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HOW IS BRAZIL STILL #1 IN THE WORLD

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Paolo_Rossi

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Teknos ,what is your point of posting the brazilian national team ?I know they are good ,but have you noticed Italy has a good one with the new head coach of Giovanni Trappatoni.So Brazil have many players playing in Serie A ,so does Italy and all of them are regular starters .Here is the probable formation against Hungary for qualifyers.

Gk:F.Toldo(Fiorentina)
Defense:P.Maldini(Milan),A.Nesta(Lazio),F.Cannavaro(Parma),M.Iuliano(Juventus)
Midfield:F.Totti(Roma),G.Zambrotta(Juventus),S.Fiore(Udinese),D.Albertini(Milan)
Strikers:C.VIERI(Inter),A.Del Piero(Juventus)/M.Delvecchio(Roma)

Just the defense can prevent anyone from scoring ,3 out of 4 italian defensemen were in the euro2000 dream team plus Toldo ,Toldo is so big ,he can cover many angles and stop penalty shots unlike Pagliuca .And what about Vieri ,the man that Italy missed most ,this guy has the finishing in the world ,he may not have skills but he has tremendous shot power and accuracy .
 
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Juninhio

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We know Italy is good

"We dont post messages like Why is Italy in the top ten. They dont deserve it"

My favorite club is Inter Milan since the days of the German threesome Brehme Klinssman Matthaus.

Were just sick of people posting why Brasil is ranked so high as if there is no reason they deserve respect.

I mean look at the idiot that started this thread's name Italia#1.

Gee I wonder what he's trying to say with that handle. Yet I never say "HEY Italy is not number one change your handle"

Why the hell do you guys want Fifa to change their ranking system, man you must really really hate Brasil.
 
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Paolo_Rossi

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Junhinio ,Italia1 is entitled of his opinion ,but what he says does not reflect all italian people .
 

Edmundo22

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i admit that Italian's are very passionate about futebol, thats y their league has the most money in it - then they buy top international players to play in their league ...like Zidane , Ronaldo too many to mention..
It is now the stongest league in the world.. cos of all the international players it - and the way the italian's play "gotta win - no matter how ugly" means that it is the stongest leaue in da world.
Wat needs to be recognised is that altho it is the strongest league..the italian national team is playing catchup with the top futeballing nations like Brasil and France.

think about it
all the italian national players get to practice their league play on the best players in the world.. they get heaps of practice - paid by the italian league.
This considered ..the italians shud win everything if they are half as good as paolo rossi says - their talent mixed with being able to able to werk on beating the best players in the world on a weekly basis just goes to show how ordinary the italian national tean really are.
how may italians playing abroad compared with Brasil ??? no where near Brasil i bet,
it's no wonder Brasilian futebol has wonderful variety and talent
and the italian national team has to pool it's talent as a 10-man defensive wall ..cos they realise thats their only chance.
 

Edmundo22

Reserve Team
[sorry bout bad spelling last post]
i admit that Italian's are very passionate about futebol, thats y their league has the most money in it (and coz of their high price tag futebol industry) - then they buy top international players to play in their league ...like Zidane , Ronaldo too many to mention..
It is now the stongest league in the world.. cos of all the international players it - and the way the italian's play "gotta win - no matter how ugly" means that it is the stongest leaue in da world.
Wat needs to be recognised is that altho it is the strongest league..the italian national team is playing catchup with the top futeballing nations like Brasil and France.
think about it
all the italian national players get to practice their league play on the best players in the world.. they get heaps of practice - paid by the italian league.
This considered ..the italians shud win everything if they are half as good as paolo rossi says - their talent mixed with being able to werk on beating the best players in the world on a weekly basis just goes to show how ordinary the italian national tean really are.
how many italians playing abroad compared with Brasil ??? no where near Brasil i bet,
it's no wonder Brasilian futebol has wonderful variety and talent
and the italian national team has to pool it's talent as a 10-man defensive wall ..cos they realise thats their only chance.


 

Edmundo22

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[i shud get a spellchecker, shud be correct now
- also added a bit.]
i admit that Italian's are very passionate about futebol, thats y their league has the most money in it (and coz of their high price tag futebol industry) - then they buy top international players to play in their league ...like Zidane , Mijatovic, H Sukur, Salas, Ronaldo too many to mention..
It is now the stongest league in the world.. cos of all the international players it - and the way the Italian's play "gotta win - no matter how ugly" means that it is the strongest league in da world.
Wat needs to be recognised is that altho it is the strongest league..the italian national team is playing catchup with the top futeballing nations like Brasil and France.
think about it
all the italian national players get to practice their league play on the best players in the world.. they get heaps of practice - paid by the italian league.
This considered ..the italians shud win everything if they are half as good as paolo rossi says - their talent mixed with being able to werk on beating the best players in the world on a weekly basis just goes to show how ordinary the italian national tean really are.
Other nations do not get this level of practice on a weekly basis.
how many italians playing abroad compared with Brasil ??? no where near Brasil i bet,
it's no wonder Brasilian futebol has wonderful variety and talent
and the Italian national team has to pool it's talent as a 10-man defensive wall ..cos they realise thats their only chance.

