Classic Patch post 10's Expansion - NT Addon beta released

Do you prefer a db version with more 1 year clubs teams or 5 years from all decades in one db


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valambrosio2

Reserves
No unfortunately not, my interest for old stuff drops off significantly before the year 2000 :)

I have edited/sourced old RPL kits for top teams, recreated some adboards, fonts, numbers and balls, so the graphics are majorly there.
I remember sending you RPL patches for different FIFA titles, did you manage to convert the DBs by any chance?
The players, stats and IDs might be a problem because EA got the RPL license very late, and the early-mid 2000s players will have to be reimagined.
that's great, RPL 2005-2010, 2010-15 and 2015-20 could be great additions.

the problem with that old database is that they require days and weeks of conversion for players table.

Before fifa 11, the game was old gen, meaning that all players models, head model, face textures etc and lot more must be converted one by one id seraching the fifa 11 and after era corresponding ids.

the players ids, names and attributes columns, age, position and weight are the only thing that can be pasted directly.

this is why fifa 07 db from Skoczek is a pearl since he made this work.

From fifa 11 db players, you can directly use the players from players table adding the missing new columns (which are details mostly set to 0 or 1) (only the traits columns must be set to 0 since the traits ids are not matching).

I think you can win more time if you create for example FK Saturn squad 2005-10 by importing players still presents in fifa 11, 12 etc db and create manually the missing ones, putting them values matching fifa 06 until 10 available on sites like futhead or sofifa. this way you only hae to create the missing players, selecting them right looking face and hairs, copying values and position from sofifa and it's done.
 

valambrosio2

Reserves
So guys, as posted on CP official thread, there's a new (small) unexpected thing: I think (almost sure now) that the language files db's have a limit (eng_us.be etc)
I still don't know if this limit concerns a size limitation of the db itself, or an amount of entries (lines) on it (since the amount of entry can not be counted on those db).

Whatever it is (or not) it does NOT make any great impact on this version, only that in the future and already since now, if it's the case, the languages files will need to be switched as well as it's done with the normal databases. So you should have "NTSdb" with "ENGNTSdb" or "ClubsDB" with "ENGClubsDB" to switch everytime.

I'm still doubting, but after latest additions and renaming, after the point of 3901kb, the language saves but can never be opened again (wrecked up).

Luckily, I have a save everytime of those files, dating from 11 January so it's ok.

For information, in those language files are stored the names of teams, leagues, competitions and cups, as well as stadium names only.
I think that if it's really a limit, @GIGGIRIVA will soon reach it too since the difference between his language db 3.0 and mine is not so different:

3.0 db from GIGGI has all his new pre 1930 teams names and a few new stadiums
my language db has not his new pre 1930 teams names but has all 2015-20 teams names, Copa America teams names and now my db has 317 stadiums (still almost 200 free that's nice). Then I'm a bit over than Giggi 3.0 language file.

The solution for this can be this too:

- Deleting ALL the original EA team names lines (Arsenal id 1, Chelsea id 5, etc) since all those original teams ids are never used in CP databases, they will make win a lot of space :)
- Deleting ALL the original EA competitions names (since those cups and leagues are never used too in CP databases).
That should make the point for a while. Then this "cleaned" language db (in my case) will remain the base of the future of the database, with a switcher between NT's Version (actual one) and Clubs Version (still not released).

I know can explain the planned proper databases planning:

- Nt's Version db will remain as it is for a while and should become:
NT Version DB full with clubs since 1960: all national teams kept, all 5 years clubs teams UEFA and South America (with new ones) ONLY since 1960. (the DB from this V1)

NT version DB reduced with clubs all decades: ONLY World Cup qualified teams, Euro Cups, Copa Americas but all 5 years clubs teams from 1900 and on.

- Clubs version: only 1 years clubs teams, seasons by season, no national teams.
 

valambrosio2

Reserves
Bear in mind that other databases limitation are still always to be taken into account here they are:

- Amount of teams: around 2500. I can not say the exact amount, and for my part, I can not say properly that is really a amount of teams affairs, but more probably a dabase size in KB. Why?
Last year I made some test while preparing this on base of CP 2.4 original classic version, I went until 2596 teams in it without any crash, adding all jbou NQ teams and 2010-15 and 2015-20 clubs on it without problems. BUT the size in kb was reduced since the classic db has LESS players in it than the CP clubs version (5 years clubs teams and 1 years clubs teams). Giggi encountered this limit on CP Clubs db old, with only 2490 teams (but the size in KB was higher since with all 1 years teams on it it has more players than Classic DB). So it's better to keep the 2480-2520 limit.

