AC Milan Thread [2008/09]

Bummy_JaB

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Arnau;2567305 said:
wtf i've seen the match now, and dinho didnt do anything spetial :puke: keep in the same line than last season.

Thats why most sports news say he was good??? He gave Inzaghi and sheva some good service, they were just damn awful trying to score. I cant believe Sheva missed that sitter man. He really is horrible now.
 

Deni_Rossonero

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Arnau;2567305 said:
wtf i've seen the match now, and dinho didnt do anything spetial :puke: keep in the same line than last season.

Here are the highlights : Download. These are the more comprehensive highlights. Arnau man if this isn't enough for you, then you expect too much from Ronaldinho and because of that you cannot enjoy his football.
 

Arnau

NGR LVR
i've seen the whole match :S why i need the highlights, that ronaldinho its absolutley the same than last season (but better than pekin one)
 

vitu

Senior Squad
Too many old farts in your team. They are becoming really slow. Maldini should retire he is slow.
 

Vedran-10

Starting XI
From what I saw in the highlights, Ronaldinho is back. I was impressed with his showing. He is motivated again. He actually wants to play!

And thank God for that. Go Milan and go Ronaldinho. Despite everything that has happened, when it comes to Ronaldinho I'm a fanboy who will always stay on his bandwagon, no matter how much I resent him. If this game wasn't a freak occurance and he actually continues playing like this, I believe you can take the UEFA cup. The league probably not as I think your team needs an injection of youth to compete over 38 games, but I sincerely hope you finish very high. Best of luck this season, I'll be keeping an eye on Serie A and lets hope Ronaldinho takes it by storm.
 

Deni_Rossonero

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Vedran-10;2567358 said:
From what I saw in the highlights, Ronaldinho is back. I was impressed with his showing. He is motivated again. He actually wants to play!

And thank God for that. Go Milan and go Ronaldinho. Despite everything that has happened, when it comes to Ronaldinho I'm a fanboy who will always stay on his bandwagon, no matter how much I resent him. If this game wasn't a freak occurance and he actually continues playing like this, I believe you can take the UEFA cup. The league probably not as I think your team needs an injection of youth to compete over 38 games, but I sincerely hope you finish very high. Best of luck this season, I'll be keeping an eye on Serie A and lets hope Ronaldinho takes it by storm.

Glad to see a Barca fan being honest about Dinho, IMO he's one of the best ever (Pele, Maradona, Zizou and Dinho for me), and he'll always be a great player.

As for the age thing you and Vitu can't really be serious? You cannot look at the teams age you look at the players, Zidane was great at 34-35 (he was great till the last minute of his career (especially for hitting Materazzi), and still is), Larsson too, and by the way i don't think we have an old team.
Abbiati 31 (Dida 34, Kalac 35)
Zambrotta 31(Bonera 27) Kaladze 30 (Senderos 23) Nesta 32(Maldini 40, Darmian 18) Jankulovski 31 (Antonini 26, Favalli 36)

Flamini 24 (Ambrosini 31) Pirlo 29 (Cardacio 20) Gattuso 30 (Emerson 32)

Kaka' 26 (Viudez 18) Ronaldinho 28 (Seedorf 32)
Pato 18 (Borriello 26, Sheva 31, Inzaghi 35)

Compare that to any team in the world except Arsenal's and you'll see we're not that old. Also now look at all the players individually, i'd rather have per say Zambrotta for three years at right back than some Zaccardo for 10, and Milan has enough money to just go and buy a new full back when Zambro can't do it no more, so what does age has to do with anything? It's about the player not the age.
 

Vedran-10

Starting XI
Deni_Rossonero;2567434 said:
Glad to see a Barca fan being honest about Dinho, IMO he's one of the best ever (Pele, Maradona, Zizou and Dinho for me), and he'll always be a great player.

