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Manchester United Thread [2007/2008]

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Daz

Everyone's Favourite Diabetic
i wouldnt say "awful"... Chelsea did what Chelsea do against United and that's just sit back and try and piss us off, they have alot of great players that are obviously going to make that hard work for us.

Rooney and Tevez didn't link up too well though, but still early days for them too.
 

pede54

Team Captain
Help?;2405614 said:
Damn, i gotta admit that it was lucky. Mikel's challenge was clearly a yellow, but apparently Mike Dein gave out 14 red cards in his last 20 games, so not much of a surprise. However that timing of the goal is very harsh on Chelsea, the referee was already going over his time when the corner started and then further more he left the play continue after the corner finished.

But its a good game so far, we are finally playing better than in any of the last 3 games, the players are actually making more risky and succesful passes. Yes, we haven't had that many chances, but even before the Mikel sending off, United troubled Cech on a number of occassions. And looking back at like the last 5-6 games with Chelsea, it would be them attacking and us defending usually, it hasn't been the case in this game. Some good signs, but if you think about it, 10 of the 11 players on the field are the guys that were starters last season, so they all know each other well, hence why we are playing so much better than usually.

HELP....

Dont you think the fact we were down to 10 men had something to do with that?

AND before the sending off, Cech had ONE save to make, and the game was pretty much even. Tell it like it is pal, we all saw the game FFS.

MIKE DEAN 2 _ CHELSEA O

We had a million reasons why we lost this. All of them valid but Man U playing better was not one of them. I think you know that.


Hahaha....I just realised.....Daz lives closer to Chelsea than I do.....:)
 
Daz;2405656 said:
i wouldnt say "awful"... Chelsea did what Chelsea do against United and that's just sit back and try and piss us off, they have alot of great players that are obviously going to make that hard work for us.

I was referring to Saha's dive.
 

Daz

Everyone's Favourite Diabetic
pede54;2405664 said:
Hahaha....I just realised.....Daz lives closer to Chelsea than I do.....:)

Yep, that would be the lazy little Daz at some young age (i honestly can't remember how old i was) picking the easiest team to support - Manchester United. But as i've grown older i've grown to love the club and really enjoy the United way. At least give me credit for putting up with all the gloryhunter bollocks for years :D

I'm off up to Nottingham next week anyway... a bit closer :p
 

Help?

Fan Favourite
pede54;2405664 said:
HELP....

Dont you think the fact we were down to 10 men had something to do with that?

AND before the sending off, Cech had ONE save to make, and the game was pretty much even. Tell it like it is pal, we all saw the game FFS.

I was talking about how the game was shaping up before Mikel was sent off. Before the 32nd minuted, United had Rooney hit a great shot, Evra getting in behind Joe Cole and then getting tackeled by him, John Terry deflecting 2 shots for corners and the biggest chance was when Giggs somehow managed to put the ball over the bar, when he should have easily scored. Chelsea had a weak Schevchenko effort that went over the bar. In previous games it would take us 30 minutes, just to get that first shot on goal usually.



I can't believe that some of you think that United played awful today. I thought that this was our best performance of the season yet. Vidic, Ferdinand, Brown and Evra (especially Evra) didn't give anything away in defense, Giggs and Ronaldo looked on fire on the wings, Scholes was surprisingly good with his tackles today and most importantly Carrick put in a man of the match performance. He controlled the midfield and his balls today were out of this world. He found Giggs twice and Saha with those Beckham-style 50 yard passes that would drop perferctly in the middle of the box for the players to volley it, unfortunately they all went just wide.
It was Chelsea that we played today or did you all forget that fact on Thursday? Just cause Mourinho is gone, doesn't mean that Chelsea are suddenly a mid-table team. Sure they were a man-down for an hour, but it doesn't mean that you can let your guard down and stupidly throw attack after attack at Chelsea. You do that and they will hit right back on the counter-attack.
 

LeeTheLegend

Youth Team
"That's why we're champions! That's why we're champions! That's why we're champions!"

Get in!!!!!! 2-0 to the champions!!!! great game!!! well deserved!!!
 

MikeyM

Big Daddy
What upset me was the complete bias shown in the coverage by Skysports. All they talked about was Chelsea and then they basically said Chelsea lost because of the referee. Let's examine the game shall we?

1: United pinned Chelsea in their own half for the first 10 minutes. We had 9 corners to 1 at one stage. That's dominance - plus but for a good save, United would have been one up early on.

2: Mikel's lunge at Evra looked awful at first glance, I was expecting a yellow at least (maybe the red was a bit harsh) but Mikel is building a reputation as a dangerous player. Also it was clearly studs up, and I believe that in such a case contact with the ball is deemed irrelevant in the rules. With the benefit of a replay yes the yellow may have been the fairer option but it was in my opinion a dangerous challenge.

3: Joe Cole clearly caught his man in the box before he caught the ball - that is a penalty fair and square. Chelsea escaped through a referee decision. Call that 1-1 then.

4: The referee is fully entitled to add time on to the advertised "injury time". Chelsea were caught napping and United scored, again fair and square. Players are taught as Children to play to the whistle.

5: Joe Cole's assault on Cristiano again was a dangerous act and was worse than the dismissal of Mikel, yet the referee allowed Cole to remain on the pitch. Perhaps balancing things out after his "chat" at halftime with Chelsea's staff? Also it seems to me that Ronaldo in particular is often victim to these type of challenges yet referees always go on his (sometimes justified) reputation of going to ground.

