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Can Someone Tell Me Why Modding Has Died With FIFA 17?

Discussion in 'FIFA 17 Forum' started by sphanlon, Mar 14, 2017.

  1. HoMi

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    Like you said, in Sims there is a Modfolder, but there are no official brands, licenses or what ever. In Fifa you have sportbrands, teamlogos and other licenses. Therefore EA prohibits modding Fifa. It's not about how lazy the programmers or developers are, it's about the money in the background and about personal rights of companys.

    And it's simply logic when a treat, which exists since several years has more treats and posts than on that exists since some months. It's for people like you, always complaining how shit EA is. I bet you never have writte an sourcecode your own. EA is doing a grat job, it's less than they would be capable, but no one can creat a new, revolutionary game in just one year.

    Stop complaining, start decoding Fifa making it moddable. Just raising issues like a little fool will not change anything.

    Sorry for my english, but i hate reading about how shot Fifa is because there is no modding at this time.
     
  2. regularcat

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    EA allows for a mod folder in The Sims then they clearly aren't anti modding.

    The last few years the engine FIFA ran on was easily modified over time because we
    had many members working to make it possible.

    EA's choice to go with Frostbite was a good choice because of what they can do with it, the issue is it is a complex engine and I'm sure if we were capable of cracking it EA would have no issue with it.

    The problem is this community over the years has gone from a ratio of 60%-40% modders to downloaders to 10% modders and 90% downloaders and I have been saying this for years.

    Legends like Rinaldo and MonkeyDragon get older and have lives, careers and children and can no longer dedicate the time they once have, it is time
    for a new group to take over and nobody is stepping up other than shawminator, Arianos and Ariel and they aren't able to do it by themselves.

    Don't blame EA, blame yourself and the rest of the members who never bothered to spend the time or effort to attempt to create anything or do any research into how.

    Had more members done so we would have that much more knowledge and ability to crack this engine open.

    As much as I don't like to stand behind EA due to lust for money and not providing it's consumers with functioning and debugged modes within the game other than FUT, us not being capable of modding the game isn't their fault, it is ours.
     
  3. Sami 1999

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    Well, the game is on Par with Consoles. That's why I keep buying it now.


    I'm glad that I avoided FiFA 07, 08, 14. All those were garbage.
     
  4. ModdingWayAriel

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    Well I guess is just a matter of evolution of games engines not that modders are less ( which is real but it´s not the main problem ) Engines evolved to complex ones. Even if we were here all those that started to mod the game it would be impossible. The engine is too complex. I mean, files as we know have dissappeared. I guess shawminator has done a terrific job decoding something that I´m not sure many will be able to do. As I´ve said, Frostbite ended with Battlefield community that it was by far bigger than FIFA one. Once Frostbite came to Battlefield producers said that they stop to support mods because of the engine. They said it would be really complex for modders to understand it.

    I do not blame EA. Probably we have to blame evolution. Engines became too complex for what a modder is able to do at home without official tools. We moved from ordinary files to strange formats. Even when mods are still possible for NBA 2K since they move to a new engine modding possibilities are not too many.

    As I´ve said it´s a matter of evolution. The modding era for PC is coming to an end.
     
  5. Sami 1999

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    Yes. Modding is dead now, that's the sad truth.

    Now EA should atleast give us the option to edit the Database, add new players and faces, new teams and kits from Ingame edit menu. And the game should have seperate database for Online mode so that editing wont hamper online mode. And they should add max LoD in graphics settings.

    That can be a good start.
     
  6. ModdingWayAriel

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    Like PES in consoles. PES allows to import kits, change the database, add teams logos, etc. With that you can encourage again modders to contribute to the game and help to fill the gaps missing because of the lack of licenses.

    And I guess we don´t need more than that. Of course we will miss other stuff, add new tournamets, etc. Anyway I think EA is so focused on FUT that nothing else matters. FIFA was a game that we loved to mod because of career mode that years ago was by far the most important one of the game. Now FUT is the king and career remains without changes. With time I guess it will be FUT 2021 instead of FIFA 2021.
     
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    Can you explain how to edit squads file properly? Thank you
     
  8. ModdingWayAriel

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    It works with anyone but you have to clean the squad files from EA. I mean certain database need to delete some garbage lines at the end of most tables like players, loans, etc.
     
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    When I try to edit my own squads file (not the moddingway ones), I have a problem when the converter tool try to convert the edited extracted DB to squads file; it says: "No database to convert".

    I think it could be related with those "garbage" lines at the end of the tables (those lines with 0 and 1 or strange characters). Can you explain how to edit the squads file in order to make readable by the game?
     
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    Ignorant me, I thought a game engine only affected graphical presentation. I didn't understand why you couldn't add competitions and leagues and stuff. But I guess database work is also affected by the transition to frostbite?
     
  13. Sami 1999

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    I guess you were wrong lol.

    Not the one I hoped for. No more Ronaldo in Brazil...
     