As for the age thing you and Vitu can't really be serious? You cannot look at the teams age you look at the players, Zidane was great at 34-35 (he was great till the last minute of his career (especially for hitting Materazzi), and still is), Larsson too, and by the way i don't think we have an old team.
Abbiati 31 (Dida 34, Kalac 35)
Zambrotta 31(Bonera 27) Kaladze 30 (Senderos 23) Nesta 32(Maldini 40, Darmian 18) Jankulovski 31 (Antonini 26, Favalli 36)

Flamini 24 (Ambrosini 31) Pirlo 29 (Cardacio 20) Gattuso 30 (Emerson 32)

Kaka' 26 (Viudez 18) Ronaldinho 28 (Seedorf 32)
Pato 18 (Borriello 26, Sheva 31, Inzaghi 35)

Compare that to any team in the world except Arsenal's and you'll see we're not that old. Also now look at all the players individually, i'd rather have per say Zambrotta for three years at right back than some Zaccardo for 10, and Milan has enough money to just go and buy a new full back when Zambro can't do it no more, so what does age has to do with anything? It's about the player not the age.

If Ronaldinho really makes an effort, he'll join the trio you mentioned. For me, he's the best player I've ever seen, but he needs to do a lot more to be considered an all-time great. With Milan, he has a chance.

As for your team, sorry, but that is old. Your biggest problem is the defense. It's nothing new that your team needs to be rejuvenated, and I can't see how you can dispute that.

I'll take the bait and share a few thoughts here.
For starters, the GK position. Age doesn't really matter here because goalies are at their peak in their early thirties. But I think you need more quality there. A great young goalkeeping lion is necessary. For me, Kalac is a joke, Dida isn't what he used to be and Abbiati is an Atleti reject, which says a lot.
You starting defense doesn't have anyone older than 30, and that's a problem. I don't know what Zambrotta will do, but I fear that two bad seasons may have done big damage to his game. Maybe I'm being harsh, but I think Milan should have much better players than Kakha and Marek in defense, especially since you play in a league that favours defense. As for the subs, it's even worse. Favalli and Maldini are too old, Darmian I don't know, and the only plausible backup for me is Bonera, and even he isn't very encouraging. Senderos is another reject, so I wouldn't jump around all happy if he joined my team. When Wenger lets a youngster go, it means something's wrong there. I should know, because we have their best player. Very soon, we could all see why AW didn't keep him.
Your midfield is a problem as well. Ambro and Pirlo stand out as quality options, but the rest? I'm still unsure about Flamini (another guy AW didn't try to keep), and Emerson just doesn't cut it anymore. Gattuso hasn't been looking like his old self, and he was your biggest strength in the CL winning season.
Your front line looks very good, Kaka and Ronaldinho providing service for Pato and Sheva is mouth-watering, with the vulture Pippo ocassionally doing a tap in. Seedorf is always Seedorf and Borriello looks quality as well.

But that's just one third of the pitch. Like I said, your defense is a big problem and it doesn't look too good. The midfield as well. Basically, you depend on how well Flamini turns out. I'm really not convinced with your team, with the exception of the attack force.

That was my view on your team player-by-player without focusing on age, but you cannot deny it's an important factor. Why do you think you were so poor last season? You have a specific midfield where bulldogs play in front of the creator, being his shield. That doesn't seem to be working anymore. It's the same type of midfield Donadoni tried in the Euros, and look how great that turned out. I don't know if it's the age problem where your players just don't have enough agility anymore, or maybe you've become a read book (like Juve in Lippi's last season or Barcelona in the past two seasons), or both, but it's clear you have problems and you need to sign players. Maybe Berlusconi was too cheap this summer and he could have signed more people, even though I think you're taking it slow, building a formidable team summer by summer that is supposed to challenge Inter and Juventus in a couple of seasons. But right now, I don't see it happening. You simply need younger players (and I'm not talking about the ones you listed, the anonymous guys under 20, because they are quite irrelevant in a gigant club like Milan on their hunt for a scudetto). You need players in their prime (27-30), not a combination of very young ones (<20) and very old ones (>30). You have a gap in between and you need to have Silvio dig deeper inside his pockets.

Like I said, the UEFA Cup could be on the agenda, with your team achieving something similar to the CL triumph, taking it easier in Serie A while focusing on euro glory. You could do it with Ronnie.
But in the league, I see the trio of Inter, Roma and Juve to be stronger simply because they seem to have more balanced teams with better combinations of youth and experience. Nevermind some of their injury problems,their players will return and you'll see a three horse race IMO.