- Other limits:
Stadiums : 511 IDS.
Kits : 16383 different kits on same database (table kits). Old CP db's nt's for example had still all kit lines from clubs teams but unused, this must be adapted at a certains amount of team. NT's db can only contains needed kits and same for clubs dbs.
Kits: maximum 10 different kits for one team, home, away, gk, third, 4th and some alternates. 1 team with more than 10 kit lines will crash the game at kit selection menus (this is why the gk kits for alternates kit are only added as rx3 and activated via lua files classic files automation).
Balls: maximum 256 added with db lines and selectable on menus, a ball added with ID 482 for example will work only if the ball rx3 files 482 are added and the ball assigned only in the team table ball id. The ball 482 in this case will be played by the team but will never be viewable in balls menus or playable in other ways
 

valambrosio2

Reserves
First post updated with spoilers list of new teams and list of new stadiums

New Stadiums list is complete, all are written

New teams list will be completed in the days
 

V.K

Starting XI
that's great, RPL 2005-2010, 2010-15 and 2015-20 could be great additions.
Honestly I'm not too interested in 5-year teams, I always play with the 1-year ones.
Personally I believe including 3-5 top teams from each season starting with 2005 would be fantastic.
The most famous ones like CSKA 2005 or Zenit 2008 are already in CP14, Jbou just added a good amount of 2010-2020 RPL teams with Addon v2, and I believe some more are on the way.
That mostly means the needed ones are 2005, 2006, .. 2010 seasons with 3-5 teams per year.
The kits graphics are by the most part available. And the challenging part might be the players.
I am not too good or familiar with DB editing, but I can provide full support with info, graphics, formations, RPL patches from different Fifa titles.
 

ovide

Club Supporter
Honestly I'm not too interested in 5-year teams, I always play with the 1-year ones.
Personally I believe including 3-5 top teams from each season starting with 2005 would be fantastic.
The most famous ones like CSKA 2005 or Zenit 2008 are already in CP14, Jbou just added a good amount of 2010-2020 RPL teams with Addon v2, and I believe some more are on the way.
That mostly means the needed ones are 2005, 2006, .. 2010 seasons with 3-5 teams per year.
The kits graphics are by the most part available. And the challenging part might be the players.
I am not too good or familiar with DB editing, but I can provide full support with info, graphics, formations, RPL patches from different Fifa titles.
I agree with single teams not 5 year teams but that Is decisión of every modder
 

ovide

Club Supporter
So guys, as posted on CP official thread, there's a new (small) unexpected thing: I think (almost sure now) that the language files db's have a limit (eng_us.be etc)
I still don't know if this limit concerns a size limitation of the db itself, or an amount of entries (lines) on it (since the amount of entry can not be counted on those db).

Whatever it is (or not) it does NOT make any great impact on this version, only that in the future and already since now, if it's the case, the languages files will need to be switched as well as it's done with the normal databases. So you should have "NTSdb" with "ENGNTSdb" or "ClubsDB" with "ENGClubsDB" to switch everytime.

I'm still doubting, but after latest additions and renaming, after the point of 3901kb, the language saves but can never be opened again (wrecked up).

Luckily, I have a save everytime of those files, dating from 11 January so it's ok.

For information, in those language files are stored the names of teams, leagues, competitions and cups, as well as stadium names only.
I think that if it's really a limit, @GIGGIRIVA will soon reach it too since the difference between his language db 3.0 and mine is not so different:

3.0 db from GIGGI has all his new pre 1930 teams names and a few new stadiums
my language db has not his new pre 1930 teams names but has all 2015-20 teams names, Copa America teams names and now my db has 317 stadiums (still almost 200 free that's nice). Then I'm a bit over than Giggi 3.0 language file.

The solution for this can be this too:

- Deleting ALL the original EA team names lines (Arsenal id 1, Chelsea id 5, etc) since all those original teams ids are never used in CP databases, they will make win a lot of space :)
- Deleting ALL the original EA competitions names (since those cups and leagues are never used too in CP databases).
That should make the point for a while. Then this "cleaned" language db (in my case) will remain the base of the future of the database, with a switcher between NT's Version (actual one) and Clubs Version (still not released).

I know can explain the planned proper databases planning:

- Nt's Version db will remain as it is for a while and should become:
NT Version DB full with clubs since 1960: all national teams kept, all 5 years clubs teams UEFA and South America (with new ones) ONLY since 1960. (the DB from this V1)

NT version DB reduced with clubs all decades: ONLY World Cup qualified teams, Euro Cups, Copa Americas but all 5 years clubs teams from 1900 and on.

- Clubs version: only 1 years clubs teams, seasons by season, no national teams.
Erase the original clubs and competitions
 

valambrosio2

Reserves
I agree with single teams not 5 year teams but that Is decisión of every modder
there will be a 1 year edition but the problem with this is that you are limited to always the same teams.

Look, even as I did, with top 10 of seasons leagues, you get for 20 years, almost 20 times the 8 same teams each year.
That makes alerady around 70 teams per season (only top 10 of top 5 leagues more UCL teams). 70 x 40 season you are already over db limit and only get 40 teams of Liverpool, 40 teams of Real, etc... for almost 2400 of the teams.

For the same with 5 years, that allow you on THE same db:

Premier league 2015-20, 20 teams
Bundesliga 2015-20, 20 teams
La Liga 2015-20, 20 teams
Serie A 2015-20, 20 teams
Ligue 1 2015, 20 teams
UEFA Clubs, around still 40 teams
Amsud Clubs, around 40 teams
Total 180 teams

for 50 years, x10 = 1800 teams
For all history of football, you can get complete leagues for each top european league, each 5 years editions since 1960-65 until now in the same database, each teams with 10 alternate kits...more again 40-50 rest of europe clubs, all south american and all pre 1960 teams.

