FC Bayern München Thread [2009/10]

[paolo-fcb]

And it doesn't really matter much anyway. None of us here really get the impression that Bayern will spend money this summer. Our big transfers are basically Kroos, Alaba, Contento, Breno, and the fact that Badstuber and Muller are way ahead of schedule. We might buy an experienced left back (I heard an absolutely ridiculous Ashley Cole rumor that is so fake I laughed for about 10 minutes) because Contento isn't quite there, but other than that we're fine.

Next summer we're going to open the war chest. Neuer and probably a big name striker and a top class center back. One more big season and Bayern could be as attractive a club for foreign players as it's ever been, and that's saying something. For the life of me, I certainly don't remember a time when a Dutch international and Real Madrid player would leak a story through a friend claiming he would cycle through the Alps just to get a contract with us.

no my friend we need NOW new players, impossible to discover another Müller and another Badstuber next season so we need GK, CB, LB, CM, OM, striker new......

 

[Xifio]

bè amico le intercettazioni con facchetti sono palesi.........

vero ... ma sembra che tutti i club si è reso colpevole di fare qualcosa di illegale ...

non ci sono vincitori con questo calciopoli ... solo vinti ...

 

[paolo-fcb]

vero ... ma sembra che tutti i club si è reso colpevole di fare qualcosa di illegale ...

non ci sono vincitori con questo calciopoli ... solo vinti ...

probabilmente si cmq è uno skyfo..........

 

[Pizarro14]

again:


watch more calcio, please? listen Cedd, I'm not saying that the Bundesliga isn't heading in the right direction: Germany has done some tremendous things in terms of attendance figures, and the number of impressive stadia purpose-built for football is something to be proud of ... but this model has caught the eye of everyone, and Italian clubs have already mobilized themselves already to adopt similar strategies ... so I think if Italy is slipping in those standards, it is temporary, and it is merely still the aftermath of the corruption scandals ... the league as a whole and the constituent individual clubs have always shown a tremendous ability to recover and rise from adversity in whatever form ...

but the difference in sporting pedigree and history for a larger number of teams is what sets Italy as an elite league, and what sets it above Germany in terms of reputation for the biggest players in the world ... Germany are closing the gap on the elite leagues, but they are not there yet ... even the UEFA coefficient will back me up on this for at least 1 more season; and I hope, for more ...




ancora contro l'inter? ma dai ...

I completely agree I also feel that the german and italian league is even. But imho German football is more entertaining then the calcio. And this is from a neutral fan with respect to both leagues.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Modern Italian football has been built on corruption and debt. When UEFA starts forcing leagues and clubs to run profits Serie A will fall even further. Germany, on the other hand, is a league that has expanded honestly and within its means.

 

[Xifio]

imho German football is more entertaining then the calcio. And this is from a neutral fan with respect to both leagues.

Italy is very tactical, very cerebral, in its approach ... but teams like Napoli, Palermo, Samp, Fiorentina (though not so much this year), Genoa, and even Catania since Mihajlović took over are a lot of fun to watch ... that is apart from the matches where the top teams turn on the style ... the Bundesliga's appeal is similar to the Prem's appeal as far as I am concerned: high on intensity, atmosphere, and often pace too ... but I am not a fan of the Prem ... and I usually watch the Bundesliga only to follow certain players (like Özil, Marin, and Kießling), though Van Gaal's appointment at Bayern made it imperative to me that I caught extended highlights as often as I could ...

Modern Italian football has been built on corruption and debt. When UEFA starts forcing leagues and clubs to run profits Serie A will fall even further. Germany, on the other hand, is a league that has expanded honestly and within its means.

yeah, there was a discussion recently on SG about the German teams needing to run at a profit by law, which is surely going to put all the German teams in good stead once UEFA crack down on the financial aspect of the game ... but Italy has never really had a problem finding funds to keep the bigger teams afloat -- look at the renaissance of Fiorentina, for example ... Man U should probably be more concerned about the debt problems ...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

yeah, there was a discussion recently on SG about the German teams needing to run at a profit by law, which is surely going to put all the German teams in good stead once UEFA crack down on the financial aspect of the game ... but Italy has never really had a problem finding funds to keep the bigger teams afloat -- look at the renaissance of Fiorentina, for example ... Man U should probably be more concerned about the debt problems ...

