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2012 USA Election Day Thread

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Let's keep this as fair and balanced as possible.





Those of you in nations with legalized gambling might want to put down a bet on Barry Soetoro. The waters are being muddied by a pundit class that really wants to push a "too close to call" narrative and the right wing who just lie about everything, but this is pretty much a sure thing. If your local bookie's odds don't reflect 1/10 odds, then place a bet.

A typical US political ad:
 
Representative of WI (Shifty*i State) 1st district


Pauly R!




occasionally masquerades as sucky Aaron Rodgers impersonator.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Odd that I saw him waving a terrible towel the other day



******* traitor. Also not my representative, thank god. I'm represented by a heavy set black lady who will serve as long as she wants because of gerrymandering.

In other news, it seems likely the Democrats will retain control of the Senate with about 52 seats.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
He might run, but he stands no chance. He's been total **** for Romney and was pathetic in the VP debate. There are also allegedly a lot of good Republican candidates who didn't want to run against Obama. Anyway, we usually don't elect Presidents from the House of Representatives, i.e. the lower chamber of Congress, and aside from VP he doesn't really have any higher office to aspire to. Governor of Wisconsin is a Republican, one Senator is a Republican, and the other Senate seat is being voted on this year and then will be up for election again in 2018 which is the earliest he could think about getting to higher office (except VP) if we assume he won't get elected President from the House.
 

clash

Senior Squad
Everytime we get elections here, I tell people "if this party wins it, i'll have to move the **** away from Estonia". It is so annoyong, that I have nowhere to go when Romney gets to be the next President of the World, nowhere to run, nowhere to ******* hide.
 
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Sir Calumn

Guest
Right, been looking forward to today, I love elections.

First thing to say is that even as a right-winger myself I think Obama deserves re-election, whilst he has not lived up to much expectation and many of his own promises he has been severely restricted by limitations on the power of the presidency and has performed extremely well in those areas where the president does have clear power (ie military and immediate foreign policy response and disaster reaction).

Second thing to say is that no matter what anyone tells you Romney IS a good candidate and would NOT be dangerous for America. Obama has had a relatively bad campaign and Romney a very good one, I dont think anyone thought he was capable of such a strong campaign and debate performance to be honest, he has proved a lot of people wrong and should be proud of himself. He has pushed an election which republicans a few months ago considered a certain loss (cf the fact that none of the serious republican hopefuls even thought about running) into a very close thing.

I still think Obama will win. If Romney wants to win, he first has to secure the narrow republican states like NC and Arizona, which he should do even though Arizona is a challenge due to hispanic population and the fact that election was Arizona main man John McCain, not northern mormon Romney. I think he will take Florida, they have had such an economic battering and there are so many rich old jews there. Then he has to EITHER take the swing states Iowa, Ohio and Colorado OR pull his "home" marginals away from Obama (Michigan, Ryan's Wisconsin, his holiday home New Hampshire). I dont think he will do the latter as the auto industry bailout of Obama should trump his michigan credentials, and Ryan has fizzled out somewhat. The former, despite such a strong performance he will actually need a pretty massive swing to take all those three, and I dont think he can get it. Colorado is on the cards, but Ohio I think will go blue.

It's going to be an entertaining night, anyway.
 
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Sir Calumn

Guest
Oh **** I just realized my post is over three paragraphs long that means Shifty's not going to read it.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
4ndr3i;3334941 said:
I'm thinking of putting 10€ euros on Romney on 4 to 1 odds.

That's a sucker bet! If you want to put something on Romney, put it on him to win Florida.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Arnau;3334945 said:
Can anyone explain me whats the difference between both besides one is black?

Very very little. For anyone outside the USA, probably nothing except Romney is more likely to think the UN is for fags and start a war over Iran.
 
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Sir Calumn

Guest
Arnau;3334945 said:
Can anyone explain me whats the difference between both besides one is black?

These are the key ones which could make a difference to the next four years:

- Romney wants to repeal Obamacare, Obama doesnt.
- Romney refuses to reduce the defense budget, Obama doesnt.
- Romney does not want to commit to Afghanistan withdrawal in 2014
- Romney wishes to take a much harder stance on China (IMO his most worrying policy, you dont declare a trade war on one of your most powerful fellow nations in your first week in office)
- Romney, whilst not a real austerity candidate, will shepherd through more spending cuts and will attempt to raise money this way rather than tax rises.
 
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Sir Calumn

Guest
Ha you linking me to an NY Times article is the same as me citing all my sources from Fox news.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
No, Nate Silver is a statistician who nailed the 2008 election, all the primaries, the 2010 Republican sweep, and yada yada yada. He is entirely objective and scientific; the only reason he is affiliated with the NYT is because he wanted to get paid. In 2008 he ran his own blog. If you want to look at state-by-state polling you will likely come to the same conclusion: that the polls are either ALL biased against Romney, or he's going to get ****housed tonight. The national polls could be closer, Silver says about 2.5 points in Obama's favor, giving R-Money a 12% chance at the popular vote.

E: Don't read the articles, read all the numbers down the side.
 
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Sir Calumn

Guest
So talk me through the key states and who is going to win them. I see Florida and Colorado as potential republican wins, indeed Florida as likely, and Arizona and NC as Republican holds. This immediately puts the election a lot closer than 2008. I see Michigan, Wisconsin and New Hampshire as probably democrat holds, and New Mexico as possible democrat hold. That leaves battlegrounds Iowa and Ohio - as I said, I dont think Romney has done enough to win them, but I still think coming down to two states counts as close.
 

Filipower

Bunburyist
Isn't it enough for Obama to win Ohio? You should hold the election just there, while the rest of the country actually did something.
 


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