I just realized how much I appreciate English football

[Virgo]

Virgo, you are not citing the rules, you are citing what you think is true. The interpretations of the rules have changed over time as FIFA continue to try to protect stars from injury, but the rules have only slightly changed.

wrong again, http://www.fifa.com/en/media/index/0,1369,105502,00.html


btw I hate your f*cking mentality that you have can only enjoy the game with tackles like this and that you have to be a man and take those tackles and a player who gets injured in a dangerous play should just shut up because that's the game. If you think that's ok sorry you're not a man, you're a twat.

You should just stick with the NFL or watch Rugby if that's your vision of football.

 

[Dreath]

In England, at amatuer level a heavy tackle that gets the ball first, as long as studs aren't showing and he didn't jump into the tackle, is aknowledged as a good tackle because the ball is played. That's why players like Scott Parker, and more recently Owen Hargreaves are praised as being good midfielders they are fully commited, they don't harm people on purpse they just tackle. There is of course a risk. The Jimmy Bullard injury where he dislocated his knee was from a heavy challenge by Scotty Parker. It was a clean tackle but Bullard, who also went in got his knee caught. Bullard came out a few days after the match saying that he doesn't blame Scott Parker in the slgihtest because in his words "he got the ball cleanly" and this guy is just missing a year of his footballing career. It's the same to a lesser extent in France and Italy. Hell there are players in Spain, a country that is more technical than physical, to my knowledge have tough tacklers, Obuina (sp?) the Celta player, just got his first cap for Spain, is a hard tackling midfielder, and I for one would love Arsenal to sign him. You need a hard tackler or 3 to intimidate the opponents, you don't need to hurt them on purpose, just tell them you'll not back down.

I don't watch enough Portugese football, mainly due to the lack of coverage here, but surely there are hard tackling midfielders. And if it were against the rules as you so say, they'd be out of careers by now, or at least in the lower divisions where rules aren't followed as strictly.

Just because someone is injured doesn't meanit's a foul.

 

[Socrates]

I am fine with tackles as long as they are clean ( no studs showing, high tackles like Gerrard planting his studs into someones knees... I dont see why anyone should go for a tackle like that and etc ). Anyway, I was just disagreeing with the video posted in the first post.

 

[Dreath]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUvY5taPr5E

This compilation is awesome. Although there's one or two challenges which are a bit borderline, mainly due to jumping in. The first Puyol one is a bit dodgy, due to two footed and it being extremely lucky. All the rest are good tackles.

 

[Socrates]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUvY5taPr5E

This compilation is awesome. Although there's one or two challenges which are a bit borderline, mainly due to jumping in. The first Puyol one is a bit dodgy, due to two footed and it being extremely lucky. All the rest are good tackles.

For the most part it looked like good tackles, quite a bit of video of Ramos in there. Yea the Puyol one looked bad ( the one on Betis ).

 

[Fernandez]

Not worth a thread.

 

[theo]

Pff... I fractured my clavicula without realising after tackling a player, and still played with it like that 20 more minutes. Sorry to ruin your dance but I personally don't give a flying rat about the other player when going for a tackle, the ball is the main aim. What comes after is not my business.

 

[Virgo]

Pff... I fractured my clavicula without realising after tackling a player, and still played with it like that 20 more minutes. Sorry to ruin your dance but I personally don't give a flying rat about the other player when going for a tackle, the ball is the main aim. What comes after is not my business.

wow, i want your penis inside of me just because of that, what a man.

 

[Dreath]

wow, i want your penis inside of me just because of that, what a man.

 

[d3adly]

haha,

 

[Lean]

Callum - No defence eh? I did not see much of a defence on Boro...or even Arsenal for that matter. The Spanish game has more flair and creativity but by no means is the defence weaker because of it. Infact one could argue that the defence here has to been more tight or better because of that. I cant remember which team it was but I do remember watching a program with some English youth teams and how their coach was telling there were to take the dive and all...maybe I should say all the English are raised that way too...

