Manchester United F.C Thread [2010/2011]

[1966+2006]

I really don't see why everyone is bitching about Rooney. They didn't give him the assurances he wanted and he wanted to leave. Now they have and he's staying. Where's the problem?

 

[rony31]

150K/week, highest paid in United's history, yet he's still making 70% what Yaya Toure's making.

Sheikh > Glazers

 

[Pogba4Now]

I really don't see why everyone is bitching about Rooney. They didn't give him the assurances he wanted and he wanted to leave. Now they have and he's staying. Where's the problem?

I agree with that. But the only thing is his comment about United "not being ambitious". This will definitely disrupt the team spirit and his teamates' relationship with him.

 

[mnj2x]

I really don't see why everyone is bitching about Rooney. They didn't give him the assurances he wanted and he wanted to leave. Now they have and he's staying. Where's the problem?

Dude..you need to get up to speed with things. The "assurance" he was seeking was essentially a pay raise.

So basically...in Rooney's dictionary, giving assurance=more money please

Anyway.. he can have all the money he wants. Not an issue. Just the way he held united ransom and spouted rubbish about the club's ambitions etc that pissed off most united fans.

 

[Help?]

If it's a ruse, there's still problems behind the scenes, which will show on the field, his price will go down anyway, and if ManU hold out, you risk keeping him for another year, while paying him more money. It's certain that you'll pay a dissenting player more money, but it's not certain that you'll sell him for a big-buck sum. Doesn't sound all that wise.

Not really, Ronaldo did quite well despite showing his desire to leave. If Rooney didn't resolve this situation, then Ferguson would have to bench him and use other players for the rest of the season, otherwise people would question why he is giving playing time to somebody that doesn't want to be here. And him not playing would definitely not attract a lot of offers. But now he can play and give his all to attract good offers. Remember Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka at Leeds back in 2002-2003? Those two were set on leaving and played like the best partnership in the world to attract good offers. Ferguson knows he will leave, but at least Rooney will try hard in the mean time which will benefit the team as well.

Either way, even if Rooney continues to underperform, we will still be able to sell him for much more than 5 million that we would otherwise get.

 

[AsmodaiPlay]

Ehh... You're misunderstanding yet again. I said that you didn't get that I used Özil merely as an example to explain, not that you didn't understand the very point of it all. You thought that I used him to say that everyone should play for the nation they come from which is not what I am saying at all.

Fair enough.

I won't believe the £100mil story until we actually see new players coming in. On the BBC we've been linked with Ribery, Bale, Henderson, Torres, Sneijder, A.Young and Hulk. Torres wouldn't join but the rest are at least plausible. I'd like to see Sneijder and Bale, with Henderson maybe in the future after he's had more first team experience at Sunderland. A new keeper is fairly important also, Neuer or Akinfeev perhaps. I suspect we won't get any of these though.

At least if Rooney decides he wants to leave again we will get a much better fee for him.

 

[cfdemarco]

I have wanted Sneijder, Ribery and Torres to come to United in the past, but at this point I don't think signing any of them makes sense, they'd all cost big money and they're all 26 or 27 and I'd rather see us sign younger players.

Bale would be a dream, but I don't think that's going to happen, Spurs would be insane to let him go, especially now that they're in CL and have the quality to compete for top 4 in England every season. Bale is an elite player and will only get better, in another 3 or 4 years if he stays healthy he'll be the best back in the world.

Ferguson's summer 2011 shopping list should have the following names on it:

-Davide Santon
-Giovani dos Santos
-Eljero Elia

 

[VanTheMan]

we werent so great today
oshea was crap...his passes were so weak..
fletcher needs to be benched..he is having a horrid season like carrick..

chicha rescued us
but i have a feeling berba will also go on another barren run again..

 

[Help?]

-Davide Santon
-Giovani dos Santos
-Eljero Elia

Don't you think we got enough young players in Da Silvas, Smailling, Anderson, Nani, Valencia, Chicharito, Macheda, Bebe, Obertan? Those are all good players with potential above any of those 3 imo. 26 or 27 is not even peak age these days. They would still have like 3 or 4 seasons before reaching their peak and then 3 or 4 more seasons for a down trend.

 

[cfdemarco]

Don't you think we got enough young players in Da Silvas, Smailling, Anderson, Nani, Valencia, Chicharito, Macheda, Bebe, Obertan? Those are all good players with potential above any of those 3 imo. 26 or 27 is not even peak age these days. They would still have like 3 or 4 seasons before reaching their peak and then 3 or 4 more seasons for a down trend.

No, you can never have enough young players.

What is your long-term plan on defense? 6 of our 10 defenders are 29 or older. Rio and Evra are both already showing a decline, Vidic could be sold to Madrid at any point, and there is a revolving door at RB right now. In terms of defenders for the future, all we have is the twins, Smalling, and Evans, and I'm not sold on the quality of any of those 4 kids yet. The truth of it is that within the next 5 years we are going to have to overhaul our entire defense. Santon can play either wingback position, he's big and fast and is good going forward, and at 19 he would be a fantastic long-term investment.

Midfield...Nani and Valencia are both great on the wings, but you need young backups, don't you? Especially considering that if Nani continues to improve he will likely be sold. We've got Cleverley long term for the wing, which I'm excited about, but we need at least one more young winger for the future I think, and Elia would be perfect.

We need an attacking midfielder to replace Scholes and Anderson just isn't the answer. Fletcher and Carrick both need to be groomed to be our lockdown holding midfielder. I think Giovani would be a perfect long-term replacement as our attacking midfielder, the kid has blazing speed, great shot and great passing, he really could be the next Ronaldinho.

