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Manchester United F.C Thread [2010/2011]

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Mandieta6;3041947 said:
On the contrary, he's much better than you're making him out to be, and he could definitely play at United. There's a reason why all the big teams in Europe have been after him at some point. He's an excellent player and versatile to boot. I wouldn't say he's worldclass, but frankly, I wouldn't say that about most of United's team anyway. A worldclass team isn't necessarily comprised of worldclass players, and viceversa.
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What ******* top club is after Ashley Young? I haven't heard serious interest from any top clubs.
 
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Nady;3042301 said:
I am very nervous and excited too... Barca are clear favourites. Ferguson looks prepared though... He said that he knows the reason for the Rome downfall and the game has been analysed again several times. The good thing for us is that Barcelona's tactics are still the same so they'll most probably play the exact same tactics again. Ferguson has been working on ways to overcome Barca since the past 2 weeks. It is a very big challenge.
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Yeah, but the fact that Barcelona is unchanged is more of a problem than a benefit for you. In 2009, Busquets was in his first year with the club and wasn't fully aware of his role... now he's one of the most important players in the team. The team has grown and matured in their understanding of the tactic and each other immensely in the past 2 years. That team only maintained 51% possession in the 2009 Final, and it was much less over the course of the year as well. Further, Carrick is still going to be tasked with shutting down Iniesta, a job he was completely incapable of in 2009 and likely won't be able to do this time either. Messi understands the false 9 role much better now (it was a surprise when used in 2009). It's just a completely different monster, and if Fergie is preparing for this game by breaking down the 2009 tape he's going to get hammered.

SAF has shown to be the most shrewd manager in football, possibly in football history. He knows exactly when to change with the times and all that good stuff. But he's not a brilliant tactician, and he's not the guy who is going to mastermind a plan to beat Barcelona on paper. Obviously his tactical prep will make a huge difference, but he can screw it up easier than he can get it right (for example, going with Giggs and Carrick as holders). If Man U are going to win they're going to need to be hugely motivated, a steel reserve, some moments of inconceivable individual brilliance, AND luck. It can be done, but it's more up to the players unless the manager really cocks up the tactics. I get that you have faith in your team, but also remember that you are rightfully huge underdogs. This is the greatest club side of all time.
 
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ShiftyPowers;3042320 said:
Yeah, but the fact that Barcelona is unchanged is more of a problem than a benefit for you. In 2009, Busquets was in his first year with the club and wasn't fully aware of his role... now he's one of the most important players in the team. The team has grown and matured in their understanding of the tactic and each other immensely in the past 2 years. That team only maintained 51% possession in the 2009 Final, and it was much less over the course of the year as well. Further, Carrick is still going to be tasked with shutting down Iniesta, a job he was completely incapable of in 2009 and likely won't be able to do this time either. Messi understands the false 9 role much better now (it was a surprise when used in 2009). It's just a completely different monster, and if Fergie is preparing for this game by breaking down the 2009 tape he's going to get hammered.

SAF has shown to be the most shrewd manager in football, possibly in football history. He knows exactly when to change with the times and all that good stuff. But he's not a brilliant tactician, and he's not the guy who is going to mastermind a plan to beat Barcelona on paper. Obviously his tactical prep will make a huge difference, but he can screw it up easier than he can get it right (for example, going with Giggs and Carrick as holders). If Man U are going to win they're going to need to be hugely motivated, a steel reserve, some moments of inconceivable individual brilliance, AND luck. It can be done, but it's more up to the players unless the manager really cocks up the tactics. I get that you have faith in your team, but also remember that you are rightfully huge underdogs. This is the greatest club side of all time.
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the barca team has some way to go before they can be considered the greatest team of all time. just a little stat for you, barca has been to the UCL final 3 times in the last 6 years, Man Utd has been in the final 3 times in the last 4 years. by those stats then since Man Utd have been in the UCL more frequently than Barca we can conclude that Man Utd are better than the greatest team ever...
 
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That team also won literally every trophy in one year, has been to the CL Semi Finals each of the past 4 years, and have the players who contribute a majority for the current Euro and World Champions. You realize in the last two seasons they have finished La Liga with 99 and 96 points, right? That they have averaged 73% possession over all games this year. They do not have a long way to go before being considered the greatest ever. Couple all the enormous feats mentioned above with the eye test, and a win tomorrow will more than solidify it for me.
 
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RockShow;3042327 said:
the barca team has some way to go before they can be considered the greatest team of all time. just a little stat for you, barca has been to the UCL final 3 times in the last 6 years, Man Utd has been in the final 3 times in the last 4 years. by those stats then since Man Utd have been in the UCL more frequently than Barca we can conclude that Man Utd are better than the greatest team ever...
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Yes, that one stat totally proves that ManU are better than Barcelona. Quite an indisputable conclusion you've drawn there.
 
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For some reason I am quite relaxed about the game.....maybe because I know that Barca is the better side football wise, all I want from our boys is a hell of a fight and hard work....

As I posted a while back, Shakhtar CLEARLY showed the weak points of this Barca side, but couldn't do **** with those numerous chances they got in both their encounters with Barca....we have the same kind of players, if not better and more dangerous, also Arsenal showed that Barca ain't all that when they face a team who's ready to fight and whos capable of playing (effective) counter attacking football.....fact is when it was 11 vs 11 against Real and Arsenal for example Barca did not do much IMO.....patience is the key today....

It is quite annoying to read that people are already writing us off, but that is when we show our best form, so please keep on writing us off!!! As some stated.... Barca has evolved after the 09 finals....fair enough....but we have changed as well, we currently don't focus our play on one player, which was the case in '09 with Ronaldo, shutting him down hurt us that day.....Rooney, Nani, Park, Valencia etc can all decide a game......Hernandez is also a different kind of striker then most defenders face during their career, that will be an important factor....
 
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RockShow

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Barca won a treble? i seem to remember another team doing that with a younger starting 11 to boot. 1 good season does not equal "best team ever".
 
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ShiftyPowers;3042317 said:
What ******* top club is after Ashley Young? I haven't heard serious interest from any top clubs.
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ManU, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, City, Barcelona, Madrid and Inter have all been linked at different points throughout the last few years. Sure, some of those will be pure speculation, but where there's smoke there's fire.
 
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RockShow;3042397 said:
Barca won a treble? i seem to remember another team doing that with a younger starting 11 to boot. 1 good season does not equal "best team ever".
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Yeah, and that next year when you hung up 99 points in the league was great too!
 
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Good luck to everyone...I know I need it, nervous as ****.

Berbatov being left out of the squat might aswell mean that he has played his last match for United. I'd rather see Owen leaving, though.
 
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Pretty sure leaving Berbatov out is purely tactical. He's not an impact player, whereas the game Owen plays can have much more of an impact against a team like Barca
 
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