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Juventus FC: THE RETURN [2007/2008]
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Secco: Alex could leave Tuesday 2 October, 2007
Juventus captain Alessandro Del Piero’s future is up in the air after Bianconeri sporting director Alessio Secco surprisingly revealed he could leave.
The 32-year-old talisman had been expected to commit the remainder of his career to Juve this summer, but contract extension talks met with unexpected hitches.
While Pavel Nedved, Mauro Camoranesi and even David Trezeguet agreed deals, Del Piero’s talks have already broken down once and seem to have hit a brick wall.
Reports suggest that the Old Lady are only willing to offer Pinturricchio a three-year deal with a reduction in salary of nearly 30 per cent, while the Azzurri forward is unwilling to accept less than his current wage.
It had generally been assumed that an agreement would be reached within the next few days as Del Piero’s agent – brother Stefano – is talking to representatives, but for the first time the club has admitted that he could leave.
“There is no need to talk about what Del Piero means to us, but there is a risk that we could lose him,” Secco admitted.
“But we are doing everything we can and we want to find an agreement. All parties want to come to an arrangement.”
Talk of Alex’s disquiet has even started speculation that Ukrainian side Shakhtar Donetsk may swoop to add the ex-Padova man to former Livorno hero Cristiano Lucarelli up front.
Sources suggest that the Kroty would be willing to put a contract on the table that would net Del Piero over £2m per year.
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what an amateur secco is
Juventus captain Alessandro Del Piero’s future is up in the air after Bianconeri sporting director Alessio Secco surprisingly revealed he could leave.
The 32-year-old talisman had been expected to commit the remainder of his career to Juve this summer, but contract extension talks met with unexpected hitches.
While Pavel Nedved, Mauro Camoranesi and even David Trezeguet agreed deals, Del Piero’s talks have already broken down once and seem to have hit a brick wall.
Reports suggest that the Old Lady are only willing to offer Pinturricchio a three-year deal with a reduction in salary of nearly 30 per cent, while the Azzurri forward is unwilling to accept less than his current wage.
It had generally been assumed that an agreement would be reached within the next few days as Del Piero’s agent – brother Stefano – is talking to representatives, but for the first time the club has admitted that he could leave.
“There is no need to talk about what Del Piero means to us, but there is a risk that we could lose him,” Secco admitted.
“But we are doing everything we can and we want to find an agreement. All parties want to come to an arrangement.”
Talk of Alex’s disquiet has even started speculation that Ukrainian side Shakhtar Donetsk may swoop to add the ex-Padova man to former Livorno hero Cristiano Lucarelli up front.
Sources suggest that the Kroty would be willing to put a contract on the table that would net Del Piero over £2m per year.
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what an amateur secco is
mark77
Transfer Guru
man this thread is starting to become like the Milan thread. It's getting lonely in here. 
anyway, nothing to say much but I found this article interesting and thought I should post it here just for fun.
09/10/2007 17:46
Juventus 'Deserve A Voice As Well...'
Giuseppe Solinas writes: "As a member of numerous soccer forums I feel compelled to tell you that Goal.com is widely considered to be an anti-Juve platform. I'm not sure if that is the public opinion desired at Goal.com but in the spirit of journalistic objectivity I feel it is only fair to publish this editorial. Juventus' fanbase deserve a voice as well."
Goal.com would like to point out that it is neither pro nor anti any particular club, and that its journalists seek to be objective irrespective of their own club loyalties, which cover a broad spectrum (including Juventus). That said, we are happy to publish Giuseppe's article on perceived media bias against the Old Lady...
As a naturally inquisitive soccer fan I find it incomprehensible how limited certain fans can be. We are into the 7th matchday of Serie A and controversy has plagued the league already. It seems a certain soccer powerhouse cannot earn so much as a draw without being attacked by rival supporters.
The first element of confusion that still dumbfounds me is the idea (by now shared by very few) that Juventus were actually caught match fixing and sent to Serie B for that purpose. The actual Calciopoli sentence from the federal courts can be viewed by anyone on the FIGC's official website in the archive section where such a notion is completely dismantled by statements like:
- Pg 74-75 there was no "cupola" or "Moggi System"
- Pg 76 no proof article 6 violations (match fixing) against Juventus
- Pg 83 referee selections were done in accordance with the rules of the FIGC
- Pg 101 the yellow cards were not organized.
