Fifa07-the total dissapointment!

[nickolay22]

Hi to all! I've just beaten Brasil with Accrington from England's Football League 2! The result was 1:0, but in World class! In the real world it is impossible! And I even didn't make any real efforts to crush them! Ronaldihno was absolutely not doing anything! No celebration video after I become champion in England...THIS IS NOT THE GAME! They are just doing fast money for another year! And I'm not a super good player! PES5 also has problems-too many draws 0:0 at six stars difficulty...I mean when you play against teams like Barca or Milan,if you are with weak team, they definately must score against you!!!!!Waiting for the real thing PES6 like many of us!

 

[temo]

I won't comment on one specific match, but in general FIFA has made the midfield battles completely useless. Ask any knowledgeable football fan where games are won and lost and they'll tell you about the midfield.

Gattuso is the main reason Italy won the World Cup. He led the tournament in tackles, and controlled the flow of games for both offence and defence.

In FIFA, the gameplay is all about the final 10% of the field. The game is horribly unbalanced. To a casual 'soccer' fan this seems fine because the final 10% is where all the action is, but to a more astutue observer you've lost the essence of football when you concede the tactical midfield battles.

A solid midfielder in PES/WE is worth his weight in gold. In FIFA, a half decent striker and some manmarking can destroy any team in the world.

I can understand that the typical fifa arcade gamer won't notice these things, but when you eat/breathe/sleep football you pickup on the problems right away.

That said, lately I've played more FIFA07 because it is fresh, and the production values are simply outstanding. But in a couple weeks PES comes out and FIFA is abandoned aside from the occasional mutliplayer game. It's funny, after a couple weeks of FIFA you tend to see every type of goal the game will provide, yet with WE/PES you're still saving new replays months later.

 

[chiro]

Well said main ..

I can understand that the typical fifa arcade gamer won't notice these things, but when you eat/breathe/sleep football you pickup on the problems right away.

Amen

 

[Relica]

Pes is the game of course it is. I have played fifa07 xbox 360 demo on wc and easily won.

But lets face it for a lot of people this year pes has been too hard.

 

[The_Knight]

A solid midfielder in PES/WE is worth his weight in gold.

after a couple weeks of FIFA you tend to see every type of goal the game will provide, yet with WE/PES you're still saving new replays months later.

True and very true.

I downloaded the Fifa07 demo, played the game after 2 years of abstinence, scored 3 identical/ugly goals in one half, then deleted the game. I scored, without doing any tactics, without learning anything, without tuning the strategy, and without using any advanced options or even player run. This is how shallow Fifa is.

I can't believe ppl actually pay money for this game when there's a PES/WE game sitting right there beside it.

 

[nickolay22]

Another screenshot for the stupidity of the game

Just to prove for myself that Fifa07 is not worthy to play.....
1.I have chosen WORLD CLASS and Barcelona
2.Sold all my star players, and played the whole season with the most untalanted players I have
3.I have finished second in Spain
4.WHY I WILL NEED TO BUY ANYONE IF I CAN PLAY WELL WITH ANYBODY IN MY TEAM....

The screenshot shows how much money I have for transfers at the beginning of the second season-budget of 386,514,780 euros!

Sorry, I really hope that EA will try to give a mighty answer to PES5. Obviously this will not happen!

 

[introspectre]

I won't comment on one specific match, but in general FIFA has made the midfield battles completely useless. Ask any knowledgeable football fan where games are won and lost and they'll tell you about the midfield.

Gattuso is the main reason Italy won the World Cup. He led the tournament in tackles, and controlled the flow of games for both offence and defence.

In FIFA, the gameplay is all about the final 10% of the field. The game is horribly unbalanced. To a casual 'soccer' fan this seems fine because the final 10% is where all the action is, but to a more astutue observer you've lost the essence of football when you concede the tactical midfield battles.

A solid midfielder in PES/WE is worth his weight in gold. In FIFA, a half decent striker and some manmarking can destroy any team in the world.

I can understand that the typical fifa arcade gamer won't notice these things, but when you eat/breathe/sleep football you pickup on the problems right away.

That said, lately I've played more FIFA07 because it is fresh, and the production values are simply outstanding. But in a couple weeks PES comes out and FIFA is abandoned aside from the occasional mutliplayer game. It's funny, after a couple weeks of FIFA you tend to see every type of goal the game will provide, yet with WE/PES you're still saving new replays months later.

Since you "eat sleep and breathe football", explain to me what's realistic about the defenders in PES/WE sticking to you like glue for 90 solid minutes on higher difficulty levels? Every time I've asked this, it's been met with silence, I am assuming because everyone just realizes that that's one area of PES that's HORRIBLY unrealistic.

