McLeish wants Old Firm in EPL...

[Daz]

You know I was at the friendly between Celtic and Fulham, and it really drove home which side deserved to be in the top league in the world. The Celtic support outnumbered the Fulham support (at Craven Cottage!) and Celtic outclassed Fulham despite the 0-0 draw. Please, don't try and argue that Celtic and Rangers are inferior to Norwich, Crystal Palace, West Brom, Southampton, or even Fulham, Portsmouth, and Blackburn (and Newcastle ). I simply think that the gap between the top, middle, and bottom of the Premiership is much, much too extreme and the addition of the Old Firm would help alleviate this problem.

As for the stupid "It's the ENGLISH Premier League!" argument, all I have to say is, AS Monaco.

that's just like saying that Juventus or Real Madrid would totally outclass Crystal Palace etc. the fact is that they are in a different country.

It's quite easy to see why Monaco has been included in the french leagues and Swansea and Cardiff in the English leagues because the countries from what they are from are absolutely tiny and basically part of the country anyway. But even though Scotland is joined with England, they are still a long distance away from alot of teams and the cost for travelling would be alot.

As i've said before, the only way that they would be let in would be to start from the bottom - like AFC Wimbledon, which would mean that they wouldn't do it. There is no way that they could just be placed in the EPL or any of the Coca-Cola divisions etc. because it would be extremely unfair on the English teams that are actually fighting in the leagues already for promotion.


Also, in football terms, England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales are considered as SEPERATE COUNTRIES.

 

[TOON ARMY]

Just how can it be implemented? Extend the premiership to 22 teams in an already very crowded season? Prevent several teams from being promoted from the Championship? Which if i might add is completely unfair on English teams.

Rangers and Celtic should look at making their own league more competitive of course they wont because they want success and not necessarily the competition for it. There is whole host of things you could do in Scotland to increase competitiveness. Wage caps, quotes on the amount of foreign players, etc would be a start.

 

[Northern Canary]

The SPL is a boring, repetitive and predictable league. I would not mind takin them in

 

[Punkt]

put the old firm plus the edinburgh sides and aberdeen in the premier league and other scottish sides in the lower leagues and unit both football leagues

 

[celtic_bhoy]

Rangers and Celtic should look at making their own league more competitive of course they wont because they want success and not necessarily the competition for it. There is whole host of things you could do in Scotland to increase competitiveness. Wage caps, quotes on the amount of foreign players, etc would be a start.

Wage Cap? yeah great idea

btw Celtic Park is 5 Star also.

 

[celtic_bhoy]

It's quite easy to see why Monaco has been included in the french leagues and Swansea and Cardiff in the English leagues because the countries from what they are from are absolutely tiny and basically part of the country anyway. But even though Scotland is joined with England, they are still a long distance away from alot of teams and the cost for travelling would be alot.

That is a pretty weak argument right there. So two countries that boarder another should be allowed to play in that countries league, while another shouldn't? Bit of a contradiction there and say there tiny, crap league etc is just a cop out. Cost of Travelling high? Haha clubs make millions in revenue and travelling to Scotland and staying one night is hardly going to blow the budget.

 

[kickin_kyle]

btw Celtic Park is 5 Star also.

no it's only a 3 or 4.

complete list of 5-star stadiums:
AOL Arena
Amsterdam ArenA
Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadyumu
Camp Nou
Ernst Happel Stadion
Estádio da Luz
Estádio do Dragão
Feijenoord Stadion
Hampden Park
Ibrox Stadium
Estádio José Alvalade
Luzhniki Stadium
Millennium Stadium
Old Trafford
Olympic Stadium (Athens)
Olympic Stadium, Munich
San Siro
Stade de France
Stadio Delle Alpi
Stadio Olimpico
Veltins-Arena

 

[celtic_bhoy]

No its 5 stars, it was 4 and then last season they rebuilt the players change room area and its now 5.

 

[jackie4]

Nope. Celtic Park DID get refurbishments to the dressing rooms but it's still not had the 5-star award from UEFA.


Just a matter of time though.

 

[mihalll]

haha. celtic arent even good enough for the SPL let alone the Premiership. last season they lost to aberdeen, hearts and hibs at home and i predict more after the fúcking shíte players they have added to there squad!!

