Manchester United Thread [2007/2008]

[mnj2x]

on a lighter note....

I was watching some videos on carlos tevez and realised how he has totally changed his style of play to suit the EPL and united. He has never been the out and out CF. Tevez is a playmaker.. and i remember at the world cup 2006 he was pulling the strings for argentina. Hes not a goal machine. We have yet to see the best of him. I was reading the redissue forums and some of them were comparing him with Torres which is unfair IMO.

 

[phrase]

Hahaha! Looks like my digs on Gianfranco Zola caused some commotion here.Take a chill pill...I knew who he was and I was already around rooting for United when he joined Chavski.He was one of the best foreign players ever to grace the Premiership in my opinion.Too bad,Chavski did not win anything when he was around.Sorry! *Touche*

I was not defending Ronaldo but comparing him to Zola is way off.

 

[pede54]

Phrase, You wasn't even born when Zola played for Chelsea. Either that or you never ever saw him play. You sunshine, we all know to be a fan boy and your opinions about football remind us of how ignorant you are about the subject. So just keep wanking off to that CR poster on your bedroom wall, and leave the serious conversations to the rest of us you mug.

Fernandez, that was disgraceful. 'nuff said.

Help, i really didn't have you down as being so myopic on the subject of Man U. I thought you could at least be objective. You sound like Phrase sometimes.

adedawson. Top post mate, and as usual calm and sensible and fair. Guys like you are too rare around here.

 

[Fernandez]

By saying that, I just lost every ounce of respect I had for you, I myself condemn people breaking other people's leg.
and how the fook did this get to Joe Cole?

Liverpool got thru, must've pissed the hell out of ya Mancs.

Oh yeah, maybe you were one of them still mourning over the loss of Mourinho until you missed the match. I wouldn't wish upon anyone to break his leg, unless that person intended to break another one's, a la Joe Cole.

Maybe Ronaldo is getting this kind of treatment because he's simply too good.

 

[adedawson]

adedawson. Top post mate, and as usual calm and sensible and fair. Guys like you are too rare around here.

Cheers m8

Maybe Ronaldo is getting this kind of treatment because he's simply too good.

of course that's why, it happens to all great players and players teams perceive as a the biggest threat or threats. To say Ronaldo gets it any more then any other 'maybe' the case but only as at the moment he is arguably one of the best in the world and you wouldn't expect anything less. We'd want the same if the roles were reversed our players to rough up Adeboyer, Drogba or KaKa for example.

At the end of the day Ronaldo will always have added attention in games, its a con to being a great player and I'd hate to see him get injured but its part of the game and as mentioned before serious injury is rare case and always will be. To insinuate wanting this aspect from the game removed would make it a truly boring one.

I take Solace in knowing that Ronaldo would get out the way if he see's rough tackles in coming, you see it every week him avoiding compromising situations and you see other people doing the same resulting them in getting knocked around a bit. The problem comes when people put in stupid tackles. Coming from behind or the side, high tackles etc those guys need punishing and rightly do.

Sometime's he gets roughed up and should get a fouls that don't get called but maybe if he hadn't cried wolf in his younger years refs wouldn't be worried about giving him a free kick, penalty etc when at the back of there mind there thinking, did he dive. All in all hes a victim of his own success and past attitudes.

 

[pede54]

As ade said, that is exactly why Ronaldo must be controlled on the pitch, because he is a major threat to the opposition. This happens to ALL good players. That's what a game of football is. Ask Rio or Vidic or even Brown. JT is a hard tackler but he has never ever, caused another player a serious injury. It's the same for all good defenders who know how to tackle properly.

Some players can't tackle well and thats a fact. Joe Cole, like Paul Scholes is not a great tackler. They are OK head on, but when tackling from behind or from the side they invariably foul their opponent. I'm sure neither of those players have it in them to intentionally break anyone's leg, and its absurd to suggest it.

 

[Help?]

Help, i really didn't have you down as being so myopic on the subject of Man U. I thought you could at least be objective. You sound like Phrase sometimes.

You call Ronaldo a crybaby and have nothing to support it. To me that sounds like all those children that never pay attention to the game except when their team has the ball and then go online and write "this and that is so crap, he sucks and this guy should just retire, (insert their team's player here) is miles better than any of them. Yeah, i'm not gonna be happy with anyone calling Ronaldo a crybaby, its unfounded, uncalled for and based solely on the fact that Ronaldo cried after he lost a EURO championship to an underdog in his own country at the age of 19, during his first ever official national competition. We moan at referees for not using common sense and yet fail to use one ourselves, that's hypocritical.