And finally I have to say this - Zidane and King Henke? Think again, mate. Zizou was quite average by his standards in his last two seasons in Madrid. You could see he can't carry the team anymore, and he even spent quite some time on the bench in his final season. Zidane is an all-time great, but his last club seasons were poor, IMO.
Larsson was brought as an experienced backup, he rarely started. He was our joker from the bench, not a real option to bench Eto'o.

But, in any case, best of luck in your season. Hopefully you can beat the Translator from the other club in Milano.
 

Deni_Rossonero

Senior Squad
First of all, Abbiati isn't an Atletico reject, nor are Flamini and Senderos for that matter, if you have watched our preseason, you would have seen that Abbiati has been brilliant, i don't need to say more, but you will see over the course of this season how he will do, and i'm sure he'll do great, and he wasn't rejected by Atletico cause he was never offered to Atletico for a permanent move, he was simply a too good keeper to sit on Milan's bench, and now he's matured even more, and has hit his best years in football, IMO he'll be our number one for the next 4 years at least, and i hope he will be from what i've always seen from him. Dida is a keeper that without a doubt has quality but playing for two seasons with an injured shoulder and back didn't do him no good, but still i'm sure he can come back to being at least 80% of his old self, which is enough for a sub.

As for Flamini, he isn't called one of the best midfielders in Europe by press and a lot of trainers for no reason, and you should be able to see quality in a player before he's well acknowledged from every one. And Wenger didn't let him go easily, he ****ed it up with him long before, he was doing everything to keep him. Also in the poll done with Arsenal fans Flamini was the second or third best player of the season, after Adebayor and Fabregas (maybe) so that says a lot. Also yesterday's game says a lot, as he was what Gattuso once was, and in fact IMO even better as he's a lot more skilled than Gattuso in coming forward.
Senderos? Wenger said he still wants to keep him (But he wont, as Senderos said he wants to stay here for a long time). The other thing is that defenders start to play as Wenger said at 23, and Senderos has a lot of expirience, IMO he'll try hard to succeed, and he'll be a hit here.
On Kaladze i agree, but for Jankulovski you can't be serious man?!?!?! :eek: :eek: I'm not even gonna comment! There are very very few left backs i'd take instead of him!
Maldini too old?!?!??!! WTF?!?!?! HE IS MILAN!! You can't look at him in the same way as you do with Favalli, he will play around 10 games and he's experienced enough to do a better job than Kaladze, And you forgot one of the best defenders of all time, NESTA, with him everyone will do good, and he can go on for at least 3 years at top level. Favalli is a third choice left back after Jank, and Antonini so what does it even matter how old is he, he's a ''just in case'' and both him and Il Capitano are retiring at the end of this season. Bonera can play as a right back and a center back, Antonini as a left or right back and we have Senderos(although i hope to see him doing great in the first 11 if not maybe even Bonera will play in the first 11 instead of Kaladze) as a sub for the other CB spot, so we're more than ok with subs, having Maldini and Favalli there too. We can rotate, and have many options.

As for the midfield we didn't become predictable, be have become tired last season, and those same tired players have played at Euros, so that's where the spark has gone, now we can rotate the midfield playing our usual 4-3-2-1 or even 4-2-3-1 as we did yesterday and Seedorf will surely play a lot more games in midfield this season, on other hand Cardacio is a player that should be counted in as he is 21 (or will be in a month or so) and he's finally a player that can replace Pirlo, Abrosini, Gattuso, and Flamini can be rotated along with Seedorf sometimes, while Emerson is a reserve. And that rotation will bring back the old Gattuso.

If you're talking about players in their prime, from our first 11 only Gattuso is past his prime.

Zizou might have been average by his standards in his last seasons at real bit his average is someone else's unattainable!

But to say that Juve or Roma have better teams than us is ******* hilarious, i'm sure that even a Juve fan or a Roma fan would say that that is over the top. In fact i don't think that even Inter can match our roster, they might have the drive and power, but not the flair and creativity that we have. They can grind out a result, but not win with quality, our problem is motivation while theirs is quality, that's why they have never done anything against the best clubs in Europe. But this year we have great hunger in our squad, we are not lacking the motivation, nor squad depth, so no tired players, and a lot of quality added put us in a great position for the Scudetto! FORZA MILAN
 

Deni_Rossonero

Senior Squad
Kaka':

&#8220;First it was Real Madrid and now it is fashionable to talk about England,&#8221; the ex-Sao Paolo man told the Gazzetta dello Sport.