 

Edmundo22

Reserve Team
[i shud get a spellchecker, shud be correct now
- also added a bit.]
i admit that Italian's are very passionate about futebol, thats y their league has the most money in it (and coz of their high price tag futebol industry) - then they buy top international players to play in their league ...like Zidane , Mijatovic, H Sukur, Salas, Ronaldo too many to mention..
It is now the stongest league in the world.. cos of all the international players it - and the way the Italian's play "gotta win - no matter how ugly" means that it is the strongest league in da world.
Wat needs to be recognised is that altho it is the strongest league..the italian national team is playing catchup with the top futeballing nations like Brasil and France.
think about it
all the italian national players get to practice their league play on the best players in the world.. they get heaps of practice - paid by the italian league.
This considered ..the italians shud win everything if they are half as good as paolo rossi says - their talent mixed with being able to werk on beating the best players in the world on a weekly basis just goes to show how ordinary the italian national tean really are.
Other nations do not get this level of practice on a weekly basis.
how many italians playing abroad compared with Brasil ??? no where near Brasil i bet,
it's no wonder Brasilian futebol has wonderful variety and talent
and the Italian national team has to pool it's talent as a 10-man defensive wall ..cos they realise thats their only chance.

 

TeKNoS

Youth Team
[Teknos ,what is your point of posting the brazilian national team ?]

I know your question was made with the intention of irritating me, but that's ok. You're the ignorant one, since you don't pay attention to what I really mean with my posts.

Anyway to answer your question: I posted the Brasilian national team so you could read the little words in the parentheses (e.g. [Roma], [Parma], [Milan], [Venezia]), yeah you know, Italian club team names. I wanted you to see how Italy doesn't consider Brasilian players as untalented or undeveloped, or "low-ranking," as you try to depict them. Don't make me give you a reading lesson again please.

You can deny that, and then say "I think Brasil is a good team, bla bla bla," but I've seen enough posts about Italian players being "twice the talent of Ronaldinho," and other crap to know better. I'm extremely annoyed already. If Italy's strikers were better (and I'm saying this carefully, since I know you'll cry and start posting against ME), Totti would score on a more frequent basis. I believe that both teams have great talent, but in different areas. I believe that Brasil is a good all-around team, and has an unusual defensive style, since the defenders become wingers and attack too, and they have a good, flowing midfield, with great strikers will good ball control up top. I believe Italy is a great defensive team, and they have the solid, strong defense that helps them win their games. I really haven't seen much action with their midfield, but I have seen the strikers in action, and I think they're very random, but definitely can score when given the opportunity. I've only seen one goal by Totti though, and that was off of a header. Del Piero, I won't even say a word.

Also, I'd like to clarify that I'm not defending Juninhio, because I don't like the way he instigates arguments as well, but I defend Brasil out of my own free will. There are two teams that I love to watch when they play, and will always support, and those are Mexico and Brasil. I support my national team because I am proud of the talent that they have shown during my time, and I support Brasil for their amazing ballwork and control, and loose, flowing style of play.

That is why I am offended when you and Italia#1 post crap about how they aren't good anymore, or don't deserve to be considered good, because I disagree. I've seen enough talent. I also do not like when Paolo_Rossi posts things such as "Brasil's World Cups don't matter, that it doesn't represent talent, etc." I'm also tired of hearing about how Italy was the better team in the 94 final, and that they should have won, and bla bla bla. I'm also tired of hearing that Brasil deserved to lose in France 98, and how Italy deserved to win in Euro 2000. If it were the case, I think CROATIA should have won 98, since it was their first time and they got far, only to lose dramatically in the semis. When a team goes that far, no one deserves to lose or win. It is the winning team's will and strength that pushes themselves to victory, no matter if it is on the field or in penalties. In penalties a team's integrity and mental strength is tested. There players have to think about their country, instead of always trying to score a pretty goal. That is why players like Baggio (shut the f*ck up, I'm telling you now before you say crap later), Raul, De Boer, etc. have missed in the past, because they either are not mentally strong enough to handle pressure, or make the mistake of overestimating their talent. Anyway, this post has become quite long. I think I've made my point.

TeKNoS
 
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Paolo_Rossi

Guest
Edmundo ,it show how ignorant you are .Clubs by many players around the world including italian best players .Why would Inter offer a big sum of money to Vieri ?Or why would Rome not sell Totti ?Why is Nesta and Cannavaro wanted by big clubs?Why hasnt Milan ever considered to sell Costacurta,Maldini and Albertini?Your point is useless .Serie A is the best league because it has all the players around the world ,not just south american ,but europeans and even africans .
 

