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Join Me Today, I'm Declaring War On EA's FIFA!

Steve.Hyuga

Club Supporter
I've been playing Fifa for over two and a half years. I have owned Fifa 12 and Fifa 14. I was regularly on the Top 100 Seasons leaderboards on Fifa 12. 3 months after buying Fifa 14 (which was around 10 months ago) I discovered that little thing called FUT and I've never looked back. I currently own an all TotY/TotS team valued at over 100 million coins at current market price. I've never bought a pack using coins or points and I've never bought coins or players using real money. I acquired the team entirely by trading.

And after over 5000 games, 150 Seasons titles and a 2 to 1 win to lose ratio spread over 1500 games in FUT, my impression of the game has never changed.

FIFA IS AN ABSOLUTE PIECE OF GARBAGE!

The entire franchise is fundamentally flawed from the development stage all the way to the customer support because EA is doing what EA always does. Work for itself instead of its customers. We are the ones that have to tolerate all the bullshit it does because of its retarded company vision, its overwhelming lack of interest in what its customers think and its abhorrent incompetence to give us a genuinely worthwhile experience that satisfies us instead of frustrating us over and over again. And in consideration of all of this I have made a decision.

Now, when some people get to where I am right now, they typically either stop playing the game, defect to PES or just keep playing the damn thing (because at the end of the day, something is better than nothing). But me, I'm a little different. I'm not sure how many of you have gotten to this point but what I want is VENGEANCE! I want REVENGE! I want EA to experience the pain and suffering I've had to endure every time I lose a game because of their damn bullshit.

However, since EA is not a person, I'm going to have to do the only thing that will actually make them twitch in agony:

I'm going after their money!

And in order to accomplish that I will have to do something no one has attempted before. I'm going to create the best soccer simulation game ever to grace any platform.

For the past few weeks I have been redesigning and reconceptualizing the entire Ultimate Team experience. I've reworked everything from gameplay (A.I., handicap, refereeing), to player acquisition (packs, transfer market, championships), to servers (DNF's, unrecorded results, lag). Nearly everything is getting an overhaul. My goal for 3 years from now is to steal anywhere from one third to one half of Fifa's global market share and the only way I can do that is by creating a game that has what everyone loves about soccer simulation with none of EA's bullshit. An option that genuinely allows you to play and win on your own terms. With no artificial gameplay limits, no retarded A.I. and no shit servers. In other words, a game created by players, for players. No shareholders to worry about, no profit to care for. So what I'm saying is that if making and maintaining the best possible soccer simulation experience means the game never makes a profit then it'll never make a profit (not to be confused with making a loss)

But in order to accomplish that I'm going to need an army of passionate people that love soccer simulation and that want EA's Fifa to burn just as badly as I do. So if you love virtual soccer but hate that piece of garbage EA has shoved down your throat for years and years WAKE UP! The time for payback has come. The time to avenge the promotions you didn't get because of bad servers, the players you lost because of stuck piles, the money you wasted buying endless packs of garbage cards and the controllers, flat screens, furniture and walls you have destroyed just because you just can't take the bullshit anymore. Today is the day it begins, today is the day we fight back. Join me in this endeavor and reclaim your sanity, your dignity and your love for virtual soccer.

So to all those that have already given up hope, don't! I will need massive amounts of help and everyone's input and assistance is going to be necessary. It's going to take lots of money, lots of time and lots of brains to pull this off, so if this manifesto speaks to you, hang in there!

And if you are one of those people that genuinely believe Fifa is a good or even a decent game, OPEN YOUR EYES!!! Go look in the mirror. Years of years of having to keep up with EA's bullshit have made you numb to the fact that... YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED! A good game doesn't frustrate you the way Fifa does. A good game doesn't prevent you from winning because of made believe rules that have nothing to do with realism and everything to do with taking more money from you. A good game doesn't make you lose because of faults within the games own parameters. And for fucks sake a good game doesn't record a defeat and then blame YOU, right after you won the match you needed to get a promotion (specially when it was the last match of the season). With that being said, it's up to you to continue being in denial state or not.

