FC Porto Thread [2005-2006]

[INFESTA]

Oh, come on Tiago_10, as if Benfica didn't do that for years.
It's okay for a team to stop a good player from joining a rival team. Hell, that's why Di Stefano -one of the 5 best players ever - ended up in Real Madrid instead of Barcelona.
So Paulo Assunção signed with Porto? Bohoo, like he didn't know where he was going to. He made a choice, nobody pointed a gun at his head, so no complaints in his case.

 

[SCP19O6]

So Paulo Assunção signed with Porto? Bohoo, like he didn't know where he was going to. He made a choice, nobody pointed a gun at his head, so no complaints in his case.

I thought we were talking from the club's point of view, not the palyer's

 

[Tiago_10]

Oh, come on Tiago_10, as if Benfica didn't do that for years.
It's okay for a team to stop a good player from joining a rival team. Hell, that's why Di Stefano -one of the 5 best players ever - ended up in Real Madrid instead of Barcelona.

Yeah I guess it's normal, but not as intensively as PDC does. Most of the times they end up proving they're not worth buying anyways.

 

[::shinji::]

Great to see Derlei showing his class in Russia, and I hope the ex-Porto trio gets to help Dinamo grow too.
I wouldn't find it even remotely funny if they ended up playing on the Russian 2nd division they are great players and deserve the best.

well, their qualities are irrelevant here...and it would be indeed very funny, and even ironic to see them go to an inferior team/league just for the money then end up playing in a 2nd division. Maniche in particular, who could have gone anywhere but obviously had his judgement clouded by dollar signs..

 

[Tajike]

Interesting article in O Jogo...:

Adeus futebol rendilhado

A concepção de jogo de Co Adriaanse é muito diferente das dos seus antecessores no FC Porto. O futebol que a equipa vai praticar terá pouco a ver com aquele que os adeptos estavam habituados - ou desabituados, consoante a perspectiva. Será privilegiado o futebol directo e o jogo rápido pelas alas. Sempre ao ataque

Pelo que se conhece de Co Adriaanse, é possível descrever desde já o tipo de futebol que o novo FC Porto vai praticar. E será um futebol diferente daquele que os adeptos portistas estão habituados a ver, quase sempre embelezado pelo perfume brasileiro, com muitos toques na bola até ela chegar à baliza adversária. Com Adriaanse haverá um futebol directo e rápido, jogado pelos flancos e fundamentado nas constantes trocas de posições entre os jogadores.

Manuel Bravo da Silva, o português radicado na Holanda que conhece bem Co Adriaanse, ajudou a tentar perceber como actuam as equipas do ex-técnico do AZ Alkmaar, a começar pelos sistemas tácticos, que são fundamentalmente dois: o 4-3-3, que passa a um 3-4-3 quando a equipa tem a bola, graças à subida de um defesa para o meio-campo; e um 4-4-2 losango, de certa forma parecido com aquele que José Mourinho utilizava no FC Porto. "O sistema adoptado sê-lo-á em função do adversário. Na Holanda todas as equipas jogam ao ataque e por isso o Co Adriaanse não mudava muito o sistema, era quase sempre o 3-4-3", revela Bravo da Silva, ressalvando, no entanto que, até haver confiança e à vontade nesse novo esquema, o FC Porto deverá ser jogar no inicial 4-3-3.

A forma de jogar é que será diferente, independentemente do desenho. Por exemplo, a bola nunca deverá circular lentamente, sendo necessário o passe rápido, forte e colocado, de maneira a dar um andamento vivo ao jogo. O passe nunca deverá ser efectuado na direcção do jogador, mas dois ou três metros mais à frente, para poupar tempo no trajecto invariável da bola até chegar à baliza contrária. A boa recepção de bola é fundamental. Também as fintas passam a ser menos necessárias, sendo privilegiado o futebol directo e em progressão, em antítese ao futebol muitas vezes praticado por portugueses e brasileiros, com passes para o lado e sem grande progressão no campo.

O jogo mental também é utilizado pelo treinador holandês. De acordo com Manuel Bravo da Silva, "Co Adriaanse ataca quando menos se espera e defende quanto todos contam que ataque". "É uma forma de surpreender os adversários. Muitas vezes ataca com quatro avançados". A liberdade organizativa é dada a vários jogadores e não só a um, da mesma forma que há uma constante troca de posições, com os médios a aparecerem no ataque, beneficiando da subida da defesa para apoiar o meio-campo. O grande segredo de Co Adriaanse é o jogo colectivo.


Destaques

- o sistema inicial deve ser o 4-3-3

- numa fase posterior, o objectivo é que a equipa evolua para o 3-4-3

- passe rápido e sempre para a frente

- um ponta-de-lança fixo, alto e bom no jogo aéreo

- trocas de posições constantes entre os três médios e os restantes avançados

- o guarda-redes deve actuar como líbero, nas costas dos três defesas

- não há um "dez" organizador de jogo: a bola passa por toda a equipa

- a função de trinco é exercida por um dos centrais, que sobe para o meio-campo quando a equipa tem a bola

- é esse jogador que inicia a distribuição do jogo ofensivo

- obrigatório: todos os jogadores têm de saber defender e de o fazer sempre

 

[Paulo Da Silva]

i like what i read

 

[Virgo]

A Bola says Blackburn Rovers have offered 8 million € for Benni McCarthy. That matches the release clause so Porto can't reject it.

It's all up to the player now.

 

[Parasol]

only one thing to ask: what has won Co Adriaanse before?

 

[Paulo Da Silva]

what did Mourinho win before coming to Porto?Don't be an asshole.