 

[pede54]

Nothing to back it up, are you serious man? He is whinging to the media about how rough it is in England, and how sorry we will be if he fu<ks off somewhere else. He needs to drop the bullsh1t and just get on with earning his money, and be a man in a mans game.

This has nothing to do with him crying at the Euro's, that was an emotional moment and we can all identify with that. This is about crying to whoever will listen, about how the poor little lad is treated so unfairly and needs special protection or he might leave your club. Thats the crying I am refering to. It was not meant literally, but I think you already knew that.

Seriously, I would be so fu<king embarrassed if a Chelsea player carried on like this prima donna does. It's just so girly, it's just so Ronaldo, and thats why all non Mancs know it's all a crock of sh1t.

 

[Help?]

Nothing to back it up, are you serious man? He is whinging to the media about how rough it is in England, and how sorry we will be if he fu<ks off somewhere else. He needs to drop the bullsh1t and just get on with earning his money, and be a man in a mans game.

This has nothing to do with him crying at the Euro's, that was an emotional moment and we can all identify with that. This is about crying to whoever will listen, about how the poor little lad is treated so unfairly and needs special protection or he might leave your club. Thats the crying I am refering to. It was not meant literally, but I think you already knew that.

Seriously, I would be so fu<king embarrassed if a Chelsea player carried on like this prima donna does. It's just so girly, it's just so Ronaldo, and thats why all non Mancs know it's all a crock of sh1t.

So again, we are back to square one where we were 2 pages ago and where i wrote a huge post about this that went unanswered. See, because you hate him you exaggerate his emotions by saying that when he talks to the media, he is whinging and then because of that you make a connection with a crybaby. How do you know he was whinging? Maybe when he made the comment he looked like a man on a mission that was about to beat the **** out of somebody? Maybe he was laughing when saying that? And yet your conscience automatically assumed that he was whinging and you probably had a picture in your mind with him crying or something when making that comment. You say that the EURO plays no part in this and yet now when everybody is talking about Ronaldo everybody says he is crying, its in their subconscience even when they are not thinking about the incident because after 2004 people started associating Ronaldo with the word crying. Before the EUROs nobody even thought about something like that when Ronaldo was talking in the media.


I'm too lazy to write that thing up again so here:

To be honest, i just fail to find anything in that article that would suggest Ronaldo is an immature crybaby? Is it the fact that he isn't happy about Distin completely tanking the **** out of him and not getting any kind of punishment for it? Or is it the part where he says that he might start playing with less skill because players don't get protected enough?

Both parts are absolutely right and i would actually like to know how you would feel if someone pulled an Eduardo on someone like Drogba or Lampard? Ronaldo is the most fouled player in the EPL, for 3-4 years we has been subject to tackles that could have easily broken his legs and many of them went unpunished, when he would go hard at somebody then it would be an immediate booking or even sending off. He got stomped into his chest this year and the guy got off unscathered like nothing happened. Is getting stomped just part of the game that all players should accept as normal? And its not just Ronaldo that's the victim, many other players have suffered as a result of potentially career-ending tackles in many different clubs with Barton leading the way in terms of attacks (even United are guilty of this, ex. Eagles).

And yet the only person i know that ever got really punished for such tackles is Roy Keane. Sure, his was 100% intentional, but that doesn't take away from the fact that we see bad tackles almost every other week and barely anything is being done, instead the FA says that they don't have the footage of the incident (which just means that they are too lazy to be bothered by this and want to go play golf already).

Ronaldo a crybaby, i beg you to differ. If anything he should be given an award for taking in all those fouls and attacks on him and still not be scared to continue with the dribbling and entertaining the crowd. Nani showed some amazing skill and talent against Arsenal a few weeks back, where in most countries people would have hailed such showing and yet in England, Nani was made as the bad guy and the fact that he entertained the crowd was bad. The crowd should have watched physical, boring, fighting game, rather than an entertaining one with all kinds of skills on show. Tell me i'm wrong.

 

[Zakov]

Oh yeah, maybe you were one of them still mourning over the loss of Mourinho until you missed the match. I wouldn't wish upon anyone to break his leg, unless that person intended to break another one's, a la Joe Cole.