- Pg 61 states that Juventus was not responsible for the salvation of Fiorentina after the De Santis-influenced game between Lecce and Parma that finished in a tie allowing the Viola to survive in Serie A
This is the tip of the iceberg and I encourage anyone interested to view the sentence for themselves and email [email protected] for further information including obtaining actual wiretaps and legal documents from the trial.
That is the past however. Looking at the present is just as puzzling. In the first 7 games of the Serie A season Juventus won two games by substantial margins (Livorno 5-1 and Reggina 4-0) and no slander appeared in the papers following the performances. The other game oddly left untouched by the media was Juventus's 1-0 loss to Udinese. All else has been the subject of criticism and constant attacks.
It astounds me that to even the most uninformed calcio fan, it seems possible that Juventus could be corrupting the system. Let's assume for the sake of argument that Juventus were cheaters in Calciopoli instead of cheated. After, we saw the player roster almost entirely changed, the coach changed, the financial situation changed, the managers changed, the referee designers changed as did the FIGC directors.
How could Juventus possibly have the capability of influencing anything? It also needs to be stated that Calciopoli cost Juventus nearly a quarter of a billion Euros; it seems highly illogical that upon their return to the top flight they would try to condition referees.
This has not stopped the Anti-Juventino population from carrying on the same tune we've all grown a little tired of. Well, let's look at what hasn't changed. Juventus have done well to take points off of favorites like Roma and Fiorentina. Juventus have positioned themselves comfortably in 2nd place. A Juventus striker has even positioned himself as the league's leading goal scorer. Just like before, Juve are doing well despite being in a rebuilding phase with numerous injuries. Another thing that hasn't changed is the media structure in Italy which has its base in the city of Milano.
It should come as no surprise that once again, the combination of Juventus doing well and the press having its base and ownership in direct unison with rival teams has led to a whole new season of the "same old excuses".
Astonishingly Juventus and her fans found themselves in a position of self defense in certain cases where being the accusers would have been more logical. Against Cagliari referee Farina called 3 very generous penalties against Juventus (with one finally overturned). Juventus nonetheless won 3-2 and were accused of benefitting from referee assistance after a Trezeguet
goal was allowed to stand. All replays showed an onside goal. No one questioned the penalties however.
Against Roma, Juventus were accused of referee favoritism again. Apparently, Nedved simulated for a penalty that was never scored (replays showed both leg contact and a push). Numerous offside calls were also contested by Roma and the press but what was cleverly not contested was the Roma offside that the referee allowed leading to a Totti goal.
Against Torino Trezeguet scored a goal that was again the subject of "offside" criticism. No one informed the press and Toro management of the pass back rule. Thankfully referee designer Collina clarified the issue. After all, managers can't just re-write the rules of the sport when they lose.
Against Fiorentina the team was again subjected to accusations. Iaquinta's goal was invalid according to critics based on Trezeguet's offside position. Though Trezeguet was in an offside position, FIFA rules dictate that unless Trezeguet was in direct obstruction of goalkeeper Frey, his position could not be penalized. All replays show Iaquinta's goal go in on the far side
while Frey was positioned wrongfully on the near side of the net rendering Trezeguet's position absolutely meaningless. With or without David's run, Frey would not have been capable of stopping the shot based on his position not Trezeguet's (which may be why he didn't even attempt a save).
That didn't stop the media parade from printing countless articles regarding the goal. The press did however succeed in distracting the public from the other episode in the game. Mutu leveled the game thanks to yet another generous penalty against the "Old Lady" in the 88th minute. Though arm contact cannot be disputed, FIFA rules require demonstration of deliberate
intent to award a penalty. Replays show that Legrotaglie's arms made no motion towards the ball and distance between the defender and Vieri did not allow Legrotaglie enough time to react and avoid the contact. A soft penalty to say the least.
Amazingly the two denied penalty shots against Udinese failed to meet the editor's approval for print. Similarly the disallowed Iaquinta equalizer (same game) for a foul by Del Piero meters away from the play didn't make the cut either. A trend can be noted and those who need to buy into the excuses are not about to relinquish their crutch.