Italia#1

Youth Team
teknos, it seems like that doesnt it. that i always think that italy deserves to win and not to lose, but i posted 1 post about EURO2000 which was pretty late, that i know to. how can you say that i always say that italy deserved to win, ive only did it ONCE.
not 3 or 5 times, if i did that then i would agree with you. and the fact that i mentioneed that brazil had a bad day was to reply to JUNINHIO who wouldnt stop rambling on about who knows what. and i didnt say they cant, i said the shouldnt have a bad day
because there ranked #1 in the world and where previously world champions. and i know that we did lose to france and i do except that, i just want to get others opinoions and i think i started a war.
 
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Juninhio

Guest
Lets look at facts

You posted a bull shit message about how France didnt beat Italy
You posted a bull shit message about
Why is Brasil # 1 (like it really effects you)
And your name is Italia#1
(Is that an oxy moron?)

I am offened by all three and will stick up for Brasil in any case because in my opinion Brasilia#1. France beat Italy and so on
 
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ForzaAzzurri

Guest
Teknos, stop inventing facts first of all. Nobody here is saying Brazil is not good anymore, I don't know where the hell you're coming up with these statements. And I personally couldn't care less who's ranked #1 in the world. The only thing that bothers me is when Juninhio starts rambling how Brazil is the best team in the world right now and that no other team can beat them when they play at their highest level. While I may agree with that statement, I also want to point out that there is a flaw in it. Brazil has not been playing their best (according to Juninhio's definition) for 2 years. Don't you think that means that they are just not that dominating anymore (right now, anyway)? The losses to Paraguay and Chile prove my point. It simply gets on my nerves that despite all these facts, the dissing and bashing of other teams compared to Brazil keeps going on and on. Brazilian fans may think what they want, and I respect their opinion, but keep it to yourself damn it! Most people, including me, won't agree with you, but you also shouldn't care, because after all that's only my opinion.
 

Italia#1

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im definitely stooping to juninhios level by saying, well at least italy came close to defeating france instead of losing 3-0,
and let me say this for you they had a bad day

[This message has been edited by Italia#1 (edited 08-16-2000).]
 
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Paolo_Rossi

Guest
hey Junhinio,werent you the one that said BrazilU21 would crush Italy's U21 ?And then you say why italians starts dissing the brazilian national .Junhinio,teknos and all brazilian supporters ,when did I ever say that brazil sucks or how dont have any good players no more?Do not invent any false statement .
 
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Juninhio

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Considering that they will be the two best teams, unless you think one of Kuwait US or Japan will figure, I wanted opinions. Pablo I said gee i wonder who will win. Then you started up.

Fact of the matter is that You forza azzurri Italia#1 all dont like Brasil whether you will admit it or not.

And forza_azzurri your right Brasil being #1 is my opinion and I will express it and I dont care if you think Wales are #1 if you express it dont expect it to keep me up at night.
 

Edmundo22

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paolo u missed my point - again
im not saying the serie A is the strongest team in the world cos sth americans are in it.
here is my point again:
Wat needs to be recognised is that altho it is the strongest league (serie A)..the italian national team is playing catchup with the top futeballing nations like Brasil and France.
think about it
all the italian national players get to practice their league play on the best players in the world.. they get heaps of practice - paid by the italian league.
This considered ..the italians shud win everything if they are half as good as paolo rossi says - their talent mixed with being able to werk on beating the best players in the world on a weekly basis just goes to show how ordinary the italian national tean really are.
Other nations do not get this level of practice on a weekly basis
 

Edmundo22

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i think italy's best young players shud play abroad .. they get put in serie A (ventola, pirlo, some midfielder i dont know) against the worlds best and they do ok .. but thats as much as they develop. they need to develop else where cos there are so many better players in serie A than them.
Thats y wen it comes to their national team they have to put 10 men in their own half to have a chance.

Im not paying out on Italy.. jus giving some italians a reality check.
 
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Paolo_Rossi

Guest
First of all ,its the foreigners that kill our players because the younger players dont get the chance to play like the young south americans,scandinavian countries and maybe even africans .But we have already a division to help youngsters like Serie B ,its not as tough as Serie A ,but how do u think guys like Vieri,Del Piero,Iuliano,Nesta,Cannavaro etc... all started ?Beleive me ,we have good youngsters that many of you dont know about ,probably because they dont get much of a chance with a big club ,but when they are on ,they are still dangerous ,remember Ventola who came out as a sub for Inter in the CL 2 years ago and score a big important goal or what about pirlo who led Reggina in goalscoring .But the next futur star will be Gianni Commandini who will play for Milan this year and will prove his worth since Bierhoff has slowed down and George Weah will probably leave .
 
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Juninhio

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Why is it Pablo that an Italian club would rather take a risk on a young foreign star than an Italian star?? Is there some conspiracy?
 


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