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RockShow;3042654 said:man oh man, what a game. Too bad we lost it. was it just me or did your heart sink when you saw we were the "away team" for jersey selection? lol. maybe next year.
mnj2x;3042656 said:
C'mon guys, let's be realistic. Winning EPL and reaching UCL final with this average team was a huge achivement. On the hand, Barca was even stronger than two years ago.
I just hope that all players could try had at Rooney's rate.
Well we lost as expected. Even in the style that was expected, so no complaints. I truly believe this is the best club team ever of any generation. Modern day tactics are far more advanced than what we had in 70's 80s or even 90s and Barcelona makes a mockery of it all. They dominate every single team they encounter. No arguments who deserved to win.
I'm happy that the players fought hard and you could see that they were trying. But sadly I have to agree with Carlos Wilshere, we needed to get into Barcelona's face and we just didn't do that. It is one of Ferguson's problems that when he sees a really good team, he gives them too much respect. He tries to come up with an amazing tactic to counter it, but he is just not that good of a tactician. This frustrated the hell of a lot from me when United would keep losing to AC Milan year after year, just because Ferguson would try to out-master them, rather than simply use the team's superior physical abilities.
I'm afraid tactically Fergie got it wrong again and historically its not at all a surprise that he did.
On the plus side, did any notice how pissed off and anxious Ferguson was? No way he is leaving in the near future. Barcelona again exposed our ****ty midfield and I really really hope that this is the moment Ferguson decides to buy a real central midfielder. He is a very stubborn man and needs to make the same mistake twice or three times to learn, so let's hope that this is that last time.
I'm happy that the players fought hard and you could see that they were trying. But sadly I have to agree with Carlos Wilshere, we needed to get into Barcelona's face and we just didn't do that. It is one of Ferguson's problems that when he sees a really good team, he gives them too much respect. He tries to come up with an amazing tactic to counter it, but he is just not that good of a tactician. This frustrated the hell of a lot from me when United would keep losing to AC Milan year after year, just because Ferguson would try to out-master them, rather than simply use the team's superior physical abilities.
I'm afraid tactically Fergie got it wrong again and historically its not at all a surprise that he did.
On the plus side, did any notice how pissed off and anxious Ferguson was? No way he is leaving in the near future. Barcelona again exposed our ****ty midfield and I really really hope that this is the moment Ferguson decides to buy a real central midfielder. He is a very stubborn man and needs to make the same mistake twice or three times to learn, so let's hope that this is that last time.
Exactly, as I was saying, United would constantly get killed by Milan by giving them too much space infront of the box. This is the exact same problem with Barcelona. Xavi had all day right on the edge of our box to pick out Pedro for the first goal. You just can't back off so much and that's what led to the first two goals. Third one was just unlucky touch by Nani and great shot by Villa.
I think the problem is that United doesn't man-mark teams, they are not used to this kind of style of play, but this is what's required to beat a team like Barcelona.
I think the problem is that United doesn't man-mark teams, they are not used to this kind of style of play, but this is what's required to beat a team like Barcelona.
Pogba4Now
Team Captain
Btw, the reason why we won the title this season is because of this guy:
While Rooney wanted to leave, this guy was keeping us going together with Nani. He is the EPL player with the most winning goals this season. He won us games 7 times. Thats very significant. His role is very underrated and I feel very bad for him for not making into the squad for the final. Very harsh on him. Thats what you get for being the top scorer in the team.
While Rooney wanted to leave, this guy was keeping us going together with Nani. He is the EPL player with the most winning goals this season. He won us games 7 times. Thats very significant. His role is very underrated and I feel very bad for him for not making into the squad for the final. Very harsh on him. Thats what you get for being the top scorer in the team.
ShiftyPowers
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Help?;3042750 said:
To be honest, I thought Fergie got the tactics right. The only problem is that it's impossible to press Barcelona as much as they had to; after an hour even Park and Rooney looked dog tired and that's where all the space came from.
I agree Fergie isnt tactically strong but I dont know if there was much he could have done. We did press Barca but most of that was in the first 10 mins. This team isnt used to press teams like that for 90 mins even Park was tired watch him when Messi scored. Plus on top of that they had Messi he is stoppable but its like trying to stop Michael Jordan.
The last time we played this Barca team was in 2009 and nobody else plays like them so we arent used to play against their style. Arsenal did better this year than last year so did Real Madrid after they lost 5-1. Best way to challenge Barca is to play them more than once a year that way the team can get used to their play style while improving tactics and fitness.
The last time we played this Barca team was in 2009 and nobody else plays like them so we arent used to play against their style. Arsenal did better this year than last year so did Real Madrid after they lost 5-1. Best way to challenge Barca is to play them more than once a year that way the team can get used to their play style while improving tactics and fitness.
Barca is coming close to its peak and will begin to deteriorate soon, as Xavi gets older. There is not much they can improve on. All this talk about Messi being only 23, but I genuinely believe that if you take out Xavi or Iniesta, their whole tactic will crumble. Its like having Scholes and Giggs for us at the top of their form. Xavi/Iniesta combo just doesn't get enough credit. I can only imagine what kind of wonders Rooney would be doing if he had 90 minutes to just roam around for fun every single game.
As for United, we are in a major transition and things are only going to go uphill from here for quite sometime (given that we don't go bankrupt). We seem to be able to find the best wingers in the world, but just can't get anybody good in the center.
The only real problem to all that is that Ferguson is running out of time, every season poses a question of how long he will be here. And every year you start to worry more and more that we won't be able to find a competent replacement and will end up sacking managers at Chelsea's rate. And in that case our improvement will probably be cut short and we won't be able to re-establish ourselves as the best in the world.