Now, if you are one of those people that is wondering what can you do to help, I appreciate it. For the next couple of weeks my two primary goals are to assemble the core team and to get some non-game development related assistance I will be needing in order to plan my next move and start spreading the word about the project.

To elaborate a little on both goals, the core team will be the group of people that want to be fully involved from the ground up and will be willing to assist me with their resources, time and expertise to advance this project as quickly and efficiently as possible. So if you feel this is something you want to be a part of or just want to see Fifa burn (or both) send me an email to steve.hyuga(at)outlook(dot)com with some information on yourself and what you can bring to the table and I'll get back to you to discuss your involvement.

As for the second goal, I'm looking for expert help in the following fields

Legal:

Lawyer from U.K. To explain U.K. licensing and I.P. laws related to Fifa and football clubs.
Lawyer from Germany. To explain german licensing and I.P. laws related to Fifa and football clubs.
European lawyers from any country where Fifa has a licensed league. To find out what are the licensing agreements and costs of acquiring the football league(s) license.

Note: I'm giving special attention to Germany and the U.K. primarily because that's where EA has exclusive league licenses.

Servers expert. From what I recall, Fifa has at least a couple mayor server related issues which would be unrecorded games and bots. I need as much information as possible on what exactly are the issues on both fronts in order to create solutions for them (presuming its not merely an implementation fix which I wouldn't be surprised at all considering EA's track record)

Marketing

Kickass Video Maker. I intend to make video advertising the primary form of spreading the word about the project (An important part of the marketing campaign I've developed to promote it utilizes video) so I'm looking for a creative and talented video maker to handle that part.

And to everyone else:

If you don't have any of the skills I specified but want to help, just send me an email to steve.hyuga(at)outlook(dot)com letting me know what you can do (no matter how small it may seem) and I'll get back to you. As I said, it's going to take an army to pull this off and you'll never know how you can be useful unless you get in touch. I just need you to let me know if you are offering to volunteer or you would like to be a part of the core team.

Overall, Fifa is the best selling sports franchise in the world and makes EA a profit of over $500 million per year between game sales and digital content according to the small amount of information available online on the subject. Despite that, year after year they sell us the exact same half baked, bug-filled, frustration guaranteed, piece of garbage their flashy ads filled with false advertising convince us to buy. I'm willing to take them on and I know I can beat them but it's not something I can do alone. Whose with me?

I'll be answering questions now.
 

campeador

Reserve Team
"I've reworked everything from gameplay (A.I., handicap, refereeing) (1), to player acquisition (packs, transfer market, championships), to servers (DNF's, unrecorded results, lag). Nearly everything is getting an overhaul. My goal for 3 years from now is to steal anywhere from one third to one half of Fifa's global market share and the only way I can do that is by creating a game that has what everyone loves about soccer simulation with none of EA's bullshit. An option that genuinely allows you to play and win on your own terms. With no artificial gameplay limits, no retarded A.I. and no shit servers. In other words, a game created by players, for players. No shareholders to worry about, no profit to care for. So what I'm saying is that if making and maintaining the best possible soccer simulation experience means the game never makes a profit then it'll never make a profit (not to be confused with making a loss).."

1)Can you provide some proves regarding your "new reworked gameplay"? You started to work or is an intention for a future project?
 

Steve.Hyuga

Club Supporter
This would qualify as a current project, although what I've done so far has less to do with the actual development and more to do with the game logic. I intend this game to be a well funded, AAA level development. Not some indie level hobbie, I work on every once in a while.
 

Foxyf76

Senior Squad
Quite an optimistic project here. May I say that your issues are with ultimate team here. Ultimate team is purposely made to play arcade-like, fast paced soccer. Offline Fifa plays a bit differently, and with the use of .ini files can be made into a much better game. So what are you actually looking to achieve? A better online experience or a better game as a whole?
 

regularcat

Manager
Moderator
this is something i could possibly interested in but i don't play online for the reasons
you stated and it bores me.

if this same idea could also be implemented in to a career mode then i would partake in it.
 

