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HOW IS BRAZIL STILL #1 IN THE WORLD
- Thread starter Italia#1
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Paolo_Rossi
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Teknos ,how do u know that Brazil is superior to Italy or France ?You can say all the statistics you want ,but you have no proof .
Paolo_Rossi:
But it doesn't matter how close Italy came to winning; they didn't, and France won. Fair and simple, that's it. No excuses, no stupid crap about how Italy 'shut' them out or anything. France won, Trezeguet and Wiltord scored. That's it. Nothing more. Boo hoo.
And what are you talking about ?
[Teknos ,how do u know that Brazil is superior to Italy or France ?]
Look at what I posted:
[The teams Brasil has to play are far superior to the teams that Italy and France has had to play recently. Therefore, they are still and will be a top footballing nation, whether you like it or not.]
Where did I talk about Brasil being better than France or Italy ? I simply said Brasil has had to play more difficult teams in the past 2 years/recently. Read carefully before making senseless accusations.
And about proof ? Well, Brasil has 4 World Cups to their name, they ship more players out to foreign nations (including ITALY, who must see some kind of value in them, since they poach them often), they have just won the Copa America recently, they reached the World Cup final in 1998, etc.
That there is enough to prove that Brasil is one of the best nations in the world of footballing. And the way it looks, even Italian teams seem to think the same. :0)
TeKNoS
But it doesn't matter how close Italy came to winning; they didn't, and France won. Fair and simple, that's it. No excuses, no stupid crap about how Italy 'shut' them out or anything. France won, Trezeguet and Wiltord scored. That's it. Nothing more. Boo hoo.
And what are you talking about ?
[Teknos ,how do u know that Brazil is superior to Italy or France ?]
Look at what I posted:
[The teams Brasil has to play are far superior to the teams that Italy and France has had to play recently. Therefore, they are still and will be a top footballing nation, whether you like it or not.]
Where did I talk about Brasil being better than France or Italy ? I simply said Brasil has had to play more difficult teams in the past 2 years/recently. Read carefully before making senseless accusations.
And about proof ? Well, Brasil has 4 World Cups to their name, they ship more players out to foreign nations (including ITALY, who must see some kind of value in them, since they poach them often), they have just won the Copa America recently, they reached the World Cup final in 1998, etc.
That there is enough to prove that Brasil is one of the best nations in the world of footballing. And the way it looks, even Italian teams seem to think the same. :0)
TeKNoS
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Paolo_Rossi
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Teknos ,prove to me to me that Brazil is superior .The fact that they have 4 world cups is useless as proof cause both Germany and italy needs to win one and it will be all square .If im right most brazilian players adopt the italian style because they play in Serie A ,so it would mean that both team know each other and are pratically equal .
you know, i think that brazil is a great team and deserve to be in the top 3, but rihgt now they dont deserve #1. you say that brazil had a bad day against france, well if your the best team in the world, you shouldnt have a bad game. and lately i havent seen france play a bad game. oh but you will say every team has a bad game. so when they lost to paraguay, let me guess they had a bad game
For the past month I've been trying to tell people that Brasil may not be THE best, but ONE of the THE best. It's pointless, since Paolo_Rossi and Juninhio keep going at it as to who is better and who sucks, and what nation will never make it anywhere, and saying stupid crap such as "WORLD CUPS AREN'T PROOF OF ACCOMPLISHMENT or SUPERIORITY to other teams." Aniother stupid thing he said was also that "a team that is the best is a team that never loses." WTF >??? That's insane, and obviously his brain wasn't involved in that one.
From now on I will disregard Italy's World Cup wins, since Paolo_Rossi has convinced me that World Cups really don't mean a thing. I guess France isn't really the best then, since they won recently. Hell I guess their Euro trophy is also useless, since it doesn't mean a thing. Maybe now you see how utterly STUPID it is to say that a World Cup isn't the ultimate proof of skill and accomplishment or superiority to other nations.
All teams have their ups and downs, and they cannot always be the best. Brasil is still and should always be considered a top football nation, the same with other nations that have won the World Cup in the past. I still consider Uruguay one of the best, even if they DID win a long time ago. It doesn't matter, they have proven themselves at the world stage. A biased idiot's opinion doesn't count there.