Unfortunately it has become apparent that every game that results in a Juventus draw or narrow victory will be followed by a week's worth of accusations and excuses which says a lot for sportsmanship and humility in the calcio world. Worse yet is the fact that no matter how many decisions wrongfully go against Juventus neither the team nor the fans will likely find a platform to express discontent. Maybe objectivity is better suited for other sports.
Giuseppe Solinas
anyway, nothing to say much but I found this article interesting and thought I should post it here just for fun.
09/10/2007 17:46
Juventus 'Deserve A Voice As Well...'
Giuseppe Solinas writes: "As a member of numerous soccer forums I feel compelled to tell you that Goal.com is widely considered to be an anti-Juve platform. I'm not sure if that is the public opinion desired at Goal.com but in the spirit of journalistic objectivity I feel it is only fair to publish this editorial. Juventus' fanbase deserve a voice as well."
Goal.com would like to point out that it is neither pro nor anti any particular club, and that its journalists seek to be objective irrespective of their own club loyalties, which cover a broad spectrum (including Juventus). That said, we are happy to publish Giuseppe's article on perceived media bias against the Old Lady...
As a naturally inquisitive soccer fan I find it incomprehensible how limited certain fans can be. We are into the 7th matchday of Serie A and controversy has plagued the league already. It seems a certain soccer powerhouse cannot earn so much as a draw without being attacked by rival supporters.
The first element of confusion that still dumbfounds me is the idea (by now shared by very few) that Juventus were actually caught match fixing and sent to Serie B for that purpose. The actual Calciopoli sentence from the federal courts can be viewed by anyone on the FIGC's official website in the archive section where such a notion is completely dismantled by statements like:
- Pg 74-75 there was no "cupola" or "Moggi System"
- Pg 76 no proof article 6 violations (match fixing) against Juventus
- Pg 83 referee selections were done in accordance with the rules of the FIGC
- Pg 101 the yellow cards were not organized.
- Pg 61 states that Juventus was not responsible for the salvation of Fiorentina after the De Santis-influenced game between Lecce and Parma that finished in a tie allowing the Viola to survive in Serie A
This is the tip of the iceberg and I encourage anyone interested to view the sentence for themselves and email [email protected] for further information including obtaining actual wiretaps and legal documents from the trial.
That is the past however. Looking at the present is just as puzzling. In the first 7 games of the Serie A season Juventus won two games by substantial margins (Livorno 5-1 and Reggina 4-0) and no slander appeared in the papers following the performances. The other game oddly left untouched by the media was Juventus's 1-0 loss to Udinese. All else has been the subject of criticism and constant attacks.
It astounds me that to even the most uninformed calcio fan, it seems possible that Juventus could be corrupting the system. Let's assume for the sake of argument that Juventus were cheaters in Calciopoli instead of cheated. After, we saw the player roster almost entirely changed, the coach changed, the financial situation changed, the managers changed, the referee designers changed as did the FIGC directors.
How could Juventus possibly have the capability of influencing anything? It also needs to be stated that Calciopoli cost Juventus nearly a quarter of a billion Euros; it seems highly illogical that upon their return to the top flight they would try to condition referees.
This has not stopped the Anti-Juventino population from carrying on the same tune we've all grown a little tired of. Well, let's look at what hasn't changed. Juventus have done well to take points off of favorites like Roma and Fiorentina. Juventus have positioned themselves comfortably in 2nd place. A Juventus striker has even positioned himself as the league's leading goal scorer. Just like before, Juve are doing well despite being in a rebuilding phase with numerous injuries. Another thing that hasn't changed is the media structure in Italy which has its base in the city of Milano.
It should come as no surprise that once again, the combination of Juventus doing well and the press having its base and ownership in direct unison with rival teams has led to a whole new season of the "same old excuses".
Astonishingly Juventus and her fans found themselves in a position of self defense in certain cases where being the accusers would have been more logical. Against Cagliari referee Farina called 3 very generous penalties against Juventus (with one finally overturned). Juventus nonetheless won 3-2 and were accused of benefitting from referee assistance after a Trezeguet
goal was allowed to stand. All replays showed an onside goal. No one questioned the penalties however.