 

[The_Knight]

Well, for a starter, it's realistic because that's what happens in top notch UEFA matches. The main goal of the defender is to not let your player even get the ball.

Secondly, I never found this to be a problem. Shaking the markers away is absolutely no problem. The game is always equiped with a problem, and a solution to the problem. And you can apply that in any aspect of the gameplay.

 

[introspectre]

Well, for a starter, it's realistic because that's what happens in top notch UEFA matches. The main goal of the defender is to not let your player even get the ball.

Secondly, I never found this to be a problem. Shaking the markers away is absolutely no problem. The game is always equiped with a problem, and a solution to the problem. And you can apply that in any aspect of the gameplay.

What? We must not be playing the same game then, because the defense just is NOT realistic at all on 5 or 6 stars. No teams, ANYWHERE play that tight a defense for 90 minutes, its just physically impossible.

 

[The_Knight]

True. Not ALL teams play like that, some do.

For instance, Brazil, even on 6*, is the easiest to beat. I'm 1-on-1 at their goal all through the game. This is because Brazil plays an open game with a 1-line defence that are easiest to breach.

On the other hand, playing with Classic Italy could be disasterous. You'll be receiving the ball with your back to the goal all through the game. Marking is really tough, and you can't possibly win by repeating the same strategy you use when playing Brazil. This IS realism.

Near the end of the game, the defense may get tired and make some mistakes, however, so will your forwards, which is again where tactics should kick in.

This is realism. And this is why, in PES/WE, you don't have to games similar to each other at all. And you can't score the same way all the time. This IS realism again.

The strategy/playing part of the gameplay doesn't bother me at all. It's the relative lack of animations and movement possibilities. I mean in comparison to the potential of the series, and to real soccer, and not at all in comparison to Fifa which is a 3rd class game in comparison to WE/PES.

 

[Aarfy Aardvark]

Since you "eat sleep and breathe football", explain to me what's realistic about the defenders in PES/WE sticking to you like glue for 90 solid minutes on higher difficulty levels? Every time I've asked this, it's been met with silence, I am assuming because everyone just realizes that that's one area of PES that's HORRIBLY unrealistic.

Play against a side with a low pressing rating (i.e - attacking teams like Brazil etc.) and you will find that you have more space than if you play less talented teams who will press for 90 mins constantly to deny you space on the ball. This is not so much to do with difficulty level, but the team you happen to be playing. The difficulty level increases the awareness of the AI and the movement of the players. So for instance, if you wanted to play through-balls into the box with a guy like Henry - the computer on the higher difficulty levels will either assign a man-marking job on him, or play a deeper defensive line.

Either you are constantly playing a team who presses you all the time, to which point you have to hold them off and exploit the spaces left by their movement, or you are not very good at the game.

I'm thinking the latter, seeing as you can't deal with it.

All that said, if you think a high-tempo constantly pressing team is not realistic, then you obviously don't watch a lot of football.

There is nothing unrealistic about what you are saying.

What? We must not be playing the same game then, because the defense just is NOT realistic at all on 5 or 6 stars. No teams, ANYWHERE play that tight a defense for 90 minutes, its just physically impossible.

Which is why high-pressing zaps player stamina for those not equipped to deal with it, and is why around the 70-75 minute mark, those players will suddenly become slow and unresponsive.

I've also had cases where I've a team who have nicked an early goal, sat back and suddenly been breached by onslaught for 75 minutes, only then to crumble when I finally do score. Mainly because their stamina goes and the team morale goes down-hill.

 

[ibo]

I fully agree with the thread title. And it's not a suprise. When i first played the fifa07 demo, it was fun but after a few days you start to feel that every goal you score is just another copy of your previous scored goals and this just feels not realistic. Not to mention the other points (e.g. AI, models vs..)..