But I respect people, so there will be a 1 year version instead, sadly containing only 20 years per 20 years maximum :)
 

ovide

Club Supporter
there will be a 1 year edition but the problem with this is that you are limited to always the same teams.

Look, even as I did, with top 10 of seasons leagues, you get for 20 years, almost 20 times the 8 same teams each year.
That makes alerady around 70 teams per season (only top 10 of top 5 leagues more UCL teams). 70 x 40 season you are already over db limit and only get 40 teams of Liverpool, 40 teams of Real, etc... for almost 2400 of the teams.

For the same with 5 years, that allow you on THE same db:

Premier league 2015-20, 20 teams
Bundesliga 2015-20, 20 teams
La Liga 2015-20, 20 teams
Serie A 2015-20, 20 teams
Ligue 1 2015, 20 teams
UEFA Clubs, around still 40 teams
Amsud Clubs, around 40 teams
Total 180 teams

for 50 years, x10 = 1800 teams
For all history of football, you can get complete leagues for each top european league, each 5 years editions since 1960-65 until now in the same database, each teams with 10 alternate kits...more again 40-50 rest of europe clubs, all south american and all pre 1960 teams.

But I respect people, so there will be a 1 year version instead, sadly containing only 20 years per 20 years maximum :)
I was seeing the new list and ir Will only incluye nt le clubs too?
 

valambrosio2

Reserves
Does someone knows where it's possible to find those patch for the Greek League?

Greek super patch (GSP) fifa 12, fifa 13 and 14? maybe 15?

I think Greek league was in Fifa infinity patch 14 so GSP is not needed
 

valambrosio2

Reserves
Ok for the 1 year club version I'm thinking of finalizing it like this:

UCL 32 teams
EL top 16 missing clubs
Top 5 leagues: 8 clubs, so then not always top 8, but the missing in ranking to get 8 clubs, example in La Liga 2015-16, Valencia CF finished 11th but is included as UCL or EL teams, so it fills 1 spot and the 8th placed of La Liga 2015-16 is then not added.
Other: missing champions from Belgium, Portugal, Netherlands, Russia in case of not in UCL or EL tops.
Belgian League top 6 because I'm from Belgium

This is for idea in this case the 1 year 2015-2016 clubs added more than jbou ones:

Tottenham Hotspur 15-16
Southampton FC 15-16
Villareal CF 15-16
Valencia CF 15-16
RC Celta Vigo 15-16
Athletic Bilbao 15-16
Bayer Leverkusen 15-16
Borussia M'Gladbach 15-16
FC Schalke 04 15-16
1 FSV Mainz 05 15-16
Hertha Berlin SC 15-16
SC Napoli 15-16
Inter Milan 15-16
ACF Fiorentina 15-16
Lazio Roma 15-16
US Sassuolo 15-16
AC Milan 15-16
AS Monaco 15-16
OGC Nice 15-16
AS St Etienne 15-16
SM Caen 15-16
Stade Rennais 15-16
Club Brugge KV 15-16
RSC Anderlecht 15-16
KRC Genk 15-16
KV Oostende 15-16
SV Zulte Waregem 15-16
Malmo FF 15-16
Galatasaray SK 15-16
FC Astana 15-16
FC BATE Borisov 15-16
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 15-16
Dinamo Zagreb 15-16
SC Braga 15-16
AC Sparta Praha 15-16
FC Basel 15-16
Fenerbahce SK 15-16
 

ovide

Club Supporter
I think I can help with 2007 copa america. The problem is which ids I should use.
I have to merge the classic patch, the add on and your expansion.
I have kits ready for :
argentina, same than 2006wc
brazil,same than 2006wc
bolivia not made yet
colombia not made yet
chile not made yet
ecuador same than 2006
mexico done by tonykroos by my request
paraguay done by my request
peru not done yet
uruguay same than 200g, made by jbou if I remeber
united states, home kit same than 2006, away made by tonykroos by my request
venezuela made by tonykroos by my request
 

valambrosio2

Reserves
I think I can help with 2007 copa america. The problem is which ids I should use.
I have to merge the classic patch, the add on and your expansion.
I have kits ready for :
argentina, same than 2006wc
brazil,same than 2006wc
bolivia not made yet
colombia not made yet
chile not made yet
ecuador same than 2006
mexico done by tonykroos by my request
paraguay done by my request
peru not done yet
uruguay same than 200g, made by jbou if I remeber
united states, home kit same than 2006, away made by tonykroos by my request
venezuela made by tonykroos by my request
great, simply for players use EA Ids for all players having one (check all old world cup database old gen, wcup 2006 db has lot of players ids)
 

DAPO777

Club Supporter
valambrosio2, will the files of your add on also be uploaded to Mediafire or an other website? I tried downloading the add on yesterday and the file was corrupted along with the rather annoying 60 minute waiting period after a download.
 


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