Against Roma, Juventus were accused of referee favoritism again. Apparently, Nedved simulated for a penalty that was never scored (replays showed both leg contact and a push). Numerous offside calls were also contested by Roma and the press but what was cleverly not contested was the Roma offside that the referee allowed leading to a Totti goal.
Against Torino Trezeguet scored a goal that was again the subject of "offside" criticism. No one informed the press and Toro management of the pass back rule. Thankfully referee designer Collina clarified the issue. After all, managers can't just re-write the rules of the sport when they lose.
Against Fiorentina the team was again subjected to accusations. Iaquinta's goal was invalid according to critics based on Trezeguet's offside position. Though Trezeguet was in an offside position, FIFA rules dictate that unless Trezeguet was in direct obstruction of goalkeeper Frey, his position could not be penalized. All replays show Iaquinta's goal go in on the far side
while Frey was positioned wrongfully on the near side of the net rendering Trezeguet's position absolutely meaningless. With or without David's run, Frey would not have been capable of stopping the shot based on his position not Trezeguet's (which may be why he didn't even attempt a save).
That didn't stop the media parade from printing countless articles regarding the goal. The press did however succeed in distracting the public from the other episode in the game. Mutu leveled the game thanks to yet another generous penalty against the "Old Lady" in the 88th minute. Though arm contact cannot be disputed, FIFA rules require demonstration of deliberate
intent to award a penalty. Replays show that Legrotaglie's arms made no motion towards the ball and distance between the defender and Vieri did not allow Legrotaglie enough time to react and avoid the contact. A soft penalty to say the least.
Amazingly the two denied penalty shots against Udinese failed to meet the editor's approval for print. Similarly the disallowed Iaquinta equalizer (same game) for a foul by Del Piero meters away from the play didn't make the cut either. A trend can be noted and those who need to buy into the excuses are not about to relinquish their crutch.
Unfortunately it has become apparent that every game that results in a Juventus draw or narrow victory will be followed by a week's worth of accusations and excuses which says a lot for sportsmanship and humility in the calcio world. Worse yet is the fact that no matter how many decisions wrongfully go against Juventus neither the team nor the fans will likely find a platform to express discontent. Maybe objectivity is better suited for other sports.
Giuseppe Solinas
MaestroZidane
YELLOW CARD: Untrustworthy
I feel like I'm alone when watching Juve play and enjoying the way they move the ball. Such an unfortunate way to lose the game, don't know why Legrottaglie had his hands up when he jump to block that shot. And Mutu.... Damn U Mutu!! 
Now if Nedved had kept playing the ball in the 64+/- 4min when Trez had that shot on goal...
Ohh! and that article posted my Mark, Interesting read. I guess there are more people that would rather say that Juve are benefiting from calls rather then admit that they are indeed a great team even after last years debacle. Can anyone say, Interista fans??
Now if Nedved had kept playing the ball in the 64+/- 4min when Trez had that shot on goal...
Ohh! and that article posted my Mark, Interesting read. I guess there are more people that would rather say that Juve are benefiting from calls rather then admit that they are indeed a great team even after last years debacle. Can anyone say, Interista fans??
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Mikey
Guest
Im curious, are the Juve fans actually genuinely happy with Del Piero's contract extension?
Everybody (well, i guess only the Juve fans) continuously praise Del Piero for being a god like professional who has always stayed true to Juventus,, but really,, should he be so commendable for signing a contract that will pay him THAT much, considering his output has continued to decline dramatically in recent times?
If Del Piero was the legend you all claim him to be, he wouldve taken a massive pay cut, as he is basically stealing from the club with that large a contract. Secco shouldve held his ground and forced DP to either take a massive pay cut, or let him go and usher in a new heir.
Had Del Piero not been offered a new contract, he wouldve likely went abroad to play in Japan or the middle east, because they are the only clubs who would offer him his laughable contract demands. This whole contract extension problem has revealed about Del Piero what I always already knew, he is selfish, arrogant, greedy and spotlight hungry. He played horrendous for Italy against france,,, and his reaction was bash and blame the coach for his poor play. Real professional
Hes never been able to accept criticism
(dont just insult me with your responses, id appreciate an actual argument to my points because im actually curious what Juve fans think of this)
Everybody (well, i guess only the Juve fans) continuously praise Del Piero for being a god like professional who has always stayed true to Juventus,, but really,, should he be so commendable for signing a contract that will pay him THAT much, considering his output has continued to decline dramatically in recent times?