6: Ashley Cole clearly made a meal of Rooney's admittedly clumsy challenge. And a case could be made for a yellow card. However Cole did go down like he'd been shot. I did find myself fearing Rooney was going to boil over after though.

7: The penalty - Contact was made which impeded Saha, however Saha did also milk that contact like Cole before him. But in the eyes of the law of the game, Saha was denied a clear opportunity by the mistimed foot so a penalty was fair. You see them given and you don't.

So yes you could argue the referee made several "wrong calls" but to suggest United had the benefit of all of them is ridiculous. These things balance out.

I think the problem is that Referees aren't given scope to use common sense. I saw during the Middlesbrough game yesterday for example an excellent piece of refereeing. Cattermole and a Sunderland player were "handbags at dawn" and the others began pushing and shoving. Seeing both players were equally at fault and both teams players were involved, the referee spoke to them to calm the situation and left it at that. Now I see referees in the Premiership that would take pleasure in strutting over and firing the red card in the air at the drop of a hat (or nod of a head if you get my drift)

The point is there is no consistency and that is why we get arguments like today. Also the issue of ignoring calls to "balance things out" needs to be addressed. Okay Mikel maybe deserved a yellow, but when a player lunges in like Cole did on Ronaldo then a red must be issued regardless. Every incident has to be judged on it's own. If Rooney say had scythed into Wright Phillips in the same way then I can't argue against a dismissal regardless of whose shirt you're wearing.
 

Fernandez

Team Captain
I didn't get Skysports coverage so I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about :D.

I had to do with the normal coverage, the ones used for the official review shows. So mine basically has that unfavourited Alan Parry and somebody with an African name.

Obi C*nt would have been a success story if he had signed for us instead because if he did, he wouldn't be comitting any of those awful challenges. It makes Paul Scholes look like John O'Shea tackling-wise.

We gave our best performance of the season, but there is still some work to be done. Once Chelsea were down to 10 men, and we scored, I thought, that this would be an excellent chance to score more. I wished that we had more attacking ambitions to attack in the second half and kill the game off so that the players can enjoy the rest of the game. You can see clearly that the tempo of our game increased after we scored the penalty. I hope it is a greater sign of things to come.

I thought Saha disappointed me with his reaction to the trip. I'd just be happy if he tumbled like Ronaldo did last week. It would make him less of a villain.

And props to Evra for not rolling on the ground as if a wild boar attacked him after that Obi challenge.

PS. Saha needs to learn on how to take proper penalties.
 

gamerguy350

Reserve Team
Fernandez;2405859 said:
And props to Evra for not rolling on the ground as if a wild boar attacked him after that Obi challenge.

PS. Saha needs to learn on how to take proper penalties.

Did you see his face as he went down? Clearly in quite a bit of pain. Way to be a man and walk it off Evra.

Yeah, that penalty was quite ****e, don't think Fergie would've been very pleased if Cech hadn't moved.
 

Help?

Fan Favourite
Daz;2405895 said:
What was wrong with the penalty he took?

It was hit to low for shots down the middle. When keepers dive, they can sometimes save low middle shots with their feet, which is what Cech almost did. He touched it, but fortunately not enough for the ball to completely change direction.
 

Fernandez

Team Captain
His technique suggested that the ball was going to Cech's left, but he mi**** the ball and it went through the middle. At least he scored, and that mattered in the end.
 

Daz

Everyone's Favourite Diabetic
i thought it was quite a decent penalty; nice hard shot straight down the middle. Even if Cech had got a fairly decent touch on it with his foot, Saha struck the ball so hard it would've still gone in. Down the middle is always a safe option anyway - if you look, at least 9 times out of 10 keepers will dive to either side, so a nicely struck shot down the middle can be a very good option.
 

MikeyM

Big Daddy
Watched the game on MUTV again last night. I didn't realize that the Chelsea defender had his arm raised towards his face as well for the penalty. And that Joe Cole lunge on Ronaldo looks worse each time I see it.

Still we got the win and everyone came through okay.
 

MikeyM

Big Daddy
phrase;2406132 said:
Ben Haim did left his foot and raised a clothesline on Saha but the frenchman's antics were needless.

Unfortunately the stakes are so high, diving has become part of the game. Look at the Chelsea players throwing themselves all over the place. It doesn't make what he did right, but I get a little sense of justice from it.

Ronaldo is now paying the price for his past antics - the likes of Ball and Cole are allowed to attack him now - Fergie is right there is no protection for him.

Anyway Chelsea are done with and we move on.
 

LeeTheLegend

Youth Team
Obi Mikel should of received a yellow for his tackle on Evra but Joe Cole's tackle on Ronaldo was a definite red in my book. The Saha penalty decision was spot-on though.
That will give us the psychological edge on Chelsea, they shouldn't be a threat to us anymore, hopefully when the transfer window opens, we shall see alot of high profile Chelsea exits, fingers crossed.
 

ladylover

Senior Squad
1966+2006;2406378 said:
We don't need to cross our fingers that Chelsea are gonna lose it. We just have to focus on our game.

Yeah I agree, and besides Chelsea isn't our biggest threat atm, Liverpool and Arsenal are
 
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