Strikers, I'm not worried about. We have Chicharito and Kiko plus Welbeck and Diouf eventually coming back.

 

[farmboy]

Fletcher and Carrick both need to be groomed to be our lockdown holding midfielder. I think Giovani would be a perfect long-term replacement as our attacking midfielder, the kid has blazing speed, great shot and great passing, he really could be the next Ronaldinho.

I find the idea of 'grooming' fletcher or carrick for anything at this point in their careers amusing. They're 26 and 29, respectively...they aren't done yet, but they're both on the downswing of their careers, and i wouldn't look at them as particularly long term solutions (granted, fletch was a late bloomer who's only come on the last couple of years, but unfortunately for him that means his time at the top will be that much shorter).

 

[adedawson]

little peas looking good. Should breed some good competition up front.

 

[cfdemarco]

I find the idea of 'grooming' fletcher or carrick for anything at this point in their careers amusing. They're 26 and 29, respectively...they aren't done yet, but they're both on the downswing of their careers, and i wouldn't look at them as particularly long term solutions (granted, fletch was a late bloomer who's only come on the last couple of years, but unfortunately for him that means his time at the top will be that much shorter).

Yeah, for some reason I thought Fletcher was younger than that.

I guess we need a holding midfielder as well as an attacking.

Khedira and Ozil would've been perfect but Madrid was smart to grab the German wonderkids.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Khedira isn't a wonderkid. You're better off with Fletcher IMO.

 

[cfdemarco]

He's a good player and he's only 23. Continuing to play with Ozil for the Madrid and Germany midfield he's only going to get better as well.

I don't necessarily have anything against Fletcher, I'm just saying you want to think about the future. You're gonna need more than one central midfielder down the road.

 

[adedawson]

I don't know why your arguing over something you have 0 say over. saying we should of had this or that player, the what ifs. Try focusing on what we have got, like two great goals from hernandez vs stoke.

it could be me but I feel like your always moaning about the squad or stating "I told you so's" over the obvious.

Bringing up posts made by you and scanning over 3 whole pages the last positive comment was made about berbatov looking the business so far, who you have previously slated to the sun and back lol

I'd place some kind of stupid bet or dare that you couldn't go a month without placing a negative comment.

 

[Pogba4Now]

No, you can never have enough young players.

What is your long-term plan on defense? 6 of our 10 defenders are 29 or older. Rio and Evra are both already showing a decline, Vidic could be sold to Madrid at any point, and there is a revolving door at RB right now. In terms of defenders for the future, all we have is the twins, Smalling, and Evans, and I'm not sold on the quality of any of those 4 kids yet. The truth of it is that within the next 5 years we are going to have to overhaul our entire defense. Santon can play either wingback position, he's big and fast and is good going forward, and at 19 he would be a fantastic long-term investment.

Midfield...Nani and Valencia are both great on the wings, but you need young backups, don't you? Especially considering that if Nani continues to improve he will likely be sold. We've got Cleverley long term for the wing, which I'm excited about, but we need at least one more young winger for the future I think, and Elia would be perfect.

We need an attacking midfielder to replace Scholes and Anderson just isn't the answer. Fletcher and Carrick both need to be groomed to be our lockdown holding midfielder. I think Giovani would be a perfect long-term replacement as our attacking midfielder, the kid has blazing speed, great shot and great passing, he really could be the next Ronaldinho.

Strikers, I'm not worried about. We have Chicharito and Kiko plus Welbeck and Diouf eventually coming back.

I think we're fine with youngsters... Having more will overload our squad. Think of what will happen to the twins if Santon comes. They'll both rot in the reserves.

We have tons of wingers. Bebe, Obertan, Cleverley, Welbeck. Elia would be good though because he'd be an instant replacement for Giggs... But don't forget that we have Valencia in the sidelines. When he comes back I think we'll be good with Nani/Valencia as starters and Bebe/Obertan/Giggs/Park as backups. Elia should only come if one of the youngsters get sold. Otherwise we'd be too overloaded.

 

[Back Door Skip]

Rooney who?

 

[cfdemarco]

I think we're fine with youngsters... Having more will overload our squad. Think of what will happen to the twins if Santon comes. They'll both rot in the reserves.

We have tons of wingers. Bebe, Obertan, Cleverley, Welbeck. Elia would be good though because he'd be an instant replacement for Giggs... But don't forget that we have Valencia in the sidelines. When he comes back I think we'll be good with Nani/Valencia as starters and Bebe/Obertan/Giggs/Park as backups. Elia should only come if one of the youngsters get sold. Otherwise we'd be too overloaded.

Fabio is rotting in the reserves anyway. Rafael gets a fair amount of playing time. Besides, we're going to need another wingback for the future anyway, as it stands we only have 3 young wingbacks for the future (twins and Evans). My idea would be to buy Santon, sign him to a long-term deal and then send him out on loan for a few seasons, along with Fabio.

I'd say the same about Elia, but he's ready to be an impact player NOW. Nani will almost surely be sold within the next 3 years. I don't see Valencia staying forever either. I'm very excited about Cleverely but I'm not sold on Obertan at all and Bebe is a mystery. Welbeck I'd use as a striker. So I think Elia would be a sound investment in the future.

This is all moot anyway, because I don't think Inter would part with Santon.

 

[Help?]

We just got Smailing. That 4 good defenders with great potential. Obertan is good, whenever he played this season he rarely lost a ball. Just needs to work on his decision-making and he will be amazing. He also packed on a lot of muscle, players can't brush him off the ball.