i know you started the thread dumbass, the point is if they have origin installed they already know. if you are playing 13 then you have origin installed & have read the agreement, so therefore they know. thats the problem w/ you people, never read anything & then act surprised when you find something out, open your eyes. -edit- this was discussed last year in the 12 forum, proof nobody pays attention or reads anything but how to get files for their game. we dont post just to post, there are reasons for it.