&#8220;The market goes like that. Milan make offers to other clubs and they make offers to Milan. But I would never ask to leave. I have always been treated well and the relationship is excellent.

&#8220;One day people may have a different attitude towards me, but that doesn't seem possible to me. I would only leave if the Rossoneri decided to sell me, or the day that we don't have the same objectives and I don't see that happening."



Going to City? I don't think so Rony :willis: :D
 

Deni_Rossonero

Senior Squad
I've seen the most ridiculous report ever now from tabloids, Wenger to Milan next season, hahahahahahaha i think that there's bigger chance of George Bush Coaching Milan than Wenger, and in any case i'm extremely against it!! Other Two names are Van Basten and Rijkaard. Rijkaard?!?!?!? I thought he'd be coaching a club like Fiorentina after those last two seasons at Camp Nou, that man has no depth, i'd rate someone like Spalletti or Juande Ramos severely higher than him, but Van Basten? I'd take him in a blink of an eye! I mean the way and the fluidity, but also the effectiveness we saw from the dutch on Euro was brutal!! For me that is the most beautiful brand of football on earth, and that's what would suit Milan. Also he's a Legend at the club so it would be a match made in heaven, although i am more than content with Ancelotti, he has just what Milan needs. My preference would be:
Ancelotti to stay 10/10
Van Basten to take over 9/10
Rijkaard to take over 3-4/10
Wenger to take over 1/10 (Beautiful football, but too one-sided on players, IMO for all the beautiful talent's he brought to Arsenal he still isn't doing them no good. Ok, base your team on building talents, but to refuse to go for a proven inform star is idiotic, Arsenal will loose their ''top four'' place if they continue like this in the next 3-4 years. I don't want that at Milan, ok in Italy it's not the manager that's buying players so he couldn't do that much damage. But he is identified with Arsenal by every football fan in the world. Milan is a first love club! Not second wife material. As is no top club in the world.)
 

Zakov

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Just watched the highlights u posted in yer previous post, Deni, cheers.

Milan created loads of chances but everything went straight to the keeper, Dinho was at the heart of everything, imagine what its going to be like once Kaka is back. But the only thing u should be concerned with is yer back 4, Di Vaio's goal and Valiani's were all down to the fact that they weren't closed down quickly enough.(even if the their 2nd goal was a scorcher)

But it looks good, even if u guys lost, the team showed a lot of promise in that game, it looks like Dinho won't have any problems adapting at Italy.

cheers
 

Deni_Rossonero

Senior Squad
Goddamit Gourcuff was ******* brilliant for France! Next year Seedorf out, Gourcuff In!!!! WE SIMPLY CANNOT LOOSE THIS BOY!!! I'm really glad for him!
 

Deni_Rossonero

Senior Squad
Something has to change, and unfortunately now i also think that Ancelotti is the problem, i'm sad cause i've really always liked the guy but now some things that i woudn't admit to myself seem more evident, just like Wenger is pushing his ego-trip with the young players, i think Ancelotti is blindly believing senior players, Imo last year when we lacked attackers and depth Gourcuff was sitting on the bench the whole year, and now Gourcuff is shining, Borriello was never trusted and again today he has shown that he's a brilliant striker. Bonera was always a reliable defender and today only he and Zambrotta really defended. Ancelotti seems to make all the wrong choices.

He would usually play Nesta and Kaladze, and when Kaladze doesn't play it would be Maldini, who shouldn't play a whole game, as we always have ahole in the defence thanks to his pace, Kaladze on the other hand is a hole, while Bonera and especially right now is more than good, he should be our Vidic, and he shows again and again that he has the quality to do so, he should have been our first choice defender next to Nesta.
And today instead of playing Senderos, Ancelotti went for Maldini who is responsible for the first goal. Instead of playing Antonini at left back (while Jankulovski is unavailable) he played Favalli who has considerably lessdrive to proove himself than IMO equally or even more skilled Antonini.
On midfield i agree with him, but when Gattuso gets back he'll put him above Ambro and IMO right now Ambro is doing a better job as a DM and their attacking abilities are non-comparable.
He started the game with Sheva, while he had two more mobile and inform strikers in Pato and Borriello and the second Borriello came in it was obvious he should have played from the start, Sheva is a legend but you cannot ignore a player that can give you more, IMO Dinho, Pato and Borriello should have started and Kaka' should have came in for Borriello in the second half. These are the four players Milan's attack should base on, they are the present, Sheva and Inzaghi should be utilized in a intelligent way.
But Ancelotti has some problems with favourising players, which isn't healthy, it was ok when we had a smaller squad but now it will make problems.