Steve.Hyuga

Club Supporter
Foxyf76;3774877 said:
Quite an optimistic project here. May I say that your issues are with ultimate team here. Ultimate team is purposely made to play arcade-like, fast paced soccer. Offline Fifa plays a bit differently, and with the use of .ini files can be made into a much better game. So what are you actually looking to achieve? A better online experience or a better game as a whole?

Thanks for your feedback. I mastered online Seasons in Fifa 12 and I was getting trophies consistently during the time I played it in Fifa 14 (I actually decided to give it another shot a few weeks ago to see how it went and I won another division 1 trophy on the season I played). I'm well aware of the difference between FUT and a mode like Seasons and neither of them even comes close to being satisfactory as far as gameplay, realism and performance so you can definitely say I'm going for a better game as a whole. In my game, for example, there won't be any difference between Seasons and FUT if we are talking about gameplay.

And as far as improving the game through modding, I play on console and in general I shouldn't have to mod a game to get a decent performance. It's not about me getting a better performing game. I want everyone to be able to enjoy that experience (and bleed EA Sports out, drop by drop in the process)
 

Steve.Hyuga

Club Supporter
regularcat;3774885 said:
this is something i could possibly interested in but i don't play online for the reasons
you stated and it bores me.

if this same idea could also be implemented in to a career mode then i would partake in it.

Could you give me some more information about what you feel you could bring to the table? I would like to find out more about what do you think you could contribute if that's ok.

P.S. It's fine if you want to respond to this via private message. I don't mind either way.
 

Foxyf76

Senior Squad
Okay, sounds interesting. Do you have any experience/background in these sorts of things like modding etc?
 

Steve.Hyuga

Club Supporter
Foxyf76;3775237 said:
Okay, sounds interesting. Do you have any experience/background in these sorts of things like modding etc?

Absolutely none. I've never developed a game and I have no programming skills. That being said, I've made important progress on detailing improvements on the logic behind the games functioning as well as modifying and improving gameplay (very different from how Fifa does it as far as I can tell; much better as well) .

I'm also working on half a dozen methods to create brand new graphics for my game (the graphics I'm going for are the equivalent of the leap between the PS3 graphics for Fifa 14 and the PS4 graphics for Fifa 15 plus a bit more) without overdoing the limitations of the current console generation. I've also created a few funding strategies to generate the capital needed for development, licenses and marketing. And I've done all the things I mentioned on this paragraph on the research I've done in the past week. I still need to cover servers (to stop bots and non-existent defeats) and I also need to determine what country should I be setting the studio in to get the lowest possible corporate tax rate.

Let me know if you have any more questions.
 

Halal Pork Chop

Club Supporter
Steve,

I would cease public anouncements as soon as is practicable, as EA monitor forums like this. Just friendly advice.
Go Forth Sir....
Feel free to PM me.
 

Steve.Hyuga

Club Supporter
Halal Pork Chop;3777201 said:
Steve,

I would cease public anouncements as soon as is practicable, as EA monitor forums like this. Just friendly advice.
Go Forth Sir....
Feel free to PM me.

Appreciate the warning but I'm also a prudent guy. I wouldn't disclose anything I wouldn't want EA to know about my project. Thanks for the support.
 

bangus

Starting XI
Halal Pork Chop;3777201 said:
I would cease public anouncements as soon as is practicable, as EA monitor forums like this. Just friendly advice.
Yes, EA is sweating bullets that a couple of gamers on some random internet chat site are dissatisfied with their game.

Some of you need to lay off the conspiracy theory kool-aid, lol.

On a side note, quite the coincidence that "Halal" and "Hyuga" both joined the forum this past month, and that both happened to start their own philosophical rant threads pertaining to "crap FIFA and the demise of EA." This could be bigger than Jobs and Wozniak!

...
 

Steve.Hyuga

Club Supporter
bangus;3777624 said:
Yes, EA is sweating bullets that a couple of gamers on some random internet chat site are dissatisfied with their game.

Some of you need to lay off the conspiracy theory kool-aid and maybe get a hobby.

