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Well it seems there was some truth in Ando's story:
http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1778_5514054,00.html
But it has been blown out of proportion. It basically said that he expected to play in the Community Shield, SAF wanted more from him and left him out, Ando's has accepted it and wants to stay.....
http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1778_5514054,00.html
But it has been blown out of proportion. It basically said that he expected to play in the Community Shield, SAF wanted more from him and left him out, Ando's has accepted it and wants to stay.....
seriously, Fergie could release Anderson's immense talent towards a free role in the attack instead of keeping him so tied up in midfield.cfdemarco;2724990 said:
In Porto he was used as a pure AM, featuring a lot down the wings and behind the striker, so I think he could be a good alternative for your offensive line.
It's true that his game matured a lot under the Sir Alex and he can be a good assett holding up the midfield but his raw skill is truly directed at making a mess out of the opponent's defense.
my 2 cents, I'd just hate to see the kid's abillity being wasted.
yeah, i would love to see anderson in a AM role. but carrick is a CM, not a DM, so when both carrick and anderson play anderson has to play CM too.
with fletcher now making noise for more first team selections, so we should see anderson play as a AM and fletch as a DM maybe. although fletch still seems a bit skinny to be our only DM on the pitch, even with his excellent tackling skills.
we have an immense midfield. this is a really good thing, i just hope i never see a narrow united like the one that was fielded against Burnley. that is the first time i have ever seen united play with out an out and out winger on the field. i was amazed.
with fletcher now making noise for more first team selections, so we should see anderson play as a AM and fletch as a DM maybe. although fletch still seems a bit skinny to be our only DM on the pitch, even with his excellent tackling skills.
we have an immense midfield. this is a really good thing, i just hope i never see a narrow united like the one that was fielded against Burnley. that is the first time i have ever seen united play with out an out and out winger on the field. i was amazed.
kp40;2721767 said:
You are clueless. Sure Manure gets bad starts but they don't lose to Burnley... You are trying to compare a loss to Citeh and Pool to Burnley. Seriously you need to wake up. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Manure finishes 6th this year. Missing your number one goal scorer and SAF actually thinks Rooney and company can pick up the missing goals from Ronaldo and Tevez. Let me know when he comes back from his delusional state. He might need to go get an attacking midfielder to play a 4-1-2-1-2 instead of the traditional 4-4-2. Look at your CM's, (Carrick, Scholes, Anderson, Fletcher, Gibson, Hargreaves) Not a one will come close to 10 goals. I would also be surprised if any of them actually got 5.
Nani, Anderson compare them to Denilson, Song and Diaby. They all came in to their respected teams in around 06/07. Sure Nani and Anderson saw action early and played defiantly better then the 3 Arsenal players but they haven't Progressed far since then while Denilson, Song have defiantly progressed by leaps and bounds. Song might be Top 10 players for their style. Can you say that for Nani or Anderson? Anderson isn't better then Denilson. Denilson will put balls in the back of the net and his positioning allows him to intercept many passes. Actually intercepted the most passes for Arsenal last season.
cfdemarco;2724990 said:
You guys have depth, but it lacks quality after you lost Ronaldo. Nani cant even be compared to Ronaldo. He's too inconsistent. Valencia cant score. Anderson cant score but he can pass. Carrick is inconsistent. Scholes and Giggs have quality but they're not getting any younger. Hargreaves...I don't even remember the last time he played. Park is a squad player, not exactly screaming quality. And Obertan spent the second half of last season at a Ligue 2 club.
thetrooper37
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Tawalkana;2725223 said:
OF COURSE! We can't score the goals now that Ronaldo is gone! I mean, we did just spank Wigan 5-0!! I also like how you're suggesting we should play 4-5-1 instead of 4-4-2 when apparently we need more goals. Surely a formation with 2 strikers is more attack minded than a formation with 1?
Oh and one more thing, Tevez scored 5 league goals last season. It won't be hard to replace his tally.
thetrooper37;2725239 said:
I also like how you're suggesting we should play 4-5-1 instead of 4-4-2 when apparently we need more goals. Surely a formation with 2 strikers is more attack minded than a formation with 1?
Oh and one more thing, Tevez scored 5 league goals last season. It won't be hard to replace his tally.
1. Did you watch the Wigan match? That result was VERY skewed. The first half could have well been a performance from any midtable team, and although you deserved to win in the 2nd half, I'd say you very lucky to score in those 5 chances. It really looked like Kirkland lost it after the first 2 goals, especially after having a very good first half. Quite like Chelsea's performances against Fulham, Sunderland and Hull should've been reflected by a 3 goal difference scoreline, the Wigan match should've been the exact opposite. But good on Rooney et al for showing some good finishing.