I'm Kinda changing my preference:
Ancelotti to stay 7/10 (If he manages to change a few things in his way, and if he manages to get some fire back into the team i'd be glad to see him stay)
Van Basten to take over 10/10 (An absolute dream to me(sorry Ajax fans i'd really like to have him at Milan), IMO just what Milan would need)
Rijkaard to take over 3-4/10
Wenger to take over 1/10



Buti: Kaka' is the least to blame, this is his first game after his injury, he played one half in a friendly this week. And i'm glad Ancelotti put him in he needs to get some playing time to get into his routine, and the sooner he gets back the better for Milan.
 

Vedran-10

Starting XI
Too many old players.

And Deni, I wanted to say something about the coaching position. Personally, I think you'd be better off with Wenger than you would be with van Basten. I don't think you're giving AW enough credit. I don't like the fact Arsenal seem to lack ambition (not buying a proven player), but maybe that's not entirely down to Wenger. Arsenal are unique in the sense that their management seems to be fully satisfied with recent results (read: lack of trophies). It's like, as long as they buy cheap, sell high, and participate in the CL every season, it's all good. That club just reeks of lack of ambition to me. Wenger refused to spend &#8364;30m, and I think it's because he wanted to focus on these youngsters he has there. I'm sure if he came to Milan and the bosses told him to win, he'd spend a small fortune to reinforce, draw the best out of your youth ranks and we'd have a fresh Milan side. Wenger at 1/10 is just not right, IMO.

Van Basten did well with Holland, but didn't do anything special that would even suggests he was better than Arsene. The results Wenger is getting with the kindergarden team are great. There's no reason he wouldn't be able to win titles with your club.

As for Rijkaard, he isn't the worst coach in the world, but he is not what you need. He's one that favours self-management, and for him to excel you have to have a squad full of talent eager to prove itself.
 

Deni_Rossonero

Senior Squad
Vedran: I said who i PREFER at Milan more.
I rate Wenger at 8 or 9 out of 10 as a coach, but to have him at Milan would be the same as if i said that i want Gerrard or Totti in Milan, WTF, he's Arsenal, why the **** would i want him here, Basten may be not a fully proven coach, but he's a Milan great and just like Guardiola it has more Charm than saying you'd like Ferguson to coach Barca, Van Basten reeks of red and black and he's a virgin in terms of having coached a top club, and has brilliant potential so yes i prefer him at Milan a hundred times more than Wenger.

Now on Wenger, he's undoubtedly one of the best managers in the world, but he is also stubborn, i mean he had Gilberto, Flamini, Diarra, Diaby and Denilson who could play along with Fabregas. Flamini, Diarra and Gilberto where all ahead of Denilson and Diaby. And now that he's lost the first three choices, practically his reserves are playing + a 17 year old kid and he has no problem with it.
Most of his talents are scouted in France, is France really that rich with football talent, or he doesn't want to learn English. He should have coached Lyon or something cause this really looks stupid. I don't want that at Milan.

As for Rijkaard, he's a great guy, but noooooo thanks.


Anyway Ancelotti is staying so this whole talk is unnecessary, i really have nothing against Ancelotti except a few of his choices, i hope he'll be playing Pato and Borriello ahead of Sheva in future but TBH, he didn't have the chance to try Sheva out it's just the beginning of the season, also Borriello was coming back from an injury so he couldn't have played a full game.
Maldini is also done, il capitano should have retired last year, unfortunately today he was guilty for both goals. Nesta, Bonera and Senderos ahead of Maldini and Kaladze.
 

Deni_Rossonero

Senior Squad
****, Pirlo got injured!!! We don't have luck with injuries this year, Kaka', Borriello, Nesta, Gattuso, Inzaghi and now Pirlo? Thank God Kaka' and Borriello are back!
 


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