Sorry man, but in my opinion defending in La Liga is laughable.

 

[Vinnie Jones]

Pff... I fractured my clavicula without realising after tackling a player, and still played with it like that 20 more minutes. Sorry to ruin your dance but I personally don't give a flying rat about the other player when going for a tackle, the ball is the main aim. What comes after is not my business.

Way to go guardian angel. And to answer Dreath, yes portuguese football has alot of those tackles, perhaps not with the Premiership intensity but the brazilian players that arrive here instantly start complaining about how ruff the tackles are. It´s hell to play on those smaller team´s stadiums.
Btw i´ve been playing football all my life and in a more competitive level in my Law School team for some years now in those Inner University competitions in real turf and everyone knows that there are limits in the intensity of your tackles. And this comes from someone who plays as center back and lacks speed and compensates this flaw with a decent positional sense. I can be very strong on my tackles but i always have in mind that i should respect the opponent and i don´t in any way intend to hurt my adversary. Kinda like Scott Parker. This kind of attitude that Se7en is displaying is school boy mentality from someone with no real experience playing the game. You never go with all your strenght in, imagine that something can go wrong? That he moves a split second faster and you miss the ball? You can end someone´s career and believe me even in my level i´ve seen a fair share of unfortunate injuries. You can intimidate without being a thug.

 

[Sevillista]

Oh how convenient it is to take a highlights reel and make sweeping generalizations about a league. If you guys weren't so pussywhipped by EPL soccer and actually bothered to follow La Liga closely this kind of ignorant thread wouldn't happen. And when I say follow La Liga, I mean beyond the showcased Madrid and Barca matches.

Should I make a topic like this?:
I just realized how much I appreciate Spanish soccer.
I watched a bunch of Blackburn and Newcastle games and god damn what a dirty league.
I watched a bunch of Liverpool matches and holy sh*t, all they do in the English league is lob the ball and try to get a head on it.
In conclusion, EPL sucks.

No, that'd be retarded. One match, or one team does not represent the league. Here are some stupendously stupid things I've heard in here:
-"La Liga defending is laughable." Do you want to back that up? Because I think you just made that up out of nowhere. In fact I'm sure of it. Watch a few matches, then try and make that statement again.
-"There's just more passion in English soccer than in Spanish soccer." Again, 100% bias, 0% fact. If you'd follow La Liga at all you'd see how passionate we are about our teams. Now I'll show you how to back a statement up. In the UEFA Cup last year between Sevilla and Middlesbrough, there were splitscreen shots of the crowds before the game. Sevilla fans sang for hours before the match while the Middlesbrough crowd mostly moseyed around waiting for the match to start. And in the stadium? The Sevilla chants drowned out those of the Middlesbrough fans. It wasn't even close. Another example: When Gimnastic de Tarragona ascended last year to Primera, incredible images were on the tv of this city with a relatively small populace absolutely packing the main avenue to celebrate. FC Barcelona, despite being a bandwagon team worldwide, still embodies a deeply entrenched passion and is a microcosm of the city's culture. I could go on, city by city. I could post video after video of overwhelming fan support. How can you possibly defend your statement?

Threads like this just piss me off. I enjoy La Liga much much more than I do the EPL. You know why? Because that's what I follow. I don't go bashing other leagues out of ignorance.

As for diving, diving happens everywhere. It happens more in La Liga than in EPL because the refs suck. Wanna make a thread about the reffing in La Liga? Go ahead, that could be an intelligent discussion. There are numerous numerous numerous examples that could back that up with a little viewing or research of La Liga.

Please excuse my structure. When I get upset I go on tangents.

 

[Jambo Den]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWO6Cm3OnIM

Go to 0:38 on that. That is the best tackle I have EVER seen in my life. You don't quite see how far away he was in the shot, but let me tell you, since I had a perfect view in the stadium of that tackle, the fact he got anywhere near the ball was absolutely outrageous. The quality isn't that clear, but Neilson clearly won the ball first.