On a side note, quite the coincidence that "Halal" and "Hyuga" both joined the forum this past week or so, and that both happened to start their own philosophical rant threads pertaining to the "demise of EA." Hmm...

...

Didn't know Halal had a thread. Thanks for pointing it out. I'll go check it now.
 

bangus

Starting XI
How about 15 million purchasing and 10 million pirating? Whatever, FIFA sales are in the 10+ millions on all platforms. And growing every year.

Anyway, FIFA is a POS game without mods, yes: always has been, always will since EA designs all their sports games for the arcade-gaming pre-pubescent/teeny-bopper online crowd. This is why everyone here plays FIFA on the PC. Mods improve the game 500%. Do yourself a favor and save yourself some work: ditch your console, buy a half-decent PC, install the GP mods from this site and presto... all your FIFA headaches solved just like that.

...
 

matthewjohn1985

Club Supporter
i'm sorry but your'e deluded if you think you can even take on or rival EA over their sponsor and license deals or anything else unless you have at least 10 million start up money and know what your doing.

Don't you think konami would of pulled their finger out by now if it was that easy to change the tide? that's why they just except the CL and EL rights as they know they would get pissed all over if they went for the big one's, Also this is why pes has gone for gameplay but i'm switching to fifa after 2 months with pes again like last year. Because it has no longevity through the year and i'm seeing the depth is not there and the gameplay just isn't enough.
 

Halal Pork Chop

Club Supporter
Bang Us.
I will refrain from the obvious invite you offer with your name..lol.
However, WOW, i just re read your earlier post ...
Gob smacked is an understatement.
So within one calender month, it's a matter of ' conspiracy ' that 2 people are annoyed with the current Fifa.... Er... ( Scratching my nuts here ..)
Are you serious ?
How many people join this site every day ?
WOOOW.. you need to change your dealer, that's something evil you are smoking... Para.. Para... Paranoia....
Just two dudes i guess, expressing a similar opinion...
Hey, it's not that rare...
Btw, you don't work for EA do you....?
=))
 

Steve.Hyuga

Club Supporter
Join Me Today, I'm Declaring War On EA's FIFA! - Update 1

Hello Everyone,

It has been over a month since I released my manifesto and I think it's about time I update those of you that were interested in my project with details on what's been going on, where I am at the moment and what are my upcoming plans to turn this endeavor into a success. First of all, for those of you that don't know what I'm talking about this is the link to the post I created a few weeks ago http://www.soccergaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191539

To sum my post up, after playing Fifa for several years I've grown tired of all the bullshit in the game (specially in FUT) and I've decided to create my own football simulation game for console. My plan is to create a game that has everything we all love about football simulation with none of EA's crap. A game that is good enough to replace Fifa as the best selling sports game title within 3 years (give or take). In order to accomplish that, I am going to need lots of help so I am looking for anyone that is interested in contributing their time and skills to the the cause (not looking for money at the moment)

As you can tell from the comments on the thread most people think I'm crazy but that doesn't bother me since they have no idea what I'm capable of. I'm going to say this for the sake of perspective but what I intend to do to EA with this project, is something I plan to do to much larger companies during my entrepreneurial career so I consider this as a warm up for those upcoming enterprises.

So now that we are all on the same page, let me begin with the update.

Well, first of all I'm still looking for people with game development expertise to become part of the core team. The core team is going to be the group of people that are genuinely interested in the success of this venture and would work 1 on 1 with me to make things happen. I'm not saying I'm looking for people willing to quit their jobs or anything of the sort but simply those of you who can put time aside to help me piece things together quickly, so the project moves forward with as few delays as possible.

I do want to point that as far as the game development part of the project this is not a hobby to me and I am not looking for someone to actually help me with creating the game (i.e. programming, art, music etc). I will be setting up a studio to accomplish that and will probably outsource a portion of the work that the development process entails. What I am looking for right now is for people with game development skills to help me figure out how the technical aspects of what I am aiming to create would work so I can make projections of how much time each aspect would take, how many people I'll need to hire and how much money would the development cost. I would also like to be able to bounce ideas of features and improvements with them because among the things I've learned from the research I've been doing for the past couple of months, many different people like football simulators for many different reasons so the idea of having a game solely modeled on what I believe the game should be, would be pretty senseless.