You cite Fiorentina as an example? They were lucky as **** that they kept Di Livio when they had to enter Serie C2. "Oh, we never have trouble finding funds for the big clubs! Fiorentina only temporarily ceased to exist and then dropped to the 4th tier because of funds. No big deal!"

And I'm sure you're aware, but aside from Holland, the Bundesliga is the highest scoring big league in Europe. Italy is boring as ******* ****, it's no wonder Juventus can't even fill their stadium to 50% capacity for league games.

 

[Pizarro14]

Juventus can't even fill their stadium to 50% capacity for league games.

haha so trueee.



I fall asleep watching juventus and ac milan games for some reason. But watching Genoa and Sampdoria with of course Inter and Fiorentina are a joy to watch. Rome has fallen off the map for some reason. Maybe not enough coverage.

 

[Xifio]

You cite Fiorentina as an example? They were lucky as **** that they kept Di Livio when they had to enter Serie C2. "Oh, we never have trouble finding funds for the big clubs! Fiorentina only temporarily ceased to exist and then dropped to the 4th tier because of funds. No big deal!"

I was talking about their renaissance -- i.e. their ability to recover from dropping down to the bottom rungs of professional football, finding their way back into Serie A, and back into the latter stages of the Champions League within a few years ...

And I'm sure you're aware, but aside from Holland, the Bundesliga is the highest scoring big league in Europe.

lots of goals doesn't mean that the quality of play is good ...

Italy is boring as ******* ****, it's no wonder Juventus can't even fill their stadium to 50% capacity for league games.

Juve just had one of their worst seasons ever ... what a surprise that the fans weren't flocking to their temporary home of the Stadio Olimpico ...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I was talking about their renaissance -- i.e. their ability to recover from dropping down to the bottom rungs of professional football, finding their way back into Serie A, and back into the latter stages of the Champions League within a few years ...


lots of goals doesn't mean that the quality of play is good ...


Juve just had one of their worst seasons ever ... what a surprise that the fans weren't flocking to their temporary home of the Stadio Olimpico ...

They were probably promoted successively because Italy is corrupt as hell in soccer and other aspects. Leeds is the equivalent in England and they aren't exactly bouncing back right away.

Lots of goals doesn't mean the quality of play is good, but I'm assuming that you watch most of the games on television. Most television stations don't have long camera angles where you can enjoy the brilliant off ball movement of Pandev when Maicon is storming up the pitch. And even more to the point, even Johan Cruyff's eyes are attracted to the ball and not the off-ball movement; in person you can correct for this, but when the camera follows the ball it is extremely hard to do. If you want to take the purist's side and argue against traditional excitement, fine, go right ahead, but you can't do that if you're watching on television, because you can't see nearly everything that's happening. If you have season tickets for Roma, please accept my apology.

Give me a ******* break, I don't watch Juventus games these days. I remember watching Champions League games back when they had Zidane and Davids, and the stadium was always empty.

 

[paolo-fcb]

In Italy stadiums are always empty, its a big trouble for italian football, while in Germany or England 4 evey match they're full, 4 example the Allianz is sold out since 5 years and so the stadium of teams kind Borussia 09 or Schalke, in England Old Trafford has a capacity of 68.000 and they have almost 60.000 with a normal game with Sunderland or Wigan, and in the countries I typed there're TV the same.......the difference? In Italy TV talk about football 7 days a week, 24 hours a day, in other countries not, italians fans are addicted by football so the referee's behaviour and the scandals.....

p.s. and violence

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Ehhhh, perhaps. But I think Germans care about soccer just as much as Italians.