2. 4-5-1 means dominating possession and the midfield when it's applied in a team like ManU. Your 5 goals depsite not playing spectacularly against Wigan prove that you just need a few chances to tie a game up. Think of how many chances you'll get when you control the game completely? If given the chance and time, any of Owen, Rooney and Berbatov could thrive in a 4-5-1. Ferguson just doesn't like that formation, and it's understandable. Your midfield has depth but it's mostly filled with squad players, whereas the 3 strikers you have are all potential match-winners. Why bench 2 of them, that'd mean a loss of form and fitness for the majority of your strike force, or a loss of form for all 3 if they are constantly rotated.
Basically, you could score more goals in 4-5-1, it's not ridiculous, but it's not a formation that plays to your strengths.
thetrooper37;2725239 said:
I also like how you're suggesting we should play 4-5-1 instead of 4-4-2 when apparently we need more goals. Surely a formation with 2 strikers is more attack minded than a formation with 1?
Oh and one more thing, Tevez scored 5 league goals last season. It won't be hard to replace his tally.
EEEEK... Wigan... Great team there... The current Wigan team couldn't beat last years Wigan team. Last year when they had Heskey and Palacios. When was the first goal scored btw? 50+ minute? Yeah... Blackpool just beat Wigan 4-1. Did you even watch the game or just the highlights? Wigan had many chances to go up top in the first half.
Wayne Rooney (56)
Dimitar Berbatov (58)
Wayne Rooney (65)
Michael Owen (85)
Nani (90)
thetrooper37
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^ I know you can score goals in a 4-5-1. There IS a reason why a lot of managers bring in an extra striker if they're losing a game though.
And the result may have been skewed but you can also say that we could've beat Birmingham with a score line of 4-1. The fact is, we scored 5 goals.
Either way, I just found it absurd that Tawalkana is putting us in 6th place...what a joke. You can't seriously believe that Ronaldo is the difference of 6 places.
btw, why does it matter what minute the goal is scored in? 5 goals went in, that's what matters. I couldn't care less if they only came in the first half or in the second.
And the result may have been skewed but you can also say that we could've beat Birmingham with a score line of 4-1. The fact is, we scored 5 goals.
Either way, I just found it absurd that Tawalkana is putting us in 6th place...what a joke. You can't seriously believe that Ronaldo is the difference of 6 places.
btw, why does it matter what minute the goal is scored in? 5 goals went in, that's what matters. I couldn't care less if they only came in the first half or in the second.
thetrooper37;2725269 said:
I never said you would finish in 6th. I said I wouldn't be surprised if you Manure finished in 6th. You might actually want to read what I stated and not make **** up. BTW its not just Ronaldo but Tevez and aging Midfield in Scholes, Giggs, and not to mention the little progression of Nani and Anderson. Anderson hasn't progressed better then Fletcher nor IMO has Nani progressed further then Park which is sad in itself.
Manchester Doesn't have the attacking threats to play a Counter Attacking and offensive game. MU needs to focus more on possession and holding onto the ball and finding chances.
I'm just assuming here based on your words though... Its seems you think Valencia, Obertan, and Owen can replace Ronaldo and Tevez? You trying to make me laugh or you just have that much stupidity and blind faith in SAF?
thetrooper37
Senior Squad
Tawalkana;2725283 said:
"wouldn't be surprised" means you think we can realistically finish 6th which is a joke.
Our attacking threat will come from the fact that both Rooney and Berbatov will actually play as strikers this season. Owen will easily replace Tevez. He only needs 4 more goals to equal the Argentine's tally. Ronaldo is obviously irreplaceable and even if we were to spend money on someone like Ribery, it wouldn't be the same. Either way, it's not like Arsenal, Chelsea, or Liverpool have Ronaldo on their team.
If you've actually watched Nani recently, you'd notice that he's been playing a lot better and the improvement is clearly starting to show.
"Manchester Doesn't have the attacking threats to play a Counter Attacking and offensive game. MU needs to focus more on possession and holding onto the ball and finding chances." - and this is bad why exactly? It was obvious as soon as we sold Ronaldo that our style of play would change.
And yes, I do have faith in Ferguson. He's been bringing titles to United for over 20 years. When's the last time Wenger won anything?
Either way, this discussion is meaningless until the end of the season.
People seem to forget that SAF has been winning things for more then 20 years for us. Was Ronaldo here over 20 years? And Tevez? No! And the funny thing is Tawalkana should be focusing on his own team. Wenger has been giving the same reasons for not winning anything in the past 5 years or so. You wouldn't be suprised if we finished 6th? This is from an Arsenal supporters whoms club has been struggling to finished 4th in the last couple of years. Sure Arsenal have had a great start, but three games has just been played (for us) and we are level on points. That can all change over the weekend....Don't be so quick to judge. Never doubt SAF. He didn't bring in Valencia to reproduce another Ronaldo, it is quite easy to judge a player (Obertan) whiles he hasn't played yet and Owen is still one of the best finishers in the bizz...It is true that Nani and Anderson haven't developed much yet, but most of the goals thus far came from Nani or Valencia crosses and the little bust-up between Anderson and SAF shows that Ando is buzzing to show his stuff....
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