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Real Madrid Thread 2009-2010

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Mandieta6

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You'll laugh, but I'd place Lampard in the list with Iniesta and Gerrard. Vision, pass, shot, he can defend very well and his workrate is unquestionable.
 

Coruja

Senior Squad
Arnau;2698388 said:
bull****s.
maradona only use the left leg and he is ,more than probably, the best football player ever. Messi use to decide the big matches, score in all finals and almost all clássicos he play, is much more decisive and unpredictable than ronaldo.

More decisive than Ronaldo in this last season yes. Two season ago Ronaldo was more decisive. Unpredictable i have to agree Messi is better. Maradona Era and Messi's Era is different two kind of footballs. If you ask me if Maradona is better than Ronaldo... Yes he was, but Ronaldo has 24 years old, so it's not a suprise.

In football all it matters to win is goals, and Maradona/Messi sure are unpredictable. But in a full match, there are other things needed, and Ronaldo has everything.
 

Coruja

Senior Squad
ArgVega;2698425 said:
you won't find better header than this:



I think its pretty even between the two of them, but for me, messi is more decisive in matches... if you are looking at complete football package than iniesta or gerrard would take the cake

He was alone, but yes, good header. but look at this:



Iniesta and Gerrard are tremendous players, but it's not the same conversation.
 

Dytza

Banned - Playing with Fire
Coruja;2698437 said:
More decisive than Ronaldo in this last season yes. Two season ago Ronaldo was more decisive. Unpredictable i have to agree Messi is better. Maradona Era and Messi's Era is different two kind of footballs. If you ask me if Maradona is better than Ronaldo... Yes he was, but Ronaldo has 24 years old, so it's not a suprise.

In football all it matters to win is goals, and Maradona/Messi sure are unpredictable. But in a full match, there are other things needed, and Ronaldo has everything.

And Messi is just 22 years old. I a full match, Messi comes in defence and help his side teammate more than Ronaldo does. Messi has more passes/match and a better accuracy of them (84% - 82%). Messi has a bigger dribble average (7.2) / match than Ronaldo (4.8).

Also talking about vision in the pitch, Messi always makes more assists then Ronaldo. :D

Haha both headers exposed are on the same pitch and in the same goal :D
 

Coruja

Senior Squad
Dytza;2698443 said:
And Messi is just 22 years old. I a full match, Messi comes in defence and help his side teammate more than Ronaldo does. Messi has more passes/match and a better accuracy of them (84% - 82%). Messi has a bigger dribble average (7.2) / match than Ronaldo (4.8).

Also talking about vision in the pitch, Messi always makes more assists then Ronaldo. :D

Haha both headers exposed are on the same pitch and in the same goal :D

We're talking about the present, i know that in 2 years he can improve a lot!

About that statistics, what season they are?
 

Dytza

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Coruja;2698448 said:
We're talking about the present, i know that in 2 years he can improve a lot!

About that statistics, what season they are?

They are from this season. Intern League and Champions league.

And IMO present represents 08-09 season too. Things haven't change so dramatically since that.
 

Coruja

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Dytza;2698451 said:
They are from this season. Intern League and Champions league.

And IMO present represents 08-09 season too. Things haven't change so dramatically since that.

I think they changed. I almost can tell that even in last season you would say that Messi was better, so what's difference? When i talk about present i talk about the begining of the "rivalries" between the 2. When you said that Messi's only 22 y/old you were talking about the future. I am a Benfica supporter so i dont care if Real Madrid loses or win, so i hope that you guys dont misunderstood my opinion. So i dont see the need to Neg Rep me because of this, if you guys have sure about Messi's qualities why bother to neg rep me because of an opinion?
 

Arnau

NGR LVR
Coruja;2698437 said:
More decisive than Ronaldo in this last season yes. Two season ago Ronaldo was more decisive. Unpredictable i have to agree Messi is better.

messi score a hattrick vs real madrid at age 19. he has always been decisive, messi use to show his best version in the toughest matches. how many goals score ronaldo to liverpool in 6 years?
 

Coruja

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Arnau;2698453 said:
messi score a hattrick vs real madrid at age 19. he has always been decisive, messi use to show his best version in the toughest matches.

No doubt about it.
 

Dytza

Banned - Playing with Fire
Coruja;2698452 said:
I think they changed. I almost can tell that even in last season you would say that Messi was better, so what's difference? When i talk about present i talk about the begining of the "rivalries" between the 2. When you said that Messi's only 22 y/old you were talking about the future. I am a Benfica supporter so i dont care if Real Madrid loses or win, so i hope that you guys dont misunderstood my opinion. So i dont see the need to Neg Rep me because of this, if you guys have sure about Messi's qualities why bother to neg rep me because of an opinion?