 

[paolo-fcb]

Ehhhh, perhaps. But I think Germans care about soccer just as much as Italians.

Ja but tv's and newspapers dont spam like here........

 

[Pizarro14]

Ja but tv's and newspapers dont spam like here........

I'm sure the Germans care more about futbol then the Italians now. I mean money and tight leather Carlos*ets ride for them (italian players) lol.....


I just think the Serie A is gonna fall as a trend to enjoy watching football and its going to switch over to the bundesliga. Even in European competitions these last couple of seasons any German club that stepped in has been entertatining to watch. So who knows what the future brings.

 

[Xifio]

They were probably promoted successively because Italy is corrupt as hell in soccer and other aspects. Leeds is the equivalent in England and they aren't exactly bouncing back right away.

so Leeds not bouncing back but Fiorentina doing so (and being able to assemble a talented squad) is because of corruption? ok ... too many hypotheticals to construct a legitimate argument on that front ...

Lots of goals doesn't mean the quality of play is good, but I'm assuming that you watch most of the games on television. Most television stations don't have long camera angles where you can enjoy the brilliant off ball movement of Pandev when Maicon is storming up the pitch.

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in person you can correct for this, but when the camera follows the ball it is extremely hard to do.

uh, actually, you can see the pitch quite well ... especially on the wider-angle HD coverage ... not like being at the stadium, but it is good ... and the camera follows the ball, but you're not zoomed in so you can't see the various runs ... if anything, the TV directors have recognized the need to see those various runs that comprise "beautifully-constructed" team goals ...

And even more to the point, even Johan Cruyff's eyes are attracted to the ball and not the off-ball movement

hahah what bilge, Danny boy ... you know that for a fact, do you?

If you want to take the purist's side and argue against traditional excitement, fine, go right ahead, but you can't do that if you're watching on television, because you can't see nearly everything that's happening. If you have season tickets for Roma, please accept my apology.

there are no standard definitions for "purist" and "traditional excitement" as far as I am concerned (no matter if others think so) ... apparently drinking oneself silly is "traditionally exciting" esp. for college students, but escaping from reality has never appealed to me ... I don't like physical football ... I don't need constant counterattacking to appreciate watching a match ... I can appreciate those sides of the game, but it is not my priority ... I like to watch the tactical side of things ... and I like to see flair players ...

Give me a ******* break, I don't watch Juventus games these days. I remember watching Champions League games back when they had Zidane and Davids, and the stadium was always empty.

I'm not saying Juve don't have poor attendance, but I just think you've picked a very bad example to make your point about attendance in Italy ... Juve is renovating its stadium because the Delle Alpi was terrible for the fans ... the new stadium literally fits inside the old one -- that's how detached the fans were from the action ... so even in the days of Zidane, fans would only pack the stands for occasions such as the semifinals of the Champions League ... the San Siro, on the other hand, does not have that problem, but isn't always packed to the rafters ...

attendance is a big problem in Italy ... but again, the clubs have long recognized this, and have already started the process to build stadia of their own, purpose-built for football ... Germany have got the inside track on that front, and good for them ... won't put me off watching calcio ...

 

[yoyo913]

apparently drinking oneself silly is "traditionally exciting" (esp. for college students) ... but escaping from reality has never appealed to me ...

Ok, now you've REALLY pissed off Shifty.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

apparently drinking oneself silly is "traditionally exciting" esp. for college students, but escaping from reality has never appealed to me

This combined with the wordy arguments you get in all the time, makes you really sound like a barrel of laughs.

Ok, now you've REALLY pissed off Shifty.

Ohhhhhh yes.

 

[Xifio]

Ok, now you've REALLY pissed off Shifty.

Ohhhhhh yes.

haha, for shame ...

This combined with the wordy arguments you get in all the time, makes you really sound like a barrel of laughs.

thanks for the, erm, compliment ...

 

[B9Goal]

This thread has gone ninja.

 

[paolo-fcb]

please guys, this thread is called FC Bayern München Thread [2009/10]