If Del Piero was the legend you all claim him to be, he wouldve taken a massive pay cut, as he is basically stealing from the club with that large a contract. Secco shouldve held his ground and forced DP to either take a massive pay cut, or let him go and usher in a new heir.
Had Del Piero not been offered a new contract, he wouldve likely went abroad to play in Japan or the middle east, because they are the only clubs who would offer him his laughable contract demands. This whole contract extension problem has revealed about Del Piero what I always already knew, he is selfish, arrogant, greedy and spotlight hungry. He played horrendous for Italy against france,,, and his reaction was bash and blame the coach for his poor play. Real professional
Hes never been able to accept criticism (dont just insult me with your responses, id appreciate an actual argument to my points because im actually curious what Juve fans think of this)
italianstyle87
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Maybe all the juve fans are biased but your very biased in the other direction
While his output has diminished, he was TOP SCORER of the league and for juventus last season with 24 goals in all competitions
His wage demands are a bit high, but he gets paid to play and the rest is for the mass of other revenue he brings to the club through attendances, shirt sales, sponsorship etc
Maybe that one year in serie b has seen top flight football pass del piero, but he's also been in this position a few times in his career, and he's always been able to turn it around somewhat
I don't know about this "never" accepting criticism as you're the first one i've ever heard that, but he gets plenty more than his fair share
While his output has diminished, he was TOP SCORER of the league and for juventus last season with 24 goals in all competitions
His wage demands are a bit high, but he gets paid to play and the rest is for the mass of other revenue he brings to the club through attendances, shirt sales, sponsorship etc
Maybe that one year in serie b has seen top flight football pass del piero, but he's also been in this position a few times in his career, and he's always been able to turn it around somewhat
I don't know about this "never" accepting criticism as you're the first one i've ever heard that, but he gets plenty more than his fair share
Hiiiiiiiiiiii 
So what do you guys think of Tiago? Think he'll leave in january? This situation is so lame. I think I'm with Secco on this one. Shut up and perform. But on the other hand, didn't they know he was a skinny flamboyant passer type instead of a bulky hard worker running all over the pitch when they got him? Lame lame lame.
So what do you guys think of Tiago? Think he'll leave in january? This situation is so lame. I think I'm with Secco on this one. Shut up and perform. But on the other hand, didn't they know he was a skinny flamboyant passer type instead of a bulky hard worker running all over the pitch when they got him? Lame lame lame.
MaestroZidane
YELLOW CARD: Untrustworthy
Another win for the Bianconeri.. 
Nedved gets straight red at the end
Nedved gets straight red at the end
italianstyle87
Starting XI
DP was very impressive, created a handful of scoring chances
Hopefully Nocerino can be a career Juve player, i just love this guy.
Hopefully Nocerino can be a career Juve player, i just love this guy.
JuventusForever
Reserve Team
First match I got to watch this year, finally. Wow that Nocerino is brilliant, some amazing passes from him. Also Grygera did a nice job on the flank.
I think Tiago deserves more chances, we released too many potentially good players in 2 years that just started to shine in other clubs.
I think Tiago deserves more chances, we released too many potentially good players in 2 years that just started to shine in other clubs.
italianstyle87
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Juve offered Riquelme – Tiago swap
Reports in Spain suggest that Villarreal have approached Juventus with an offer to exchange Juan Roman Riquelme for Tiago Mendes.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/oct22f.html
Del Piero’s baby joy
Juventus captain Alessandro Del Piero is a father after his wife Sonia gave birth to a son in the early hours of this morning.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/oct22k.html
Reports in Spain suggest that Villarreal have approached Juventus with an offer to exchange Juan Roman Riquelme for Tiago Mendes.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/oct22f.html
Del Piero’s baby joy
Juventus captain Alessandro Del Piero is a father after his wife Sonia gave birth to a son in the early hours of this morning.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/oct22k.html
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