 

[Parasol]

Mourinho was an assistant manager of Bobby Robson and Louis Van Gaal winning some things before getting to porto, if you don't remember how he started.

i just asked question and you called me an "asshole"... that's great, shows great class

 

[Virgo]

stop acting like scp1906, parasol.

 

[Parasol]

okay, now i can't ask anything.

 

[INFESTA]

Thanks for the article, Tajike. What can we say? So far so good, but it's only words so far. Can't wait to see Co's team in action!

Virgo, are you sure Benni's release clause is that low? 8M for a proven forward sounds like almost for free. Besides, we payed more money to buy him didn't we? So it is a bit stupid to fix a low value in his release clause...

Parasol, save dumb questions for the Record forums, mate. But here's your answer: I hope he is coming with a great desire to be successful and win trophies.

 

[Paulo Da Silva]

okay, now i can't ask anything.

u can ask any question you want, as long as u ain't trying to start ****, which u were. Don't go acting all innocent.

Plus i didn't call u an asshole, i said don't be like one. Totally different

 

[ADC1987]

I HOPE THAT HE WILL BRING PORTO AGAIN TO THE TOP!!!

a 3-4-3 wow
very offensive

Baía as a líbero?

 

[Paulo Da Silva]

Baia already acts like a libero. That's why i'm not worried about that

 

[Parasol]

as i did on the other thread, i just copy pasted this from a blog:



Treinador: Co Adriaanse (1ª época, holandês, AZ Alkmaar).

Entradas: Hélton (guarda-redes, brasileiro, União Leiria), Paulo Ribeiro (guarda-redes, Vitória Setúbal), Bruno Alves (defesa-central, AEK Atenas), Sandro (médio defensivo, Vitória Setúbal), Paulo Assunção (médio defensivo, brasileiro, AEK Atenas), Luis 'Lucho' González (médio interior, argentino, River Plate), Jorginho (médio ofensivo, brasileiro, Vitória Setúbal), Alan (extremo, brasileiro, Marítimo), Bruno Moraes (avançado, brasileiro, Vitória Setúbal), Lisandro 'Licha' López (avançado, argentino, Racing Club), Tomo Sokota (avançado, croata, Benfica , Hugo Almeida (avançado, Boavista).

Saídas: José Couceiro (treinador), Nuno Espírito Santo, Seitaridis (Dinamo Moscovo), Costinha (Dinamo Moscovo), Maniche (Dinamo Moscovo), Cláudio Pitbull, Luis Fabiano (Sevilha).

Possíveis Entradas: Jan Kromkamp (lateral-direito, holandês, AZ Alkmaar), Cicinho (lateral-direito, brasileiro, São Paulo), Nélson (lateral-extremo direito/esquerdo, cabo-verdiano, Boavista), José Castro (defesa-central, Académica), Marcos António (defesa-central, brasileiro, Gil Vicente), Fernando Meira (defesa-central/médio defensivo, VfB Estugarda), Danny Landzaat (médio defensivo/centro, holandês, AZ Alkmaar), Pedro Mendes (médio centro, Tottenham Hotspurs), Hugo Leal (médio centro, Académica), João Alves (médio centro/interior direito, Sp. Braga), Hugo Viana (médio interior esquerdo/médio ofensivo, Sporting via Newcastle), Marco Ferreira (extremo-direito, Vitória Guimarães), César Peixoto (extremo-esquerdo, Vitória Guimarães), Diogo Valente (extremo-esquerdo, Boavista), Fred (avançado, brasileiro, Cruzeiro).

Possíveis Saídas: Bruno Vale (Estrela Amadora/União Leiria), Pepe, Areias (Boavista/Belenenses), Leandro, Raul Meireles (AEK Atenas), Paulo Machado (Estrela Amadora), Léo Lima, Benni McCarthy (Newcastle/Tottenham/Blackburn).


lots of new signings and rumours too.

 

[RuiCosta_10]

A question to all Portistas on this board...

Are you liking PDC policy with this and last year signings, i mean with the quantity of players that get in and out constantly?

 

[zuppafly]

A question to all Portistas on this board...

Are you liking PDC policy with this and last year signings, i mean with the quantity of players that get in and out constantly?

No.
I'm terribly disapointed.
And I have absolutely no faith at all dor next season.

And I hope I'm wrong, but Co will last only until Xmas...

His 4*3*3 turning into a 3*4*3 style is not for Portuguese football. Not at all.... He doesn't even play with a "Nº10". Last one to do that? Del Neri, the wonder coach from Chievo. Using a CB to start the offensive runs is suicide in Portugal (specially if he does it wht Pepe). He has two choices: adapt the players to his style and fail miserably, or adapt his style to the players. And from what I've been reading of his interviews, he'll be doing the first option.

Sorry Portistas folks, that's just my opinion... when I saw Alan, Sandro,etc.. getting bought I understood imediatly that we won't have a chance next year. The SAD did not learn (or didn't wanted to learn) from past mistakes.

 

[zuppafly]

BTW, I can only laugh with one thing. Co wants a 3*4*3 with the right/left back turining into Centrals when the team has the ball. Do you want to have a right/left back with less than 1m80 then? No. Wh did we have to the right side who could play very well as a CB? Giourkas. And now what? Buying Kromkamp? He's not gonna cost less than 7/8 mill + salaries + all the money that goes into the "empresarios" pocket (you all know that's how it works)... For a player that we don't know if he will adapt? Giourkas played as a CB in the Euro...

Oh wait... get Cicinho, another cheap brasilian wonder kid with 1m70... how good he'll be playing as a CB!! 1M70cm FFS!!!! Didn't we learn with Ibarra?? At least Areias will stay (I know everyone seems to hate him, but he always did a good job defending when he was called, and he CAN play as a CB if needed.

It's sad to see the SAD destroying my club.