Maybe Ronaldo is getting this kind of treatment because he's simply too good.

If its about the Joe Cole tackle in the Man Utd match which u guys won against 10 men, then yeah, I didn't miss it. Joe Cole is horrible tackler like Scholes, but to hope that Rooney or Vidic breaks his leg, is bollocks to me. I'd never want one of our players to get out and hurt your players, even if I don't see Ronaldo in the same light as u do.

Its not maybe, its definite thats he's getting this kind of treatment because he's too good. He said it himself in an interview(after a Boro match last season, if I'm correct), i remember, he said, "Maybe I'm too good." I'm sure u all remember that one. By saying that, unbeknowingly, he made himself an open target, and thats just unfortunate for him I'm afraid.

 

[Help?]

He was targeted and may i add publicly (as in players going to the media and blatantly saying that they might try to hurt or injure him in the game to stop him) long before that Boro game.

 

[Zakov]

He was targeted and may i add publicly (as in players going to the media and blatantly saying that they might try to hurt or injure him in the game to stop him) long before that Boro game.

Alright, maybe he was but u can't deny what he said added further to what he was facing at the time. Like I said, others have taken his comments wrongly, and thats just unfortunate for him.

 

[Help?]

No i'm not denying that, you are absolutely right.

 

[adedawson]

Seriously, I would be so fu<king embarrassed if a Chelsea player carried on like this prima donna does. It's just so girly, it's just so Ronaldo, and thats why all non Mancs know it's all a crock of sh1t.

I think you maybe taking him out of context somewhat, is this deriving from that report?

He said: "Sometimes I say that this is the best league in the world, but sometimes they don't protect the skilful players.

"After what happened to the Arsenal player (Eduardo da Silva), I am scared to do my skills.

Unbelievable

"The referee against Portsmouth was unbelievable. In the first five minutes, there were three fouls and he took no action and then he failed to give a penalty. It's difficult to play like this.

"Sometimes they just protect the defenders and I am thinking about having to change my game because it is difficult to play like that.

"Diarra did not even try to play the ball when he tackled me and he wasn't even booked. It's a joke.

"So often, there were fouls and the referee did nothing."

Its not like he says this stuff week in week out. Was said after losing A game he felt they should of won. Ronaldo's come a long way and is a great player. He said some things because he's worried and rightly so. As mentioned before he's just trying to protect himself, anyone would do the same.

Although I strongly feel he wouldn't be having these problems if he didn't used to dive around. Refs have it in the back of the head "did he dive". He's a victim of his past mistakes.

Anyway he's young people say stupid things when put under pressure, these comments aren't common place and just coming in the wake of Eduardo, wenger & fergie.

 

[Payaah]

If its about the Joe Cole tackle in the Man Utd match which u guys won against 10 men, then yeah, I didn't miss it. Joe Cole is horrible tackler like Scholes, but to hope that Rooney or Vidic breaks his leg, is bollocks to me. I'd never want one of our players to get out and hurt your players, even if I don't see Ronaldo in the same light as u do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxG6OaQUCgI

I understand he is a horrible tackler, but come on do you really think he went for the ball here?

 

[adedawson]

This topic is mute and should end every team does it even us on many occasions.

perfect example.

In the hope to change this dire subject...

Manucho

After the success of the African nations and pre cup friendlies and now scoring on his debut for Panathinaikos its looking more likely they found a real Gem.

Cant wait till next season. An added striker or 2 is just what were missing. Maybe we could get that treble next year.

The goal - Nothing too special, but he's continuing to score.

 

[1966+2006]

He was completely unmarked though it was still very well taken.
Looking forward to seeing him in a red shirt next year.

 

[Zakov]

I understand he is a horrible tackler, but come on do you really think he went for the ball here?

Its not about whether he went for the ball or not, I said I didn't wish for any of our players to hurt opposing players, its not something we should want to see in the game.

Like adedawson said, every team does it even if we don't like them doing so, so there.

About Manucho, he looks like something big for future. Hope he enjoys his stay there longer than u guys hope.

 

[MikeyM]

Manucho is looking like a promising addition. I saw Rodrigo for the reserves yesterday and I was wondering whether Rafael and Fillipe (the twins from Brazil) have joined us yet as I thought they were supposed to come over in January.


BTW: Daily Express reckon Tevez will cost £37M.

 

[Fernandez]

SAF said they have already agreed a fee much cheaper than that.