 

[avok23]

you guys should pls join the official fifa forum and explain to those kids. i have and now most of them hate me

 

[muscularmatt]

i don't get much time to play nowadays, but i play pro evo 5 usually on
the low difficulties, i.e. 2 or 3 stars and i have a decent enough amount
of fun - i.e. i usually win, but sometimes it goes wrong. i downloaded
the demo for fifa 06 when it came out, and after the first HALF, i was
like 6-0 up. the same happened when fifa 07 demo came out- i was
3-0 up against barcelona before you could say vote labour.

in essence, fifa is just too easy.

i was a fifa fan for yeeeears, but in the days where restrictions on games
were so that no real level of realism could ever be reached - it was just
arcadeish fun. now we have better computers and can produce realism,
then pro evo is clearly better - not perfect no, but much better.

can't wait for pro evo 6

 

[snoppf1]

most of you are judging this game on a demo


the first thread is totally wrong, the key to fifa 06 is to had a good midfild, i always struggle when my midfielders in my season mode are tired. unlike pes where pace dosen't matter much, dribbling isant usefull at all, the problem with fifa 07 is cpu can't tackle well at all, its too easy to just run at defences with a good attacker with pace, and theres too much space given to you as the cpu dont close down well.

unlike most of the above who dont understand a thing about fifa 07, that acccrington thin i believe yes, it was on 2 minutes and the guy got a lucky goal and won, after playing the same fixture 50 times

play the game with teams like 3 1/2 star with just the default gameplay vs a 5 star team, its hard alright.

also avok i dont understand you at all, i agree most of the kids on the officall webiste are stupid, the whole fourm is full of kids and its stupid but, you release pattches just days after the game has been released. also you keep glorfiying pes like its perfect where there are issues like 6 star being easier than 3 star which is something everyone knows about

 

[pefan]

The bigger picture is that PES may be the best football game on the planet. But FIFA is getting there. Its got 89 percent this year in reviews. And is very good. Look at the effort Konami made with PES6 on XboX360...Look at EAs effort. Look at the difference there. PES6 on 360 wins by GAMEPLAY alone and maybe a couple of player faces. You cant rely on that forever. Gameplay is something that can be progressed an fixed within time. In PES (SOund, Game Modes are poor) Edit mode is the good thing though. Fifa wins in everything else except the fundemental gameplay. Which Fifa is getting close to now.

PES fans need to stop being fan boys and recognize the poor movement technique and passing involved in PES. PES is very manual meaning everythin u do even to make plays get off their backsides and lose markers has to be done by you. Even then they still dont respond. Konami is getting complacent adn PES Fans should know this

I mean how does Ronaldinho with 97 technique manage to miscontrol a ball a lot of the time under pressure. How does Hyppia catch MEssi???

Everyone here is complaing about midfield battle. Next year i'll bet that EA have come on here and will make sure that is in there game for next year. AS well as improving ball physics. PES6 on Xbox360 supposedly next gen looks the same!

 

[The_Knight]

Gameplay is something that can be progressed an fixed within time.

I believe it's the complete opposite. Graphics is what could be fixed in a blink. Any amateur programmer knows how to generate jaw-dropping graphics.

On the other hand, Gameplay modification is much more deep and complex. Many factors add in, and in order to reach the perfection that is PES/WE, you need at least years of trial and error, and intense programming. Unlike graphics.

 

[jantcuad]

i don't get much time to play nowadays, but i play pro evo 5 usually on
the low difficulties, i.e. 2 or 3 stars and i have a decent enough amount
of fun - i.e. i usually win, but sometimes it goes wrong. i downloaded
the demo for fifa 06 when it came out, and after the first HALF, i was
like 6-0 up. the same happened when fifa 07 demo came out- i was
3-0 up against barcelona before you could say vote labour.

in essence, fifa is just too easy.

i was a fifa fan for yeeeears, but in the days where restrictions on games
were so that no real level of realism could ever be reached - it was just
arcadeish fun. now we have better computers and can produce realism,
then pro evo is clearly better - not perfect no, but much better.

can't wait for pro evo 6

Fifa way to easy huh?? Go play online.. i am sure you wont be able to even make a shot on goal.

And thats for everybody complaining about that... cause i do too... playing against the computer in Fifa is absolutely WORTHLESS, BORING AND SCRIPTED!!! Same goals and no fun at all... you can just win against brazil using a 2nd division team, world class, and after a week of playing.

HOWEVER, online experience in Fifa is like playing another game...go try it out... challenge yourself to make the same goal twice to see how many matches it will take you.

 

[rusturecber]

What I like about Fifa 07 the most is that there are many types of shooting and you have full control over it. You use L2 and R2 to decide if you like execute a powerful shot or a inside-of-the-foot shoot like Henry's... (you know what I mean)

I would like to see this in a PES game in the future.

 

[ToaTheBoa]

What I like about Fifa 07 the most is that there are many types of shooting and you have full control over it. You use L2 and R2 to decide if you like execute a powerful shot or a inside-of-the-foot shoot like Henry's... (you know what I mean)

I would like to see this in a PES game in the future.

You mean the shot in PES where you press R2 to shoot with the inside of the foot? We got that in PES5...