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Can Someone Tell Me Why Modding Has Died With FIFA 17?

Discussion in 'FIFA 17 Forum' started by sphanlon, Mar 14, 2017.

  1. Sami 1999

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    Only thing we can hope now is that EA adds Kit import option, face import and adding new created players in any team.
     
  2. NaFeR

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    I see your point, but I don't agree with you.

    I know that Frostbite is maybe one of the most complex engine used in videogames. But I don't think that FIFA (or Battlefield, or another Frostbite game) is "unmoddable". I mean, there are people out there who were able to crack anti-piracy systems that are by far more complex than Frostbite engine (just in case, I don't support piracy, it's just an example). But the people who knows how to do it are not interested in modify a videogame, because their objective is a higher one. And the modders of videogames we are capable to do a lot of things, but sadly, cracking Frostbite is beyond our possibilities.

    Also, there were console gamers during the golden era of FIFA modding, so I don't blame consoles. Maybe FUT, but there are a lot of people who wants better gameplay or plays with their favourite team instead to play FUT.
     
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    Those who crack more complex anti-piracy systems are getting paid, in fifa people only do it for fun and as a hobby. It's not comparable. It's so sad, I miss Revolution Mod.
     
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    I know, that's what I said. They do not care about modding because cracking anti-piracy systems is more "profitable" for those people. But I'm sure that they would be able to crack Frostbite and make modding tools if they want to, so the game is not "unmoddable".
     
  5. ModdingWayAriel

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    The problem is to mess development of cracks with making a game moddable. Cracks are just a way to bypass security measures, no more than that. That has nothing to do with the game engine. It´s just Denuvo. To add mods we need something even more complex that it´s to trick the game engine to read from folders. I don´t see how that could be possible due to the complex structure of Frostbite. I say this because even if we were able to do that Frostbite does not handle files like we use to know, in fact there aren´t rx3 files in folders, just textures gathered by chunks and headers from here and there. Since Frostbite won´t allow to read from folders you need to import files to cas files. Imagine we were able to do that, every time we import a texture we could probably have to wait several minutes until the cas files are rebuilt.

    When they develop the game they just put the stuff on folders and the version of the game they have read from there. The final release, to speed up loading times and avoid a big mess, gathers all files is cas files of 1GB each that, as I´ve said, probably takes several minutes to be build each one of those cas files. Then they add the version of the game that read from cas and ready.
     
  6. qasar80

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    That's encouraging Ariel. If that's the case, it means that for every new player, or team or stadium that we would like to add, the data should be spread in multiple chunks, meaning a very complex and unknown process in the first time to make this new kind of files, then inserting it into it's coresponding data pack with a totally unknown tool, and at the end regenerating with another unknown tool, process that would give you time to read a short book untill finished, and that's the process that should happen, not to mention the unknown parts of the ecuation, which for sure they exist.
    Well, you lightened up my evening with this very exciting news, but there is hope though....that starts when EA will move to the next engine, maybe 2022.
    On the other hand it could be easyer than predicted and could take just a spark of luck or inspiration for a decisive breakthrough, the fact is that we just do not know.
    And yes one is cracking the game and other is modding it, which is many times harder.
    I know some guys in my city that had some succes at decrypting files from the frostbyte engine and probably given some time could even create tools for modding, but that takes time and they have to make a living from what they do, so in a short talk to one of them, who is a friend of mine it made it very clear that it's not gonna happen soon.
     
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    I know that cracking anti-piracy systems is very different to making tools for videogames modding, it was just an example.

    It's not so easy to develop a functional crack for one videogame, it may take months of work and a whole team of crackers working on it. But anyway, even if anti-piracy systems has become more and more complex, it's not impossible to bypass them. So, it's the same with videogames. Even game engines become more complex, that doesn't mean that all the videogames will become impossible to mod.

    We know how Frostbite engine files works. I am sure that there are people who will be able to make modding tools, it will take time, but it's not impossible. Moaning and crying like "oh no, this is the end of FIFA modding" doesn't help.
     
  8. Sami 1999

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    I think the we won't be able to use external files anymore. Maybe we can only import files inside the main datapacks like we did back in FiFA 98-2010 days.
     
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    Well guys, we can talk and talk here all we like, we are just a drop in an ocean.
    This morning I was hearing some neighbour kids (17-18 years old) talkind among themselves about ultimate team for almost four hours, this not being the only time I hear this. I did not even once heard talks about career mode or how to mode the game, just how to swap cards (wtf?) and other shitty things like that related to fut only. And I realised that the producers are hearing this talks also, ofcourse through different channels, and they are the future, these kids, they make the demand, and EA listens to the most voices, which are of kids this age, requesting upgrades, updates and so on only for FUT.
    once I asked them if they even played career mode, and know the meaning of data base, rx3 and other usual folders ingame. Needless to say that they had a look like just I was talking in an alien language, and I'm talking about kids who are playing fifa for many years...and career mode..no, for them a pointless option in the game menu.
    So I realised, we are getting older, I mean those of us who grew with the series from the beginning, when career mode was the only real way to play, we were interested in the structure of the game, searched and found solutions, but time passes and the family took first plan and now we just have a sad community of wired to pc kids who are just takind what is served to them and spend day and night just... i do not know what words to express for what they are doing during endless FUT play. The future is bright!!!
     
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    Well, if they wish to play FUT, let them play. Who are we to whine? And why should we even whine if they enjoy FUT.

    I personally hate FUT because generic Kits and single team with random players, ah not my play style. I play Friendly Matches with different teams as I wish.



    On the bright side, it seems like PES 18 will finally get a next gen port on PC and it's still using the same Fox engine. There is still hope for modding that game.
     
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    I agree with you. That´s what I´ve said before. The new star of FIFA is FUT. FUT is the future of the game. That´s why EA don´t care about improving career. We can´t blame young players because they love FUT. It´s the fact that we can´t understand how do they like something were Messi or Cristiano can play for both teams :D
     
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    Yes. Looking forward to PES 2018. I remember when many of us switched from FIFA to PES when we found out how to edit 3D files. If PES 2018 is moddable probably there will be a new exodus of modders and pc players. :jap:
     
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    We are to blame because we still buy this game and make EA careless. If any user of offline mode stop purchasing this stock garbage EA will have to make a move, because there are tones of people playing JUST career. In my country are 3 sites-forums for FIFA modded content, all dead now, and i'm in a small country. There is nobody who wants to buy this game next year. For what? And the price? Ha! Our salary its 300 euro, 40 euro its very EXPENSIVE. I played 17 for two weeks and get bored and very dissapointed. Two weeks...40 euro? No friking way!
     
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    There is hope for nhl 19 for pc.
    But probably on frostbyte also.
     
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    Matters none, if it is released for PC and is a console equal I'll buy it immediately.
     
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    Yes, I would pay 100 euros in one second from now if nhl 19 will be on pc.
    Somehow, that game seems to be in less need for modding, more complete than fifa, so probably would sell very well on pc. (even if is not equal to console version)
     
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    Oh, ye of little faith.
     
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