Discussion in 'Team Threads Forum' started by Xifio, Jun 12, 2009.
Messi more complete? Give me a break. Messi is better than Ronaldo on some aspects like dribbling and as you said teamwork. But there are many aspects in which Ronaldo is better. Headers, strength, power, long shots, freekicks etc. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Ronaldo's better, but he's definitely more complete. I admire Messi as a player more than Ronaldo though...
Thats only one thing that you mentioned. How about the aspects I mentioned above? I know its one of the most important aspects in football but you cannot call someone a complete player just because he's got team-work. Team work is not the only quality that an ideal player should have.
Agreed with this one. Ronaldo also is capable of doing that as he proved against Chelsea in the UCL final, against Arsenal numerous times etc but I still think that Messi is a bit better than Ronaldo when it comes to the big games.
Messi scores in everyfinal and most of classicos its much more decisive than ronaldo wich isn't better header than messi, its just taller.
his nose is so small in that photo, lool.
regarding this Messi-Ronaldo discussion.
Messi's biggest advantage beside his team work is:
Messi plays at his highest level during big matches, he players very well against top rivals like Real, Valencia, Sevilla and even european rivals. while Ronaldo's performance against big 4 was always average especially last year. Messi was impressing against Chelsea in his debut year.
A big player should prove himself against big teams.
Ronaldo has proven himself against big teams, if ManU did anything in last year's final it was thanks to him. He also destroyed Arsenal in the semis, got them through Porto, and scored in the CL final they did win.
Anyone judging him based on his few Madrid performances doesn't know what they're on about. He's been injured, he's playing in a new team with all the pressure in the world on him, he is still a top performer, and has only faced one big team, Barcelona, at Camp Nou, on his return match. Give em a ******* break.
No denying that Messi was the best last season by far. Wasn't really Ronaldo's season. He didn't show his full potential and was clearly not focussed in playing for United. In that respect Messi was way better last season but I still think Ronaldo is more complete and have more potential IF he cuts off things like his diving, ego character and complaining/flapping arms when things don't go his way. These are the things that bring him down a whole lot and its such a shame.
Clearly not only Marca, a lot of people think Ronaldo is better than Messi. And although fewer, there are plenty of people who find Barca's style boring. But it's good to know that having an unpopular opinion means I'm wrong, you should write a childern's book.
Also, just like a lot of people think Barca's style is fantastic a lot of people think Messi is the ****. Popular opinion = not fact. There are a lot of arguments against Messi's winning those titles. Barca's season meant that one of their players had to win the individual awards, and it could either be Messi or Iniesta/Xavi, in that way they got in each other's way, and these awards always go to the guy with the best tricks. Ronaldo, Kaka, Ronaldinho, all fantastic players, all of them dribblers.
Messi had a better season that Ronaldo, but that doesn't mean he's better. It's logical, but not necessarily so.
1) For starters youre right popular opinion = not right, just like unpopular opinion = not right too, so thats a double edged sword...
2) How the hell does being a better dribbler make you the better player? its fifa world player of the year, not fifa best trick/dribbler/showboater of the year...
3) Ronaldinho and Ronaldo fantastic dribblers, but kaka is totally different he doesn't use many tricks when taking the opposition on, and didn't cannavaro win a few years back, was he a fantastic dribbler too?
4) I think this award goes to the player who led their team to the most glory, the player who was more decisive and biggest factor for the team, weather by defending, great passing, great goal scoring, or great at taking opposition on with great "dribbling"...
5) Using tricks to get past the opposition is the same as Keeping ball glued to your feet to get past the opposition, they both achieve same result
strong argument, that's it, just review Fifa World awards.
I'm not judging him on his Madrid performance! They didn't face many big games like we did this season. Like you said Ronaldo played only against Barça, he was injured against Milan, Sevilla and suspended against Valencia. But I'm judging Ronaldo being decisive for the Big4 clashes I've seen in the last year, for the previous 3 matches against Barcelona (the ones I know the best). How many Liverpool derbies were decided by Ronaldo? What has Ronaldo done in the 3 Barcelona matches? I agree he scored in the UCL final and that's a strong argument. But let's not forget what he did in the most tense moment of that final. He missed a penalty! Sameas in the semifinal against us. Those could have been the two biggest penalties of his career. And he missed them...
I won't argue about the 'boring play'
You said that Messi won those individual trophies because of Barça's season. I think this Barça season was so impressing because of Messi's performance too. He was the most decisive, and the best player of the squad last year.
As Arnau said, Ronaldo is NOT better than Messi at headers.He is just taller. Messi has a fantastic header but the height just doesn't help him enough.
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I agree Dytza. Ronaldo won the awards last year because he achieved more things than Messi that season and this year was quite opposite so what's the problem?
Messi was much more consistent and effective last year and that's it.
When Messi can score with almost every parts of his body, who cares about heads.
Even Raul admitted last year that he enjoys watching Guardiola's Barca.
Sir Alex said the same thing multiple times and he said "it's great that his team can play Barca in the final and that's good for football".
looks like Iniesta's going to play at his best after the break. He started his individual training.
thats stupid, juande's madrid its another team than the actual one and even than the 2-6 one.
1. True, I would never suggest otherwise.
2. That's my point, dribbling is overhyped.
3. Cannavaro was the captain of a World Cup winning team. A team with no dribblers to give the award to. Italy won because of their defense, so Cannavaro was the only real choice. Kaka isn't famous for his dribbling, but he was the flair in that Milan team.
4. These awards go to a team, and a player is chosen from that team. I think either Xavi or Iniesta should've won, they're the drive behind Barca's success, but we've argued about this before, and my point is that Messi is given so much praise because of people over-valuing dribbling and flair.
That's absolutely retarded. So it's either possession football or catenaccio? Do you know anything about footie? Get your head out of your ass. I find direct, back-and-forth, counter-attaccking footie to be the most entertaining. Why? Because it's non-stop action. Slow-build-up is boring to me.
I'm glad that you're sticking with popular = good.
Form is temporary, class is permanent. You're just unbelievable. Ronaldo was best because Messi as injured, please. And Messi is best now because Ronaldo was busy thinking about Madrid. Give me a break. Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, I'm not denying that Messi is among the best players in the world, but I think Ronaldo is better.
I don't really see a point of stating my opinion but I too think Ronaldo is better. The only reason I say this is becaus I like his style of play more. Messi is the quicker/team-working/all-around great player but I enjoy seeing Ronaldo do what he does for his size and his very unique flair. I think he's the more creative player. I think he's the more revolutionary player. Just my opinion of course (which dosen't really matter).
Lol thats a good point. But unfortunately you gotta be tall to head the ball, thats one thing Ronaldo has over Messi: height.
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He's getting his form back as he showed in the 12 games he played this season scoring 13 goals.
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