Anybody who would like to apply to become part of the core team can send me an email to steve.hyuga(at)outlook(dot)com and I will be getting back to you to discuss your potential involvement.

Now as far as the course of action for the next 3-6 months, I intend to do work on 3 things.

1. Liquidate my assets to focus on building working capital

2. Create a GDD

3. Set up a crowdfunding campaign to capitalize the first development stage

To elaborate a little:

1. Liquidate my assets to focus on building working capital

I'm in my mid twenties and to put it simply, people with my capabilities tend to have 7 to 8 figures worth of assets at this stage (if they are working for themselves, which I am). The problem is I have been nowhere near as dilligent when it comes to the wonderful art of multiplying money. Truth be told money for the sake of money doesn't motivate me that much and I've let the past few years drift away without building anything of real value. I own an online business that generates good returns (considering I only work a few hours a week) but in order to succeed with this project, I'm going to need to get my financial situation in order, so I'm going to tidy up my operation and hopefully sell it within the next few months. I'll use the proceeds as capital and re-invest it on something that will grow quickly and generate high returns (probably one of my business ideas). That way I'll be able to tackle this project without having to worry about petty things.

2. Create a GDD

For those of you that aren't familiar with game development a GDD (which stands for Game Design Document) is a document that contains all the specifications of how a game will work and what it will contain. While I have made considerable progress detailing many of the features and improvements my game will have, as I mentioned earlier it would be pretty senseless if the game was created according only to how I think it should be, which is why I am planning to wait until I've been able to assemble the core team to have the full document written. There should be ample time to accomplish this within the intended timeframe.

3. Set up a crowdfunding campaign to capitalize the first development stage

I'm fairly certain there have to be a few million of us sick and tired of EA's blatant inability to provide us with a worthwhile football experience which is why intend to create a crowdfunding campaign to fund the initial development stage. I'm pretty sure people tired of spending tens if not hundreds of dollars, pounds and euros on worthless packs every year will be willing to divert some of that spending to be able to get a genuinely satisfying football game. I have already some good concepts for the video and I hope to find a good video editor and hopefully will get help from you guys to spread the word once the campaign is launched.

In addition to the core team, I am also looking for people with expertise in the following fields

Legal:

Lawyer from U.K. To explain U.K. licensing and I.P. laws related to Fifa and football clubs.
Lawyer from Germany. To explain german licensing and I.P. laws related to Fifa and football clubs.
European lawyers from any country where Fifa has a licensed league. To find out what are the licensing agreements and costs of acquiring the football league(s) license.

Note: I'm giving special attention to Germany and the U.K. primarily because that's where EA has exclusive league licenses.

Servers expert. From what I recall, Fifa has at least a couple mayor server related issues which would be unrecorded games and bots. I need as much information as possible on what exactly are the issues on both fronts in order to create solutions for them (presuming its not merely an implementation fix which I wouldn't be surprised at all considering EA's track record)

Marketing

Kickass Video Maker. I intend to make video advertising the primary form of spreading the word about the project (An important part of the marketing campaign I've developed to promote it utilizes video) so I'm looking for a creative and talented video maker to handle that part.

And to everyone else:

If you don't have any of the skills I specified but want to help, just send me an email to steve.hyuga(at)outlook(dot)com letting me know what you can do (no matter how small it may seem) and I'll get back to you. As I said, it's going to take an army to pull this off and you'll never know how you can be useful unless you get in touch. I just need you to let me know if you are offering to volunteer or you would like to be a part of the core team.

Overall, Fifa is the best selling sports franchise in the world and makes EA a profit of over $500 million per year between game sales and digital content according to the small amount of information available online on the subject. Despite that, year after year they sell us the exact same half baked, bug-filled, frustration guaranteed, piece of garbage their flashy ads filled with false advertising convince us to buy. I'm willing to take them on and I know I can beat them but it's not something I can do alone. So once again I ask: Whose with me?

I'll be answering questions now.
 


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