better to provide him enough chance.

Yeah Leverkusen, Stuttgart and Berlin have the best youth systems in Germany right now with Hoffenheim probably joining them soon.
But youth sports systems in Germany in general are pretty bad or net even really existing, beginning with absolutely nonsense p.e.

I might sound stupid now, but who is this Hamsik guy? I have heard his name before, but I have no idea what's so special about him.

Arnau;2632891 said:

according the medias the club has the OK of bayern to talk with ribery. what i think, ribery its just a big name of the staff for next season and the newspaper think its already signed

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Bayern are not going to sell their best player two years before the end of his contract. They will offer him a new contract in the next months that would make him one of the best paid players in the world. If he doesn't want to stay beyond 2011 then we can talk about a possible transfer in the summer of 2010 but nothing's gonna happen before that.

Deisler;2633102 said:

Well we got Tymo so i really have no feelings on him leaving. If him leaving means we can go on the market and get a new CM than i am all for Cana.

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It looks like Ze will sign another contract extension so he'll play alongside Tymoschuk next season. And then there's Schweinsteiger who wants to play in the middle. Bringing in a new fullback, a right attacking midfielder to complement Ribery and a goalkeeper has to be top priority.

ShiftyPowers;2633124 said:

The worst example of our incompetence was the summer of 2006 when we decided to spend 10M on Daniel van Buyten (Hamburg then took that money and replaced him with Vincent Kompany ), instead of 5M on Per Mertesacker, who was 21 and already the best defender in Germany.

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Van Buyten is a decent squad player and is Ribery's best mate at the club. That deal wasn't that bad.
Kompany turned out to be a flop who was injured most of the time. Hamburg were happy to get rid of him. Mertesacker hasn't developed as hoped, Lucio and Demichelis are clearly superior to him.

And I love Tymoschuk, but the man is going to be 30 when he signs for us. We basically refuse to sign players under 30. It's incompetent. There's no long term strategy at all; we just try to string the success 2 more years longer.

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The thing is if he were a few years younger he'd be going to England or Spain. We stand no chance of signing the likes of Mascherano (some people here seriously overrate Cana btw.) and there are no good DMs in the Bundesliga so Tymoschuk was the best available and didn't cost a fortune. He still has a few years of quality football left in him.

Loaning Kroos to Leverkusen was the best that could happen to the kid. He wouldn't make our matchday squad if everyone's fit and he doesn't quite suite our system. Leverkusen is a fantastic place to develop as a young player. We'll either get back a class player who's ready for Bayern in 2010 or we'll know that he was just another hyped up kid.

ShiftyPowers;2633110 said:

EDIT: And honestly, if we had to sell Ribery, I think Hleb would be a decent replacement. He was a success in the Bundesliga before.

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Hleb would be a great addition. We were interested in him last year and there are rumors that we might go after him again this summer (Hleb-Tymoschuk-Ze Roberto-Ribery, that doesn't look too shabby ).

Hendrik;2633165 said:

Bayern are not going to sell their best player two years before the end of his contract. They will offer him a new contract in the next months that would make him one of the best paid players in the world. If he doesn't want to stay beyond 2011 then we can talk about a possible transfer in the summer of 2010 but nothing's gonna happen before that.

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To that end, it is in Ribery's best interest to not change clubs until after the World Cup. When he is one of the stars of the tournament he can command an even higher salary than he does now. That applies more to young players, but it's true about everyone.

Hendrik;2633165 said:

The thing is if he were a few years younger he'd be going to England or Spain. We stand no chance of signing the likes of Mascherano (some people here seriously overrate Cana btw.) and there are no good DMs in the Bundesliga so Tymoschuk was the best available and didn't cost a fortune. He still has a few years of quality football left in him.

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I understand what you're saying, but look at the guys that Arnau listed: Moutinho is in a worse league (and I don't really see Man U buying him any time soon, they already have Anderson in the same position and he never plays), Witsel and Defour are in BELGIUM! Both of those guys have won the best player in Belgium award. But instead of one of those guys we are going to stretch another year out of Ze Roberto. I love Ze, but when do we think of the future?

Elber2k3;2633162 said:

Yeah Leverkusen, Stuttgart and Berlin have the best youth systems in Germany right now with Hoffenheim probably joining them soon.
But youth sports systems in Germany in general are pretty bad or net even really existing, beginning with absolutely nonsense p.e.

I might sound stupid now, but who is this Hamsik guy? I have heard his name before, but I have no idea what's so special about him.

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Marek Hamsik is very over rated imo, he plays for Napoli in the Serie A

I am still not sold of this Baumjohann guy. He looks to me like a second coming of Shlaudraff. I mean he was discarded at Schalke and all of a sudden became great in Glad'bach? I am not sold on him at all.

I was watching some TSV clips and i noticed they had a pair of youngsters i really liked. They turned out to be twins lol. I am talking about Lars and Sven Bender. Since Vince is here and since we all agree he is more in touch with German talent i wanted to get his take on those two. Anything in particular? Or just hyped kids?

Also i want to touch a topic not many are mentioning. Seems Diego is bound to leave Brehmen. Why not in Munich? Imagine him, Schweinny, Tymo and Ribery. That would settle our midfield and allow us to concentrate in more urgent matters such as finding a decent goalie, signing a new right back (Hinkel or perhaps Zhirkov anyone?) and sign another striker to complement Toni and Klose.

CBs should be kept as they are. Lucio, Micho and Van Buyten should be platooning til Breno is ready to take that center of defense over.

Deisler;2633181 said:

I am still not sold of this Baumjohann guy. He looks to me like a second coming of Shlaudraff. I mean he was discarded at Schalke and all of a sudden became great in Glad'bach? I am not sold on him at all.

I was watching some TSV clips and i noticed they had a pair of youngsters i really liked. They turned out to be twins lol. I am talking about Lars and Sven Bender. Since Vince is here and since we all agree he is more in touch with German talent i wanted to get his take on those two. Anything in particular? Or just hyped kids?

Also i want to touch a topic not many are mentioning. Seems Diego is bound to leave Brehmen. Why not in Munich? Imagine him, Schweinny, Tymo and Ribery. That would settle our midfield and allow us to concentrate in more urgent matters such as finding a decent goalie, signing a new right back (Hinkel or perhaps Zhirkov anyone?) and sign another striker to complement Toni and Klose.

CBs should be kept as they are. Lucio, Micho and Van Buyten should be platooning til Breno is ready to take that center of defense over.

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Agree about Baumjohann, that signing came out of nowhere. I don't like signing players that young unless they have immense potential. If we got Diego to play with Tymo and Ribery that would be one of the most entertaining midfields ever.

I think Zhirkov is more of a midfielder, and definitely a left sided player, but yeah we need a new right back. I swear to god if we spend money on Oddo I will be so freaking mad. I really don't know who we can get to play on that right side.

And never forget about a new GK. There are plenty in the Bundesliga: I like Adler, paolo likes Neuer.

I like Neuer too, till i saw Adler in the NT Although i would probably go after Enke. he will come for cheap and is a veteran with European experience (Played in Barcelona and Benfica if i am not mistaken). Let Adler and Neuer where they are. They have all the time in the world to be Bayern bound. Especially Neuer, he is only 22. That for a goalie is way too young. He has at least 16-17 years ahead of him if he pans out.

Oddo seems to be the obvious choice still or at least for next season as well. I would try to negotiate with Leverkusen and see if Gonzalo Castro is available though. He is only 21 and has great potential, reminds me of a young Lizarazu.