Teams also recover, even if it takes a long time. Some teams go under a long period of transition and development, until they find a successful style and discover good players. Uruguay is a perfect example, as they are resurging in the spotlight. Anyway, I'm tired of typing. I know Paolo_Rossi will just answer with something stupid and talk about putting sticks up his ass and telling me to do the same.
For the Brasilian supporters, and the Italians, please read this and think twice before posting against another nation please. It's getting old.
TeKNoS
From now on I will disregard Italy's World Cup wins, since Paolo_Rossi has convinced me that World Cups really don't mean a thing. I guess France isn't really the best then, since they won recently. Hell I guess their Euro trophy is also useless, since it doesn't mean a thing. Maybe now you see how utterly STUPID it is to say that a World Cup isn't the ultimate proof of skill and accomplishment or superiority to other nations.
All teams have their ups and downs, and they cannot always be the best. Brasil is still and should always be considered a top football nation, the same with other nations that have won the World Cup in the past. I still consider Uruguay one of the best, even if they DID win a long time ago. It doesn't matter, they have proven themselves at the world stage. A biased idiot's opinion doesn't count there.
Teams also recover, even if it takes a long time. Some teams go under a long period of transition and development, until they find a successful style and discover good players. Uruguay is a perfect example, as they are resurging in the spotlight. Anyway, I'm tired of typing. I know Paolo_Rossi will just answer with something stupid and talk about putting sticks up his ass and telling me to do the same.
For the Brasilian supporters, and the Italians, please read this and think twice before posting against another nation please. It's getting old.
TeKNoS
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Paolo_Rossi
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Teknos ,you have to stop defending Junhinio cause he always start these stupid argument .I never once said Brazil sucked ,I never said Brazil should be in last place in the ranking ,but on the other Junhinio keeps dissing the italian national team ,and calling them crap and how they didnt deserve to go in the final .Instead of pointing the finger to me ,you should point it at Junhinio .
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Juninhio
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Um pablo who posted this thread?? An Italian. Who posted how "Italy lost the match France didnt win" Italian.
You guys start it now im going to finish it.
You guys start it now im going to finish it.
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Paolo_Rossi
Guest
First of all ,it was italia no.1's oppinion and not mine or any other italian guy in this forum ,so stop accusing every italian .
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PolishPower
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I just gotta jump into this arguement.
1st off FIFA rankings are not made by any expert panel, they are made by a mathemathical formula. So stop saying there is some kind of consensus around the world Brasil is no 1.
Also didn't Brasil lose to Paraguay last month? In a World Cup qualifier? Didn't they lose to Mexico last year? Split the home and away series with Argentina last year? So yes Brasil does lose games...
Also this theory about how they didn't play their best in the final, the whole World Cup98 their didnt play their best! So if you consistenetly play not your best maybe you're just not as good as you think you are?
And finally I dont have a problem if you say Brasil is ONE of the best teams, but when you say they are THE best that tends to piss a lot of people off. They lost the World Cup(and lost it convincingly!), they have no bragging rights!
1st off FIFA rankings are not made by any expert panel, they are made by a mathemathical formula. So stop saying there is some kind of consensus around the world Brasil is no 1.
Also didn't Brasil lose to Paraguay last month? In a World Cup qualifier? Didn't they lose to Mexico last year? Split the home and away series with Argentina last year? So yes Brasil does lose games...
Also this theory about how they didn't play their best in the final, the whole World Cup98 their didnt play their best! So if you consistenetly play not your best maybe you're just not as good as you think you are?
And finally I dont have a problem if you say Brasil is ONE of the best teams, but when you say they are THE best that tends to piss a lot of people off. They lost the World Cup(and lost it convincingly!), they have no bragging rights!
Ruben Sosa
El Jovato
I might have missed something, but I never knew Italians and Brazilians hated each other so much. Where talking England Vs Argentina hate here...
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Bergyfan
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If your talkin about 98, at Le Tornoi Brazil, Italy, England, and France played a tournament.
Italy 3-3 Brazil
both of your defenses are crap and both of ur attackers are good.
END OF STORY!!!!
Italy 3-3 Brazil
both of your defenses are crap and both of ur attackers are good.
END OF STORY!!!!