I haven't neg repped you ;) We just discuss no need to neg rep you. Or at least not for me.

Why do I talk about future when i say he is only 22. You just said Ronaldo is only 24.
 

Coruja

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Dytza;2698456 said:
I haven't neg repped you ;) We just discuss no need to neg rep you. Or at least not for me.

Why do I talk about future when i say he is only 22. You just said Ronaldo is only 24.


I didn't say that it was you, i was talking to the person who did it. :)


What i understood about that it was that you were saying that Messi's is 2 years old younger than Ronaldo, and that in 2 years he can be a lot better that already is. So i said you're talking about future when you said that.
 

Pogba4Now

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Arnau;2698388 said:
bull****s.
maradona only use the left leg and he is ,more than probably, the best football player ever. Messi use to decide the big matches, score in all finals and almost all clássicos he play, is much more decisive and unpredictable than ronaldo.

Shows your ignorance. Ronaldo has been decisive in many games for us in the 2007-2008 season. He scored for us in the CL final. I'm not saying Ronaldo is more decisive, I think they're equal on that. Last season wasn't his season though.

If you compare Ronaldo at his best (2007-2008 season) Vs Messi at his best (2008-2009), I'd say Ronaldo is better. But for the 2008-2009 season Messi was definitely better. Messi has got better dribbling for sure, but Ronaldo has got better strength, long range efforts, free kicks, headers. You cannot argue that.

So overall Ronaldo wins for me if you compare both players at their best. But maybe we haven't seen Messi's best yet, same for Ronaldo. Things might change.
 

B9Goal

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Arnau;2698457 said:
you come late, roma wont sell him and his "newest" objective its Cesc fábregas.

See how late the news gets overseas :icon_spin:. And I'm guessing Arsenal would rather sell Cesc to Barca than Madrid.
 

Arnau

NGR LVR
Nady;2698699 said:
Shows your ignorance. Ronaldo has been decisive in many games for us in the 2007-2008 season. He scored for us in the CL final. I'm not saying Ronaldo is more decisive, I think they're equal on that. Last season wasn't his season though.

If you compare Ronaldo at his best (2007-2008 season) Vs Messi at his best (2008-2009), I'd say Ronaldo is better. But for the 2008-2009 season Messi was definitely better. Messi has got better dribbling for sure, but Ronaldo has got better strength, long range efforts, free kicks, headers. You cannot argue that.

So overall Ronaldo wins for me if you compare both players at their best. But maybe we haven't seen Messi's best yet, same for Ronaldo. Things might change.

the only times i've seen ronaldo being decisive was this season, against porto or aston villa for example he improve in this aspect, but IMO he keep thinking can beat a team hiself and thats wrong.
 

Pogba4Now

Team Captain
yes I agree for this season. He wasn't that decisive. I was talking about the 2007-2008 season in which he was at his best. Last season wasn't as good as 2007-2008 definitely.
 

Dytza

Banned - Playing with Fire
Nady;2698910 said:
yes I agree for this season. He wasn't that decisive. I was talking about the 2007-2008 season in which he was at his best. Last season wasn't as good as 2007-2008 definitely.

in 2007-2008 he also hasn't scored against big teams or in derbies. He was **** against us in both legs. He used to score some great goals against Prtsmouth, FUlham and other teams like those...

Sorry if i'm wrong...
 

RUSI

El Merengue Argentino
It's been a while since I get on SG
I dont want to get into this dumb argument between Ronaldo and Messi as they are both out of this world players....

Anyways I wanted to talk a bit about the formation we will play next season
If I understand correctly I think our formation will look like

---------------Casillas
-Ramos - Pepe - Albiol - Marcelo
------------Lass - Other CM*
Ronaldo---------------------Kaka
----------Higuain--Benzema

Thats a very good team, I just hope we
(a)can get xabi or cesc to play by lass
(b)hope that the four attackers can work well together
(c)there isnt too many problems with playing time between everyone

We will have to sell off a lot of talent..
If we do somehow get Ribery, I would say we will probably drop a striker.. but right now I'd say that we'll look to get him next summer
 

Arnau

NGR LVR
i heard rumours about cazorla, honestly would be a great sign. I think pellegrini (florentino) its going to use a 4-2-3-1.
 
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