 

[d3adly]

its EPL v La Liga in here

 

[ShiftyPowers]

wrong again, http://www.fifa.com/en/media/index/0,1369,105502,00.html


btw I hate your f*cking mentality that you have can only enjoy the game with tackles like this and that you have to be a man and take those tackles and a player who gets injured in a dangerous play should just shut up because that's the game. If you think that's ok sorry you're not a man, you're a twat.

You should just stick with the NFL or watch Rugby if that's your vision of football.

You either don't understand what I'm saying, or you need to get that operation so you can "officially" call yourself a man.

If I go in studs up and get an ankle, that's a foul and it's a card. If I go in high and get the other player's thigh with my foot, it's a foul. If I'm late and miss the ball and take out the player, it's a foul and likely a card.

There are hard clean tackles, you sir do not seem to concede this point and as a result you get the scorn of many people here. It is possible, like in that challenge on Joe Cole, to get the ball cleanly and take out the man.

Now, my attitude about guys whining to get a foul or card is completely seperate. I personally think that, even if you are fouled, you should get up and continue unless you are physically unable to do so. We've all gotten knocks that require the coach or trainer to come on and help us limp off the field, that happens. But I feel like if you can get up and continue, you get up and continue. I hate when guys fake injuries, or stay down with minor injuries that they can play through. It's stupid. But that argument is for a different thread because the acting occurs in every league.

When I was a kid, I was always told that if you are going shoulder to shoulder with a man, you are making a clean move. If you go shoulder to shoulder and knock the other guy to the ground, that's clean as long as you aren't jamming your elbow out or running directly into the guy to take him out. In some leagues, and some peoples' opinions this is not the case. If you fall and the other person had any hand in you falling, you deserve, you are ENTITLED, to a free kick. Get up pussy and play the game.

 

[Callum]

England was one of the teams with the lowest amount of yellow cards, yet basically everyone on our team is thug right virgo? Just watch John Terry, he tackles hard EVERY single time, Internationally, Champions league, and in the EPL, yet he gets very few yellow cards.

 

[d3adly]

virgo what are your thoughts on gatusso? in your opinion is he a thug?

 

[WilliamFAlmeida]

I think the EPL is produced A LOT BETTER than La Liga...the EPL games the fans are up close, the stadiums are always better lit, the pitch always seems greener,you can hear the fans better, and the production of the whole thing "seems" more professional. Thats why I think the EPL has a higher appeal imo

 

[Virgo]

You either don't understand what I'm saying, or you need to get that operation so you can "officially" call yourself a man.

If I go in studs up and get an ankle, that's a foul and it's a card. If I go in high and get the other player's thigh with my foot, it's a foul. If I'm late and miss the ball and take out the player, it's a foul and likely a card.

There are hard clean tackles, you sir do not seem to concede this point and as a result you get the scorn of many people here. It is possible, like in that challenge on Joe Cole, to get the ball cleanly and take out the man.

no need to get your vagina all fired up because of this, I'm not the one who makes the rules, complain to FIFA if you disagree with the laws of football.

I have conceded that there can be clean rough clean tackles, you must have chose to disregard it with your selective reading.

See I'll explain it again just for you, the difference here are two words: Likely and Potentially. This has close to nothing to do with tackling softer of harder

Potentially causing an injury comprehends pretty much any tackle and anything you do on a football field so no one's going to penalise that. I agree it's down to luck if you get injured here.

Likely to cause injury means there is a strong probability of causing an injury with a tackle even if you get the ball first. And this is what FIFA intends with the law which I have seen applied in England more than once.
Last year Cristiano Ronaldo was sent off in a play where he didn't even touch either the defender or the ball. As he could have done serious harm to the player if he touched him, given the violence of the tackle, he got a straight red.


As I said before if you disagree with this, email FIFA or something, just get off my back because I'm not the one who makes the rules.