Italia#1:
What I am pissed about is that YOU like to say that Italy deserves to win all the time, and that Euro 2000 wasn't won by France, but lost by Italy (which wasn't the case since Trezeguet and Wiltord wailed on Italy with two goals in good time), but you don't like it when people say that about Brasil. You and Paolo_Rossi refuse to believe that Brasil NEVER has a bad day, but YOUR national team does. It's a bunch of sh|t if you ask me, and I hate double standards. You need to grow up, and just like Paolo_Rossi said to the Brasilian supporters: Grow up and accept the fact that you lost to France.
TeKNoS
What I am pissed about is that YOU like to say that Italy deserves to win all the time, and that Euro 2000 wasn't won by France, but lost by Italy (which wasn't the case since Trezeguet and Wiltord wailed on Italy with two goals in good time), but you don't like it when people say that about Brasil. You and Paolo_Rossi refuse to believe that Brasil NEVER has a bad day, but YOUR national team does. It's a bunch of sh|t if you ask me, and I hate double standards. You need to grow up, and just like Paolo_Rossi said to the Brasilian supporters: Grow up and accept the fact that you lost to France.
TeKNoS
No cynicism intended here, but I just wanted some of you here to realize how much Brasilian players really are valued by Italian clubs. Just check out the lineup for Brasil's qualifier against Chile coming up, and their respective clubs:
Goalkeepers: Dida (AC Milan), Rogerio Ceni (Sao Paulo)
Defenders: Cafu (Roma), Evanilson (Borussia Dortmund), Beletti (Sao Paulo), Roberto Carlos (Real Madrid), Junior (Parma), Antonio Carlos (Roma), Roque Junior (Milan), Edmilson (Sao Paulo), Fabio Bilica (Venezia).
Midfielders: Emerson Ferreira (Roma), Djalminha (La Coruna), Marcos Assuncao (Roma), Alex (Parma), Rivaldo (Barcelona), Marcos Paulo (Cruzeiro), Ricardinho (Corinthians).
Forwards: Amoroso (Parma), Marques (Atletico Mineiro), Luizao (Corinthians)
Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world
From what I see, a good number of Brasilian players are playing on Italian clubs there...Interesting isn't it ? I guess they're really NOT THAT BAD, huh ?
TeKNoS
Goalkeepers: Dida (AC Milan), Rogerio Ceni (Sao Paulo)
Defenders: Cafu (Roma), Evanilson (Borussia Dortmund), Beletti (Sao Paulo), Roberto Carlos (Real Madrid), Junior (Parma), Antonio Carlos (Roma), Roque Junior (Milan), Edmilson (Sao Paulo), Fabio Bilica (Venezia).
Midfielders: Emerson Ferreira (Roma), Djalminha (La Coruna), Marcos Assuncao (Roma), Alex (Parma), Rivaldo (Barcelona), Marcos Paulo (Cruzeiro), Ricardinho (Corinthians).
Forwards: Amoroso (Parma), Marques (Atletico Mineiro), Luizao (Corinthians)
Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world
From what I see, a good number of Brasilian players are playing on Italian clubs there...Interesting isn't it ? I guess they're really NOT THAT BAD, huh ?
TeKNoS
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Juninhio
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What I am pissed about is that YOU like to say that Italy deserves to win all the time, and that Euro 2000 wasn't won by France, but lost by Italy (which wasn't the case since Trezeguet and Wiltord wailed on Italy with two goals in good time), but you don't like it when people say that about Brasil. You and Paolo_Rossi refuse to believe that Brasil NEVER has a bad day, but YOUR national team does. It's a bunch of sh|t if you ask me, and I hate double standards. You need to grow up, and just like Paolo_Rossi said to the Brasilian supporters: Grow up and accept the fact that you lost to France.
TeKNoS
My same sentiments. Brasil cant have a bad day Italy has a bad day every day.
And they deserved to lose in extra time. I watched the final again last night and at about the 80 min mark their players started diving acting hurt. When totti is subbed he walked like he had no life. They were fully deserving of the loss.
TeKNoS
My same sentiments. Brasil cant have a bad day Italy has a bad day every day.
And they deserved to lose in extra time. I watched the final again last night and at about the 80 min mark their players started diving acting hurt. When totti is subbed he walked like he had no life. They were fully deserving of the loss.