As for United, we are in a major transition and things are only going to go uphill from here for quite sometime (given that we don't go bankrupt). We seem to be able to find the best wingers in the world, but just can't get anybody good in the center.
The only real problem to all that is that Ferguson is running out of time, every season poses a question of how long he will be here. And every year you start to worry more and more that we won't be able to find a competent replacement and will end up sacking managers at Chelsea's rate. And in that case our improvement will probably be cut short and we won't be able to re-establish ourselves as the best in the world.
I dunno though, I guess Xavi might have two years left but when he goes there will be Cesc or Thiago right behind him. The beauty of Barça is not the players necessarily it's the system. In the 2009 final the only defender they had playing in his regular position was Piqué and it didn't seem to affect them as much. Regarding Messi he still does look like the world's best player in an Argentina jersey, that wasn't the case 3 or 2 years ago but he's grown a lot since then.
To reiterate this is just my own personal opinion, so a big majority of people will most likely have differing views from me.
In regards to Messi, he can be good with Argentina, but he doesn't have the midfield backbone to support him, hence he has to play in a very similar way to how Rooney plays for United. Aka he has to actually do some defending, but Messi isn't really good at defending so just in my opinion, the world cup trophy is out of his reach or at the very least winning it in the same style as Barcelona. Argentina is just not gonna dominate every single country they encounter with or without Messi.
As for Fabregas replacing Xavi, that's possible actually. Cesc very well might flourish at Barca more and he does have those attributes, so I might actually be wrong about that.
In regards to Messi, he can be good with Argentina, but he doesn't have the midfield backbone to support him, hence he has to play in a very similar way to how Rooney plays for United. Aka he has to actually do some defending, but Messi isn't really good at defending so just in my opinion, the world cup trophy is out of his reach or at the very least winning it in the same style as Barcelona. Argentina is just not gonna dominate every single country they encounter with or without Messi.
As for Fabregas replacing Xavi, that's possible actually. Cesc very well might flourish at Barca more and he does have those attributes, so I might actually be wrong about that.
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
Help?;3043105 said:
Nah, I thought Chicharito should have played and Rooney stick to Busquets like glue, which was the plan. If anything I would have thought about Fletcher over Giggs, but if he's not fully fit, what are you gonna do.
As for Barcelona... clearly age is going to catch up to them at some point, and Cesc isn't the same player as Xavi, but I think it pretty much comes down to Messi; everyone else is replaceable to some extent. Iniesta has missed LARGE chunks of time over the past 3 years and Barca have been just as good. And hell, if we're to believe reports, La Masia is supposedly just overflowing with talent right now. It will be interesting as Messi gets to 27/28 what he's going to do. Does he want to stay in Barcelona his entire career? He's well paid, but clearly Barca don't pay him his market value; likewise if he wants more fame and recognition he has to move to Madrid or United because that's just how the media works.
ShiftyPowers;3043148 said:
Messi has stated he will retire from Europe at Barcelona, he has stated he wants to play for Rosario Central which is his hometown club but after he has finished with Barcelona. He is loyal to the club and bleeds the colors, thats whats so great about developing a talent like him in the youth system with the love for the club.
About Barcelona aging. I think we will not see a union of players of this magnitude for a long long time, I don't think we will ever reach this teams' level maybe forever. That being said, I think we have the foundation and the system to continue a path of success and challenge for the same titles we do now, maybe not in such a dominating fashion, but as long as we have good management and stick to our philosophy success will come.
BTW, Congrats ManU on a good campaign
You have a great club and a great team, it was a spectacle watching you give us a go and I admire that. Keep your heads up, you have the foundation of a great team 
Jaboldinho
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We have possibly two good years with Xavi left, after that, his age will start to slowly become a factor. But as pointed, after that we'll have Thiago (or maybe Cesc) to take over. That's what's great about this team. We're definitely in our peak at the moment, but because everybody in La Masia is tought with the same philosophy, to play the same style, the same roles our players play now, we will not crash and fall. Sure, we'll never get another Xavi, another Iniesta, or another Messi. But we'll still produce top players.
Noooo.....! There are rumours going around that Scholes has decided to retire.........sad day if true......it has not been confirmed by the club yet.
About the Barca game, well it isn't a shame losing to a great side such as Barca hence my relaxed mood before the game.....next season we'll be pushing for another final as I feel that besides our never say die mentally our football will only improve. We need to remind ourselves that we are in the middle of a transition, we can only get better from here......our boys gave us another great season with a record breaking 19th title....hopefully we can add the 20th next season.......
About the Barca game, well it isn't a shame losing to a great side such as Barca hence my relaxed mood before the game.....next season we'll be pushing for another final as I feel that besides our never say die mentally our football will only improve. We need to remind ourselves that we are in the middle of a transition, we can only get better from here......our boys gave us another great season with a record breaking 19th title....hopefully we can add the 20th next season.......
Pogba4Now
Team Captain
Evra pretends to drop the trophy. Haha
EDIT: Is it Owen holding the "19" shirt? Liverpool fans should see that
Nice to see Berbatov taking part in the parade despite being dropped for the final. He was dropped to 3rd striker behind Rooney and Chicharito despite being league top scorer and he still claims he's the "Happiest man". Players like Van Nistelrooy or T*vez wouldn't ever sit on the bench. Great guy.
EDIT: More pictures here: http://pictures.metro.co.uk/embed/m...lays-Premier-League-Victory-Parade-Manchester
Berbartov scored many goals with small teams, like 5 with WBA and 2-3 with other ones. In important matches he is so annoying because he's inexistant . Chicarito was by far the most decisive united player this season, how many times did he saved you ? And Tevez scored as many goals as Berbatov, he's not the EPL goalscoarer.
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