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    I am currently knowledgeable in web development languages such as HTML and CSS. I also know Javascript and currently learning Python. When I get a chance I'll delve into C++ and C# to help out into finding a way into frostbite. Regularcats is completely right. This thread has become a forum filled with consumers and little to no modders. If we want to keep this awesome FIFA modding community alive and not become console slaves and sheep we need to get of our asses and do some work. If we have enough time to sit down and whine about the lack of mods and or time to play fifa I am pretty sure we have time to do the research learn to code and rise from the ashes. Lets go people, what are you still doing reading this comment??? Get off your lazy butts and get to work! :alex:
     
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    you make great work ..for myself i have no Idea with Programming .. if i Had know programming i would help ... but i Can´t
     
  16. Fredhoer

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    They did it before Ignite. You remember the Fifa Creation Center? It was possible to create teams and entire leagues on a flash page on internet and import the data in the game, it was a fantastic tool by EA. Not sure why they stopped it , because of the new engine complexity or of copyrights issue?

    It was also possible to add fan chants to the game back there.
     
  17. NaFeR

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    This is the best commentary ever about this thread. We have to work together for the whole community benefit, not only for personal benefit. I've always thought that patches like ModdingWay Mod ruined the FIFA modding community.
    Many years ago, you had to know how to modify the game if you want to add content like kits, faces, graphics or new leagues in cmp patches. Now, the new generation of players just download the "big" patch and nothing more. They don't care about modding or modders. Big part of the new generation of players are "leechers".
    But the people involved in those big patches they don't want to stop that because they earn a lot of money just for collecting and putting in one file all the things that modders make and share freely in forums. So, we ended here, sadly.
     
  18. Sami 1999

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    Are there really a lot of people downloading patches?

    Personally I don't, because it changes the roster and kits and whatnot.


    I prefer to just add kits while keeping the original kits intact [I add the new kits as third, fourth kits]. And faces if required.


    Man, I added Ronaldo [of Brazil] and 2002 Brazil kit to very game I had lol. Now I can't have him on FiFA 17.
     
  19. SlimOntario2033

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    Since FIFA 13 I release every year some big patches in the german community "fifaplanet". Since 2013 I often write with players of this patch....here my results:

    Nope. The reason is simple. The most people are playing on PS4/XBOX One now... I got so many requests like "hey slim, I played your patch in 2013 or 2014 and switched to console... is there a patch for my console?" -> "no" -> "oh, ok.." -> one more mod-user/member of community gone -> less posts/threads about mods.
    Same to much kitmakers/facemakers. I read sooo often "I went to console" from modders in the last years... same with some of my teammembers for my own patch... and this is demotivating the remaining modders cause they don't get much help and need to wait longer for kits and these stuff!
    Another reason is the same old shit- career mode / and the hyped FUT Mode! I often hear something like "offline playing is shit... gameplay is shit...caree mode is shit... I play FUT" so FUT is one oft the other reason why.

    fully agree

    He said that after his db-decrypt in FIFA 16 he had personal problems and "left fifa-community for a while"/wasn't online till his comeback...I'm really sure its now the same.

    Thats a interesting and right point. I fully respect the work of moddingway!! They are really organized and have a much quality. But yeah your point is right I think. I do the same like Moddingway -> big patches with a installer tool, db selector and all these things... the result are just players who know how to install but nothing more. They never see the filestructure of fifa, if they don't want. They only put some files from a archive to a directory and press some buttons...If they have a bug...they don't research by themself...they ask in a forum and get often a fix or something. The interest of how all these things work going down and thats why we get more players but less modders.
     
  20. ModdingWayAriel

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    The problem is not less modders guys. It´s technology.

    Let me put this way. Do you think that in 1998 we were too many when first mods for FIFA appeared ? Or we were too many playing PES 3 ? So how on earth it took only me to discover how to edit PES 3d files for the first time ? Because it was easy. Because it was possible. One guy, with small program, finding something was able to break the games files. Now this is not possible. Technology of Frostbite is so complex that even the most experienced are not able to break it.

    Do you think Battlefield community was full of idiots that were not able to break Frostbite ? By far Battlefield community was bigger than FIFA and more complex too. No, they just faced the same engine that we face now and they were not able to mod the game anymore.

    This is evolution guys. It will come a time that games will be so complex that unless we have the tools creators use to build their game we won´t be able to mod them. For FIFA that time has come. It will come for PES, NBA etc.

    Why do you find less threads related to games ? Easy. Consoles. Most of the modders here are "old". Most of the modders here think that the fun of the game is career mode. Well most of the young players believe that the fun of the game is FUT. So end of the game for us. Things have changed. Now FUT is the most important mode, not the career mode as it used to be. If you play FUT you better keep your game without changes. So why mods will be important for young guys ?

    Blaming big mods is wrong. I´m here since 1999 so I have experience. I´ve seen how everything begun and now I´m sadly facing how´s everything comes to an end. We made big mods during golden era of PES (4,5,6, 2007) at Gamingaccess and probably there were twice of modders that there were in the best FIFA era.

    So do not blame the community. It´s just evolution.
     
      

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