Yeah, one of these ****e players is better than whole your league altogether.

 

[celtic_bhoy]

Nope. Celtic Park DID get refurbishments to the dressing rooms but it's still not had the 5-star award from UEFA.


Just a matter of time though.

Oh well, still better than Ipox anyway.

 

[Ulric_B]

UEFA cup 2002/2003
Celtic - Blackburn 1-0, 2-0
Celtic - Celta Vigo 1-0 1-2
Celtic - Stuttgart 3-1 2-3
Celtic - Liverpool 1-1 2-0
Celtic - Boavista 1-1 1-0

And u say they not good enough for the EPL?
Could they make those results 2003, could they do it again.

 

[Rob]

That is a pretty weak argument right there. So two countries that boarder another should be allowed to play in that countries league, while another shouldn't? Bit of a contradiction there and say there tiny, crap league etc is just a cop out. Cost of Travelling high? Haha clubs make millions in revenue and travelling to Scotland and staying one night is hardly going to blow the budget.

Teams like Cardiff and Swansea joined the English because when they were clubs, there was no Welsh league and they were invited.

Celtic and Rangers on the other hand only want to join the EPL because of money and you know it. Although the reason the Welsh teams are in England is totally justified you will most likely ignore it and talk some more bullsh*t.

If the Old Firm want to join the EPL, go through the proper avenues, ie. League Two, etc because every team that is in the EPL has earnt it (other than Arsenal, another matter )

 

[TOON ARMY]

If the Old Firm want to join the EPL, go through the proper avenues, ie. League Two, etc because every team that is in the EPL has earnt it (other than Arsenal, another matter )

Again, some poor teams in League 2 will have to loose out as they'll have to find several places for Rangers and Celtic.

The amount of foreigners the old firm take on. If that is limited we might see a more competitive SPL.

Like i said earlier Rangers and Celtic want success but not necessarily the competition to go with it!

 

[celtic_bhoy]

The amount of foreigners the old firm take on. If that is limited we might see a more competitive SPL.

Your havin a laugh eh?
Arsenal last year with 0 english players ring a bell? Chelsea? Man Utd? All very flush with English first team starters.

 

[TOON ARMY]

Exactly and the top 4 have very little competition in England.

You've echoed my point very well. A cap on foreign players would be good for England as well.

 

[celtic_bhoy]

just casualy fail to mention it first time? :boohoo:

and ive never said Of should and must move to england just im sick off tools starting a threas for no reason and going off on a senseless rant against the OF while saying there not good enough to make EPL if a move as done which is clearly a load of sh*te.

 

[TOON ARMY]

just casualy fail to mention it first time? :boohoo:

and ive never said Of should and must move to england just im sick off tools starting a threas for no reason and going off on a senseless rant against the OF while saying there not good enough to make EPL if a move as done which is clearly a load of sh*te.

Sorry, what's that in English?

 

[buba3d]

what happens if swansea or cardiff or the other welsh teams get promoted the EPL

Exactly

The reason being is cause the English mob don't want an out side teams getting share of there spoils, thats the main reason. heck just maybe in the not so near distant future we might see a british league without english teams (i'm all for that).

 

[pede54]

" a share of the spoils"....yup thats it in a nutshell.thats the one and only reason the OF wanna join,because of the money.Of course they are good enough for the Prem as are a few other Scottish teams,and its dumb to say otherwise,but they have their own league and we have ours.Thats the way it is and thats the way it should stay.Its a ridiculous idea ,man we might as well invite all the top teams from the French league as they are in a similar position to the OF.Then why not a couple of Dutch teams too? Its just stupid.England ,Scotland ,Ireland and Wales make up the British Isles,but they are seperate countries represented by their own National teams.Anyway i thought the Scots were proud of their independance as they continue to throw off the shackles of their past under English dominance.To say that a club is too big for its own country seems to belittle the Scotland that all Scots constantly inform the rest of us,is in their blood ,and its Scotland that their allegiance and loyalty is gladly given.
So the thought of a few more quid in the coffers and all that nationalism goes right out of the window.Hypocrisy is a word that comes to mind here guys.........a handful of silver..............